Will we ever see fighting kino like this again?
>>214950157>FOOKIN KHABEEB imma go on an do mobies now cause im da gooby
>>214950157The fight itself sucked though. The post fight was very good. The buildup was pretty good due to Conors antics but Khabib cant really sell a fight and its why none of his other fights attracted large attention
fuck off I'm not watching your movie dwayne
>>214950247This movie would have been kino if it had just been an hour and a half of gooby raising hell.
>>214950157why does he shave his pits?
>>214950157crotchsniffslop is the antithesis of kinothe dumbest thing about UFC is casual fans and browns hyping up these mountain muslims as fearsome killers when they are the primest example of abusing the ruleset to pointscore. the fight with khamzat last time the normie crowd went wild when he did the eye thing at the start, then halfway in they started booing because it wasn't like the epic tiktok edits and they got to see how they actually fight lmao.
>>214952132Lmao. Modern ufc will stand fighters up the minute the grappling is not tv-friendly, and heavily restricts what you can do on the ground.Back in the 90s it was a different world. Everythinh was allowed, and if somebody put you on the ground there would be no bell or ref saving you. You had to fight it out, and if that makes the fight boring for smoothbrains then though shit.
>>214950157UFC is the gayest shit ever
>>214950157The path to presidency is still there for Conor
>>214952419go watch khamzat vs ddp right now and tell me this again, you obviously haven't watched MMA since the fucking 90s.
>>214950157Is he calling out Mean Gene?
>>214950269
>>214950269Nah watching Khabib smack him up on the ground and drop him in the standup and then make him tap was sick. Easy money too
>>214952455I think you should check out the 90s ufc, with the pyramid tournaments and bizarre characters involved. It's great.
>>214952132stick to striking sports buddy. mma isn't for you
>>214952621i watch striking sports aswell, and nobody can tell me that crotchsniffing shit is entertaining, the khamzat vs ddp fight was the most boring shit ever, they don't actually do anything interesting on the ground, its just holding them down while giving the lightest 1 inch taps for 5 minutes to win on "ground control", i like grappling, who the fuck is THIS for?
>>214952606yes boomer everybody has seen early UFC and pride, this was 30 years ago, no combat sports were not superior when the fighters were less skilled boomer.
Its funny how these goat fuckets are only good at wrestling, every other sport they suck at
>>214952833It’s good for the purity of the sport. We want to see anything goes deathmatches basically, and this is as close to it as they can sanction. Still kino fights it’s just becoming ring rarer as refinement culture sets in. I agree Khamzat is not the most exciting thing ever but much more interesting that like Merab or the other crotch sniffers.
>>214952621>the epitome of mixed martial arts is shooting takedowns and laying on a guys back for 5 minutes while doing zero damageYEAAAHH STICK TO STRIKING SPORTS BRO THIS IS MMA I KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT
>>214952606based
>>214952833they probably paid off the refs, Khamzat would've been forced to stand up more
>>214952969This guy is with it>>214952850This guy is a poser
i gave up on watching mma. it is SO bad lately. completely unwatchable.way too many cards and most fights are extremely boring. not possible to follow now unless you are a nolifer and somehow find it exciting.
>>214952866The greatest kickboxer is also a goatfucker
>>214953188watch ONE championship and RWS for free on youtube (free streamed card on fridays and full fights/highlights uploaded like every 3 weeks), no investment in made up drama and characters, just goofy thai names and constant knockouts and wars. if you watch somewhat often you'll eventually recognise some names.
>>214953203Yeah but can throw or catch a ball
>>214953188>and most fights are extremely boringjust avoid any fights with wrestlers in it. Striking fights are kino
>>214953405its usually point fighting any time i tune in. that aside its still too hard to follow. everyone fights once a year at most and theres a card every 3 days now. i stopped watching for a couple years and i dont recognize anyone on the cards anymore.its just too much effort to follow when everything is so boring.
>>214950157LETS WRESTLE!LETS WRESTLE!LETS WRESTLE!GO SLEEPman that was pure fucking kino
>>214950157The Raja Jackson vs Psycho Stu match was pretty kino
Gooby bless
>>214953287ONE is pretty good, the Friday night fights are almost always better in general than UFC. This fight especially https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsyFbaZg2lA&list=LL&index=31UFC nowadays is lucky to have 1-2 good cards a month, it's really bad and there's only a handful of must-watch fighters, the rest are Apex slop-fillers
>>214950157I'm uncomfortable watching professional fighters because it highlights how much of a weak out of shape skinny fat loser I am. I never threw fists in my entire life
Would you rather swap places with conor now and be worth like 200mill but be a convicted known rapist who does nothing but embarrass himself and his kids will grow up knowing he's a rapist. Or stay as your current broke self but none of that?
>>214953781If you can't fight, but for some reason need to fight, just to grab&punch.Just stretch your arms in front of your face like a zombie, move towards the guy, grab him with both arms, then let go with one arm to punch. Remember to separate your bodies a bit, so you can wind your punches, and to close your bodies when you are the one being punched.It should work against other untrained bums (such as yourself).
>>214950157It's crazy to think, that this guy trained so hard to be so good, and a guy who's simply a foot taller and twice his weight would absolutely decimate him without much training.
>>214953855>and a guy who's simply a foot taller and twice his weightBoth these men are 5'10 and 170-190 pounds when not dehydrated.
>>214952833You should watch Shamrock vs Gracie at UFC5, a delicious 35 minutes of humping in missionary, with no repercussions of inactivity on the ground. Should make you appreciate what you got.
prime anderson silva was better
>>214953814I would like 200 million dollars
>>214953203Rico Verhoeven is Dutch though
>>214953743those type of brawls are common under muay thai rules, not even just in ONE, seksan has been putting on these shows in ONE like every month aswell but sadly he's getting too old for it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDjbdqYVJow older muay thai fights from the bigger names in ONE are also worth watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBOVlnWGIWc when they were actually in their prime, i'm convinced muay thai is the ruleset least vulnerable to shittification, kickboxing has some issues with being too boxing-heavy. however ofcourse normies don't want to watch these weirdly named junglegooks with strange ear-rape festival music blasting, ONE is probably as mainstream appealing as it gets for it.
>>214954203they do fuck goats, yes
>>214952606
why do mma legends always get knocked out by random dudes?
>>214954696because they arent real fightersvale tudo is where its at
>>214950157Yes we will, in 4 days time in fact
>>214952907>It’s good for the purity of the sport. We want to see anything goes deathmatches basically, and this is as close to it as they can sanction.The ruleset heavily favors wrestling. Not allowed to kick on the ground, not allowed to head-butt, elbowing is restricted, are you even allowed to slam in modern mma rules? And you're awarded the win for control even if you actively avoid doing anything in order to not risk losing that control.Don't get me wrong, wrestling is a great skill but the format also heavily favors it. Nothing pure about that.
>>214954881Elbowing isn’t restricted in UFC, you can slam fine too. You’re not supposed to intentionally spike onto the head but it happens often and they don’t really care. I’ve been a big advocate of grounded kicks forever, which are allowed in Rizin, which is kino.There was a period like 5 years ago or so where they came to their senses about scoring and made damage score above all which cucked some lay and prayers. They seem to have forgotten about that or something idkI just mean getting rid of wrestling or standing them up would make it lose some purity
>>214954863jiri is a fuckin bum
>>214955108he is pure autism manifested as man
>>214954696randoms getting effortlessly fucked by fighters is a lot more common, but nobody is immune to a suckerpunch or being a drunk retard i guess.
>>214952866What, the hardest sport in the world?
>>214953575He is ZESTYHe is /fa/He wears PURSESHe is one of "THEM"
>>214955232i feel that... anon gave me energy.... loosen me with his hands and mouth... make me light.. for rematch with alex... lets go for that
>>214955461filtered
>>214955461he's rich and has a big dick, he can do whatever he wants.
>>214952455My solution would be less rules not more.Let Khamzat start dropping knees from the crucifix position or something and get KOs from there.Let those who fail takedowns not be protected by knees on the ground and get soccer kicked and head stomped in for pulling guard.
>>214954696>why do mma legends always get knocked out by random dudes?Conor McGregor was just a random dude 15 years ago.
>>214950157Most casual MMA fans I think deep down if they were honest with themselves would be happier as WWE fans. All their demands line up with it.They want trash talking people from English speaking countries only that are entertaining characters start to finish and don't have to have any of that boring stuff like defense, feeling out the distance, changing the fight via takedowns or grappling, not going at 100% punch power all the time, or came to be respectful or humble in any way from their martial arts background.
>>214950157UFC needs to be more like WWE. UFC drama comes across all niggery/wiggery. When I picture a UFC fighter I picture a DYEL with cornrows it's disgusting. But you need trashy people so idk just make it less numale coded.
>>214955689>Most casual MMA fans I think deep down if they were honest with themselves would be happier as WWE fans. All their demands line up with itNoooooo! If you're not Joe Rogan or Conor McGregor or one those 10th Planet Potheads NO FUN ALLOWED! Take us seriously!
>>214955514>phoneposter enters the thread
Poatan-Ankalaev II is gonna be kino
>>214955859no, it's going to be a nightmare. Poatan is getting knocked out.
>>214955689you're being disingenuous or also don't understand fighting, the casual audience not understanding the intricacies of fighting doesn't mean the crotchsniffing is not ruining the sport both as a sport and entertainment, this isn't the old criticism of BJJ, which actually used to atleast have things happen, its about a very specific type of wrestler that exclusively shoots takedowns and wins solely on "ground control" (keeping the opponent on the ground), takedowns landed, and non-damaging taps to the head on the ground, its not engaging grappling, its something like if floyd mayweather threw 5 jabs max in 10 rounds and just kept distance the entire time. which is another thing, it happens in striking too now, boxing has already boxing a game of tag although to a lesser extent, just look at MVP and his snoozefest pointfighting, people watch these edits of his handful of KOs 10 years ago and his annoying nigger taunting but then you watch his fight and he literally runs while touching the other guy 2 times the entire fight and wins on points. if you like the caucasian wrestlefuckers you should probably watch actual wrestling or no-gi grappling whatever, if you like garbage like late adesanya or MVP, go watch tiptaptag karate and taekwondo or hell even fencing.
>>214955689>feeling out the distance (rounds 1 and 2)>changing the fight via takedown (rounds 3 through 5)all for the meager price of 100 dollars and staying up until 2am
>>214950157>he doesn't know about the sequel It had none of the build-up of khabib vs conor but the fight was much better
>>214955002>>214955232>Rizin>JiriI wouldn't mind seeing Japan and JMMA make a comeback in the modern UFC era. It's so odd to see the massive vacuum of MMA history not be filled out in the modern day by Japan. A large chunk of MMA history largely involve around Japan including it's development as a sport spanning beyond Shooto, Pancrase, and Bjj with Jigoro Kano.The fact there haven't been any Jap champs in UFC yet is pretty sadd considering all they've done for the sport.
>>214950157Every month on WWE Raw
>>214953781There's no reason to fight in a civilized society, unfortunately society now has uncivilized niggers and crackhead everywhere so you need to know.
>>214953855That's what weapons are for
>>214956267fighting is and will and should always be a thing, it can and does happen in civilized ways, stop being a retard pretending to be some kind of outraged 50s christian gape-mouthing. at the peak of white high-culture people had duels, wrestled and boxed.
>>214955996>he casual audience not understanding the intricacies of fighting doesn't mean the crotchsniffing is not ruining the sport both as a sport and entertainment,You could almost call it...sports entertainment.Maybe they should take some notes and learn some things from the leader in sports entertainment. Which is the WWE.
>>214956361or maybe they should revise their retarded rules? if a guy in muay thai or kickboxing only walked back outside of kicking range after landing a single weak jab they would probably DQ him within 1.5 round.
>>214954696besides BJ Penn which fighter has this happened to?
>>214954881It was allowed in pride and grappling was still dominant.
>>214956419>or maybe they should revise their retarded rules?Right, like maybe they can just pick who's more popular because fans like that. Maybe they could just have no grappling because that's gay.Also no walking back because that's lame. Or blocking, what are you some sort of sissy? Needing defense, you either should just eat the shot or not like a real man.Every shot should be 100%, no need for saving your energy like a bitch. Knockouts are the only thing that counts.Well boy do I have the sport for you.
>>214956586JP Benn
>>214956419stick to pro wrestling retard
for me its mirko cro cop (croatian cop)
>>214956083>PeeFL
>>214956673Talmbout Schawlbs son b?
>>214956673for me its Gabriel Gonzaga and Brendan Schlaub
>>214956711OH N-
*blocks your path*
>>214956673both cro bum and fedora are overrated boomer shitters who fought only cans
>>214956673that gypsy never fought a single good guy in his career exposed by schaub lmao
>>214952132The muzzies use ramadan and shit to cheat with roids too, heart med scripts for stamina etc.
>>214956617>retarded slippery slope non-argument>durr if they aren't allowed to win without actually fighting then nothing matters bro! if retarded rules can't be changed then it should just all be fake! its not just about it being boring as fuck to watch it also ruins the actual competition of the sport in favour of that same boring stagnation and stalemating, your argument about defense is so fucking stupid because you act like there are no extremes that break the rules, if a fighter runs away he gets warned, so should the guy who literally only runs but forward and stays on the guy doing nothing fuck you faggot.
>>214956821you already got all the entertainment related rule concessions you're ever going to get with ref standupsyou just don't like real fights, accept it and move on (to WWE)
>>214952132>abusing the ruleset to pointscoreKhabib won with a submission.
>>214956857>real fights is laying on a guys back and giving him 500 1 inch taps for 5 rounds
Prime Schaub heems Ngannou
>>214956887>real fights is when a third guy comes in to reset the fight because ummm it's hecking boring!!!
>>214956857just make significant strikes and damage more of a factor retard
>>214956780Fedor is the best heavyweight of all time bitch
>>214956909no, a real fight is when guys actually fight you mongoloid, more action happens in actual wrestling matches than in a lot of these mmgay mountain arab matches.
>>214956913if it didn't result in a KO then it wasn't significantif you can't get someone off you on the ground without daddy referee swooping in to rescue you then you're the worse fighter
>>214956916delusional cazzie
>>214956805he beat a prime wanderlai silva
>>214950157AAAAAAAA
>>214956938name a better heavyweight
>>214956936you should make a new sport of people laying on the other guys back for the longest period of time
>>214956945Were he not Irish he would be an incel
best yt channel
>>214956975It's called Gaycie's Huezillian Jew Jitsu
>>214956990He has a BWC and a fucked up attitude, there's no way he would be an incel
>>214956821Right, which is why they want to trade out Anaklev for some PFL chick despite being champ and probably going to beat Pereira a 2nd time around because he's "boring" despite having a 50% KO rate and mostly stays on the feet.But he's boring because Dagistani non English. Doesn't matter he barely wrestles and KOs people.These people if they were in charge would have gotten rid of GSP for being too good at wrestling and grapping, until he's beating up Jon Fitch and Koscheck, then he's too boring on the feet beating them up.Meanwhile if he just trash talked like Colby and called them fags or something, then he'd be the greatest. Because the words and attitude matter more to them than the fights.If Colby did Usman like Khamzat did DDP, it wouldn't have mattered. It'd be USA USA USA spam as he plays a character.Or even 10 years prior when it was Chael Sonnen who was happy to pretty much lay on Silva to victory, but because he has mad mic skills, they love him.So no, I don't take it as being just about wanting better fights since it seems it'd all be forgiven with a good mouth instead of whatever they'd qualify as a good fight.
>>214957013is he D A M A G E D
>>214956975>ummmmm well if the referee saved me i would have won!lmao
>>214956936maybe if you realized you open a massive can of worms with these wrestlers if you make ufc about being "the better fighter" you wouldn't be defending it, change the rules very slightly and they would be nobodies, i also refuse to believe anybody can find something like DDP vs khamzat entertaining.
For me it's; Joshua Van, Petr Yan, Volk, Carlos Prates, JDM, Whittaker, DDP, Jiri and Pereira
>>214957013He's the king of Ireland but put him in Minnosota without his Leprechaun accent and it never even began for him
>>214957039>it's not real fighting unless we implement specific rules to stop a fighting style from being too effectivejust watch wweyou don't want to see anything even remotely resembling a real fight
>>214957013>there's no way he would be an incelWell, I mean even if he got rejected he doesn't seem to have a problem just raping them to break that label.
>>214957019>>214957019ankalaev is not one of these wrestlers retard, yes they are also all extremely lame and unlikable muzzie charisma-vacuums but i don't care about that, the bullshit WWE-tier drama shouldn't be there either. i also don't defend other wrestlers, i hate merab's bullshit too.
>>214957028He is involved with the Irish cartel and has a long history of drug abuse and violent crimes so yeah
>>214957077You don't want to see real fights either, Joe Rogan and Dana White, the godfathers of UFC, say real violence is icky
>>214957077post literally one real life fight where a guy is just laying on another guy doing nothing for 25 minutes
>>214957094UFC could do with a bit of Pride tier presentation
>>214957117>REF REFFFF SAVE ME HE'S HOLDING ME DOWN AND I CAN'T DO ANYTHING PLEEEEEASE THIS IS SO UNFAIR
>>214957077>real fight is taking advantage of a ruleset where you win after doing no damage for 25 minutes
>>214957117
>>214957131>I HAVE TO FIGHT? WHAT? NO I MADE UP THIS THING CALLD "GROUND CONTROL" AND EVERYTIME I WALK HIM TO THE CAGE AND DRAG HIS FEET DOWN A NUMBER GOES UP WHICH MAKES ME WIN!
>>214957158>>214957133>this guy held me down for 25 minutes but i would have won if someone else got him off me!lmao
>>214957148thats a guy overdosing, not a fight
>>214956945
>>214957094>i hate merab's bullshit too.Merab isn't even a personality vacuum, unless you couldn't taking the soul of Sean O Malley where he wouldn't jerk off and smoke weed anymore.And he just finished O'Malley too, but doesn't matter if it's not a KO I guess.And don't tell me it doesn't matter if the top guys are actively discussing getting rid of him for it.Same with DJ. Oh, flying armbars, KOs, dominance for a decade nope, not good enough, no one cares. Go to ONE FC. There's too many examples of showing how little a lot of these supposed fans don't care about the fighting itself and just want some WWE drama and big hype moments regardless if there's any technique or competition happening.Again, a lot of these people would be happier if they were honest with themselves and just became WWE fans.
>>214957161half the dagestani style takedowns would rip open your knees outside of an mma sports cage
>>214957197any other copes?
>>214957202i'm glad you eventually realized all your defense of the muslim crotchsniffing style was unfounded and ignorant
>>214957013Have you sucked it
>>214957226sounds like you just had an entire conversation with yourselfglad it went well for you
>>214957060>He's the king of Irelandlmao no he's not, he's a retarded cunt
>>214957227No but I saw it like two months ago
>>214956944THE wanderlei silva ?!?
>>214956960cant, they are all bums
>>214950157This is ironic because MacGregor sold this fight almost entirely on his own. He played the perfect heel / villain for the Other Protagonist of Khabib. Then, when he got his brutal comeuppance, everyone cheered Khabib on, not recognizing who brought them there to watch in the first place.You need bad guys.
>>214957117>post literally one real life fight where a guy is just laying on another guy doing nothing for 25 minutesMaybe not 25 minutes because cops get involved to arrest someone, but here you go.https://youtu.be/E-4I8H1PRd8https://youtu.be/xBa5-FMWeWgGot one up to like 15 minutes.https://youtu.be/rEhzuy4lwjghttps://youtu.be/TJvMLcf4Dfk
>>214957194you seem severely ESL so i don't really know what to reply to you, i'm not a UFC fan and i hate the boring and ineffective wrestlefucking and think rules should be changed, i hardly watch MMA and primarily watch muay thai. >>214957245you stopped pulling stupid arguments out of your ass so clearly you concessed these points>crotchsniffing is not real fighting>sports rules can be changed, they are made up anyway>MMA is not grappling, grappling is not MMA, soccer does not use the hands
>>214957312don't need new arguments, you still can't get past this one>this guy held me down for 25 minutes but i would have won if someone else got him off me!
>>214957194count*Autocorrect.
>>214957307>grapplers/pro fighters restraining some untrained tard is a "fight" a "fight" is 2 people actively hurting eachother, the crotchsniffing groundcontrol/grounded strikes meta is not "fighting" especially when it does 0 damage.
>>214957327i already did though, their way of doing that typically never does damage, you're proving this is the ruleset favouring them, its not a real fight, if they weren't allowed to "score" by simply hugging then they would be nobodies, on top of that its extremely boring, if this is your idea of real and effective fighting and entertainment then go watch wrestling or grappling.
>>214957343If a guy swings on you or whatever, you're in a fight whether you like it or not and if you just take them down and just keep them pinned till the police arrive and the guy is totally helpless to do anything, you've won the fight.Or is it just "Well, wrestling shouldn't be allowed. Not real fight." Meaning you only think a real fight is just striking. Well, there's kickboxing then, you have your 'real fight' where people just aren't allowed to do certain things to keep it 'real'.
>>214957258the one and only
>>214957376you didn't, you deflected with a nonsequiturin other words, you couldn't argue your way out of it and had to concede
>>214957327>dagestani wrestler shoots his takedown/clinch drag in real life>rips open his knees instantly putting him in a wheelchair>no worries brazza i wrestle fazzas bear in dagestan without leg>lays on top of guy for 30 seconds>guys friend kicks his head in like a pumpkin>is real smesh brazza
>>214957414he was literally 70 years old in that fight.
>>214957436>he held me down for 25 minutes but he scraped his knee so actually i winned!kek
>>214957406having a guy pinned is not being engaged in combat, its having a guy pinned, just go watch wrestling clearly you dont like fighting
>>214957453>he held me down for 25 minuteswouldn't happen without rules.
>>214957441he's the only guy to get knocked out before, during, and after a fight
if one guy can hold you down two can rape you
>>214957474you have been arguing this entire time that there should be rules to prevent that exact thingare you medically retarded?
>>214950157It never should have happened to begin with. Weigh ins 1 minute before the fight. thats the only weigh in that matters. Implement this in 2010. Jon Jones never rises as far as he did with his reach and eye poke strategy, Connor never quite makes it either.
>>214957493yes, because its not real fighting (because it does no damage), you really have trouble following basic logic patterns huh
>>214957457>having a guy pinned is not being engaged in combatIt is, just other guy can't do anything about it.Maybe teach people some takedown defense. If it was so easy to lay on people why didn't Matt Serra just sit on GSP instead of getting his ribs pulverized?Why couldn't DDP just get up and get the KO, why does he suddenly need help?
>>214957493>the rules in UFC allow a guy to win a match by hugging him and doing no damage therefore its the realest best dangerous fightingthis is your logic
>>214957553>this guy held me down for 25 minutes but i would have won if someone else got him off me!this is yours
>>214957474>wouldn't happen without rules.Do you think you'd just magically get up at minute 26? Like who do you think is going to get more exhausted first, guy trying to get up against the weight of another man and his own gravity, or the guy who just needs to maintain it.Even in that very simple clash, the winner is the person who's doing what he wants to do and the loser is the guy who is helpless to stop him.
>>214957535its not about standing them up, or about "its easy to just stand up" not sure why this retard >>214957566also keeps strawmanning that, what actually happens is the grounded strikes that do literally nothing, being counted as points. >>214957573wrestling on pavement/ground/etc is not the same as on a mat or canvas, everything in fighting is generally different outside of rules, grappling for 20 minutes in an actual fight is simply never going to happen, this is extreme specialization for a highly specific ruleset which is my entire point.
>>214957602>grappling for 20 minutes in an actual fight is simply never going to happen,That's already been proven wrong, both with the videos above, and with DDP vs Khamzat.Like if a guy can take you down, and keep you down and you can't get up, until someone's buddies or cops step in, that person on bottom is just at their mercy. He could keep them there for hours if they wanted.If he got up and bottom tried to swing, it's not like his TDD would suddenly improve, they'd just end up in the same spot. People tire out until they give up from exhaustion, especially if they're not used to a fight.It's all just BS to go back to the dumb kid school yard "Hey, stand up only counts as fighting. Also no sissy kicks." like fighting is only what you imagined in 2nd grade after seeing some Captain America movies.
>>214957698>>214957602You two retards should just have your single combat to determine this. What a pointless argument where no one will ever convince the other side. Gay ass internet bullshit. Neither of you have ever been combatants and it shows
>>214957698basing your case on crotchsniffers being "superior fighters" because some wrestlers or cops restrained untrained drunks is really reaching, all sports have rules it doesn't matter if you make a dumb comparison to "school yard kids", sports are simulation and there are lines that can get crossed where somebody is just solving a puzzle to the detriment of the simulation and spectatorship.
>>214957327nah bro you're wrong because current rules heavily favour the wrestler. For example you can't knee to the head when a guy is grounded. Which means a wrestler gets to sprawl at you, fall to his knees with arms around your waist to pull u down and u don't get to just KO him with a knee to the head. All things being equal you would have more of a point. But as it is UFC rules are weighted in favour for wrestling.
>>214957698so what do you think about the comparison of a guy in muay thai or kickboxing simply running out of kicking range, landing a weak teep to the thigh once or jab, then winning on points? is he the better fighting because that could also happen in real life? or the guy who normally scraps and knocks people out with aggressive defense, a granite chin, distance control etc?
>>214957803>>214957803>Which means a wrestler gets to sprawl at you, fall to his knees with arms around your waist to pull u down and u don't get to just KO him with a knee to the head.it also means that when you're down the wrestler can't knee you in the head until you're dead either (which happened in pride)you're just too retarded to be having this conversation
>>214957854dagestani wrestling relies on hugging the back, not having space to knee, you can also knee in the positions they use but they generally don't, where ever you can hit a knee you can generally punch too anyway which doesn't make much of a difference, they should be killing everyone with punches anyways by your logic.
>>214957840>so what do you think about the comparison of a guy in muay thai or kickboxing simply running out of kicking range, landing a weak teep to the thigh once or jab, then winning on points?If I land 5 punches and you land zero, and you have nothing else to go on, by default the person who landed 5 punches wins.If it's real life and goes on forever, same thing. If one person can stay on pace and just land jabs forever while the other guy goes apeshit and hits nothing despite swinging home runs everytime while shit talking, the person who hits and doesn't get hit wins, while the person who gets punched a bunch loses.This ass backwards logic of "Well, he backed up too much so we should reverse it. He shouldn't be allowed to be so good at not getting hit and jabbing out of range, so he should lose since it's not entertaining enough." again just goes back to watch some WWE where only the fan favorite popular people win and only big stunt moves happens and they talk all the trash you want for your sports entertainment.Lots of fighters win on points fighting the best fighters in the world, doesn't mean if you put them on the street your strategy of "See red and bodies start dropping" would give you victory over the boring point fighter who actually knows what he's doing.
>>214957854>it also means that when you're down the wrestler can't knee you in the head until you're dead either (which happened in pride)bro work on your logic. You're saying AFTER getting this huge advantage to take someone down there would also be an advantage for the wrestler to knee???? Well duh. The point is for a specialist wrestler to get the takedown and hold someone there is everything. Is the striker allowed fair available weapons to avoid the takedown? No. This is without getting into the fact it's all held in a cage, another HUGE wrestler advantage. Not sure why you don't just admit the rules need tweaked and then we'd truly see how strong wrestling is. There needs to be more peril and consequences for shooting and missing. At the moment wrestlers are safe to spam that shit for a whole fight as a way to avoid a fight. Anyway, fuck you bro, calling me retarded and shit. Not cool my man ;)
>>214958019>this thing that happened in pride constantly? would never happenretard
>>214957913You think Merab couldn't have landed a bunch of knees to the head from this position if they were allowed?
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grounded knees would allow wrestlers to stop being boring bums and use them to cave peoples heads in on the ground. grounded knees would also allow strikers to defend against wrestlers by kneeing them during takedowns. it's a good thing no matter how you look at it, who gives a fuck who it benefits more, it would result in more heems which is all i care about, you fucking cazzies. knees are so fucking kino
>>214957986so you don't understand the difference between defense and staying out of range, well i'm glad my favourite sports don't really have space for these kind of retarded non-combat antics. you should probably watch pointfighting karate or competitive tag or someshit, it sounds perfect for you since a touch and running is domination and demonstration of combat skill https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bo8sSGwo1UY incase you ever get into a fight in real life i hope you realise there is no space to keep running backwards infinitely most of the time unless you happen to be on a grass field or something.
>>214958019>Not sure why you don't just admit the rules need tweakedI admit the rules do need to be tweaked.Knees, stomps and kicks to the heads of downed opponents should be allowed.
>>214958130>so you don't understand the difference between defense and staying out of rangeStaying out of your opponent's range is one way to not get hit by your opponent's offense. It's a way to do defense, or do you think fighters shouldn't be allowed to do range management?
>>214957986the point is landing a touch that doesnt´ hurt is not part of fighting and these are combat sports, they´re not games of tag. you keep spinning the hypotheticals to be more reasonable where the other guy is simply skillfully better at combat, but were talking about the difference between combat sports and a pointsystem that disregards it, in the context of wrestlers in UFC being favoured by it, getting points for being less combative.
>>214958156if you excessively stay out of range, which is different from simply being good at managing your distance and being skilled at it, you´re simply running away and not engaging in the fight, it will get you warned in any striking sport including MMA, unless you do a pointfighting competition where the first touch ends the round.
>>214958226You'd have to go in and be close enough to land a punch to score.Or is the rule that like if you've got Jon Jones arms you have to get into your opponent's range to keep it fair, instead of just getting into your own range and picking at him from a distance he can't effectively fight back at if you have like a 12 inch reach advantage?Like the other person is incapable of fighting unless they're handcuffed together or something.
>>214958156due to the ring or cage blocking movement at some point against an opponent cutting you off, staying out of range exclusively ends up in not engaging in any combatsport action such as striking with xyz, defending with xyz, if you are not doing so you are basically forfeiting, the rules in combat sports are not just "you are not to do allowed X", combat sports rules usually involve "in this competition, XYZ things happen", if said things deliberately do not happen, why are you in the match? you get warned or a point taken.
>>214953855Khabib would absolutely demolish a 6ft 10 fat dude if the fat dude doesn't know how to fight. Whether through leg kicks or just pure grappling. Judo teams regularly put smaller fighters against larger opponents and win due to technique and good grappling.
>>214958318Jon Jones is jabbing you with his 84.5" inch reach. He is in his range.Your reach is 71".He hits you from his range. He stays out of your range for 25 minutes while you wildly miss and never gives you a chance.Somehow, this should not be allowed.
>>214958286if you land one weak punch and then run away for the entire match you're not fighting and not being a better fighter, you're just running, i dont know why you want to die on this hill dude, running away is not defense, yes keeping your range and fighting while doing so takes skill but there are lines, i think you're autistic in the actual sense if you don't understand the nuances of what i'm saying here, you don't grasp "excessiveness" and the line of "non-combatant">>214958401ok now i understand, so you understand even less than what i assumed, in your scenario if jon jones stays in the distance where he can hit, yes thats not running, but if he is consistently outside of the distance where HE cannot hit, he's running and being non-combative, why do you conveniently keep forgetting the hypothetical we are arguing about? you know, the guy who lands a weak jab and then runs around the entire time not doing anything else?
>>214958401you simply don't grasp combat sports conceptually nor rule-wise, if you're pretending then its sad how far you go to pretend retardation to win a pointless argument.
>>214958401a guy staying within striking range and then never getting hit a single time is a mathematically impossible scenario, the guy landing one point and then staying out of all striking ranges is not, the point is where the line is drawn and what is considered combat, tapping a point and running is not fighting, nor is borderline "non-combative" grappling while getting "non-combative" points, is the argument.
>>214958489Just go watch WWE and enjoy yourself. You won't have to worry about takedowns, or people not going right into a Don Frye-Takayama style brawl every fight where technique goes right out the window. You can get everything you want. You don't have to put up with the GSPs, or Khabibs or Islams or whoever is not fighting how you like and not shit talking how you like to hear shit talk. You can go and see the big stars fight big stars and see them do crazy over the top shit for 20 minutes. You'll be happier just hitting the end goal instead of trying to turn the sport into it.
>>214958598i'm not even an mma fan, but you should go watch wrestling or no-gi grappling, its called mixed martial arts, not cageclinchlovetap.
>>214958598>muh real effective fighting>doesn't comprehend that combat sports require engagement in combat as a sport
>>214950157it's a little gay pets be honest
>>214958598whos your favourite competitive tagger? i'm a taggie too.
>>214950797I would watch that, he's like a cartoon character in this movie.
whats lil jose gonna d-- ACK
>>214960107... and then literally one fight later. wakanda forever
>>214956904>the legend killer
I like ufc but Dana white is a faggot I can’t stand him
It's about disabling drawing non combat positions. We have a clear example in boxing, ref break them apart when the clinch becomes a stall hugfest.
