I just watched all 18 episodes of Twin Peaks: The Return. Shit was cash.Now where can I go to find a good explanation of what the fuck even happened in this show?
>>214913197it was all an allegory for david lynch supporting AI
>>214913197bro, The Return is peak Lynch. It’s not meant to “make sense” in the TV recap kind of way, it’s a cosmic Rorschach test. You’ve got gnostic vibes, kabbalistic overtones, Jungian dream logic, all mashed into one. Half the fun is realizing there isn’t a single key that unlocks it.I am in love with this movie.yes, you need to see all the 18 episodes in a row, while on shrooms and lsd, thats the only way.
>>214913259btw, I did it like that, not larpingthats the only way, the way the master, the genius, David Lynch wanted us to receive this gift
The ONLY acceptable synopsis is here.Yes, it's long. No, it's not boring or drawn-out. No, it's not perfect nor does it claim to be. But no one, and I mean no one, comes anywhere near to cracking the code like this guy. I've since added a few of my own theories and corrections, but most if not all is credit to Twin Perfect and his formulaic approach to this topic.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AYnF5hOhuM
>>214913197>Now where can I go to find a good explanation of what the fuck even happened in this show?Inwards.
>>214913197The scream at the end was a.pretty good scream, you don't see many of those these days.
>>214913345She's one of the all-time greats in this regard. Not enough is made of her acting either. While her lines are minimal, she can display emotion with the best of them. You not only see, but feel the suffering of Laura.
>>214913325I’ve watched almost every vid on this shit, including that one, and honestly they’re garbage. Zero sense.Nobody’s actually breaking down the symbolism in both the original series and The Return. That’s the only way to even begin to get it.Take Laura’s gesture in the final ep of the OG run, hands raised up. Everyone knows it. That’s fire symbolism. But not like “lol campfire.” It’s the meditative fire, inner heat. Those 25 years that pass? That’s a meditative state.It’s messy as hell to explain in a post, but that’s your starting point: Laura’s gesture = meditation. From there you can dig into the rest.
>>214913197Get an ouija board and ask lynch yourself.
>>214913345If you line up the scream at the end of Fire Walk With Me with the one at the end of The Return, it’s the exact same audio. Why? Because it’s the same moment. The ending of The Return doesn’t “move past” anything, it folds back into that original scream.That’s the loop. That’s why it’s called “The Return.” Cooper never actually saves her(we all know that), he just keeps her locked in the same closed circuit. Every time he steps in, he fucks it up worse. The real move for Cooper isn’t to intervene at all. That’s the whole point, his compulsion to “fix” is what traps them there.
>>214913325Quality bait.
>>214913417It's one thing to take a different path or message from the show, but to say TP's breakdown is "garbage" is too far. He does in fact leave out some of the more esoteric stuff, but his synopsis is still sound regarding the topics he covered.
>>214913417When I say meditation I don’t mean the stereotypical “empty your head” eastern shit, just sitting blank and doing nothing. That’s not it. What it points to is an active meditation, which is exactly what Lynch was teaching. Not spacing out, but meditatio in the Latin sense, going inward, to think, toward the problem, toward the fire, to search for solutions.That’s the type of meditation we’re talking about here.
>>214913533>He does in fact leave out some of the more esoteric stuffSo, the most meaningful parts of it. I haven't watched the video, but any "explanation" that avoids the esoteric is worthless. If you want a clean synopsis of the plot, you're watching the wrong show. The story isn't even really that hard to follow when you look past the more symbolic aspects. But if you ignore the symbolic aspect entirely, you're missing out on what makes the show great.
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>>214913533Yeah, yeah, I know, my bad, I get a bit cult-ish about this stuff. The vid’s not actually bad, is pretty good, I watched the whole thing, and he does have some interesting ideas. What he says lines up, sure, but not because he’s “right”, it’s because the symbolism in the series is so damn universal that almost any read can click. At the core it’s about the soul’s journey, how it’s trapped in the cycle of reincarnation, and the real “battle” is not good vs evil in some comic book sense, but the choices we make between them.That’s why Cooper, even when he thinks he’s acting for good, ends up lost, because he lacks knowledge. And that hand gesture, that fire? That’s tied to knowledge, to meditation. But not passive meditation, through it you reach gnosis, da’at, that deeper knowing. So yeah, maybe the video’s theories are just one layer, maybe there are two or three stacked explanations, doesn’t have to be only one. I was harsh calling it trash, honestly, it’s a solid interpretation within its scope.
>>214913608he doesn't ignore the symbolism nor the esoterica entirelyin fact he does better than most regarding them bothmy lone critique is that he doesnt zoom out quite enough regarding those subjectsbut he still gets into Lynch's philosophy among other things and does quite well (better than anyone else with a popular video on the topic)not calling his conclusions gospel, just that it's the best approach i've ever seen and the formula not only checks out but is applicable regarding other hypothesis
>>214913197Nothing happened and nothing needs to be explained and that’s why we as a board love it so. HHEEELLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>214913197https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktEzqafTCds
>>214913197My take is that the central mystery in The Return is about Sarah Palmer and her role in the whole Leland/ Laura abuse dynamic.If BOB can be considered "the evil that men do" than Judy is kind of like "the evil that women do" or "the evil that mothers do". It's an intrinsically unknowable and passive kind of evil, one that exists inside an abusive family dynamic, that is either ignorant of or abets the abuse that is going on; we never really know whether Sarah is or isn't aware of what's going on, and that question is part of the whole mystery.Bob is ultimately defeated by the English mong with a hulk hand because violent male behaviour is obvious and overt, and can be challenged head on with power, but everything about Judy and its power is mysterious.It may not even be just about Sarah's role in the abuse, but rather the intense shame and loneliness that develops in her after surviving both of them after 25 years.This is just my opinion and I've never seen anyone else say similar stuff, so take it with a grain of salt. I think there's a lot in the show tying Judy and related stuff (maybe they're even the same things) like the thing inside Sarah and The Experiment to a kind of passive female/ relationship evil.
>>214914343Sarah is definitely the most cursed person in the Twin Peaks universe. Too much pain and sorrow in one character.I'm pretty sure Judy was possessing Sarah. Lauras house was where Mr.C was going before the Giant diverted him to the sheriffs station and we know that he wanted to find Judy. Judy was likely always inhabiting Lauras home. It haunted Sarah much like Bob had always haunted Leland. They're two broken people haunted by pure evil and they still were blessed with Laura. I think its fitting that Laura was ultimately crucial in defeating both Bob and Judy. That's why i believe that the ending showed: Judy being defeated. Everything points to Judy attempting to hide itself from Laura in the fake dimension and it was Coopers mission to bring her to Judy. I dont really believe in the ending being bad because I dont think that makes thematic sense. It seems gratuitous to make a bad ending. I also dont like the eternal cycle theory because to me it seems like a cop out and it cheapens the whole thing and dooms Laura and i dont think that was what Lynch was going for.
>>214913197It's about the feelingIt's all about the feeling
>>214913197Any explanation you read will be wrong, because it's not your own.
>>214915200>I'm pretty sure Judy was possessing SarahMy take too, I'm also assuming that Sarah is the girl from the 50s flashback who had that disgusting creature climb into her mouth, and the boy she's with is Bob. That or the girl from the 50's is just a temporary physical vessel for Judy (much like Phillip Gerard was for Bob) and the idea in showing that was just to show Judy and Bob before they were Judy and Bob, if that makes sense, and the way that those two are linked.>Judy was likely always inhabiting Lauras homeMore like it was always inhabiting Sarah imo, but I agree there's a connection to the home and that ceiling fan too.>That's why i believe that the ending showed: Judy being defeated. Everything points to Judy attempting to hide itself from Laura in the fake dimension and it was Coopers mission to bring her to Judy. I got the feeling more that the fake dimension was one without Judy, that was why Sarah Palmer/ Judy starts stabbing that portrait of Laura, because she got away. Laura screaming potentially lures Judy back to her and lets her capture Laura again, that fake reality (where Judy doesn't exist) falls apart as Laura feels fear and remembers her.Kind of like how Bob feeds off the pains and sorrow of people, Judy/ Sarah was interested in capturing Laura and making sure she died, so again you can see from that Judy/ Sarah was some kind of manifestation of Laura's suffering and demise and Sarah's role in the whole thing.>I dont really believe in the ending being bad because I dont think that makes thematic senseIt does to me, I think Cooper was ultimately probing some kind of deep dark evil that was way beyond his control. Just like the end of Twin Peaks S2 led to him getting trapped in the lodge for 25 years, the ending of The Return led to him getting stuck in some kind of even worse fate, likely trapped in non-existence akin to what happened to Phillip Jeffrey.
>>214915227Every scene with the Mitchum Bros was pure kino.
>>214913417>I must rest and meditate on what I have learnedn’wah
>>214917165The scene where they're eating cherry pie in the restaurant and the jackpots lady comes over to tell them how Dougie turned her life around and how she's talking to her son again was when I knew The Return was kino
>>214913417Pretty retarded take as like 90% of any kind of dream sequence or surreal happening in a Lynch media is just shit he's dreamed up the night before and thought would look cool to re-enact.
>>214913417You've missed the point or don't remember what's happening in that scene. It's from the S2 finale and in it, Laura says something like "see you in 25 years. Meanwhile: [raises hands to frame her face]". The idea is that Coop is going to see her in 25 years while she stays exactly the same. That's because the original dream sequence from the beginning of the show has him as an old man (aged 25 years) while Laura is exactly the same age, the "Meanwhile" is because no time passes for her/ she doesn't age.Her hands are only framed like that to draw attention to her face/ youth and that she hasn't aged.>inb4 she didn't age because of meditative stateThere's tonnes of shit going on in Twin Peaks of characters meeting each other at different time periods, that's what the whole "Is it future? Or is it past?" thing is about, and how you never know whether the good Mike or bad Mike is in a certain scene.
>>214913231He won
I just finished the last episode and was completely blindsided by ending, I want to think of it as a conventionally happy ending just because Cooper already went through so much shit but there is really nothing to support, I can’t say it’s a nihilistic ending either unless Lynch wanted to one up the Sopranos and the universe ended after the cut
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Can someone explain the ending of The Return? I don't get it. Also, what happened to Audrey?
>>214913197I think, and I'm not being smug here or trying to discourage you, but I think that you really need to just "start with the Greeks" etc. You're not going to "understand what's happening" by finding the right synopsis written by some guy online. You need to have some education in history, in economics, in various esoteric traditions including e.g. hermetism, in the Bible, in the Arthurian myth, and the list goes on. Lynch and Frost were educated men with broad interests and they draw very widely from these without showing their hand often. But you also don't need to know these things right away. The show unfolds itself over years as you stumble on new ideas that make something make sense. E.g. you'll be reading an introduction to Hermetism and it will tell you that elemental fire is not the fire we see, because everything material we exprerience is mediated through earth, although through these symbols we can come to understand them. And now it makes perfect sense suddenly what Hawk meant when he said of the map, "this fire is not like our fire, it's more like... electricity." I also remember encountering the idea of the lodges in a book about early 20th century spirtual movements, but I forget the details. Anyway it isn't going to come together quickly with just watching the right youtube essay, and I'd be wary of pretenders with convincing but shallow and ultimately wrong readings. One important clue to understand right away is that you should in the back of your mind have an idea of FBI agents as questing knights and Twin Peaks as Romance. I think that's a safe assumption to make about the show.
>>214918841>Can someone explain the ending of The Return? I don't get it.lynched>Also, what happened to Audrey?something something (raped by cooper) something more (in a coma after the bank explosion) something something (mental illness)
I never think about Twin Peaks. I just let little bits of it pop into my head from time to time. I'm deep like that. It's how Lynch wanted me to enjoy his crazy shit. In depth analysis is not what it's about. People are way too stressed out for that.
