>is the best sci-fi show in your're path
>>214953090DS9 was better
>>214953123no one who has seen both shows has this opinion. DS9 is bootleg b5 and a literal plagiarized copy
>>214953123fpbp
>>214953090Didn't JMS ruin Spider-Man?
>>214953090 pic unrelated
>>214953090Star TOS, TNG, and DS9 are all better in my opinion. I like Babylon 5, but its fixation on its serial narrative is kind of its undoing at times for as good as it is. Still love Babylon 5, though. It's remarkable what it accomplishes. It's the kind of show you'd think would be more common now but is somehow even more rare.
>>214953489>its fixation on its serial narrative is kind of its undoing at times for as good as it is.How? It's much better than the shows you mentioned, where even decent episodes need to have a B plot involving the random bad guy of the week repeated x100 times
>>214953137I love both more or less equallyBabylon 5 is more unique and has more dramatic storytelling, but it's a compromised work, season 4 cuts the shadow war short, giving it a sudden and unsatisfactory ending and season 5 is nearly all filler.B5 also looks and feels cheap in comparison to DS9 and much of the acting is bad, with a few great performances doing all the heavy lifting (and they are very great)DS9 on the other hand is far more polished, and it's overall quality in terms of acting and technical aspects is higher, but it's writing is more mundane but still good, it's also a complete and uncompromised work that only gets better as it goes on, which counts for a lot.Basically B5 reaches for true greatness and doesn't quite make it, but the effort is admirable anyway while DS9 is content at being merely very good and succeeds at exactly that.
>>214953794>far more polishedwho cares? only writing and acting matter
>>214953090Really need more videogames and mods about this kino
>>214953137DS9 was first and did it better.
Basedbylon 5
>>214953090Why is only the OG series any good? Otherwise the show felt like playing a space game
>>214954123DS9 isn't star trek it's a space soap operaB5 is a space opera separate from star trek
>>214953908aside from Peter Jurasik and Andreas Katsulas the acting in Babylon 5 is atrocious
>>214954123DS9 was not first. This has all been documented and the info is available online. JMS showed his script to Paramount, they declined, and then very quickly began their own show that was extremely similar.
op here i posted the wrong image, sorry
>>214953090>DS9 but no budget and reddit-tier writing
>>214953090You posted the wrong image. Let me help you.
>>214954652ok and who is a good actor in DS9? list is almost as short
>>214954757having actual character arcs, foreshadowing and long-form plot threads is reddit writing? damn
>>214954801>>214954740With talk like that I'm gonna kick your ass with a staff and then make you join some Alliance or something
>>214954911forgot to mention that im trans
>>214954818Avery BrooksMarc AlaimoLouise FletcherBut the baseline of acting in DS9 is much higher than B5All the Earthforce people are basically daytime TV tierThe only DS9 main castmember who isn't good is Terry Farrel, but she's fine and has other good features, even Cirroc Lofton does a good job as Sisko's kid
>>2149550303 good actors vs 2 good actors, who cares?marc alaimo's acting is wasted on a character with no real arc that just gets character assassinated by the awful writingb5 actually has novel-tier character arcs
>>214955030>Louise FletcherOnly good person on that list.If you didn't hate her you didn't watch ds9
>>214955109ok but DS9 has one bad actor vs most of the cast on B5The acting on DS9 is so good that the few bad actors stick out like sore thumbs, examples being Vedek Bareil and Keiko O'brien
>>214953090It's a tough job but someone has to do it. Thank you for being the light shining the way.
>>214954068Mass Effect is heavily inspired by B5
>>214953137>DS9 is bootleg b5 and a literal plagiarized copyYes and Oreos are knockoffs of Hydrox, but they're better.
>>214953090>you're pathno I'm not
>>214955260Having this as the final shot of the show followed by vignettes of the studio crew, the characters' first and last appearances on the show, and all with the swelling music is truly powerful. Can't think of a more emotionally evocative ending in TV.
>>214953183Yes. Even his "good" Spider-Man era is shit
>>214953090Farscape and DS9 are, actually.
>>214955677Farscape is just camp. May as well say TOS is a great show.DS9 is Dollar General B5, we've already been over this.
>>214953090I liked DS9. Is B5 good?
>>214955804It's DS9 except imagine if the Dominion War was the entire show and it was slowly built up over 3 seasons and if the main characters actually had good arcs
>>214955804If you ever asked yourself>why are all these starfleet people assholes?While watching Star Trek ds9 then you might like B5 more than ds9
>>214955109The cast of DS9 is generally competent, while the cast of B5 are like actors in a high school play
>>214953123FPBP as usual
>>214956173G'kar and Londo are better actors than any on DS9 though. And B5 is a space opera, acting only needs to be serviceable.
>>214954740>>214954801>talking about scifi>retards bring up wacky reddit showgenuinely one of the worst shows i've ever watched. don't post this shit again.
>>214956216Garak? Odo? Dukat?
>>214956257Don't forget Weyoun
>>214954740>>214954801If Claudia Black pulls a Lucy Lawless in the new Spartacus show I'm going to be diamonds
>>214956257>Garak? Odo? Dukat?Even if these actors may be better in a vacuum, the character development all 3 of these characters receive doesn't even encompass one of the two characters I mentioned, let alone both. Thus there is less range for the actors to act in due to the poverty of DS9's writing
>>214956238This is ironically the most reddit post in the entire thread
>>214956276ah yes thank you
>>214956314you're just moving the goalposts now
>>214956314sorry bro but odo's character arc mogs londo's. not g'kars obviously, but londo for sure. liked both shows but ds9 as a whole is better. BUT, b5 had higher highs.
>>214956290Funny you say that. When I looked up claudia black I didn't see any ai generated porn of her like I did Claudia Christian. Maybe she isn't as hot as you think
>>214953600Oof, there is no resplonsing to this.
>>214956400There is a need.
>>214954740That show degenerates into a female-focused soap opera by season 4, then just when you've had enough gets a bit interesting again at the end.Still top kino.
>>214956395season 1 odo is the grumpy copfinal season odo is the grumpy cops1 londo is a profligate, jaded bureaucrats5 londo is a repentant flesh-puppet>>214956386a mediocre actor playing hamlet will outperform an excellent actor playing Duke Orsino
>>214953794>much of the acting is badTrying way too hard, you should have used smaller bait.
>>214956503Black is anorexic and used goodsChristian's only flaw is that her father is a rabbi, which also means you marry into money
>>214953123what a bad first post
>>214953794>DS9 on the other hand is an uncompromised work that only gets better as it goes on>oh no we made our villain's goals and charisma far more relatable to the audience and they are rooting for him even though he's supposed to be a stand in for hitler we have to lobotomize him so the audience knows that he's the bad guyBabylon 5 soared to the limits of the universe while ds9 literally sunk to the depths of hell at the end. Defending it is laughable, there is no further discussion that can be had your level of understanding of the themes of both shows is pitiful.
>>214954123Why do trekcels have to constantly lie? I love star trek but fans like you make me regret it.
>>214956553>missed the entirety of odo's character arcNGMIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-VvqbpLnL0
>>214955109>3 good actors vs 2 good actors, who cares?Why are you playing along with and accepting his false narrative. There are countless amazing performances in the show.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9v1jJ_ATec...kino.
>>214956757B5 also had bester. So they had 2 bad guy characters who were far more sympathetic than gul dookie>>214956859Koenig doesn't have much range
>>214956859I could post examples all day long. The entire show is filled with stellar performances. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GOHqe0vokU
>>214956915An embarrassment of riches.
>Garibaldi>Franklin>Delenn>Lennier>Vir>Lyta>Talia>Even the MAIN character(s)Too many shit characters play by SHIT actors. I'm sorry, but G'kar can only carry this slop so far.
>>214956786Watching ds9 for quark and odo is like watching voy for the borg and the doctor or tng for data and the doctor or tos for spock and the doctor or ent for hoshi and the doctor.B5 doesn't have a "and the doctor" problem
>>214956943
How unemployed do you need to be to enjoy Babylon 5? It has the worst 5 episodes of any show I've ever seen. I have no idea why people talk shit about Star Trek season 1 when Babylon 5 season 1 exists.
For me? It's BSG.
>>214956859If I read that in his voice, can I still block him or is it too late?
Every Babylon 5 fan I've ever met has been the most dysgenic beta leftist you could imagine. Also, incidentally every SG1 fan has been a MAGA chad. Not saying that's how it is for all of them necessarily, I just notice things.
>>214956943Even the nogs bring their A game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqSP2bmfSjw
>>214957125I love Stargate and I'm a dysgenic beta leftist. Let's meet up and see what else you noootice.
>>214957145>racist retardwrong board. we like franklin and sisko here.
>>214956943This was a very embarrassing scene. Including the flashback showed a total lack of faith in the audience, and it robs the moment of its impact.
>>214957164You have genuine brain damage if you think I was hating on franklin. Never respond to me again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaSmassvv4w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IehQQ7KUXhU
>>214957190>calls him a racial slur>b-b-but i like himactually retarded kek
>>214957214I call my south American gf a sudaca all the time. I guess I must hate her. NiggerDs9 sucks
>>214957214go back
>>214957214You have the blackest soul in this thread. I would rather live around a billion franklins than one of you.
Even the one off characters knock it out of the park. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbvqxZmTGLc
>>214957295this guy was so dope
These two scenes have more pathos than all of DS9 combined. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzJaQtZty5Mhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNaykftl5bY
>>214957125>SG1 vs B5How does that even work? How do you say such retarded comparisons?
>>214953123>slavery was 600 years ago and my race hasn't felt discrimination for hundreds of years but i just HATE WHITE PEOPLE FOR SLAVERYds9 swerved straight into wokery with this STUPID shit, plus dykes everywhere
>>214954911i hate andromeda so bad i blocked why i hate it from memory. i remember he was shooting kids or something and i concluded he was an absolute fucking retard and stopped watching. it was already really fucking boring, then it got stupid
>>214955600Endings are almost impossible to get right, that's why they are so memorable when they pull it off. Even if the entire show was shit just for pulling off a great ending it would be remembered. But it wasn't shit, it was great 80% of the time, good 10% of the time, bad 10% of the time and still made it to the finish line and scored the winning goal. Meanwhile if you put a gun to my head I couldn't tell you a thing about what happened in the final ds9 episode. Was that the one when satan mecha hitler fell into the lava pit? I guess that is the only moment I remember.
>>214956684Claudia Black's voice will never become used. She could be 80 and I'd still let her.
>>214956290Claudia will be show titties soon in House of Ashur
>>214957462>i remember he was shooting kids or somethingDo you often dream about living in the USA?
>>214953600When you commit to a strict outline it makes it harder to improvise. There are a number of conspicuous places where the story had to shift to accommodate some outside development, and while it handles it better than a lot of series would have it's still not always that convincing. Committing to an outline also meant certain plots/characters that always kind of sucked weren't abandoned or attenuated when they should have been.
>>214955827thats a BAD sell dude>>214957125>Also, incidentally every SG1 fan has been a MAGA chadthat is correct. do NOT watch stargate universe. it is anti-stargate. you know the whole moral dilemma behind goauld? how jack would rather die than be controlled by a tokra? yeah just steal bodies left and right in sgu. even approved BY jack. people literally steal a body and go clubbing and fucking in this persons body. its also just full of sociopaths. i think they tried to make it "realistic", but people are not baseline evil like all those fucks unless theyre niggers or kikes. stargate origins is woke trash >hah cause nazi badno, cause arab faggots kissing in 1930. also, catherine worthless useless girlboss who makes everything objectively worse with her outbursts. AND cause nazi bad.
>>214957560Please let it be so. Need it so frelling bad.
>>214957181As a zoomer you wouldn't get it since you only know the world of entertainment through steaming services. But for people who actually saw the show when it was airing there were years between those scenes. Sure technically for the ultra nerds who never missed an episode it would have been fine but a vast majority of the audience would not have remembered that moment. There's nothing wrong with it when you understand the context of the medium.
>>214957567episode 3 apparently is as much andromeda as i could stomach. also, firefly is the most BORING shit
>>214957422When your captain sucks cock what do you expect?
>>214957638You forget this is Babylon 5 we're discussing. Even back in the nineties, only ultra nerds were watching this.
>>214957657youre right
>>214957669My boomer bible thumping parents watched it and they couldn't even operate a computer at the time. They were in fact not nerds.
do you stupid assholes recommend battlestar galactica?if you liked ANY startrek ds9 forward, any stargate after atlantis, firefly, andromeda, then this question is NOT for you.
>>214957757Sure, it's one of the big sci fi shows, it's not like scifi fans have a glut of choice. Beggers can't be choosers. The first season is great, the second season is pretty good, everything after is extremely controversial and personally I did not care for it but even if the story falls apart the acting is good and the space combat scenes are phenomenal.
>>214957533>voiceJust watch Graham Norton if you like her voice so much faggottv
>>214957757But who made that painting? We don't see any brown marks on the canvas, but the woman in frame has shit smeared everywhere
>>214957853what about the original? i avoided TOS but after exhausting all of star trek (at the time) i gave it a shot and i ended really liking it a lot. if old battlestar is similar to that, please let me know
>>214958016Sorry I never watched it can't help you there.
>>214957983>womanTake a closer look at that painting
>>214957860>sultry Australian vixen>Irish boomer fagYou think these are the same?
>>214958216It's 2025. Women can have testicles now, grandpa. Get with the times.
>>214955529wtf that's not how he spelled it
>>214958263You've heard one UK accent you've heard them all
>>214957757it's top tier. though a few episodes should be skipped.
>>214958669The sound you make when kicked in the mivonks is higher pitched.
>>214958772You've heard one UK accent you've heard them all
>>214953123First post best post.
>>214953090It's a good second but that spot belongs to Farscape.
>>214953090>you'reThat's very cute. And since I have an issue with that I must be NEW. KYS
>>214958928Perennial cope, you will always be second place and that makes you seethe.
Greenfags getting uppity again.
>>214953123fpbp. B5 is just ok.
>>214958766>though a few episodes should be skippedthats true for all scifi
>>214959052Met a purple irl once. They are literally worse than skubfags
>>214953090fucking gaydr who mogs allfollowed by Star Trek OG Series
>>214957080Too late.
>>214959186If you value your life, be somewhere else. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtNtw2HTFtA
>>214957757This meme will never be funny.>>214957983Thot who goes by the screen name of allhailnely>>214958216It's an edit.>>214958398I know you're joking, but there are actual people who believe that.
>>214959523We still can't tell who made the painting, but I think I have an idea...
>>214959235yes but even the skip episodes are good. just not relevant
>>214959523shut up faggot
>>214959052>It's another "Ivanova makes peace between rival factions by having a gang bang" episode
>>214953123Lol imagine preferring Dollar store b5 over the actual thing, you are definitely brown
>>214957757The mini series is actually very good, but the rest is absolute shit that should be avoided at all costs.
>>214959850The sex dance was so cringe I have tried drilling holes in my head to block out the memory. Can't believe she went along with that. JMS is such a freak, it really is a miracle he managed to make one great thing. I pray to God he never gets a chance to remake the show like he's been trying.
>>214953090>5yloni've never heard of this is it good? do i have to watch the first 4?
>>214960050hyuk hyuk
>>214960050>do i have to watch the first 4?This is not clever. You actually look like a moron saying it pretending like the show doesn't acknowledge the other stations. Everything about them is clearly defined in the show.
>>214960106U mad?
>>214960106Sometimes I wonder if the Babylon 5 fandom is so small because so many of the Babylon 5 superfans are insufferable.
>>214960362Ironic considering seething trekcels started the thread with a shitpost. Your kind are so butthurt you can't let a single b5 thread go unmolested. It's embarrassing how insecure you are about it.
>>214960443>jumping at shadowsI'm in this thread because I like Babylon 5. Chill out.
>>214960443 >seething over a shitpostYou're proving his point
>>214960613>nooooo you can't call us out for being insufferable cunts and shitposting every b5 threadThat's not how it works.
>>214959837That statue is Les Trois Graces (The Three Graces), carved in 1831 by James Pradier. It is now in the Louvre. The deluded coomer spouting nonsense obviously found a manipulated image or made it himself.>>214960485Same as you.
