>trains the best company in the army>doesn't get anyone killed in combat>literally doesn't do anything wrong>gets slandered for the rest of history for not being good with maps or something
>>214968584He was a good teacher but a shit leader. Also, he failed at committing suicide
>>214968584>gets slandered for the rest of history for not being good with maps or somethingWE WERE ON A BREAAAAAAAAAAAAAAK
>>214968584I couldn't take him seriously because whenever he spoke i heard the giraffe from madagascar.
A man is not defined by the results he gets but by his attitude, and his was shitty.
>>214968584Isn't that an aviator jacket? Where did he stole it?
>>214968601He wasn't even a good teacher. Easy Company were good in spite of him. Being a martinet to cover up his deficiencies is a classic thing that incompetents do.
>>214968584>doesn’t get anyone killed in combatThat’s because they didn’t let him lead troops into combat. >for not being good with maps or something Land nav is extremely important, especially in the time before GPS Anyone who can look objectively can tell he was a great garrison officer, but a shit field commander.
>>214968584Because he looks macaroniNever trust a macaroni
>>214968890You didn’t hear Ross? Maybe you’re just a step younger than me.
FRIENDS was a Band of Brothers of sorts
>>214969789Joey covered Chandler when they thought they were getting shot at.
>>214968584Comedic actors should never play serious roles.
>>214968584HiHo Silver!
>>214969908Along those lines, it always bothered me seeing Jimmy Fallon out of nowhere as a cameo. Seemed so out of place. Then I learned that there was a guy who’s was a relative of Fallon’s who ran ammo and supplies back and forth all night and was decorated for it and Jimmy’s cameo was more about paying tribute than just to be in the show. He’s still an annoying fake fuck who can’t interview for shit though.
He was jewish and another victim of ambroses not questioning anything he was told
>>214968584all of the books written by the men who were in the company acknowledge that the shittiness of Sobel is what bonded them, and what likely helped them survive. Ambrose (who was a dogshit historian) is the one who seemed to have a vendetta against him for some reason
>>214968584He also misspelled court martial.
>>214969880False
>>214970098It's more likely alot of the slander comes directly from winters who was a notorious dickhead
>>214970098>AmbroseYou mean the proven hack that was full of shit?
>>214970128What happened then?>>214970159So besides saying people died who didn’t, what else did he get wrong?
>>214968584They should've kept him to train other companies. He was ace at playing his part.
>>214970129If you read the book winters never gave up the grudge, most of easy didn't but many begrudgingly respected sopel. But winters really hated being made mess hall officer because sopel couldn't figure out a map or a field exercise.
>>214968584That's just how it is in the military. The retards always outnumber the competent and they bond together and try to drag down anyone who is worth a damn
>>214970184He actually was part of the dday invasion
>>214970098One of the first things you should do as the incoming new CO of a unit is take them on a long, grueling field op. Not only does it give you a feel for where everybody stands readiness wise, but their shared hatred of you really brings the men together.
>>214970186He has a long list of dumb grudges, his ego was through the roof
You can tell how much of a walk in the park the western front was when soldiers did 0 amount of soldiering and had the luxury of crying about their commander for the rest of their lives instead of having to fight
>>214968584Sick jacket, sir.
>>214970212Every person in the armed forces has grudges against higher ups, there isn't anything about winters that makes him unique in that regard. The only reason to take that opinion is to play contrarian faggot on /tv/
>>214970228>t. guy who would have pissed his pantaloons and not made it out of the plane
>>214968584>actor excels in his role so much that he is never cast again because people identify him too strongly with his characterchandler won
>>214970228Maybe the less commies would've wound up ground beef if they'd been able to validly bitch about the retards in charge without getting shot and enact some change
>>214970228>0 amount of soldering
>>214970198Found the unit problem child.
>>214970301kek ruskies were nonstop seething about unit commanders, same as americansthey just weren't allowed to criticize stalin
>>214970302In fairness the NCOs who said they wouldn't be led by Sobel had only been in training
>>214968584>tries to kill himself>fails, instead blinds himself>starves himself to death in the hospitalYou don't do shit like that unless you know you were a fuckup in life
>>214970361How the fuck do you starve yourself to death in a hospitalThey can just put an IV drip
>>214970361>starves himself to death in the hospitalThat can only happen through neglect from staff. Your point still stands.
>sign up for special forces unit>omg the mean CO is training us too hard
So now that you guys got all the shitposting out of your system, BoB is worth a watch, right?
>>214970199On D-Day, Sobel parachuted into Normandy with the rest of the 101st Airborne Division as commander of the 506th's service company.[22] Immediately after landing, Sobel assembled four men and destroyed a German machine gun nest with grenades before joining the rest of the division near Carentan.[23
>>214970455>Immediately after landing, Sobel assembled four men and destroyed a German machine gun nest with grenadesSo literally the D-Day mission in Medal of Honor Allied Assault? Crazy
>>214970415>sign up for special forces unit>omg the mean CO is training us badlySpecial means good not retarded
>>214970470you're obviously special
>>214970452Yeah, but you can just skip the holocaust episode. It’s entirely made up for the show. The unit finding a concentration camp I mean, not making an overarching political statement here.
>>214968584He was a butthurt jewboy.
>>214970452its mostly nostalgia propaganda for the iraq war 2
>>214970470Nah, they have to be just the right amount of retarded to jump out of a perfectly good plane.
>>214970497I don’t think it was so much that as it was a “well we can’t make a saving private ryan 2” and “we need a pick me up after 9/11”
>>214970452It's fine, maybe a bit dated as it's literally made for people who were 80 years old in 2000, and their military show enjoyer boomer children.The first episode and the Bastogne medic episode are both great, the rest will mostly depend on how much you enjoy military fiction
>>214970535the first episode premiered before 9/11
>>214970490I usually skip it but let it ride on this summer's annual rewatch, it's annoying because it's actually a kino episodes besides, especially the Nixon stuff
>>214969908What about Robin Williams in Dead Poet's Society or Jim Carrey in The Truman Show?
>>214968890Of all the fucking characters to associate David Schwimmer with.
>>214969908>>214970579Robin Williams' best roles where One Hour Photo and Insomnia.
>>214968890kek same
>>214970560Really? Damn. Well there goes that part of the theory. I remember after 9/11 they started playing saving private Ryan on regular tv uncensored.
>>214969699I thought he was more of a spaghetti kind of guy
>>214968584>doesnt get anyone killed in combatDid he even take them into combat? Easy Company didn't want him leading them into combat for that reason
I still haven't finished BoB because schwimmer sucks>>214970619Good pics
>>214970675Dude he’s in like 1 episode
>>214970361No, intense pressure from others can induce suicidal feelings even if you are in the right or if what you did is not as big a deal as obsessed retards make it out to be. Not everyone can adapt a fuck the world attitude and continue living, like me. Some of them are sensitive souls.
>>214970452Yes. But over the years I've come to enjoy the Pacific more.
>>214970723I love the sledge episodes but i could never get into the other stuff
>>2149706922 and maybe 3 if you count a short scene when henry the 8th outranks him later
>>214968584Good trainer, shit tier leader
>>214968584Sobel was a Jew.A Jew can never lead Aryan men into combat.Winters and a cabal of Lieutenants made sure he got side lined."Salute the rank, not the man!"
>>214970749He's in like 30 minutes of one hour long episode and 30 seconds in two other episodes, it's not that bad, plus you're meant to hate him anyway
>>214969781Was that the giraffe's name?
>>214970308i wasn't, but i did see a couple of guys show up and within a week or two, they were universally disliked for reasons beyond my understanding. at times i felt like jane goodall trying to understand the social dynamics of a troop of chimpanzees
>>214970129>dickheadkek his first name is Dick!
>Tries killing himself>Fails and just goes blind>Lives for another decade or so, most of it in a home for veterans>Loses contact with his family>Dies of malnutrition >Nobody came to his funeralAbsolutely grim. He deserved better.
>>214970183Lt. Dike for example>Dike was awarded a second Bronze Star for his action at Bastogne, in which "he personally removed from an exposed position, in full enemy view, three wounded members of his company, while under intense small arms fire>During the assault, Carwood Lipton, at that time the company's first sergeant, described Dike as having "fallen apart." Clancy Lyall stated that he saw that Dike had been wounded in his right shoulder and that it was the wound, not panic, that caused Dike to stop. Dike survived the assault, and eventually returned to the rear in the company of a medic. Afterwards, he was transferred to 506th Regimental Headquarters to become an assistant operations officerA real historian could easily cross-check shit like that but instead he decided to blindly believe a few men who had their own very biased opinions.
>>214969989At least when Band of Brothers aired I had no idea who Jimmy Fallon was, so it had no impact on me. Wahlberg and Schwimmer were the two that always pulled me out of the illusion for a second, even though they both played their characters fantastic.
>>214971265This is the only major negative thing I can say about the show. It’s so well done and impactful, but it does it at times at the expense of real people who were in fact heroes. Dike had to endure and be brave through things we can’t possibly imagine, and he was portrayed 60 years later as a buffoon. Not a fair shake in my opinion.
>>214971265nigger, it's SUPPOSED to be an eyewitness account of the 101st airborne, not a wikipedia article.the fact that those geezers got some details wrong, omit some characters or can't recall every spoken sentence after 80 years doesnt matter.it was made with the clear intention to be a gritty and engaging war drama. authentic to those eyewitness accounts, not to factual reality.triple checking it by historians for factual errors wouldnt have improved the quality of the show at all. they got most of it right and thats what matters.its good that they took some movie making liberties to tell a better paced story. nobody really cares if sobel or dike really were timid pieces of shit, it works within the context of the show and makes for a better story
>>214968584Didn’t they determine that the only reason his company survived was because he forced them to do tons of extra PT as a punishment or some shit?
could the OP be anymore retarded
>>214970762Jews literally wrestled with angels dumbass.
>>214971523It’s not that they get minor details wrong, it’s that they character assassinated a guy whose bravery in the actual battle awarded him a Bronze Star and a Purple Heart. They didn’t have to portray Dike as completely incompetent.
>>214971523>Ambrose wrote of the finished product, "We have come as close to the true story of Easy Company as possibleCan you embarrass yourself any more?
>this is not dog company >this is not fox company >this is not cat company >this is not fish company >this is not hamster company
>>214968584Why does he sound like he has cum in his throat
>watch pacific>series itself tells you euroboys were pussies compared to those who had to fight the japs
>>214971782yes I know. my grandfather was in the Philippines invasion in 1944. he never did want to talk about it.
>>214969989>He’s still an annoying fake fuck who can’t interview for shit though.Still, the first part is to his credit. Good guy
>>214968890>zoomers watching series aired when they were still sucking their mother titJust stick to Youtube game reaction vids kiddo
>>214970098>Ambrose (who was a dogshit historian) is the one who seemed to have a vendetta against him for some reasonHe's the guy who accepted unverified anecdotes from American and German vets as the truth without fact checking anything.
>>214969781friends was always shit and if you ever watched it you're a sped
>>214968890this is not giraffe company
>>214968692In reality a lot of paratroopers did get lost after being dropped above Normandy.Not entirely their fault the planes were off course. And in days paras had to walk.
>>214971953t. was raised without white women in his life
>>214972520>no you dont understand i was simply FORCED to watch every seasoncuck
>>214970183He dove for his sandwich, covering Ross, Chandler was jealous. It doesn't matter your point was clear
>>214970361He's gods chosen person
>>214969696>Land nav is extremely important, especially in the time before GPSDo they teach land nav now?
>>214969699
>>214971706>this is not difficult company>this is not medium company
>>214971782>watch pacific>zero navy kinoits the only interesting part of that theater, the rest is "fighting" starving japs on isolated islands
>>214974081>navy>kino
>>214968584>doesn't get anyone killed in combatHe never saw any combat.
>>214968890Same
>>214968890I thought of him as the shady doctor who invented breast implants and that movie wanted me to think of him as "Ross from Friends".
>>214971866>I hate people that are younger than meOk who cares
>>214973641Any US enlisted can instinctively point to Israel from any location on Earth
>>214968890Juice...
>>214968584hate kikes, simple as
>>214970228How's Ukraine going Ivan?
>>214974081look everyone, it's a man who has sex with other men
>>214974566how do you know he's canadian? there's no flags on this board
Captain is an easy rank to attain for junior officersYou literally just need to stick around with good conduct aka not shitting on your enlisted men, shutting up when your NCO/SNCO talks and attending a specialist school related to your job in the militaryLts are basically privates with college/university degreesThe first great filter for officers is Major since it needs time, the first career blowjobs/crust busting/getting buckbroken alongside MIC university degrees and it gets even more harder and more NWO as you go along
>>214974242people died in training. Read a book. 100 casualties alone in the D-day practice.
>>214970692I must've only watched the first two. I'll get back to it but even ITT people said ep 1 was best
>>214975875Training is not combat. You used that word not me, bro.
>>214972520It was a trash show. I'm all white and my dad liked seinfeld
>>214970374>>214970379because he was in an elderly/veteran's care facility which are notorious for having the most worthless subhuman pieces of shit as staff.
>>214974024>this is not medium rare company>this is not well done company
>>214970228>0 amount of soldieringsharpe would have whipped those pussies into shape
>>214968584So...according to angloburgers, these fellas were fundamental in winning WWII along with Tom Cruise, Tom Hanks, Brad Pitt and Steve Rogers?
>>214974081Watch Midway
>>214969908Tom Hanks
>>214976666
>>214968584US Army vet here.Training and being a mission XO is different.he is GREAT at training, but not a field commander.
>>214976052eh, I liked both. Often they were on back to back anyways and it's not like I had a thousand channels to flip through back then.
what is your GOT DAM [sic] HOLDUP MISTER SOBEL
>>214968584well he was also a jew
>Say that Blithe died in 1945>He actually lived, served in the Korean War and earned a Silver Star there, and died in like 1975 from some surgery or something>Say that Sobel was a pussy and got transferred to teach priests to parachute>He actually did jump in Normandy on D-Day, led a few soldiers he rallied with and took down German anti-aircraft guns
>>214974242>He never saw any combatSee >>214970455
>*honk honk*
Haven't read the entirety of the book yet but there's a hilarious part where some medics put Sobel to sleep during a training exercise (I believe it's the one in the show where he gets a few men "killed" and has to leave behind some wounded) and perform pseudo-surgery on him to deliberately leave him with a bigass surgical scar. Just goes to show how much he was hated.
>>214979822If that actually happened they'd get court martialed
Growing up is realizing that Winters was kind of a dick and had a huge ego.
>>214971816My grandfather was in Luzon. He once recounted that he was loading another soldiers bazooka, a nip sniper shot the soldier in the head and his brains went all over my grandpa's face. He said he wiped his face for weeks but could still feel them there.
>>214980098he made a plaque that said "STEPHEN AMBROSE SLEPT HERE" and kept it in his house because Ambrose held Winters' word over everyone else's and Winters would regularly butt in with "i don't remember it like that" type shit and Ambrose would change it
>>214969683>were good in spite of himKind of the point anon, his motives may have been skewed cause he was a cunt but it was because of those motives they were so prepared when landing
>>214969781friends was for housewives and homos, which are you?
>>214968692Being good at maps was his job. The meme about officers being shit at land nav and getting lost or stuck is 100% realt. Was the LTs gunner and constantly had to tell him we're going the exact opposite direction of where we should be heading. All of them except one
>>214973641Not sure about the US but in canada yeah. Pretty much everyone just uses GPS in reg but you have to qualify with map and compass in training.
>>214971523>It's SUPPOSED to be wrongThat works for things like 300 but not a historical drama that tries to pass itself off as being authentic
>>214970198>retards always outnumber the competentNope.>they bond together and try to drag down anyone who is worth a damnThis is correct, though.
>>214970204Men don't hate their leaders because they make them do realistic, hard training, they hate their leaders for being incompetent, corrupt, and wasting their fucking time.
>>214980374This is just bullshit made up by winters to fuel his savior complex
>>214971556>Didn’t they determineNo, they appreciated the fact that Sobel made life suck during training, because it made dealing with the suck of combat that much easier.
>>214976052>dad was circumiced and liked Jewish brainwashGotcha
>>214971581No (((they))) didn't. (((They))) betrayed God and gave (((their))) allegiance to Lucifer and his forces of darkness.
>>214980544Stfu anti semiteFollow your leader
>>214980503Nah, you're just a faggot.
this show hit me different, the scene where they're all at the eagles nest in particular. cant think of anything equal in any war after, not even the dog shit guady palaces in the middle east that soldiers occupied
>>214980718Fuck off, Lucifer.
>>214968601
>>214980744Lol hitler lost
>>214980764And so did you about 2025 years ago. But you already know that, don't you...>And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.>Matthew 16:18
>>214970619I liked Bicentennial Man
>>214973641yes they do. at least in the infantry.
>>214982036Yeah I bet you like bi men.
Herbert Sobel reincarnate, is that you?
>>214970198>>214970762kek
>>214974465lel
>>214976549>this is not a company
>>214980260I think we should send the children of CAF employees directly to ukraine to die. They can earn MAID vouchers for you back home, eh you cadpat wearing piece of shit?
>>214970228Pretty much. its a general principle that you only hear this amount of bitching with units that had enough survivors and little enough fighting for it.
>>214978874>>214971523No fuck that. A bunch of lying bastards outlived good men and get to have their lies validated. Fuck them.
>>214968584How come the series never mentioned that he died in a VA hospital from malnutrition because the niggers there didn't feed him?
>>214984597>died in a VA hospital from malnutrition because the niggers there didn't feed him?He probably refused to eat in order TO die as he was sick of living.
>>214980250can't spell lost without LT
>>214984637If that were the case he would've died from dehydration and/or starvation not malnutrition due not not being properly fed
>>214983946>no, sir! Able company is two barracks down
>>214968890Lel
>>214971782>Basilone could have stayed in the US and stayed safe while fucking bimbos and later his wife>signs up for combat againWhat a fucking inspiration for all.
>>214985778Well its not really meant to be inspirational. Sure, you can interpret his urge to go back to war the either foolish or honorable. Most likely he was hooked on the adrenaline from combat like many other vets. But the scene where he dies, he is just a corpse amongst dozens of others. The impact of his death was meaningless in the grand scale of the war.
>>214974465He's actually pretty good in that, I wish the show wasn't so cringe on the nose with the scenes of the Kardashian girls>"Now remember girls we're Kardashians, and that means we care more about being good people than being famous"
he was excellent in this role, perfectly fitting of how the man was described by the men
Now thanks to these faggots in the thread and their infractions, every man here who had a funny reply with several (You)s has lost it to the jannies.Change into your /pol/ mode - we're ruining this thread.
>>214968890Did you get reminded of the lion too when you were watching tropic thunder?
>>214968584I think it says a lot that the men under his command were still willing to shit on the guy nearly 50 years after the war was over when asked about him for the book
>>214968601>Also, he failed at committing suicideI don't remember this
>>214971706>this is not giraffe company
>>214986444Are those trips soldier! Your 4chan pass is revoked
>>214970452It is a good watch, still holds up well. Pacific should be next in your queue if you liked BoB - but beware as it starts much slower
>>214971098Poor guy, he didn't do anything necessarily wrong, but he was just abrasive.I liked it when he saluted Winters in the final episode, even though it killed him inside.
Look, Sobel is doing his "can't navigate properly" bit
>>214986444You salute the trips, not the anon.
>>214988323The fucked up world we live in when even train drivers receive death threats
>>214971377schwimmer is a good actor. kind of wasted on friends desu
>>214969908Watch True Detective S1, it's 10/10
>>214984025Extraordinarily based post.
>>214971523>it's SUPPOSED to be propagandayes, we know
>>214982036Need to check out that one. Haven't watched it yet.
>>214968890based
>>214968584Slandered? He just broke Joey's fridge!
