Let's talk about ships, man.
Do you like Stargate???
>>214843236>wings>in spaceFor what purpose?
>>214843236
>>214843467To sell more lego sets, goy
>>214843467They need to be able to cut and swim through the interstellar medium and quantum vacuum while in hyperspace
>>214843467
why was kuat so okay with sienar lifting design specs from the eta actis 2 for the tie series
>>214843432I prefer Atlantis.
>>214843518That's for atmospheric re-entry.There's no need for an interstellar fighter craft to include wings when there's no planetary atmosphere to fly through.
>>214843659Most if not all of the spacecraft in Star Wars enter and exit planetary atmospheres willy-nilly without a hinch even star destroyers and shit but not the Death Star which appears to be a mobile space station
>give me the venereal disease you got from your french whores Jack
>>214843236ww2 planes in space is for babies. At some point you have to age up a bit
anyone remember these faggots
>>214843467Nigga...
looking forward to seeing the ISV's again in the new movie
>damn gringo bridge
>>214843716The space shuttle has wings because it glides after reentry. It did not have power. The ships in star wars have wings for aesthetics only.
>>214843944You say that as if ships in Star Wars never leave space.
>>214843432Ngl that's a horrible design.
>when you are the last starfighterspace kinohttps://youtu.be/9phRRAG5vbM?si=6ZrdN2Bo6Y966mhW
>>214843432Yeah, we like Stargate!
>>214843996My cope is that it's supposed to be ugly and ungainly to show that earth hadn't mastered the technology yet, like the equivalent of WW1-era tanks.
>>214844012>mogged
>>214843236GUNSINSPACE
>>214844082problem is this is what unmastered space travel looks like not that brutalist abomination
for me its the bird of prey
>>214843793This looks so fucking lame though
>>214844164>>214843944The shuttle is not a "space ship". It's an orbiter. It flies up to orbit, lets out satellites and station parts, then comes back down. It would never fly to the moon or mars. Actual spacecraft will never be designed for such "dual-use" to repeatedly fly down gravity wells, back up, then fly across space to another gravity well, go down and back up, etc. They'll attach to mother ships that only stay in zero gravity. Star Wars was at it's most realistic when Star Destroyers couldn't go down to planets and had to carry their tie fighters and shuttles around to different systems.
>>214844288You can hear the music just looking at the model.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDm3_Sd-bJA
>>214844164Yeah, fair enough. There should have been an intermediate step between the space shuttle and the spaceborne aircraft carriers later in the show. But I guess the ugly grey brick was easier on the CGI budget.
>>214844338>"space" shuttle>flies in space>"The shuttle is not a 'space ship'"
>>214844374I refuse to accept that. I think they were going for very specific design and they got what they wanted. Why would a bumpy model be cheaper than a smooth model. Just saying.
>>214844563The sequel was overall stupid, but it had some neat human-alien hybrid tech ideas
>>214844483The Prometheus is so buttugly that I can't imagine it to be anything other than some weird compromise solution. imo the show runners made consistently good calls otherwise regarding the aesthetics of the SGC, the Gouald, etc.
>>214844662I always accepted that it was a deliberate choice to show that the SGC cobbled together a spaceship from reverse engineered technology as fast as possible, aesthetics be damned. From what I remember of SG-1 much was made of the fact that the Prometheus was a prototype with a rushed development.Doesn't excuse the follow-up ships like >>214844082 being just as ugly though.
>Battlestar Galactica rips off Star Wars>Star Wars rips off BG in returnlel
>>214844760This is where it peaked
>>214843467Because these ships also fight in atmosphere
>>214843496It worked.
>>214844856>that'll be $200+tax+30% tip for our pennies worth of plastic
>>214844869kek, trvke
>>214844869Not even an exaggeration anymoreI don't see how kids are supposed to get these anymore without rich relatives
>>214844718This looks like Babylon 5 if Babylon 5 was awful retarded shit.
>>214845061It's Call to Arms, buddy. And it led to Crusade which was pretty neat. Canceled before it could really go anywhere.
>>214845090I don't think for a second that an Earth/Centauri war would go this badly, especially after the events of the series
>>214845090Forced animation. The original Babylon 5 is the only good entry in the Babylon 5 franchise.
>>214845118Yo way yo...
>>214845190>Lost in Space did B-wings better than Star Wars
Executor my #1
>>214845118>A sci-fi show that's even hornier than FarscapeI didn't think it was possible.
Why are cruiseships now infested by negroes? This wasn't a problem 15 years ago.
>>214845244She deserved better. Lucas was just fed up in ROTJ, I guess, and one shotting his big villains because he couldn't be asked to come up with good ways for them to go out.
>>214845249That's Germans for you
>>214845847
>>214845847Who made this and for what purpose?
>>214844082That one is pretty cool though.
>>214843236>Let's talk about ships, man.
>>214847205>ThunderbirdsNow that's the good shit. I miss the days when people could believe that an aircraft like TB2 could work just because it had an "atomic" power source.Supposedly TB1 was based on some obscure MiG prototype for a vertical takeoff/horizontal flight interceptor that never saw the light of day.
>>214847483I love it.
>>214844164>that thin layer of atmosphereWe really are doomed...
>>214847793why aren't jeets and chinamen being held accountable?
>>214843236why all Starslop ships have turboprop air intakes?
>>214844760based beyond belief
>>214848284
>>214848305
>>214848361
>>214848392
For me its the Arc-170
>>214848076gonna have to watch this again
>>214848098James Cameron hired Syd Mead to work on Aliens. Cameron told Mead to design the Sulaco, pic related is what Syd designed. Cameron was not happy. Cameron told him it should look like a rifle.
>>214844310Bold words for someone who started thread with Star Wars
>>214848542I think Cameron made the right call. The Sulaco shape is iconic and unique. And the "rifle" thing really just hinges on the "handle" which is just a radar/signal antennae. It could easily be on the top or side. That same sort of protrusion is on most spaceship designs really. Only disappointing thing is not seeing the Sulaco actually use its weaponry.
>>214848429
Amaxine Station my beloved
>>214844869You're not paying for the plastic, you're paying for the Star Wars brand.
I like the take on FTL
>>214848922
>>214843467Would streamlining not provide any benefit whatsoever even for travelling at high speeds? I haven't really put a lot of thought into this subject.
>>214850575On the off chance you have to make rough planet fall fucking SOMEWHERE, you'd want a bit of streamlining. This take that space ships need to only function in space is baffling because it completely rejects the possibility of things going wrong and the utility of being able to function within dense atmo if the need arose.
>>214850688If you rearrange the letters in Excelsior then it spells out Genuine Class.
>>214844760Always liked the organic look of the alien ships in that shit
The Roci.MCRN ships in general are kino.
>>214844688TMP era ships are the best designs. Second place goes to Picard season 3 designs (fleshed out by STO) and third place goes to STO designs.
>>214850972
>>214851158
>>214851017MCRN should have dominated with so many Roci ships in their fleet
>>214852812
>>214852864
>>214843659Star Wars ships fly across planets with atmospheres all the time, sequelfag. You leftshits really cannot meme at all.
>>214843467Most of the time they are radiators rather than used for atmospheric lift.
>>214853108
>>214853213
>>214853213> this one's for you, WinslowBest dogfight ever.
>>214853249>name your enemy the Chiggershow'd they get away with it?
>>214853151Or to get a wider array to spread weapons or thrusters out on, depending on the craft. 14 year olds who just discovered there is no air in space and think they are delivering a withering critique by bringing it up are worth ignoring.
>>214853322Don't fucking start, /pol/.
>>214843793Had to quit watching that garbage
I'm a sucker for most Star Trek Federation ship designs, but the Akira class is my baby. She's my main in Star Trek Online. Fast, agile, loaded to the gills with torpedo launchers. When you must destroy absolutely every single ship in the quadrant, you send in the Akira.
>>214853322it was a better time>>214853357scared, riddit?
>>214853569it is one of the best compact designs after the Miranda classnever was even a bit miffed that they basically stole it for the Enterprise NX
Halo concept art is so elite
>>214854117
>>214843467of course functionally useless unless you hang things from them or want to look cool
>>214850575If it's primarily or exclusively for use outside of atmosphere, no. None whatsoever, in fact it would create some problems for component packing, micrometeoroid mitigation and temperature control. Until we have something like forcefield tech to replace whipple shields and those honeycomb looking debris redirection arrays, anything going into space long term is going to trend toward being pretty boxy or cylindrical. Going out of your way to use compound curves is going to generally be avoided anywhere but maybe on reentry craft from stable orbit.
>>214854183>>214843467>functionally uselessnigga they can be used as radiatorsthere is no atmosphere in space so it's very hard to shed heat and radiating it away is very slow so it needs big surface>>214845249>>214843657nice, very gigeresque & lovecraftian
>>214854183>want to look coolIt only looks cool to children. Once you actually learn anything about real physics and space travel, realistic space craft can look very cool. And stuff like wings and "machine guns to shoot in a dogfight in visual range" just become eye rolling
>>214854395>dogfight
>>214854395>It only looks cool to children. Once you actually learn anything about real physics and space travel, realistic space craft can look very cool. And stuff like wings and "machine guns to shoot in a dogfight in visual range" just become eye rolling
KINO KINO KINO KINO
>>214854986>steal enormous tome of ideas and scripts from scifi author>it has a neat small starship they introduce mid-way through to combat the new enemy>suddenly star trek introduces a new small starship mid-way through to combat the new enemy!>we have such great Original Ideas® guys! Bonuses all around!
>>214855148You ever wonder if the reason Babylon 5 has such a small fanbase is that the dedicated superfans won't stop being annoying whiners?You can enjoy both shows. Green and Purple can live in peace and harmony.
>>214855148 That looks like shit.
>>214843858That makes no sense on at least 8 levels.
>>214855394It makes perfect sense. People way smarter than you came up with it. You're pretty dumb, bro, so you may want to think about it a bit before expressing more dumb thoughts.
>>214855458
>>214855484
>>214855506
>>214854395I doff my cap to you good sir
>>214845105Centari are still more powerful than the ombined league plue earth.It's only having the mimbari on their side + their technology e.g. the Whitestars that they were able to beat them
>>214855446This is what is called projecting.I assume you do it a lot.
>>214849087Babylon 5 did it first.
>>214847352>5>4>3>2>1>THUNDERBIRDS ARE GOKino. The whole series is up on YouTube these days too.
>>214854380>very gigeresque & lovecraftianShut the fuck up midwit.
>>214852032The Tachi was a brand new top of the line ship for its class and size at the start of the series, it's why it was on the MCRN's biggest and most powerful ship (and flagship).Thing is, Mars threw everything they had into building better ships, but they never had enough to take on Earth's monstrous fleet. It's why when the war broke out, they managed to drop the advantage from 5:1 to 3:1 but were already at their limit.
>>214843472It's sad because I went on carnival cruises in the early 2000s and it was actually pretty nice. Still had one of the best meals I ever had on the Carnival Legend in 2003 at the specialty upcharge restaurant. Idk why they made a conscious effort to lower prices and advertise to blacks
>ships are intentionally designed impractically as part of the point of the setting
>>214845105it very well wouldShadows chose them for a good reason Cantauri have been at this for much longer than anybody but the Minbar,it's a small wonder that the Humans caught up so quickly to be even any way near to parity
>>214844288
Ships should be made to spin
>>214844952>kids
>>214855458>>214855506>>214855529wouldn't be surprised if his Dune didn't get made because all the shitty spaceship and costume design>let's make Dune... but let's make it as a gay parade!>>214856017get back in the sewer, kafka
>>214856844This post is very kafka-esque
>>214856520>propelled by eight Tycho EDT G-4000 Series Epstein Driveswhat did they mean by this
>>214856678>MANDRProductionsDidn't think anybody here knew or cared about him.
>>214857216
>>214845358Its a Buncha Muncha Cruncha Human!
>Millions of toys and models sold of designs they made>All the money went to GeorgeIts gotta fucking suck for these guys
>>214843793>DUDE BUT SPACE BATTLES SHOULD BE LAME AND BORING! I KNOW BECAUSE ANOTHER NERD SAID SO !!!! >YEA HE DOESNT KNOW WHAT SPACE BATTLES WOULD REALLY LOOK LIKE SINCE IT DOESNT EVEN EXIST YET BUT HE LOOKED AT THE LE SCIENCE UNLIKE YOU CHUDS!!!!
>>214843659You've never seen star wars, huh?>>214843716
>>214857828I love seeing Neptune in this movie. They really make it eerie
>>214845244
>>214854380There's no way those wings would radiate a meaningful amount of heat in space.
>>214858166What, did (((SCIENCE))) tell you that? Bet you don't believe in ship-eating space worms either!
>>214857991>funnythat's pretty much how it would go down on retardedly big ships like thatthe SSD was already too big
>>214854986>introduce super ship>even add cloaking>immediately turn its tech over to the Dominionsigh. At least give it a spin around the block ripping them up. What was the point, writers, if you didn't want an immediate challenge to the Dominion? Why bother?
>>214857617>>214857642>ethno SFX crewno wonder all these old flics still hold upthe craftsmanship is literally visible in their eyes
>>214857991They tried!
>>214849133>the only poster ITT who isn't a flaming homosexual is a disgusting furry
>>214854130this is bitchin'reminds me of that dude who made the Half Life 2 vehicle concept art, although he mostly does cars
>>214857642The biggest model of the Discovery in 2001 was 54 feet long. I wish there was some photos of it with special effects crew like that Starship Troopers picture.
>>214854395>realistic space craft can look very coolborg spheres and planet-looking blobs?eh, I guess
>>214858834I mean borg cubesdampic unrelated
>>214848429>>214848392>>214848361>>214848305>>214848284Such a unique visual style. Toriyama was a master.
>>214843432Genuinely shit design. >>214843467Wings make sense on a space ship if that space ship also flies in the atmosphere. You know, like the Space Shuttle did?
>>214843793Even these fights made no sense because the authors didn't know how space battles would work. If you are in a space ship, and another space ship is chasing you, just eject canisters of diamond shrapnel chaff in your wake. The velocities involved will shred any possible armor, and it's unjammable.
>>214852812based
>>214844760I want to believe its kino but the boosters would rip the fuselage in half really fast
>>214859171you might enjoy pic rel :3
>>214859320What if it's made from unrippablenium?
>>214845061So it looks like Babylon 5
ok so is there any space ship that doesn't look like>cube>sphere>slipper>gun>antenna hedgehog>donut??
>>214860715>nazi empire to the rescuedam son
>>214860615
Are Star Wars and Star Trek the only scifi franchises that have good looking ship designs?
>>214861182indeed I forgot>cigarthe original UFOall of those are slippers though except the two fish looking ones (left middle, and middle middle) which I love
>>214843236It only showed up for half a second in the background of ROTS but I love this little retard rocket ship>>214844869Even when I was a kid in the late 2,000’s/early tens lego shit was expensive as hell, God kid me used to seethe like a son of a bitch about it
>somehow davy jones returned, time traveling from the caribbean future to be a space pirate king
>>214847345Unfortunately, this. We all gonna get rekt real soon.
>>214862121did he find his locker?
>>214843467What do you think is beyond the firmament, retard?Have you even read the Bible? You need to watch more Charls Carrol. There's oceans above and below, below our oceans.
>>214859241My dad read a book and the space battles were something like they shot giant sand cannons at each other.
>>214844164>IRL space travel is marred by retard faggot politicians who don't do real work so they pretend they're helping the American people by "saving them money" by making a "reusable" spaceshipI can only assume he's burning in hell for stealing our time like that.
>>214844349I watched the webm in >>214856478 and it disappeared when the drums hit.I've never seen the movie but it was a thrilling moment. I doubt that's how it lines up in the movie but it should have.
>>214862444He got blown up by Reed Richards and Starbuck.
>>214844349I just realized this is almost certainly 100% the inspiration for Ridley's lair theme.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9j0oinD6xE
>>214862614so the locker is still out there? or what?
>>214861376Stargate?
>>214844608They forgot to upscale those ps2 textures on the blue circle things.
>>214844760>Our space ships are the armor of a giant alien raceI think that's how it goes, right? I've only played the gamecube game...>>214859984lmao
>>214862634Somewhere.
>>214862687>be an upscaler drone>asked to do your job>FUCK YOU MAN I AM GOD>get ejected straight into begging on the street corner unless skillful enough at dicksuck and asslick to land a job at ubisofttheir work still got processed though
>>214862729oh no not the cosmic iphone
>>214845217This is the only spaceship in any media that I've seen that moves in such a way that the pilot has to move and experience as minimal g-forces as possible.Pretty cool.
>>214845217>>214862775>we shoot each other down>but we also comfybased
i like the TNG philosophy for spaceship interiorsif you're flying around in a highly advanced machine that can comfortably hold hundreds of people for extended journeys, and the fights you occasionally get into involve weapons that could destroy planets, then you might as well eschew all illusions of the benefits of outfitting everything with brutalist utilitarianism or the kind of spartan, military, submarine-esque aesthetic that other, gayer, trek shows have gone for just make it comfy, make it carpeted, make it look clean and neutral and like a nice place to idle away time in. i too feel like you'd make more rational decisions if you were in an environment that looks like an upscale hotel lobby than if you were in one that looks like the inside of a grungy all-metal shit box
>>214845358It's a good thing I didn't randomly see that fucking episode on vacation that one year.Jesus.
Guess the movie this ship is from
>>214862841Pretty obvious.
>>214862804>TNG>can comfortably hold hundredsanon it probably had like 35k hostages for a 2k crew
>>214862841
>>214849087Holy shit, every shmup I've ever played starts like this.
>>214862900>we have the star destroyer corellian corvette at home
>>214862901i know what you are saying but still prefer gigeresque vertical shmups like rtype
>>214862898what do you mean "35k hostages"and the actual crew size i'm pretty sure was usually like 900 to 1100, maybe around 1300 at most
/lit/ anyone?
>>214863046>what do you mean "35k hostages"well what use did all those people in the saucer serve? decoration?>>214863049can neither confirm nor deny
>>214863049>uterusDoes that mean I can fuck the asteroid?
>>214862898>>214862804>Length: 641 meters>Beam: 473 meters>Height: 133 meters>Decks: 42>Crew complement: 1,000-6,000 (normal complement depending on assignment); 15,000 (maximum capacity)TNG ships were big fuckers, that's about 2x the length of a Ford-class aircraft carrier.
>>214844338>The shuttle is not a "space ship".Retard
>>214863124if crew includes stuff like medics and plumbers and shit, with an average 3000, that would imply at least 15.000 goy, right? 15000 adults x 2.5 to account for children and elders is almost 40kso you could have left it at 35 and saved some people :3
>>214863092the enterprise in picard's time and the TNG era is a research, exploration, and diplomatic vessel that handles rescues, trades, first contact and negotiations, they do all sorts of shit so they need all sorts of people. it's also a BIG ship, and it needs maintenance. think, if some towns throughout the world function in populations as small as 30 or less, a population of a little over a thousand - a lot of them having brought their families along - could do with a barber, a dentist, several doctors, a bar, several places to hang out and relax when you aren't working, security to protect all those people and enforce the rules and procedures, people to clean, people to maintain ship systems, people to respond to emergencies specifically and are trained in dangerous EVA operations, people who categorize and research the weird shit they find on planets with alien fauna or flora, people who watch the bridge for the other shifts, people who do the jobs of ALL the prior stated jobs with the first rotation of people are sleeping or otherwise not working. the list goes on and on and on. you need rooms for all those people, storage, recreational spaces, eating areas, emergency facilities, a medbay, a bridge and battle bridge, an engineering section, a hangar bay, a brig, spare rooms for guests or diplomats, science labs, places to educate and keep children, a nursery for babies, probably some kind of kennel for any pets onboard, again, the list goes onif anything i always thought the enterprise was like 30% too small
>>214863049/mu/ has some spaceship action too
test
>>214862804A good bit would be showing people vacuuming while they were doing stuff like commanding the bridge.
>>214863124it's big on paper but in actually most of the ship is unlivable and unusable art-deco super structure in big, thin, swooping arcs that would make for entirely unfeasible spaces to get any kind of work done or to sleep in, let alone raise a family and keep up on your 24/7 starfleet career
>>214863124They really didn't account for the sheer volume that ship has in relation to the crew compliment.
>>214862944Rtype is horizontal...I love Rtype though and the intro to Rtype 3 where the camera zooms out of the engine core is fucking kino.Greatest select your weapon music of all time too.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiHLh4wDs5Q
>>214863327that scale cannot be right, there's a shot somewhere in season 1 or something of TNG where they're docked and picard looks out of the window at the enterprise and it's maybe half this size at best
>>214863119If I remember right, you can fuck something in there.You Passengers with Jennifer Lawrence?This book has lots of those sleeping people. They're all specialists that they wake up every hundred or thousand years to do something the ship can't handle.
>>214863327Its a huge ship but a lot of its interior volume would be taken up by machinery
>>214863371Here's how the crew scale was shown in Generations.
>>214855361Yeah, I was never a fan of the White Stars either. I find the designs of pretty much every other race in B5 preferrable.>we need a badass warship for our heroes!>so let's make something that looks flimsy as fuck with a white-purple color scheme, y'know, like a misshapen china cupMeanwhile the human's "outdated" ship design is a steam locomotive pulling 500k tons of FUCK YOU
>>214863371Anon in >>214863124is giving the official numbers but those won't necessarily match with what's on the TV screen. It was the same for TOS era (actual ship was much bigger internally than externally), Enterprise, and Strange New Worlds.
>>214863524that one looks a lot smaller than the first picture of the 3D render, but ironically i think the 3D render is actually the size it SHOULD be
>>214863556White Stars were built by Minbari with help from Vorlons, so it makes sense it would draw from those two for theme.
>>214863556For me it's the Hyperion.
>>214863587I know, and I like the Vorlon ship designs and I think the regular Minbari ship designs are... okay. But the White Stars just look so lame in comparison to either of those, and especially lame in comparison to the human and centauri ships.
>>214863251>wall of textI'd love to read it but star trek fatigue just makes me avoid itthank you for the effort though
I always liked this little guy.For me, it's triangles.
>>214863463Why is there a Porsche, a huge duck, and a DC-3 on the upper level
>>214863730>a Porsche, a huge duck, and a DC-3 on the upper levelcan, I, like, get those separately from the starship enterprise?who would want more?who, I dare ask you?
>>214863801I'd like a Ferrari but not without a huge duck and a DC3
>>214863730 Q put those there because he thought it would be funny
>>214863716I wish triangles were real...
>>214863863>likes triangles>posts trapezoidyou might not like it but u have a future anon :3
>>214863863Be sure to invest in Saab for their upcoming starfighter projects.
>>214863463Have had a framed poster of this for quite a while, it predates Generations since it still uses the original Excelsior model for the 1701-B in the ship history.
