>>214969769
Way too many words man, 1995 was peak of humanity and he just wanted to keep living it

>>214969769
the deal makes no sense.
the machines would just kill him to minimize risk.

So they can get back in.

smith was basically rogue, no other agent would try to capture a captain and break into zion

smith was rogue because the oracle was delaying the “the one” process to find a different type of “the one.”

>>214970138
yeah but there is this trope that robots don't lie and keep their promise

honestly cypher is the most human and complex character in the movie, everyone else blindly accepts the red pill mission given to them at unplugging, also without cypher neo would have never "woken up"

>>214969769
>go toil in a smelly hole teeming with blacks and eat gruel until you eventually chewed to pieces by invading machines
Or
>get reinserted into a perfect simulation and live a dream life at the peak of human existence with no awareness of it being fake
Granted Smith would never have put him back in if he even could which he probably couldn't, but if the second option isn't on the table then death is preferable to the first anyway, Cypher knew what he was doing no matter the outcome

>>214970418

The actor agrees with you and sperged out in an interview where someone said he was a "bad guy" character

>>214970418
>Cypher knew what he was doing no matter the outcome
he's smart enough to know this, so was Cypher just trying to burn everything down because of spite (aka sexually frustrated chud who couldn't get trinity's poon)

>>214969769
Zion didnt have any of that stuff

Their entertainment was all on little copies of the matrix
Otherwise it was gruel and sweaty black cave raves
Imagine the smell

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>>214970468
why didnt they just use training matrix programs for sex and food and rest like a fucking HOlo deck in Star Trek?

>>214970492
>sweaty black cave raves
but at least there are females and possibility of scoring some "free love" riding that rave wave

>>214970468
He was gambling on the miniscule chance Smith might somehow uphold his end of the bargain, if the alternative is worse than death then you might as well shoot for it

>>214969929
>1995 was peak of humanity
Close. 1999 was the peak of humanity, even in the film itself.

>>214969769
It's a metaphor for reincarnation.

Cypher was a tranny allegory

>>214970443
Cypher is both a bad guy as in an immoral person who betrays the people who trust and the movie's human antagonist, Cypher was smart enough but maybe Joey Pants is retarded

>>214970518
you probably score some AIDS and STIS or worse.

It's almost like the Matrix was written by retards for retards.

>>214970555
Where did you learn about AIDS, anon?
>inside the matrix

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>>214970555
>>214970566

>>214970516
why don't you just talk to AI instead of coming here? it's just text bro. it's just electrical signals. it's all the same

>>214970572
>>inside the matrix
>"free love" riding that rave wave
>Zion
Do you even read retard?

>>214969769
>why didn't Cypher just go live in Zion if he missed more normal stuff like hooking up, eating better food, and variety of people?
No choice. He could jack into the matrix because he had been freed from it. They weren't going to waste him as a resource

>Also why the hell would Zion leadership give mainframe access codes to all the ship captains? makes no fucking sense, yes, give the access codes to all the people going on high risk missions where they can be captured
So they could keep contact remotely and securely with the city. Also it didn't matter because they could simply be killed if captured by their operators pulling the plug. None of it mattered anyway because Zions security wasn't dependent on gaining some kind of mainframe access, it was dependent on the whims of the machines of when they chose to destroy the city

>>214970586
why they die then when they are killed in matrix?

>>214970588
AIDS isn't real dipshit. it's machine propaganda to keep us from getting too chummy.

>>214970608
all of this is specially funny because machines know where Zion is and they build it themselves.

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>>214970634
>yes i am retarded

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>>214970586
their training programs was made by humans

>>214970468
>(aka sexually frustrated chud who couldn't get trinity's poon)
It's not like they was a desperate pussy shortage in Zion, where everyday is possibly the last day. He would just have to ask...

>>214970608
>None of it mattered anyway because Zions security wasn't dependent on gaining some kind of mainframe access, it was dependent on the whims of the machines of when they chose to destroy the city
that's what i always thought, made no sense to me how the machines that control all of earth somehow can't destroy a single city underground

i know we're supposed to suspend disbelief but this one fact is the biggest glaring hole in the whole movie

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>>214970138
>minimize risk
what risk? He'd be literally fully under their control in all ways. And it's 100% only a benefit to them. Say Cypher is plugged back in and a bunch of humans go after him wanting to get revenge. What do they see when they find him? He's living it up. He's happy as fuck, a millionaire with anything he could desire, eating steak for every meal, has a new super model girl every day. How many of those humans will think "oh damn, we CAN go back. The machines aren't so bad. I don't actually have to live this way!" The machines did not want to exterminate humanity. They were not hellbent on making Humans miserable. Their original matrix was a paradise for humans, which humans rejected for being too pleasant.

>>214970263
how are you this retarded? Smith went rogue because of when he tried to take over Neo's body, they literally say that a piece of Neo stuck with him, just as a piece of Smith stuck with Neo. Also Oracle did not delay "the one" process at all, she tells Neo the full truth and exactly what he needed to hear-- "maybe in the next life" and when does he fully become the one? After he fucking dies and comes back to life.

It's amazing how fucking retarded you are. People like you are the reason Marvel movies exist. Do not bother replying, I am leaving this thread, you faggot.

>>214971893
>Smith went rogue because of when he tried to take over Neo's body, they literally say that a piece of Neo stuck with him, just as a piece of Smith stuck with Neo
Smith was already rogue by that point. He had his own objectives and was doing unauthorized secret activities that confused the other agents. Smith and Neo were always two opposites fulfilling their roles in the Oracle's game. They both had potential and felt driven to break out of their confined systems. But yes, Neo fully upgraded to the One by dying, then he transferred the necessary pieces of code to Smith to fully upgrade him to the Negative One.

>>214971893
Smith is already rogue dipshit, he hates the matrix and his function and separates himself from the other agents. The union with Neo made him able to break away, try watching the actual fucking films

>>214969769
>can you actually plug back in?
Neo at the end of Revelations shows its technically possible
>why didn't Cypher just go live in Zion if he missed more normal stuff like hooking up, eating better food, and variety of people?
Zion sucked ass, he wanted to go back to 1999
>also why the hell would Zion leadership give mainframe access codes to all the ship captains?
what this guy said >>214970263

>>214972012
>Smith was already rogue by that point.
No, he hadn't. The other anon is correct.
> He had his own objectives and was doing unauthorized secret activities that confused the other agents.
No, he wasn't. What was one single unauthorized thing he did in the first one? Name a single action that was explicitly unauthorized you dumb faggot.

>>214972358
He wasnt rogue. Yes he hated the Matrix but he wasnt rogue. The programs / machines are not a hivemind, they are all able to have their own independent thoughts and feelings. This is shown throughout the series. But he isn't able to break free of his programing until he fuses with Neo.

why is everyone in this board so fucking stupid?

>>214969769
>sees Zion once
>wants to be plugged back in rather than live in and fight for that crack den
many such cases

>>214972460
Nta but machines and programs aren't the same thing, Smith is an antivirus program made by the machines and his wanting independence in the first movie is completely outside of his original programming, which the machines 100% would have destroyed him for even before he completely wiped the matrix in the sequels
Trying to use the codes to Zion as leverage to get himself out of the matrix would constitute rogue behaviour for a program built solely to hunt down and kill intruders to the system

>>214972460
smith is rogue in the first movie. he has already been "infected by it," when the other agents walk in and say "what are you doing?" "he doesn't know." "know what?" is a clear indication smith is already off the reservation, acting outside his programming.

>>214971182

it's literally not a plot hole, they let it exist and have exterminated it many times. did you even watch the movie?

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>>214969929
I would kill everyone in this thread and their families to go back to 1995.

>>214972669
if i can go back to 1990 as a 20 year old with the same knowledge and memories i have now, that would be ideal, also give me a few extra inches of height and more muscle mass

>>214972836
the knowledge you have now is what made you the way you are.

>>214972856
this is the same problem that Cypher has when he requests his memory to be wiped when plugging back in, that is; without the memory to compare, you are ignorant of how much better your new reality is

>>214972876
that's not an issue if your life doesn't suck, and easily solved if they just put him back in his old life and "randomly" have him be discovered as an actor.

>>214972939
>"when I wake up I want to be someone important, like an actor"
why didn't you tell me the wachowski sisters got some jokes

>>214972995
>bad actor is a bad actor

>>214972579
>Smith is an antivirus program made by the machines and his wanting independence in the first movie is completely outside of his original programming, which the machines 100% would have destroyed him for even before he completely wiped the matrix in the sequels
literally headcanon, and you are wrong. we see multiple programs with their own wants and desires. Show me ONE scene in the original that explicitly says Smith is going against his programming by wanting things. the machines are just the physical bodies the programs use when in the real world. jesus christ you are so fucking stupid

>>214972611
that exchange has nothing to do with Smith's actions and is in reference to what they are trying to do to Neo you fucking dumbass. You know what Smith says right before that scene to Morpheus?

"Agent Smith: Can you hear me, Morpheus? I’m going to be honest with you. I hate this place, this zoo, this prison, this reality, whatever you want to call it. I can’t stand it any longer. It’s the smell. If there is such a thing. I feel.. saturated by it. I can taste your stink. And every time I do I feel I have somehow been infected by it, it’s repulsive. I must get out of here. I must get free and in this mind is the key, my key. Once Zion is destroyed there is no need for me to be here, don’t you understand? I need the codes. I have to get inside Zion, and you have to tell me how. You are going to tell me or you are going to die."

He literally says he isnt free yet and wants to fulfil his original mission so that he can be free.

>>214973072
>lines can't have multiple meanings
ESL moment.

>>214973099
Nothing in their exchange was referring to Smith you dumbass. Rewatch the scene.

And once again, Smith explicitly says he isn't free yet.

>>214973072
>>214973072
the "what are you doing?" line by the other agent can be interpreted in many ways, was he surprised by Smith losing his cool and running an independent subroutine? or was he just literally asking "hey what's going on because you removed your earpiece and we got a situation downstairs"

where the other agents aware that they are trying to get the codes from Morpheus? i would assume so, so Smith's interrogation line would not be out of character

>>214973187
The audience doesn't know what they're talking about until after the scene ends. All the audience sees is the agents interrupt smith's "advanced interrogation" and ask "what're you doing?" and the "He doesn't know" response, where smith doesn't know because he's disconnected himself from the agent network, something we also won't realize until hindsight.

You're a very dumb person unable to differentiate between in the moment and hindsight knowledge.

>>214969769
>can you actually plug back in?
I don't see why not, but it would have been easier for the machines to just kill him once he fulfilled his side of the deal.

>>214973279
it would've been easier to just kill all the humans as well.

>>214973375
According to movie logic they need humans as batteries and can't just use any other more reasonable fuel source.

>>214973488
>combined with a form of fusion

>>214973488
yeah the humans as energy source logic is dumb but you gotta press i believe on that one to enjoy the movie, the machines could have basically unlimited energy with nuclear power but somehow they ignore that one

>>214973279
>it would have been easier for the machines to just kill him once he fulfilled his side of the deal
Machines don't give a single fuck about "easiness". They don't get tired. And you imbeciles keep missing the simply aspect that going through with the deal demonstrates to all the other humans the machines are trustworthy and entices them all to come back as well.

>>214973194
>>214973247
none of what either of you said is relevant to the actual discussion, nothing in that scene is evidence that Smith has broken is programming yet you fucking retards, a reading that is further supported by him EXPLICITLY SAYING HE ISN'T FREE YET.

Jesus Christ you pajeets really are something Else. Hindisght / in the moment knowledge / what the audience knows has nothing to do with it. Goddamn retards.

>>214973546
>trustworthy
According to the deal they would memory-wipe him. He could not tell anyone about the deal, so there is no incentive.

>>214973619
in that regard memory wiping is no different than death, there is nothing for Cypher to gain, this proves that Cypher is a chud only doing this to hurt the people he's been living with

>>214973604
>you can't want out of prison if you're in prison
is the hill you're killing yourself on. agents aren't programmed to want out. smith has already been infected by humans.

this is also reflected in why the original matrix failed, people rejected its programming. smith is rejecting his programming.

>>214973247
WTF does "in the moment" and "hindisght knowledge" of the viewer have to do with whether or not Smith has broken his programming? Are you an ESL? Have a learning disability?

>>214973657
>if you don't remember something it never happened

weak theory of mind. thanks for linking that to "thinks in maymays."

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>>214973678
where does sally look for the ball?

>>214973665
> agents aren't programmed to want out
Agents, like all programs, are able to have their own emotions and wants. Literally all programs we see are able to do this. You are making up headcanon based on nothing. Smith is following the orders given to him by The Matrix until he fuses with Neo. Stop. Being. Retarded.

>>214973703
>cant answer the question
Okay, thanks for confirming you're retarded. Sally looks in the box of course.

What the audience knows has nothing to do with what Smith can or can't do.

>>214973705
>smith is independent and acting on his own but also following orders given to him by [...}

>>214973720
>he memorized the answer therefore thinks he isn't autistic

lol

>>214973721
He isn't independent or acting on his own. He has wants, but otherwise is following his orders the same way an FBI agent ordered to investigate a scene can follow his orders while still wanting something else. What is one single action Smith takes before fusing with Neo that goes against the Matrix' orders? I'll wait.

>>214973737
>STILL can't answer the question
I accept your concesison, retard. Smith says he isn't free, explicitly. None of your headcanon will change that.

>>214973743
>all programs are able to have their own emotions and wants

they further hammer home the idea he was already rejecting his programming by refusing deletion.

Its funny how "people" try to say these movies aren't particularly deep, but when you try to show them the depth, they just reject it off-hand. like you're doing now.

>>214973759
the question was answered before you asked it. now I'm just making fun of you for being a retard. >>214973247

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>>214969769
Cypher wanted to detransition

>>214973703
BUT I DID EAT BREAKFAST, NIGGA

>>214973803
And once again, what the audience does or doesnt know has nothing to do with whether Smith has broken free from The Matrix yet you absolute dumbass. You can't explain how they are related because they aren't. Goddamn you are stupid lmaooooooo

>>214969769
He can just live in a program that’s not the matrix. The training programs literally show that it’s possible; he never had to betray anyone.

>>214973844
what the audience does or doesn't know changes how they interpret "what're you doing?" "he doesn't know"

How many times did you say the basket before you gave in?

>>214973703
in the basket since that's where the marble is

>>214973703
in that iteration she doesn't look anywhere because the marble has been deleted by the time she returns.

>>214973721
NTA but he's not wrong in his argument. Smith wants to be free from the Matrix in the sense that with Zions destruction, he's no longer needed to be inside the Matrix. Its obvious he's been in for so many iterations that he's tired of it and wants it to finally end so he can fuck off back to the machine source.
This is different than what viewers later find out where Zion gets destroyed and rebuilt due to the One bargaining for humanities existence outside the Matrix. He just straight up wants to destroy it BEFORE it gets to that point and the Matrix gets reset again so he's not a glorified janny anymore.

>>214973777
Again, programs being able to do things and have wants and desires is not the same thing as breaking free from the Matrix you fucking retard. You know where this is made explicitly clear? In The Oracle. She is able to take actions "against" The Matrix but she isn't free from it, she is an intrinsict part of it who is following her programming at the end of the day. Similarly, the child program that is "smuggled" out in the later movies, her two "parents" are able to take that action "against" the Matrix without breaking free from their role as programs. Similarly, even when the child is "freed" via the smuggling she is still able to exist within The Matrix.

I agree the movies have depth, but you're just a retard who can't understand the very basic tenants of how the world works.

>>214973874
How the audience interprets it in the moment has nothing to do with whether Smith has broken free from his programming yet. You can't explain how they are related because they aren't. You are tragically stupid.

>>214973970
>Its obvious he's been in for so many iterations that he's tired of it

just skip the part where in your headcanon he would've seen the destruction and repopulation of zion multiple times. or you can play the "he's not programmed to know about zion but learns about it anyway" card, and therefore doesn't know its been destroyed before, because why would they tell machines that?

>>214973997
its always funny how people try to assert intellectual superiority over misunderstanding or outright missing a facet of a multi-layer scene.

but hey, you got a certificate saying you're fluent in your conqueror's language, you MUST be right, right?

>>214974058
What I'm saying is Zion getting destroyed due to it being a cycle and Zion getting destroyed before that cycle even happens are two different things. You can't have a cycle if you break the chain of events that lead up to it.

>>214974088
So you still can't explain how they are connected? LMAO okay, retard thanks for the laughs.

>>214974088
NTA but do you really think the audience's info in a particular scene has anything to do with a character's internal motivation or status outside of that scene? Like what argument are you even trying to make? You do come off as incredibly retarded like the other anon said.

The thing that nobody mentions is why would a computer program keep its promise? it has no morality or obligation to keep its word. Even worse after a memory wipe. What if it just turned cypher into a homeless bum and forgot about him.

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>>214974390
Yes, we did fucking mention it. Why would a computer program lie? it has no incentive to lie whatsoever, and EVERY incentive to keep its word as demonstration to the other humans to follow Cypher. The machines NEVER wanted to exterminate the humans nor make them miserable. They gave them a paradise to live in first. The cycle of escape to Zion is literally made to keep them happy. The Architect prides himself on not lying. You have zero watching comprehension and just make shit up. Every AI has to be Skynet to you.

>>214974453
The incentive to lie is to get what it wants with minimal resource expenditure.
Other humans could not follow Cypher because his deal includes a memory wipe.

>>214974357
if you're writing a story, yes, what the audience knows during a scene will directly inform how they interpret that scene, and additional knowledge will change how they interpret the scene in hindsight. Usually this is just used for a "twist" later. Like he was dead the whole time. If you're good at writing a story, both interpretations will be intended. If you're bad at writing stories, the original interpretation is immediately discarded (he wasn't a freelance shrink trying to help a clearly terrified kid) replaced by the "correct" interpretation (he's a ghost haunting the kid).

We see the calm collected facade of the agent cracking. The other agents see this and are merely inquisitive, not recognizing one of their own has lost or is losing it.

>>214974591
>is to get what it wants with minimal resource expenditure.

in the movie the machines expended massive resources, including massive loss of human life, to ensure humans aren't wiped from the planet after humans made it completely inhospitable to anyone except machines.

>>214975064
None of what you said has anything to do with Agent Smith breaking free from The Matrix. No wonder anon keeps calling you retarded.

>>214975270
the point is agent smith was already "infected by it." He's not following his programming. He's trying to find a way to make himself unnecessary.

>>214975381
No he wasn't. Agents / Programs are able to feel things and take actions on their own without being "free" from The Matrix. You seem to have a deep misunderstanding of how the world works. This posts explain it pretty well>>214973983

>>214975437
that's just another reiteration of >>214973665

not sure why you think they'd program agents to want out of the matrix.

>>214969769
>I want to be someone important, like a 4chan janny.

>>214975481
you have a deeply flawed misunderstanding of how agents and programs work, they are given advance forms of intelligence that give them freedom in emotions and wants because that is what they are. If you watch the AniMatrix you see that robots accidentally / naturally evolved to have these kinds of emotions and desires (despite humans not intending them to have them) and thus all programs we see in the main movies have them. You're basically asking why don't humans birth other humans without free will and turn them into slaves? Because that simply is not how the process works for creating more humans.

There is not a single program shown in the entirety of the matrix that does not have some level of free will and their own wants and desires, even if they are bound within the constraits of their specific task (like the weather program we see later).

You're just kind of retarded and projecting a verison of the universe that only exists in your head.

>>214975571
>how agents and programs work
Smith goes over how agents and programs are supposed to work in his little speech. they're supposed to do what they're programmed to do. just like humans were supposed to accept the programming of the perfect world matrix, but didn't. the machines don't understand why humans were able to reject the original matrix. they still don't. the architect views the choice system as not a true solution to the problem, but a cheap workaround. because not being able to solve the problem means they can't understand the problem.

>>214975629
What speech are you talking about? This one?

"Have you ever stood and stared at it, marveled at it’s beauty, it’s genius? Billions of people just living out their lives, oblivious. Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world. Where none suffered. Where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed that we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world. But I believe that as a species, human beings define their reality through misery and suffering. The perfect world would dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from. Which is why the Matrix was redesigned to this, the peak of your civilization. I say your civilization because as soon as we started thinking for you it really became our civilization which is of course what this is all about. Evolution, Morpheus, evolution, like the dinosaur. Look out that window. You had your time. The future is our world, Morpheus. The future is our time."

No where in that does he address how Agents or Programs work in relation to The Matrix. You are so fucking stupid my dude.

>>214975711
Ya know its fun to try to talk about nuance with ESLs. Its completely beyond your capacity to understand, no matter how its pointed out.

>No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed that we lacked the programming language

This is a completely different class of intelligence trying to describe humanity in terms it can understand, terms not compatible with humanity. Machine intelligence is nothing but code. Therefore think in terms of code. Programming is absolute. Programming can't be defied. Yet humans can defy programming.

>>214975786
You are projecting so much of your own headcanon it's insane. Do you even know what a programming language is? Python is a programming language, Haskell, Rust, Java are programming languages. Different languages are able to do different things. One programming language can be used to make a videogame while another is used to make a website.

He is saying that some believed they lacked a programming language able to make a world humans wouldn't reject. It has absolutely nothing to do with how the programs themselves operate.

>Machine intelligence is nothing but code. Therefore think in terms of code. Programming is absolute. Programming can't be defied.

Man you sure are determined to let everyone know how stupid you are. That isn't how code or programming works within the world of The Matrix (as again we seem multiple programs act in their own interests--like the Merovingian and The Oracle or the programs that smuggle their daughter out, etc.). It also isn't really how code works in real life either, once programs get to a certain level of complexity, lots of unintended things start to arise or happen. If programming was "absolute" then emergent behaviors in AI (and I mean this both in relation to current AI and the more classic term of video game NPC AI) would never be able to happen, glitches and bugs would never happen, etc.

You have a really retarded understanding of how "code" works and an even worse grasp on the English language. It's very telling that you keep screeching about ESL (despite me being a white American) and are unable to actually form a coherent thought.

>>214969769
They can't, Morpheus made a point of explaining that to Neil. Once you take either pill there's no looking back.

>>214970516
They did, you just didn't pay attention.

>>214976028
>Once you take either pill there's no looking back.
That simply means that if the agents were to find you after you learned the truth, they would kill you. Not that you wouldn't be able to make a deal with them to betray the other humans in exchange for being placed back in. That wouldn't cross his mind and therefore wouldn't be included in his statement. Stop being an idiot.

>>214976125
When a sentinel scanned Neo it just flushed him like a turd. Whatever program they put on that pill caused those things in charge of maintaining the crop to disregard them as garbage.

>>214969769
he'd have to be escorted back by the squid things where they'd take him up to a pod and stick all those pipes back into him in a pod which is going to be a pretty rough day at best, a catastrophic failure where the machine decides it's not worth it and liquifies him most likely outcome. He really didn't think this shit through

>>214975977
>this scene is deeper than people give it credit for and establishes something present in all four movies, that machines being in contact with humans changes them
>umpteen walls of text that say nothing more than “nuh uh.”

At this point I have to just assume some part of your ego is tied up in the actionfag maymay that the matrix movies weren’t just simple little movies and were successful because of the action. I can understand this because accepting that the movies used filmic language to quickly establish concepts without directly stating them would mean you missed these ideas, because they were beyond your comprehension.

>>214977031
Bro we never ever see any machines or programs "changed" after being in contact with the humans. We see already independently thinking programs who had no contact with humans (like the two programs who were smuggling their daughter out) but never once see any that are changed after being in contact with a human, outside of Smith being changed from literally abosrbing Neo.

You have a whole different version of the movies in your head and are genuinely a schizo.

>>214975977
>Smith explicitly says he isn't free
>no other machine ever is changed by contact with a human
>"hehe its filmic language :^)
fucking retard lmao

>>214976348
It flushed him like he was a human connected to the matrix that was aware the matrix wasn’t real.

>>214977111
Right, the machines intentionally created programs that would create unnecessary programs who’d go to the Merovingian to have them hidden in the matrix by the oracle.

They also programmed the oracle to get sick of the cycle after the sixth time and risk destroying the entire power plant and more in a bid to create a new situation.

And they programmed the Merovingian to to feed human women orgasm cakes.

>>214970550
That was Switch. The original script had her played by a man when they were in the real world.

>>214977196
No, it flushed him like a dead body.

>>214977111
>a whole different version

Oh I see, you’ve got it in your head that I’m saying your surface level interpretation is wrong. Which I kinda am, as you did miss that smith was operating in a self-destructive manner.

>>214977271
Again, do you think programmers intentionally program in all of the bugs, glitches or even all of the features in their software or programs? Do you realize that current AI as it exists is essentially made as a black box where the programmers themselves don't quite understand how they are coming to the conclusions they are coming to?

You have such an oversimplifed idea of how programming and computers work. You truly are retarded. Emergent behaviors--as in unintended behaviors--exist in software as just a natural consequence of their complexity.

In a future where machines are sentient, the level of complexity required for a program to exist like an Agent or any other program / machine inherently gives them a level of free will, wants and needs. You are just the stupidest person in the world. It's crazy that The Matrix of all things is going over your head.

Programs / machines "programmed" sufficiently complex programs for their needs and a natural consequence of that level of complexity is some level of free will. You know how current AI or programs do things their developers didn't intend? It's like that.

>>214977361
so you aren't going to address how we never once see any programs interact with humans and are changed? Or how there are programs who never interacted with humans and have degress of free will? Okay, continue being a retard then.

>>214977329
Right. A dead body it had to coil and strike like a snake to get a hold of

>>214977424
>you think programmers intentionally program in all of the bugs, glitches or even all of the features in their software or programs

So you’re comparing human/jeet programmers to the technological singularity. See the issue here?

>>214977424
>you aren't going to address how we never once see any programs interact with humans and are changed
Smith directly states that Neo changed him.
>uuuuuhhh das jes un toime
you actively ignoring what’s in the movies doesn’t mean what’s in the movies isn’t there.

>>214972669
That's how most time travel metaphysics works: you collapse the current present to go back and exist/change the past (thus creating a brand new present).
It's like a building collapsing a specific floor that you want to land on; the floors above you have to get rebuilt (the new future).

>>214977602
Wait if I kill everyone I’ll get to time travel?

>>214977543
they arent a singularity, the programs / machines are all distinct individuals. A large group of them briefly meld together to talk to Neo at the end of 3, but otherwise they've always been individuals. It's crazy how how much of these movies went over your head.

>>214977575
>Smith directly states that Neo changed him.
Yeah man, after he ABSORBED him, which always my original point. You yourself have mentioned how he was doing actions that showed free will BEFORE that. Damn you are stupid.
wtf does "das jes un toime" mean? Retarded ESL

>>214977575
>still not addressing the other programs that have free that never interacted with any humans
>Smith being changed because he literally has a piece of Neo in him is somehow the same thing as just interacting with humans
You're cooked dude, take the L

>>214977640
Okay so your headcanon is all the machine intelligences are human level. Fantastic. Just ignore all the idiotically advanced technologies they created, theys jes loik us

>>214977515
How else was it supposed to hold him to scan him? You have nothing, butterball.

>>214977616
More like if you went back into the past and changed anything, you'd kill everyone up till today because we'd all have to change to account for any changes you made.
Energetically; you'd need all the energy up to the present to change the past.

>>214977616
>>214977734
chronocide
you'll be a killing a lot of people that should've existed

>>214977666
Rama-Kandra and Kamala were programs that operated systems within the matrix. The only machine that hadn’t interacted with a human before was Deus Ex, the babyface at the end.

But it’s not like you’re going to stop ignoring things directly stated in the movies.

>>214977719
where did I say that? They are obviously more intelligent than humans, that has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. Why are you so stupid?

>>214977730
Why would the machine need to coil and strike a corpse anon?

You are actively ignoring that the resistance was controlled opposition. That the machines were aware of and facilitated it to keep the matrix stable, to get awakened humans out and into a place far away from the power plant

>>214977783
You are projecting human level mistake (bugs) onto the machines. This is likely an IQ thing, you being unable to map concepts.

Human code has bugs because humans can’t hold gigabytes of code in their mind at one time.

>>214977776
>Rama-Kandra and Kamala were programs that operated systems within the matrix.
They explicitly did not live in The Matrix, but outside of it (hence why they were smuggling their daughter into the Matrix, though away from its control) and did not interact with humans. But even then Deus Ex had a free will despite even you admitting she hadn't interacted with humans before. If the Matrix intelligence is as autistic and "perfect" as you think, why would they allow two programs to make a baby? Why would they even need to make children? Why would they ever take the form of a child?

>But it’s not like you’re going to stop ignoring things directly stated in the movies.
No, that's you actually.

>>214977835
>Human code has bugs because humans can’t hold gigabytes of code in their mind at one time.
No, they have bugs because that is the nature of programming. You really don't understand how programming works on a very fundamental level. You mistakingly believe that some sufficiently advanced intelligent could make a "perfect code" that would never have any unintended behaviors and that simply isn't true once code gets beyond a certain level of complexity.

You do realize that, as shown in the AniMatrix, all machines we see are descendents of machines who accidentally achieved free will right? It's wild that you think the descendents of these machines--who wanted to be free and live in peace initially--would somehow lack that because of your autistic headcanon of how the machines work.

>>214972669
Someone in 2090 is thinking right now he would kill all anons in thread just to go back to 2025 with the knowledge he has in 2090. Let this be a lesson to make the most with the time you have now nigger.

>>214977881
>they have bugs because that is the nature of programming

You really are this stupid. You can’t comprehend anything ever being better than a human/(you).

A bug is an error. Errors happen because humans are far from perfect. A lot of bugs happen because of the number of abstraction layers between programming languages and binary. That can’t be fixed because humans can’t comprehend compiled code.

It’s really funny to see you calling intelligence insanity though. Says a lot. You can’t comprehend anything more than you currently do and everything else is either “stupid” or “insane.”

What a huge ego for such a small mind

>>214978006
if the world government hasn’t collapsed and reformed by then sure

>>214978112
ZZZZzzz, playing the same old tape, give me something new

>>214970634
AIDS isn't real to straight people. It spreads from tears in the skin on BOTH sides, usually rough anal sex. Bi men can spread it but only if they still have open wounds and the female partner also has open wound in her vagina or anal tearing from bareback ass sex. The vagina one is unlikely, and a straight man not fucking women in the ass bareback and one of them has HIV, it is near-impossible from PiV straight sex to catch HIV. Unless you are both so insanely rough and one of you have HIV already, in which case one of you is a fag or fag fucker. For, you see, gay sex is either oral or anal for penetration. Anal tears tissue on both sides and their extremely promiscuous casual sex lives is having a lot of nearly anonymous sex with different partners, both giving and receiving, anal sex. That's why transmission rates among gay males is so high. The physical act creates the perfect vector for both conditions and frequency of varied points of contact. Straight sex, even random and anonymous, simply doesn't usually have these conditions or even frequency of sexual contact. So be straight. You won't catch AIDS.

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>>214978006
>Someone in 2090 is thinking right now
Not yet.

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>>214978025
We get it, you don't understanding how programming works. Free will in the machines is not an "error" it is emergent behavior as a consquence of the complexity of the programs as entities. It is a feature, not a bug. Emergent behaviors you don't want to happen are bugs, the ones you do want are features. The machines want to be able to feel things and have a level of free will, that was why the fought the humans in the first place.

You have a version of the movies in your head that is not consistent with reality. I'm done with this waste of a conversation, have fun being retarded.

>>214978025
Nobody called you insane, they said you were a schizo. Retard.

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why was his request so autisticly overcomplicated?

>connect me back to the battery farm
>I don't wanna remember NOTHING
>I wanna be a famous actor

Just plug into the matrix, give him download access to get all the free money and shit he wants, and tell the agents to leave him alone if he follows the rules.

who cares if you know it ain't real, it feels real. It's literally not your problem being burdened with "the truth"

>>214978227
Everything exists because I exist. You are all merely components of my software.

>>214978310
>you don't understanding how programming works.

No, (you). The output from compiling something written in C++ or (most likely for such a huge ego for a small mind) Java isn’t readable or manipulable by humans, or even really decompilable. A machine intelligence wouldn’t need a programming language developed so coding work could be outsourced to third world countries, would be able to read and manipulate compiled code. Bug fixing would be a trivial matter as a self aware machine would know exactly what line of code caused the bug. Even neuralnet coding would be superior to human coding once you add another layer to automatically discard buggy code.

>>214978334
Schizophrenia is a type of insanity, my brown friend.

>>214978409
Because he was betraying humanity? Because the only reason he unplugged was because his life sucked and he hated authority?

And being concerned with something being real or not is a white person thing, you wouldn’t understand my swarthy chum.

>>214978468
I think not, therefore you are not.

>>214973703
the basket unless that bitch is blind

>>214978409
>calls others autists
>fundamentally fails to understand human emotions
Cypher wanted to have his memory wiped because he didn't want to live with the guilt. this is genuinely obvious to normal people.

>>214978468
Pretty shitty software you got there.

>>214978664
>I think therefore I am, I think too much therefor I am not

>>214978610
>And being concerned with something being real or not is a white person thing

If that's the case, why did white people create virtual reality?

>>214979086
Because it’s fun to pretend. Another white person thing. When browns pretend they turn it into religions built around reality not being real.

>>214977842
Rama-Kandra and Kamala explicitly did live in the matrix and interacted with humans indirectly, and did something forbidden by machine law, due to their interactions with humans. They knew about the Merovingian, a rogue program, and arranged to have their forbidden child in the care of the oracle, another program that had gone rogue.

>>214977132
You can want out of a prison while being in one. The point is he wasn’t aware he was going against his programming, was already “infected by it,” changed by his regular contact with humans. None of the other agents thought it was worthwhile to interrogate Neo, and none of the other agents were in contact with cypher.

>>214979878
>magaists hate kamala so much they actually pretend she's a robot living in the matrix

>>214976080
Mouse did the character that created the woman in the red dress. He was definitely gooning in his programs.

>>214973862
No the whole point is he wanted to forget and have the best life living in ignorance. "Ignorance is bliss" is the quote.

>>214980204
>He was definitely gooning in his programs.
That would be unethical though? No way Morphious would allow that.

>>214979226
Do white people pretend to have morals with their religions?