>everyone's beautiful and healthy>no racism>no sexism>no crime>no grafiti>everything is clean>doesn't appear to be much if any poverty>but for some reason we're supposed to laugh/cringe at thisLiberals are dumb.
>you're required to serve the military, who will wage constant war to justify their existence and keep feeding it with human souls so it won't lose said wars or stagnate to be considered a "citizen."
>>214947653>>No racismThis why I don’t understand you guys worshipping this movie. You realize it’s a multicultural society right? You don’t have to side with the bugs, but you also don’t have to side with the side that lets Shaniqua be President and undermines traditional values by putting women in power or in the battlefield. This movie is hardly about fascism, it reads off as more some retarded neoliberal fantasy.
>>214947735>but you also don’t have to side with the side that lets Shaniqua be President and undermines traditional values by putting women in power or in the battlefield.Heinlein was a raging feminist FYI.
>>214947735it's either this or the Matrix sequelsyou choose
>>214947735I’m fine with other people of different races existing as long as they behave normally
>>214947700>look at this argument I made up out of thin air! That'll teach you!Nice argument, retard.
>>214947735Because the movie is a satire on neoliberalism itself being fascism. It’s not “fascism bad,” it’s mocking neoliberalism.
>>214947914Well, quite literally, Verhoeven was positing to the audience that he was going to present a fascist society "that works", and was indirectly asking the audience if this is what you want.So, you could say it's a satire, but it's not really a satire. It's more of a reflective hall of mirrors designed to make your question your own leanings.
>>214947914>>214948008Wrong as usual Ivan. Here we go, same pol spam over and over.>Verhoeven failed >failed satire >nazi apologist >conflate with book >Israel/Palestine>is not fascism >it is fascism and now I'm fascist
>>214947653I want an Avatar thread. This is the closest thing right now.
>live in the epic globalist NWO that sends all our young men (and some women) to die in endless wars!
>>214949188War is fun and based when you are overwhelmingly superior to your opponent.
>>214949224Zogmanity wasn't to the bugs, as shown in Klendathu
Why do the right endlessly try to lay claim to admitted liberal media when they could just make their own?
>>214947752He was a “women are equal to men” feminist, not a “believe all women” feminist.
It's a movie about fighting giant bugs. That's it. There's nothing deep or political about it even if reddit tries to pretend that there is
>>214949311No, he was a "free love hippy commune on the moon" feminist.
>>214949336>fight bugs with your unit all day>get to go home and take a lovely shower with you female and male comrades>rinse and repeat What’s not to love?
>>214949336Even so, you're still supposed to think the humans are annoying twats and root for the bugs
why do simple coed showers make me hornier than any pornografia i've ever seen
>Read the novel>There's a weird chapter where Rico is asking if he would love a dog-human hybrid like his own wife
>>214949342“Free love” back then meant you were allowed to fuck without having to be married. You have no idea how restrictive the 50s/60s were. Even men were strongly chastised for being single after 30
>>214947653Sorry sweetie, to have a utopia you have to die in a manufactured bug war, to keep our people in line and government in power ;)
>>214947653Liberals don't know what "satire" means. Starship Troopers is a satirical movie and Verhoeven is a satirical director in general. But that does NOT mean "le making fun of le social ideology and telling you what you should le think" satire. Liberals have convinced themselves that all forms of media are overt sociopolitical/ideological propaganda and get confused and frustrated by anything that is either nuanced or just humorously self-aware.
>>214947653> they never showed us anything 'bad' so nothing bad exists in that worldwhy is OP do dumb?
>>214947700Rico's parents were civilians, and they lived quite comfortably. Even had enough wealth to send him to a vacation planet.
>>214949424It was an attempt at satire that failed. Makes me wonder if the studio fucked with it after filming wrapped.
>>214949396The whole free love movement was to trick women into being loose.
>>214949424And the poltard projects his inability to understand satire.
>>214949441>>214948485>failed satire
>>214949390Oh Heinlein was one sick puppy (heh heh) that's for sure. But it was a different time. I never got mad at science fiction exploring weird and fantastic ideas of perfectly transmuting into another gender on a whim. Struggling to understand the extremes of our own states of being is what the written word is for. Of course it became utterly ridiculous when the marxists picked up the idea to use a destabilizing wedge against objective reality and traditional family/social structure.
>>214949441>failedIt didn't fail at all.>>214949452You seem upset that objective reality has continually defeated your delusions. You may take one "Womp womp".
>>214947847If they were capable of behaving normally they'd be white anon.
>>214949241Sure, but by the end of the film they had it all sorted. Kinda like how at the beginning of the Iraq war humvees were getting obliterated by IEDs but once the MRAPs were fielded it wasn’t a problem.
>>214949508No Ivan this doesn't work. The new strategy of pretending that you understand satire and claiming that actually presenting a choice of being a nazi is somehow satire doesn't work either.
>>214949600*sips liberal tears and enjoys fun macho movies that promote healthy nationalism*
>>214947735I can’t believe it’s been 30 years and people don’t realize this movie is literally about woke fascism. It’s a universe where Obamaworld combines with Israel. By admitting you admire this kind of society you are admitting you’re some degree of libtard
>>214949671And my point is proven.
>>214949188May I see proof?
>>214949842>>214948485>israelYou russian idiots really can't help yourselves lol
>>214949870>point>crying like a little bitch and completely losing the culture warOk!How's it feel by the way? That people finally stopped taking any of your psychotic delusions seriously?
>>214949430and they were considered expendable for a false flag attack
>>214949876The movie.
>>214947870its an argument based upon what is explicitly stated in the movie multiple times (service guarantees citizenship) and how militaries need to operate.
>>214949914What about it?
>>214948485I don’t see why pointing out the movie mocks neoliberalism means you’re a /pol/tard or a russian bot. The fascist reading is still there, the problem is liberals (neo or otherwise) aren’t willing to admit that neoliberalism itself is fascism or a precursor to it.
>>214947653>no crime>A murderer was caught this morning and sentenced this afternoon, execution live tonight, all net all channelsSeems like there is still crime and the success rate of police is 100/100, nothing suspicious there.
>>214949903>y-you lost! y-youre psychotic!and the shill starts the downward spiral
>>214949947No Ivan mocking nazis isn't mocking liberals. This new strategy doesn't work.
>>214947653
>>214949997And here I give you: the psychotic liberal that lost everything in a downward spiral of political propaganda folder dump. It really writes itself.
>>214950043not good cope Ivan.
>>214950065>copeWhy do the people that lost the culture war and cut their penis off for nothing use this word this most? Kinda weird lol
>>214950017> No Ivan mocking nazis isn't mocking liberals. This new strategy doesn't work.If you came here expecting me to be a stormfag, I hate to break it to you but I’m not even right wing. You don’t have to believe in this interpretation of the movie but don’t assume everyone who doesn’t subscribe to your interpretation of the movie is a Russian bot. I wanna approach you in good faith, so I’ll give you a link to pull out next time you wanna expose russian bots or prove deniers wrong. Besides, there is a difference between liberalism and neoliberalism. https://youtu.be/cVu89Cn8Rqs
>>214950102See>>214949997>>214950177>comrade I am agitate hate liberal because not am right wing
>>214949430>lived quite comfort-ACK
>>214950211>comrade I am agitate hate liberal because not am right wingI don’t hate liberals though. Scandinavia, FDR, and others have shown models of liberalism can succeed. I just don’t approve of Reaganomics and Thatcherite politics which is what Neoliberalism is defined by.
>>214949842>libtard>>214950268>I don’t hate liberals thoughand the russian shill forgets where he started and contradicts himself.
>>214947847female isn't a race, tho?
>>214947653>nothing about how they violently purged trannies from their society
>>214947653Argentinians are just the master race, obviously.
>>214947653you only got the view of one cityyou dont know that the Nazis, who work with jews and catholics, own Argentina and the natives dont live in their technocity
>>214950301>and the russian shill forgets where he started and contradicts himself.Having grievances with a group doesn’t mean you hate them.>” The fascist reading is still there, the problem is liberals (neo or otherwise) aren’t willing to admit that neoliberalism itself is fascism or a precursor to it.”I believe liberals are well intentioned, but they also need to realize these current institutions are what can lead to the rise of people they hate, like Trump or the far right. Ideally, Bernie should’ve won.>Russian shillI don’t support any state that lets a clown like Dugin have serious sway. If this is about Russia vs Ukraine, I’ve always been a Zelenskybro since day one.
>>214950401Yes Ivan mocking liberals is hating liberals. Yes ivan i understand your new strategy. You russian faggots have spent years calling everyone that recognizes your bullshit liberal/leftist/etc to push people into supporting nazis as opposition and that didn't work. You're now trying the inverse - trying to get the people against your influence raids, that you've claimed are liberals, to embrace nazis by equating them to nazis.
>>214950575> Yes Ivan mocking liberals is hating liberals. Yes ivan i understand your new strategy. You russian faggots have spent years calling everyone that recognizes your bullshit liberal/leftist/etc to push people into supporting nazis as opposition and that didn't work. You're now trying the inverse - trying to get the people against your influence raids, that you've claimed are liberals, to embrace nazis by equating them to nazis.I don’t want people to support Nazis though. Besides, I literally just gave you a video exposing russian shills on a silver platter. I never particularly bought the idea of supporting russia because “america bad.” “America bad” politics is retarded. I don’t like the institutions in america but bootlicking for the russian and chinese governments isn’t the way to go.
>>214949904Even the libtard director said it wasn't a falseflag attack
>>214950782See>>214950575
>Starship Troopers thread>NAFO troons need to make it about RussiaTiresome
>>214947847But they don't
its a satire of fascist propaganda. verhoven hated fascists since he was raised in occupied Netherlands. unless you're going to go down some kind of far left "author is dead" thing ... its a satire.
>>214950984What scene of the movie does he say that
>>214951956>death of the author>far left
>>214951852See>>214950401
>>214951956He sounds stupid. Shame he never grew up.
>>214948485You are not smart
JIDF still posting here eh?
>>214949904>Shitlibs now post relentlessly about false flag attacks because their programming has changed.Lol, lmao.
>>214947653literally the only reason that humanity can save themselves from extinction is because they are fascist why did verhoeven mean by this?
>>214947700The point is it’s a society run by people who have bought into it. You don’t actually need to serve in the military, you need to devote yourself to a civic obligation. Basically weeds out leftist retards who hate their nation.
Why would a fascist society have coed showers?
>>214949149based
>>214952079Barthes was a literal communist. a real one
>>214952851so you can see boobs
>>214947735It's a monocultural society.
>>214952871And? Does change what he said?
>>214952831Left is for strong government, which you can’t say fascist isn’t
>>214947653>>but for some reason we're supposed to laugh/cringe at this"fascism" just means "anti-communism"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU4Hj5rogaE
>>214947735Heinlein haded the commie shit.
Crying about politics in a stupid action movie and not Dizzy vs Carmen, who had the better tits?You guys are sick, Starship Troopers isn't a smart or profound movie.
>>214953128More specifically, fascism is when capital bands together to override the democratic process in order to utilize the violence of the state to protect their profits from leftist movements.
>>214953105Leftism isn’t the same as being a social democrat or something, it’s the eternal revolution people that Trotsky started
>>214953151You don’t know what any of those words mean.
>>214949430Zegema beach!>>214947700You clearly didn't watch the kino, nigger.You're not required to enlist/do military service.
>>214953172u mad bro?
>>214947735She replaced the last Sky Marshal after he resigned following his disastrous strategy to directly invade the Arachnid homeworld.You're so disingenuous.
>>214947735It's Liberal Fascism.
>>214953254That’s just fascism in the same way the Roman Empire was fascism
>>214953218If wanton stupidity made me angry I’d have exploded with the force of a million suns decades ago.
>>214953248I liked that part, where it implied a military commander who made a mistake would instantly admit it and accept the consequences.
>>214953149Childhood is Carmen. Adulthood is realizing Dizzy was best girl. Also aged like fine wine
>>214953321That's what killed my suspension of disbelief. People in power being held accountable for their actions.
>>214953308
>>214953327Even back when I was in 5th grade and saw it on opening day, I knew Dizzy was the objectively the best grill.I'm 40 now and time has proven it true.She's still hot as fuck.
>>214947653>satire>believes it Must be a self delusional white male republican with an iq in the 2nd percentile
>>214947653okay, but remember the part where they go fight and die in a pointless and immoral warwhy not have all that nice stuff without that
>>214953415Explain the satirical elements in the film.
>>214947653but theres no jewish middle men making money off your hardwork, dont you see how antisemetic that is?>>214947735the writer was actually considered to be extremely liberal for his timeand was kind of mocked for those parts.
>>214953150fascism just means anti-communism
>>214953418
>>214953451this is what you are in right this second and you can't prove otherwise
>>214953376Reddit has been so overused by ESLs it just means “white native English speaker”
nobody in this thread has actually watched this movie
>>214953444No Ivan it doesn't.
>>214949921The need for bodies for an endless war to justify its existence to keep feeding bodies or else it will stagnate is never once implied, stated, or even insinuated, anywhere in the movie, at all, or in the pre-production, the script, the commentary, or the fucking book, you retarded nigger.
>>214954047Aside from the troops literally being children towards the end of the movie.
>>214954119>literally being childrenIt's stated that they're young, which is more an insinuation about how badly the war is going, ala WW2 where Germany was using kids to defend Berlin, nothing remotely to do with the efficiency of their socio-economic political state. They aren't even involved in a war until the bugs attack, which is confirmed by Verhoeven himself in the commentary.
>>214953418>immoralHow is it immoral?>pointless>gets hit with an asteroid that destroys an entire city on Earth
>>214954166Thank you for agreeing, you idiot.
>>214953444Communism IS fascist, so...
>>214954200>thank you for agreeing you idiotWhat I said does not agree with your broader point about the socio-economic political state of affairs of the Federation, you blithering retard. Your point rests on the state existing at all to be in constant war, which they weren't, as evidenced by watching the fucking movie, so maybe you should go back to sucking your girlfriend's boyfriend's big black cock, since thinking seems to be a little too hard for you.
>>214953748>n-no >im n-not rrrrredditI think of “reddit” of being something like smug effortposting with a bunch of extra dopamine trigger words thrown about for Pavlov’s updoots.>you think people should be killed?versus >you really think individuals should be allowed to be actively murdered?
>>214954265Please quote where I stated that them running out of soldiers was socioeconomic.
>>214953442>extremely liberalHeinlein was liberal early on in his life, and turned into a staunch libertarian later in life.
>>214954325When you broadly defended the post I was criticizing by stating that the new recruits looked young. You fucking idiot. If you don't know what you're doing when you interject randomly into conversations online, you should probably refrain from posting in the first place.
>>214953248> She replaced the last Sky Marshal after he resigned following his disastrous strategy to directly invade the Arachnid homeworld.So what? That means let’s put in the diversity hire in charge? Wow brilliant idea anon! Instead of hiring someone competent to lead the invasion, let’s get DEI involved and get the token minority to lead us to victory. You fucking liberal.
>>214949380You're into the nudism fetish.
>>214954369And the poltard realizes it's not at all a socioeconomic statement lol.
>>214953435Nah, I don't go into discussions with betas
>>214954387Was it DEI if society allowed both sexes and all races to serve and treated them equally?No one cares that she was a female negress.That was the highest rank and position, she clearly was good and had merit if she was able to rise that high.Her battle plan was to invade and purge all the systems surrounding Kendathlu while focusing on researching them and inventing new weapons/technologies.Better plan than a Zerg rush. KEKEKEK
>>214953859Is Ivan in the room with us right now, schiztard?
>>214949188Not all the young men. Just the 90 IQ meat slabs like Rico.
>>214954312You’re brown.
>>214955972 you are
>>214947653Everyone threw their future away getting impaled by bugs on a rock. Sure showed those liberals.
>>214949368I didn't root for the bugs howeverbeit
>>214954325To be fair, if you place a price on soldiers, running out is socioeconomic
>>214956016Going for such an inane “no you” is proof you’re a street shitter
>>214949368You don’t need to root for the bugs to think the government of starship troopers is insane
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