Sentry guns are always kinoAlways
I think there was a director's commentary track that said he deleted the scene because it slowed down the pacing too much when he wanted the tension to start ramping up
why would xenomorphg 'human wave assault' the guns down a narrow kill zone tunnel, they should have retreated straight away. would have been better if they let them walk right up to guns and then gave fire permission to guns .
>>214849099beyond retarded
The M-56 smart guns and the sentry guns built for the movie were designed around German MG 42 machine guns (most recognizable on the smart guns where the MG 42's characteristic recoil booster muzzle is clearly visible). The gun is mounted on a heavily modified steadicam harness - the MG 42 alone (without the additional cosmetic dressing and ammunition) weighs in at about 25 pounds.
Maybe because the sentry gun scenes added absolutely nothing and didn't change anything
>>214849030I don't mind at all. The added scenes made watching Aliens a second time kino as fuck. The colony scenes were the perfect "prequel": not too much, not pretending it was some epic story with fascinating characters, just showing off the colony and residents until the chaos started. The sentry guns were so cool. More badass Marine tech. And demonstrated the Xenos didn't know everything, but could learn very fast and adapt. As soon as they figured out these were just mindless robots and it was worthless to attack them, the Xenos went around and raped the Marine's anuses.
>>214849030Because the scene exists to make the xenos look smart because they eventually stop attacking but in reality it makes the xeno dumb as shit because they threw like 50 bodies at it before realizing that they probably should go a different way. Any animal on the planet would run at the sound of gunfire but not Xeno! They so smart!
>>214849725they added a whole lot and changed a whole lot though
>>214849099The movie actually makes less sense thanks to the guns being removed because the first sentry scene includes a moment where the team actually hears the aliens breaking down the pressure door and entering the complex.The actual reason is that the scene (and the other scenes cut from the special edition) increased the show's runtime by too much, and producers calculated that this would add up over time and possibly cause one less showing at movie theaters per week. It had very little to do with pacing and buildup and these justifications were made much later; scenes had to be cut regardless to meet the studio's runtime requirements and Cameron determined the sentry scenes being removed would be the least damaging to the movie.
>>214849648thanks chatcan I cook a hotdog using only sunlight
>>214849725They were cool you retard
>>214849748The colony was cool because it showed that Yutani was not a slave company. The people at the colony were actual scientists that wanted to be their. In Romulus they turn Yutani into a meme forced servitude crap and its shit.
>>214849837I've heard people disliking the colony scenes because they spoiled what to expect when the marines arrive. I agree but having the scene is worth the spoil. I see no cons in the Director's cut.
>>214849807IMDB trivia section actually
>>214849913I love them. I guess keeping it hidden for a second watch does heighten the first viewing and make the second viewing even more enjoyable.
>>214849030Makes the xenos look stupid.The sentry guns were like a bug zapper.
>>214850567Not at all. It makes you look stupid to suggest that though.
>>214849913The editing for the extended edition scene with hudson's speech in the apc/dropship is broken because hicks is shown to be asleep, then during the extra scene with hudson he is wide awake in the back, and then he is back to being asleep. Legit unwatchable.
>>214849030Pacing. Just like the scenes with Ripley's daughter that are there to give her motivation she doesn't need, the sentry gun scenes just didn't add much.
>>214849030I’ve seen both versions and when I was a kid, I just age. Watched the special edition, which kinda messed me up, because there was parts i remembered seeing but didn’t see when rewatching it, making me think it was an edited version. I’m also trans if that matters.
After watching the SE(which I first saw back in the early 90s when it was shown on tv) I watched the theatrical again and it seemed too choppy now I know what is missing. I now always watch the SE.Not so for Alien where none of extra scenes are really necessary, although the egg morphing scene is cool.
>>214851832She does need it. There's a reason she gives such a shit about a random little girl completely unrelated to her. Why she'd rather sacrifice her life descending into the depths of hell to die trying to save her instead of saying fuck it, we can't save that girl and flying to safety like she could have. You're an imbecile if you couldn't understand such a simple thing.
>>214849030a spy sapped them
>Be Burke, the "bad" guy>made a bunch of bad calls and try to cover it up so you can still come out on top>it all goes to shit, everyone hates you, you have to run off on your own>get captured by the aliens and impregnated>still not such an evil person that Ripley won't take pity on you and gives you a grenade to suicide with
>>214849030This scene is crucial because it further establishes the baseline level of technology in the alien setting. Alien/Aliens work because they don't have this uberadvanced nanobot hover hologram future technology. The technology of their future, which advanced to the 70s/80s is very primitive when looking at it now. But it's also critical to be that way. Equipment is bulky and heavy. Cameras suck. They don't have miniature AI controlled drones with 3D mapping technology, super HD Cameras, and infinite battery life to fly everywhere. The technology available is super important as it defines what can and does happen in the movie. This is something later directors still do not understand.
>>214852501You don't understand what I said. Have you seen the theatrical cut? Ripley's maternal protectiveness of Newt is a consequence of the situation they're in. Her bond to Newt develops naturally and enhances her character, giving her a maternal instinct we haven't seen before. The director's cut undermines this. Instead of Ripley risking her life to save a child, she's merely rescuing a replacement daughter. It weakens her character by making her less altruistic. The theatrical version works better.
>>214849773>>214850567why should the xenos be super smart?
>>214852597>bad callOn top of all the shit he did, he also made it personal for Ripley.Ripley asked Van Leuwen to just go investigate the coordinates on LV-426 and he shut her down. Burke then demonstrated that he had the power to just do that all along, which would not only have saved roughly 200 lives but would have immensely helped Ripley out of her legal predicament
>>214853729The scene of Ripley showing off her construction skills made me cringe even as a kid
>>214853860>The director's cut undermines this.THANK YOU LORD JESUSS
>>214853906you were a dumb kid because that was kinl
>>214853729>This is something later directors still do not understand.you mean ridley??
>>214849648Smart guns? So do these guns give the user aim assist or aimbot? Which is it?
Footage of a IRL sentry gun in action on Israel-Gaza border for sentry gun enthusiasts.
>>214853895because the one in the first movie was clever enough to hide and ambush repeatedly.
>>214856015>IDFSeems like overkill for women and children.
>>214849030>>214849099Cameron was given a non-negotiable mandate to cut down the run time. The turret scene is great but not crucial to the plot. But at the same time it also has the best throwaway line in the entire series and perhaps in all of cinema. >"Well maybe we got'em demoralized."
>>214849725Yes, they did add something quite important.Not that zoomers would understand, though.How many xenos are actually on the colony? Did a bunch die already? Maybe they killed most of them when the marines were retreating? How bad do the xenos want to catch the remaining humans? Do the xenos care if a bunch of their buddies die? Are they going to stop coming if it is guaranteed death? Can they be reasoned with? All of these questions and more are answered with that one scene.
>>214856291It's crucial to the lore, back when such things mattered. It's almost the only Marine equipment to actually be used in the movie aside from personal weapons and transport vehicles.
>>214856344You just blew zoomie minds with this one. They'll likely respond angrily with little consideration and hurt themselves in their confusion. They think movies can't possibly be this complex and thought through in advance!
>>214856164not him but you literally see them with guns
>>214849748Nah, the scene with Newt and her family was perfect for what it was. It was important.It showed us that the colony was unsuspecting of any possible contamination, bacterial or alien, they were comfortable there.It showed us that the air had been made breathable, so the worry of rupturing a colony seal and allowing poisonous air into the colony was not an issue.It showed that SOMEONE in the Ripley interrogation fact finding scene was at least listening to Ripley, for fucking once, even if they were not fully believing her.It showed us Newt, and her family, and that the kids were allowed to run all over the colony.It also made us think that we might be following the colony's encounter with the xenos, not Ripley.
>>214851832Ripley tells the Marines after the ambush that they can't help Apone and Dietrich because they are getting cocooned right now even if they are still alive.But, adding in the scene about her daughter was needed so that you can understand her motivation for going back to save the girl.
>>214856617I wish Ripley had had a little black son, so she'd have gone back in to save Apone.
>>214856690kek
>>214853895That's the entire point. The humans keep underestimating and thinking they are simply dealing with dumb animals. And they always fuck around and find out. Because "fuck around and find out" is literally the entire point of the alien franchise.
>>214853906>"Where do you want it.">".....Bay 12 please."This is something TLJ shills still do not understand to this very day. And why TLJ writing is second year, not even senior year film school tier. You need to introduce the solution BEFORE the problem. Not after. Not out of the middle of the crack of your ass afterwards like 11 year olds do when playing shoot'em up in the backyard.
>>214853906They literally explained that Ripley couldn't find any work in her previous job field and all she could do was run loaders to make rent. She says she feels useless on the ship and suggests she can run the loader there too. You were a stupid kid.
>>214853729I like that Romulus went back to retro future tech. Too bad the movie goes off the rails with the in your face tounge and cheek memberberries towards the end instead of the entire movie simply playing it straight.The movie was sooooo close then drops the spaghetti with in your face callbacks at the end. I wonder if it was the director or studio mandated that decided it.
>>214857618A lot of reactors misunderstand why Apone and Hicks are chuckling at Ripley in that scene.It's a military joke, and it ties in even back into the first movie. Ripley is a flight warrant officer. That's why she was bitching at Lambert, the astronavigator, in Alien. "That's not our system...."She wanted Lambert to stop fucking around and tell them where they were because Lambert was lazy. Being that Hicks and Apone knew she was a flight warrant, and since time began, flight warrants have always hidden from any manual labor of any sort until the last damn minute and EVERYTHING better be perfect the moment they arrive to do anything, it was highly unusual to see someone of Ripley's rank pitch in and help with the grunts rather than suck down coffee in the mess with LT Gorman and Burke until the dropship was made ready.
>>214849030How many SFM's do I have where Ripley has sex with the Alien so you say? Well more than one I can tell you that.
