>he's not trans! He just despises his own identity!I don't get the difference
>>214967721He believes he is male. Therefore not trans.
>>214967721they are nonbinary actually
oh good, i reminder that in the past people hated trannies and though of them as psycho killers.
>>214967721>>214967733>>214967754This is what you get when you don't give a boy hormones at 9 years old
>>214967786most young trannies grow out of it if nobody affirms their delusions though, I have a few friends that called themselves trans as teens but all of them detransitioned
>>214967754They literally are, notice all the trans shooters recently.
>>214967798What faggot circles do you inhabit
>>214967786derranged.
>>214967721Troons refuse to accept that they are mentally ill. He's more open to the concept.
>>214967721He was transtrans
>>214967798Are they all fags now though?
>>214967721Lector would correctly diagnose most trannies today as not actually trans. Being the greatest psychologist in the world Lector independently developed the concept of truscum in the 90s. Buffalo Bill, like the average overly online tranny, was not longingly lingering in the barbie aisle in toy stores as a kid. He's a fucking loser who got convinced becoming someone else would fix his life.
>>214967721I never understood that "hes not a REAL troon" line, of course it was just cope so that they wouldn't have fags protesting the movie but they barely explain it, he literally just acts completely like a troon.
>>214968150Never heard of drag queens?
>>214967721a great big fat person wrote this post
Look no matter what I think the past few years have shown us that transsexuals are passive and nonviolent, just like Clarice says
>tucks his dick between his legs as a symbolic gesture>wants to skin a woman to make a woman suit to be a womanyeah, really hard to tell what they were trying to say on this one.
>>214968169except Hannibal says that Bill tried to get the dick chop surgery and got denied by the clinic due to being a schizo, so he didn't just want to dress as one. Funnily enough that line to make it seem less transphobic just makes the movie more critical of troons because it implies that "he's not a tranny, just mentally unwell", which is basically the entire argument against troon ideology in the current day
>>214968150He's a man. He also is mentally unstable and kills women to wear their skin like a woman would wear a dress. The only aspect of him being a tranny is that he's mentally unstable. So if trannies think that's what he is then they need to accept that being a tranny is a mental illness.
>>214968207Good take
>>214968150You must be young. No one would have noticed this shit when it came out. Certainly no one would have been boycotting it in large loud numbers
>>214968150t. sub 70 iq
>>214968301No they complained at the time. They complained about everything, Basic Instinct, The Lion KingThis was the 90's when Political Correctness was in
>>214968301LGBTniggers literally protested outside the oscars ceremony when it was cleaning up the awards.
>>214968301anything pre 2005 was very anti gay. people are stupid and dont remember the good times when we didnt have to deal with these obnoxious people. i can remember the 90's people would openly hate gays in public.
>>214968301>>214968396>But, in the midst of Oscars season, ACT UP and Queer Nation made sure their objections to Silence of the Lambs (and the gay killer played by Tommy Lee Jones in JFK), were heard via a loud protest outside the Academy Awards ceremony with chants of “Hey, hey! Ho, ho! Homophobia has got to go!,” a round of heckling directed at Foster (“Quick, get out of the closet. There’s a big moth in there.”), and multiple arrests. It was the culmination of more than a year’s worth of discomfort that had been building since the film’s release. Earlier in 1991, GLAAD had spoken out against the homophobia they perceived in the portrayal of Jame Gumb, the serial killer played by Ted Levine who kidnaps women to skin them for their flesh in an attempt to make a wearable suite of female flesh.
>>214968150It's basically a precursor to the HSTV/AGP theory. He's saying there are real trannies and crazed delusional gooners. Since then the crazed delusional gooners have become the 99% majority of trannies and it's become clear the "real trannies" are just fags into straight guys.
>>214967733So he's less retarded than the average troon, but just barely
>>214967754I don't even need to remember that. That's right now and from now on.
>>214967721High functioning autism vs low functioning autism
>>214968150Hannibal says he's tried to 'be a lot of things'. He dated the fatties, dated men, wanted to be a woman and ultimately settled with just having a woman skin suit.He never felt like he belonged to any one group/sex/gender so he became a tourist.
>>214968602I read the book so long ago I don't remember the details. Wasn't there also something to do with his mother?
>>214968512doesnt disprove my point. any time before the late 2000's were extrememly intolerant against gays and hollywood or the entertianment industry didnt fear backlash of sassy pronoun fags on twitter.
>>214968622They really weren't that intolerant. Like >>214968512 shows the gay groups were just loudly bitching back then too. They make it sound the the decade with filled with rednecks dragging everyone else behind their pickup trucks.
>>214967733he dances while tucking his cock between the legs faking to have a vagina..
>>214968512The movie wasn't homophobic in the least.
>>214968678you mean everyone doesn't do that?
>>214968150It's confusing with current trans ideology, I don't know what it was in the 90s. When Lecter says he's not a transexual, he only believes that he is, 100% of wokefaggots today would rebut "if he believes he's a heckin woman then he is". Guess it just goes to show that they really wouldn't let just any random loser rock up to a clinic and cut their balls off on a whim. Actual transexuals are pretty rare and the rest are just pornbrained gooners like Bill who want to fuck themselves.
>>214968620I was referencing the movie:>"Billy is not a real transsexual. But he thinks he is. He tries to be. He's tried to be a lot of things, I expect."He also says:>"Our Billy wasn't born a criminal; he was made one through years of systematic abuse."I think they were just throw away lines put in to avoid pissing off the trannies.
>>214967803those are cis black people identifying as white trans peoplehttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7PJZaENcBjg
>>214968652how naive. ignoring oppression was always the biggest struggle of the homosexual community. california was always progressive with gays, being the first state in 2008 to legalize gay marriage. 5 years before it was recognized by the entire country in 2013. before that time gays were heavily oppressed and surpressed in the entertainment industry. you must be a zoomer, totally ignorant of the past and trying to make some crap argument for the spread and acceptance of homosexuality.
normal people in the 80's were afraid to make non sexual contact with gay people because they thought they would catch aids.
>>214968725Up until the early 2010s you could only get on the tranny healthcare if you had been been living as a transvestite full time for years AND if you were attracted to men (because psychologists thought that if you were a straight man who liked women then you'd become a straight woman who likes men when transitioned).This is the trve redpill about the sudden explosion of degenerate troon coomers porn addicts in the past decade. They took away the safeguards against those types. So in the 90s it wouldn't have been confusing because the only people who would have been able to become trannies were Hunter Schafer types who were basically just hypereffeminate fags who like it in the ass. By the medical standards of up until fairly recently shrinks would have declared Bill a deranged pervert. Hannibal is basically saying there's no such thing as a troon lesbian or girldick.
>>214967721If someone has gender dysphoria they genuinely believe they were born the wrong gender so they transition to become their "correct" gender. If someone just hates themselves and their life they may transition, not because they actually think they're the wrong gender but because they think it gives them a second chance at life.
>>214967721Today he would be the hero fbi agent
>>214968792No, I'm an old fart that was around in the 90's when people were bitching just like they are now. The rhetoric isn't different it just got louder and louder, that's why everyone is so sick of it at this point.Your rhetoric, for example. Heard it all before. I'll hear it again. 20, 40, 60 years from now. We'll never stop hearing it.
>>214968725Because he was not a real transexual. An actual tranny at the time had to go the full monty, i.e. cut your dick off. The rest were simple crossdressers. Gumb in the book attempted to become a tranny through SRS at Johns-Hopkins. JH was the only place in the US at the time that you could get SRS, and "gasp" you had to undergo extensive psychological evaluation before they would agree to move forward with it. He failed the exam to become a tranny, so he started murdering fat bitches to make a skin suit. The John Hopkins angle was a big thing in the book because that's how they found him.>>214968744No one gave a shit about trannies when this movie was released. There were just tags and drag queens. To be an actual tranny, you had to do it the John Hopkins way back in the day.
>>214968869see>>214968744Bill does think he has gender dysphoria.
>>214968869Gender dysphoria is just “gender bad feeling”, which Hannibal certainly has
>>214968744>I think they were just throw away lines put in to avoid pissing off the trannies.Yeah, I agree. The movie is very liberal. That's why despite the subject matter they all loved it at Oscar time.
>>214968792Thank you man Anthony Fauci for terrifying everyone by saying the AIDS could be spread by close contact instead of only "intimate" contact for almost a whole decade.
He wasn’t a really tranny because he didn’t cut his dick off. Boomers still think all trannies cut their dicks off even now. I told my dad about girlcock and he said I was parroting rightwing propaganda
>>214968725Believing yourself to be transsexual isn’t the same thing as believing you are the opposite sex. Not sure why this is difficult.
>>214969114Have any of you faggots read the book? They explicitly make him out to be a deranged tranny wannabe. How crazy do you have to be that the only people that were cutting dicks off in the medical community say you're too crazy to cut your dick off.
>>214968853Vanderbilt University in Nashville has a pediatric hospital which includes treating behavioral issues in children. Almost 50 years ago any male child that acted up in class was referred and put on Ritalin. But it didn't stop there. Vanderbilt University is one of the top hospitals in the country for gender reassignment surgery including medications, surgery and life time ongoing medical care. So they are involved when children are young. Told you aren't crazy just in the wrong body. Prescribed drugs to remedy your bad hand dealt at birth and graduate to cutting off tits, installing a penis and cutting off penises. Its an assembly line and billions to be made. There are medical specialist degrees that treat only trans patients.
>>214969131but-but trust the science
>>214968840Gays in the 80s would walk around with oozing skin lesions they’d constantly scratch.
>>214969148and the trannys still complained in real life. what's your point? >>214968512
>>214969144>Not sure why this is difficult.because you are a tranny and constructed a fantasy in your mind that has no basis in realityit's like a communist asking "why is it so difficult to believe that if you talk to corn you'll get two harvests a year?" they didn't get'em and there were famines
>>214969169Making grandiose unverified claims before peer-review isn’t “science.”
>>214969180remember a few years ago when Monkeypox came out and gay people were catching it in record numbers and everyone hushed up about it real fast.fun times
>>214968840All because Anthony Fauci wanted to slang AZT for this pharma masters and Robert Gallo wanted a Nobel Prize.
>>214969214but-but-but the science
>>214969212>if you understand a distinction between two things you are both of those things So it’s either low iq or just hard cognitive dissonance.
>>214969220It silenced because the only people infected were children and pets of male gay couples.
Me two health management became “if they’re not hurting anyone, leave them alone” and “empty the asylums”Great idea, now most people are fucking nuts and pass that shit on to their kids and anyone around them.
>>214967754>>214967803Wait til you find out what other things our elders have always known and tried to warn us about, but modern society brainwashes us to forget.
>>214967733He definitely does not. Harris makes in very, very clear that this dude wants to be a woman.>murders bitches to make a woman skin suit>only starts skinning bitches after he's rejected by John Hopkins for sexual reassignment surgery >dresses like a woman and tucks his dick at home
>>214968840Ever have an aids infected person sneeze near you. Most frightening shit in the world.
>>214969088In the movie, Hannibal says:>"There are three major centers for transsexual surgery - Johns Hopkins, University of Minnesota, and Columbus Medical Center. I wouldn't be surprised if Billy had applied for sex reassignment at one or all of them and been rejected."Even back then trannies were a thing.
>>214969244are we back to "can you define what is a woman?" debates? how would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast this morning?
>>214969424>Even back then trannies were a thing.no... but tranny surgeries and tranny propaganda were indeed!it's a side effect of the industrial production of medical doctors who have no choice in the matter of their practice so they go insane (if they weren't psychopaths in the first place)and if that's the case in a free country like the USA, imagine the state of "communist" and "post-communist" countries...
>>214968754>At least it's not a Russian.
>>214969039remake when?
>>214969424Do you understand how hard it was to become a tranny when the book was written? Ironically, Johns Hopkins doesn't do SRS anymore despite it being "normalized".
back in the day, san fransico was a sanctuary city for gay people. because normal people would shun them. >>/lgbt if you catch my drift.
>>214969424They were. But they were rightfully seen as transvestites or extreme fringe cases of gender dysphoria. Often viewed as comedic relief or disgusting when they got vocal. There were probably like 5000 total in the western world.Now because of a few factors there are millions and they are depicted as a marginalised but totally natural and not mentally ill community that’s “always been here.” Often with corroborative diagnosis like autism, Asperger’s and lifestyle trends like lack of physical fitness, irl socialising, hormone levels, diet and economic conditions. White boys groomed online on the spectrum, because of how modern women are perceived and treated.I have spoken with several doctors and mental health specialists. It’s a sunk cost fallacy on a massive scale because they know if they’re turn around and say “we’ve committed mass malpractice and destroyed lives above even the opioid epidemic, adhd scare and lobotomies, it would mean taking responsibility and being accountable. Something the medical field rarely does when money is to be made.
>>214968678HE FOUND CAPTAIN WINKY!
people trying to distinguish the nuances of the gay mental disorders as if its the difference of wineVSit wrong. me no like.
>>214969582Seems accurate, as most of the places that did SRS at the time required you to meet very specific criteria for consideration and undergo EXTENSIVE psychological evaluation for years before places like Johns Hopkins would agree to do it.
>>214969443Were at “anyone who knows anything about anything is a tranny” because you’ll never leave there
>>214969368Vampires are slightly exaggerated Jews.
>>214969547It became a gay city because that’s where the pacific fleet would dump its dishonorable discharges, read: faggots
>>214969666It’s the distinction between being something, believing you’re something, and just wanting to be something. This is only difficult if you’re stupid/ESL
>>214969722You had to pass a nunber of psych evaluations, get the breast surgery for a certain number of months before they'd consider doing the bottom, etc.Doctors need to pay for their boat houses and mistresses somehow!
>>214969852that sounds like a very slav/asian attitude>how could you think of that anon arent u ashamed??anyway, my original point contradicting you that there is a difference between a tranny believing he/she is a tranny or believing he/she is the opposite sex... if there was, and he/she believed he/she was a tranny, she was probably 5 minutes from ack'ing him/herself
>>214967721Buffalo Bill is a fictional character written in a specific way to be as terrifying as possible. Whether or not this character is transgender is irrelevant. I can't believe I have to point out that the FICTIONAL CRIMES of this FICTIONAL CHARACTER is not somehow indicative of the lived experiences of actual and real transgender peopleI hate this fucking timeline so goddamn much. I don't give a fuck what you or the government call me, I don't care if my beliefs about identity do not align with yours, I just want to live my life in peace and tranquility. I fucking despise that random pro trans activists saying dumb shit in front of a camera and soulless cynical right wing grifters have now made my mere existence likely to wind me up in a concentration camp, forced psychological hold, or something even worse. Fuck me. I work almost 70 hours a week and don't bother a single other person. When I work my shift at 7-11 I actually have productive political conversations with random people on the right. I see legitimate criticisms are due on the left but where I break with the right is that I don't believe arguments about the semantics of "he" "she" "they" or whatever other nonsense justifies the crackdown on trannies. I just want to keep my beautiful hair and have more effective emotional regulations instead of slowly turning into a hairy, pissed off and miserable ape.
>>214970457You won't bother anyone until one day you do.
>>214970718That is a completely meaningless and empty phrase.>You won't bother anyone until one day you do.Could just as easily applied to you, anonymous. It's like saying >People won't get wet from the rain until one day they do. No shit. Nothing happens until maybe one day it does. What sick own are you trying to get at here?
>>214970718In reality, this retard bothers people every fucking day. The vast majority of people are nice enough not to say anything. I don't care for trannies and think they are fucking weirdos, but I am not going to go out of my way to harass some mentally ill retard out grocery shopping. If you want to be a weird fuck, go for it. I don't give a shit. However, I reserve my right to think you're a fucking weirdo and firmly believe there should be zero legislation around codifying your rights to be a degenerate tranny. No one is discrimination at you because you are a tranny, they are discriminating against you because 99.9% of the population think you're mentally ill as biology intended
>>214967721I watched this movie specifically because of this pic since he looks hot and kinda like Dennis from Always Sunny and I was shocked and repulsed to see he wasn't attractive but an ugly m*sculine m*le
>>214967721If Hannibal didn't make the distinction some faggots would get upset.
>>214970457your problem is you're not a chud or at least an edgelord so you're a moralfag. also hurts because you're probably naturally ugly+masculine so you had to make an effort to look pretty and feminine lol. I grew up on this website so nothing phases me at all and I'm quite like Niragi from Alice in Borderland but I've got a natural hormone imbalance (possibly intersex but fuck doctors) so I just look like a girl facially and my voice is somewhere inbetween so I don't have to make an effort at all. being left wing and trans is like being a sailor who likes to poke holes in his own boat for fun. you've gotta toughen up or you won't make it, hate the groups who deserve to be hated before you move on to "rightoids" who will maybe possibly potentially discuss a bill to put all trans people in a camp in the year 2030.
>>214967721>>he's not trans! He just despises his own identity!a psycho killer says that in the movie. why do people treat is like the absolute truth?he doesn't even have his psychiatrist's license anymore
>>214970890The theme of all these books is "unnatural transformation".>Silence of the Lambs - dude wants to be a tranny so bad he makes a skin suit to pretend >Red Dragon - Francis Dolarhyde is obsessed with changing his victims through mutilation >Hannibal - Lecter feeds Starling a shit load of hypnotic drugs to mold her into his sister that Nazis made him eat and absconds with her to South America. Also feeds child molester Mason Verger a shitload of LSD and convinces him to cut his face off and feed it to his dog to transform his appearance to reflect the monster he was inside
>>214970794Oh okay so you get civil rights because you're the "correct" form of a human being and I don't because....I kind of look weird? Does this logic really follow for you? I consider hating another person for any reason to be a mental disorder but I don't think you deserve to have your rights stripped, your medicine taken away from you, or that you deserve to be sent to a mental asylum. So why do you think that I do?>However, I reserve my right to think you're a fucking weirdoGreat, you do you man live your best life>and firmly believe there should be zero legislation around codifying your rights to be a degenerate trannyWell you're in luck because there aren't any legislation, never were, and it was unlikely any special protections were about to be inplemented anyways. I just want access to medicine I deem important to the quality of my life and not be defined as a terrorist because I occasionally wear the "wrong" format of cotton, denim, and cloth. In the current funding bill which is the cause of the shutdown there is a de facto trans medicine ban, forbidding federal funding of ANY clinic which provides HRT or other sex assignment surgery such as a boobjob, SRS, or FFS. Since 99.9% of all medical clinics depend on federal funding for a significant portion of their business via Medicare and Medicaid, this is just a naked attempt to ban people from transitioning, federally. How is that justified? What have I, personally, done to deserve this?>>214970972I'm not a lefty. I'm just me. I don't allow arbitrary labels to define me. I wish I was more androgynous but unfortunately I am not. You want an award for being smug that you got what you want and I didn't or something? >who will maybe possibly potentially discuss a bill to put all trans people in a camp in the year 2030.Do you really not see the danger of the fact that there literally already are camps built and that the fact that conservatives are actively arguing for that reality to come to pass?
>>214971125lol, I'm not american so it doesn't mean a thing to me! i do have blue eyes and I'm not a thirdie though. nobody can get me in anything because on all of my documentation I'm male and I just look very very pretty. so they can't do shit ^^. you've gotta wise up my friend.
>>214969924interesting thanks I learned something interesting today
>>214967721i call trannies buffalo bills
>>214969379He wants to BECOME a woman. He doesn’t believe he is a real woman.
>>214971231If you think that will in any way protect you from the coming global shit storm, i fear you are woefully mistaken my friend.
>>214971125You get all kinds of rights, tranny. Like the right to be a freak if you want. It's also my right to think you're a freak. I shouldn't be on the hook for paying for weirdos' kinks. Medicare shouldn't cover your elective surgery to become a freak. Pretty simple. Consider if you were living in 99% of other places on earth, you would be thrown off a building or stoned to death.
>>214968150>I never understood that "hes not a REAL troon" lineBasically a trigger warning, 90's were woke af
>>214971263Tranny mental gymnastics are hilarious.
>>214971310Hannibal literally says he isn’t a true transsexual. It’s not mental gymnastics
>>214971331>Hannibal literally says he isn’t a true transsexual1.it's one guy's opinion, one psycho's opinion, he never even talked to the guy how can he diagnose him2. by 1988 standards majority of 2025 trans people would never be considered trans either
>>214967803You mean the handful over the past decade
>>214971279>Medicare shouldn't cover your elective surgery to become a freak. It's not. Did you read my post? They are attempting to defund clinics which do those services not because they are using Medicaid funds for those services directly, but because they do them at all. No tax dollars are being spent to support transition. It's just collective punishment.>Consider if you were living in 99% of other places on earth, you would be thrown off a building or stoned to death.Oh THANK YOU sir, thank you thank you for not murdering me for wearing the wrong format of clothing or having long hair and soft skin. What a privilege it is to live in this country, you're right. Praise Donald Trump, praise tariffs crashing the economy, praise our Perfect And Special Martyr Charlie Kirk, and praise congress unilaterally deciding who gets to be a full human and who doesn't. You know karma will come around for you too when they finally consolidate the Seven Mountains right? And then again when our country gets it's shit pushed in like Germany 80 years ago.>>214971310>>214971331>>214971375Buffalo Bill is a fictional character written by someone who does not understand gender dysphoria or trannies and was doing so from a point of view dated to the late 20th century.
>>214971331>Wants to become a woman>Applies to have SRS and is rejected>Dresses like a woman, tucks his dick>Skins women and sews them into a woman suit to wear because he can't get SRS>Stuffs deaths head moths into their mouths as a symbol of his transformation I invite you fags to read the books. This is a theme throughout the entire series of novels. And we should definitely take the word of a psychopath that eats people and has a weird semi-sexual fetish about his sister whom he also ate as a child.
>>214971449Hannibal is a bisexual icon. I trust him over some random anon.
>>214971435Thomas Harris was a journalist that extensively researched his books. He visited the Johns Hopkins SRS center for research. The character of Hannibal is based on Il Monstro, an Italian serial killer whom he wrote news articles about prior to writing Silence of the Lambs.
>>214967786Messi bros!
>>214971467>Bisexual iconThe only time there is a hint of a male sexual encounter in the books is when he tricks Mason Verger into thinking he's there to do gay shit in order to dose him and convince him to cut off his face and feed it to his dog
>>214971478Okay. I wasn't talking about Hannibal Lecter though. It's nice that he went and got a little educated on SRS but like it's not like Buffalo bill was downstream of that trip to John's Hopkins. The intent was to write a tranny murderer and then he went and scraped enough information about trannies to parrot talking points so he could write a novel
>>214971570If he was a true tranny (i. e. A sufferer of gender dysphoria) then he probably would have been approved for the surgery. That’s the point. He’s a delusional autogynephile
>>214970457Calm down, psycho. We don't need another shooting.
>>214971607AGP is a meme
>>214971570Pretty obvious that you haven't read the books and are too stupid to recognize there is an overarching theme between all of them. The entire series of books is about unnatural transformation. God forbid a tranny read anything
semi offtop but why are there self-proclaimed asexuals on twitter who do nothing but retweet porn? aren't they supposed to be not attracted to either sex?or is "asexual" just a leftist way to call yourself an incel?
>>214971676“Asexual” just means that you are on SSRIs. Seriously ask an asexual what meds they are on and it’s always some kind of antidepressant
>>214970842What the hell is wrong with you?
>>214971676Asexual is just one of those fake trendy labels like non-binary and pansexual
Why is this so confusing to people? This movie was made at a time where it was assumed the only legitimate transgenders were people who were clinically diagnosed with some kind of gender identity disorder and had sex surgery. Trans ideology has evolved since then to mean “anyone is a woman if they say they are.” Therefore this movie is outdated by our ridiculous current standards because Buffalo Bill would be considered a real woman by leftists today
>>214967754Qu'est-ce que c'est?
>>214971655I read a decent amount but no i have not read these particular books and I never really claimed toMy only argument is that Buffalo Bill is a fictional character and his experiences should not be used to try and understand real life trannies
