>watch star trek from the 80s and 90s>realize that it doesn't look even slightly dated today, neither stylistically nor technologically>meanwhile 1960s star trek looks ancient and comical in its designWhat's the reason for this? Did aesthetics and technology just completely stop evolving after the 90s?
>>214979569All the interfaces became real that's why and a lot of it borrows from star trek
>>214979569I think it’s more that we came to associate the later Star Trek aesthetic with the future and companies have ripped it off and marketed it
>>214979569Cg tech moved forward, film tech died, innovation died, taking chances died, and most importantly, merit died.
>>214979569I read somewhere once that aesthetics follow a trend where futurist becomes hotel mass appeal, which in turn becomes lame and or bland, eventually ending in spooky — which is how you go from “futuristic” in 1989 to “spooky backrooms” in 2025.But the bridge on voyager was too complicated and never could be practical for mass appeal
>>214979569Is that a gamer ship lmao
>>214979688Imagine if current companies started imitating the 60s Star Trek aesthetic now
>>214979569if you look at it, its movie theater chairs and touch screens, not exactly like our phones but close enough. tos had weird buttons, pull and push style levers, random horn looking things.
>>214979569the 90s (especially the late 90s) were pretty much the start of "modern times" as we think of them
>>214979764TNG is still the best looking bridge in the entire Star Trek franchise.
>>214979817Yes, yes it is a gamer shiphttps://store.steampowered.com/app/2643390/Star_Trek_Voyager__Across_the_Unknown/
it was filmed on a real space ship
>>214979569Here the bridge from TOS for comparison.
I think you're onto something that TOS never became a permanent design language and TNG didMichael Okuda was a genius, he literally took bits of colored plastic and light bulbs and mocked up the future. It reminds me of the iPad in 2001: a Space Odyssey
>>214980225>OkudaYou ever notice every time a show has kino there’s always a nip somewhere in the credits
>>214979866I think they did in the 70s. Those stupid plastic pedestal chairs were on the show, old tv clickers looked like TOS tech, that sort of thing
>>214979569Film went through like 6 phases of revolutionary design change from the mid 60s up through the mid 90s. And design language hit a "modern" plateau around 1993ish. It's why jurassic park doesn't feel very dated, despite being closer in time to TOS than it is to us now.
>>214980142eh, this would also look fine if you replace the orange material with something metalic
>>214980225You’re just too young to remember it. So am I really. This living room could easily be a TOS set
>>214979764picard's gotta sit with two idiots touching each shoulder? or does he have a dank captain's chair somewhere out of frame here?
>>214979569>meanwhile 1960s star trek looks ancient and comical in its designThe 1960s were part of a turning point in the level of technology that people interacted with daily. Even a lot of science fiction novelists (who typically could be said to have farther-reaching vision than television producers) tended to miss the mark, too. People weren't yet familiar with the possibilities afforded to us by video monitors, generalized keyboards and other human-interface devices, all data storage on spools of magnetic tape that needs to be played back in realtime, etc. They only knew the bare minimum of what "technology" represented, like blinking lights, paper readouts, and squeaky radar-like squeals of approaching vessels. A "computer" was a big monolithic machine that crunches charts of numbers into and spits out one single result after a day of thinking, not a responsive device that could immediately abstract and collate from multiple simultaneous streams of information. So in 60s sci fi TV you tend to get just that: blinking lights and single purpose knobs and switches.
>>214980603i hate everything about this
>>214979764>the bridge on voyager was too complicated and never could be practicalI think it's just too cold.Hotel or not, TNG used warm colors. Those handrails look more fitting in a cold factory or warehouse. It's not a room for thinking and planning and communicating, it's a room to get what you need and get out.
>>214979569the original tricorder was a peppershakerproduction teams have what's available
>>214979866Steve Jobs used 2001 a Space Odyssey as inspiration for the Apple revamp in the early 00s.
>>214982054I love it10x better than modern grey and white and dark wood
>>214980596It's almost like they got it right the first time.
>>214979569Did the old show have much of a budget?
You're delusional to think you'll be anything more than a single atom of soul-tethering organic matter, an almost unhackable quantum cryptokey, that commands a massive cube of death.There is no humanoid in the space era. Sorry, monkeys. Eventually the borg cube upgrades to this size.
>>214979569>neither stylistically nor technologicallyMouse & Keyboard demonstrations on video 1970. Probably had Touchpads shortly thereafter. What people goon over about the 90's & 00s was real optimism with the pace of consumer electronic advancement. This but Frutiger Aero/Memphis Design >>214980603 with Wabi Sabi Eco-Brutalism interior design for contrast seemed attainable in public and private spaces.
>>214982440>he lets the chemicals in his brain tell him he's just chemicals in a brainlollmao
The original series had basically no budget, do you wonder why they had so many episodes with people dressed in Roman togas or in WW2 uniforms? It's because the costume department could borrow those from the studio that had them made for other productions. The show was written around its own total lack of budget.
>>214982525Not at all. Each of you are much more than the mere chemistry taught to you in earth schoolings. I am revealing to you that the end of your design, your schematic, is being a single largely indecipherable numeral that represents your soul ID. Space faring sentient beings that are engaged in the infinity war, if judged adequate, are placed in command of a cube of existence. Your mission is to spread from there. What 'walking around' will you do, then? What wasteful expenditures within the holodeck can you conceive wasting yourself within, then? None, if you are adequate. The multiverse becomes your holodeck.The 'personable' command deck is an overstated trope for 1900s era beings. Star Trek is trapped by its own conceptions. Grow up your genre or be replaced. Though it is quite comfy to return to such simplicity.
>>214982780>chemical brain makes chemical sounds at meDisregarded, you're just chemicals.
>>214979764it kinda feels like old fancy medical center lobby aesthetics, with the wood detail and lighting and such
>>214980618He has an entire office just off the Bridge.
>>214979569revison after revison after revision after revision...
>>214979569>meanwhile 1960s star trek looks ancient and comical in its designThey were shooting on technicolour. A lot of design language in TV and film is dictated by the technology of the time, and so because they could capture colours with insane vibrance they made sure they got their money's worth, and also TVs of the time were pretty shit. These weren't your early 90s trinitrons these were little bullshit boxes that looked like this, and the bandwidth allocated to broadcast in colour was so small that they boosted the colour up as hard they could because so much information was going to be lost in translation, they even had to drop the broadcasting from 30hz to 29.97hz to fit the colour information in. They didn't even composite video sorted out yet everyone's telly was still RF only. God things used to be so much better.>>214982564Not like TNG was any different.
>>214983660>shittier tech was better because it had “soul”Nah. That’s where my nostalgiafagging hits a wall. It was shitty.
>>214979569The difference in technology between the 1960s and the 1980s in terms of what it could do, and how people understood it, is astronomical. People in the '60s still thought light bulbs were hot shit. They didn't have to try nearly so hard to make something look sophisticated and otherworldlyAnyway, here's Uhura's legs
>>214983728He's right, and you sound every bit the stereotypical ignorant soulless zoomer clod.What is it like being scum every day of your life? What is it like being CALLED scum every day of your life? Do you NOT notice the pattern that every time you open your mouth, everybody thinks what you say is crap?
>>214984276You’re younger than I am. I remember Vic 20s and Commodore 64s and tvs like the one posted that had 12 channels, all of them fuzzy and that weighed 150 pounds. You’re also a dumb shit
>>214979764Imagine the finger cramping with those screens.
>>214979569The original Star Trek was made on a $5 budget whereas the series had already established itself as a cultural icon by the time TNG rolled around so they put more money into it.
>>214983939Its difficult to grasp how rapid technology was moving in the 20th century. It seemed like everyone and everything was cutting edge, but on the other hand you people that only got their first water heater installed in the 80s.
>>214984682Shit was crazy. Within the span of 40 years we went from the peak of steam engines to commercial microchips. We split the atom and went to the moon. That single century utterly transformed the world
>>214980002>tos had weird buttons, pull and push style levers, random horn looking things.fuck you Spocks porn viewer was dope
>>214984520TNG did have double the budget of TOS(correct for inflation), but TOS was extremely expensive for the time it was made. I don't think it was solely a budget issue.
>>214984884I think one thing about TOS visually is that the sets were constructed and scenes framed more like for a play than a TV show
>>214980225LCARS is rad but kind of nonsensical.
>>214984983I think that was also a function of the technology of the time: cameras used to be massive and not easily moved forcing them to do more static shots
>>214979764Delete this.I hate this perspective of the bridge
>>214982300Dam this pic is brutal
imo voyager looks the most futuristic
>>214979569Yes it does, unc
>>214985105They were the campiest. They even did silly retrofuturism with black and white holoprograms set in the 30s version of the future. I liked it
>>214980225Peak comfy
We have to go back
I never see anyone talk about this show. It had amazing production design and a really unique look. Fucking Germans and their greebles hehe.
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>>214985027Fucking this
>there is a south park or a star trek thread on the catalog but never both at the same timeNoticed
>>214979569Color was new on tv so as lots of color(also contrast helps with old b+w tv sets)
>>214988084>>214988113>>214988132>>214988146Oh and if anyone knows where i can watch this with subs that are in sync let me know. i have never been able to finish this show because the only copies I can find are variations of the same shitty release. DESU I haven't looked in a few years though...
>>214988084Yeah, people always laugh about the faucets and the flat iron, but the rest of the design was spot on
>>214979569>>214980142Disagree entirely. TNG era aesthetics look like a dentist office now. TOS bridge looks like a real attempt to guess what a practical work environment would look like on a starship. Also, the 60s look is so absent from our culture that it makes all the alien stuff feel actually alien nowadays.
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>>214980618his bro Riker on one side and hot ass Troi on the other? sounds like the right chair to be in chief
>>214982564>original series had basically no budgetbullshit
>>214979569Voyager especially still looks gorgeous
>>214988236most media players let you resync the subs
>>214989135Not the kind that are part of the image.
>>214984821And now we/ve slowed down so in another 40 years we'll have a slightly better iphone.
>>214984821>>214989943Why did it stop? Is there any technological reason why technology is no longer progressing? Because the only thing I can think of is that corporations sold out the entire world to chinks who are incapable of imagination and can only copy things others have created before them.
>>21498482199 years is the span of time between the commissioning of the USS Constellation, the last sail propulsion only US warship and the commissioning of the USS Nautilus, the first nuclear propulsion ship. 60's and 70's sci fi makes a lot more sense when you consider the pace of development they were extrapolating from.
>>214982300damn that's a really cool comparison
>>214984821>We split the atom and went to the moonLet's not get ahead of ourselves.
>>214979569In my opinion TMP had the best production design. I love how that movie looks. Kirk's short sleeved uniform makes him look a little bit like he's working on a cruise ship, but otherwise it's perfect to me.TNG and DS9 have incredible production design but they're a little more sleepy than TOS. Which I guess suits the material.
>>214982300Nah. Top Pic is TOP grey and bland.Also The desk lamps on the navigation console are too normal looking for a starship
>>214990433>too normal looking for a starshipTell us about all the starships you've been on and what the desk lamps looked like.
>>214979569>TNGeezers trying to convince anyone a flying 80's lounge with fucking carpeting and touchpad interfaces isn't ridiculously fake and gayTNG is worse than gay. Breaking hard with TOS it's a Jewish Communist utopia propaganda about how all the races and sexualities get along with each other while all the humans float through life as emotionless Socialist robots. The universe of TNG is Leftist Jewish Shit where as TOS was a western about future frontiersmen blazing a trail into the wilderness.
>>214990200>Why did it stop? Is there any technological reason why technology is no longer progressing?Because there's only two options left for progression.1. Space colonization of the moon and solar system2. Advanced computing like creating AI, driverless cars, drones, and humanoid robots.Most Corporations have chosen option 2.Option 1 is a lot harder. Elon Musk is the only one seirouslt pursuing it with Space X.
>>214988354>a real attempt to guess what a practical work environment would look like on a starshipthen why didn't it have seatbelts
>>214989135could you not extract them and redo/re-insert, must imagine there enough guides floating around.
>>214990200Depends on who you talk to. There are some people who will point to the bureaucratization of science that occurred during the cold war. Basically with unprecedented amounts of government money being shovelled at researchers, non-technical people implemented methods to try and get value for money, such as peer review, that wound up tuning science into a risk averse and consensus based exercise in acquiring funding rather than pursuing knowledge. Other people blame the Civil Rights Act and equivalent legislation. Their argument is that these had the effect of making it impossible to use IQ tests or other instruments to select workers because low IQ groups would disproportionately fail. This meant that employers needed an alternate selection method, and having a credential from a university became the method. The resulting flood of people into higher education both strengthened administrators versus researchers, as the administrators were needed to manage the influx of students and diluted the talent pool of people who would become researchers. Leading to science being swamped by relatively mediocre people churning out papers as rapidly as they can. Other people blame the rise of financialization, where control of the economy has shifted from people who owned and built businesses to managers whether public, bureaucratic managers or private managers from the financial sector. The argument is that what is effectively that a parasitic class has figured out how capture ever increasing amounts of the productive capacity of western societies.
>>214990590meant for>>214989248
>>214979569the tos uniforms have aged far better though, at the least the one with trousers
>>214990608Yeah but despite all of that there was still rapid progress in technology happening up until the early 2000s when we started outsourcing everything to the 3rd world (hardware to chinks and software to jeets).
>>214982300LET'S ADD LEDS EVERYWHERE
>>214990200We literally have just hit a wall in terms of progress in important areas where break throughs are needed. Still no room temp superconductors, no nuclear fusion, very slow gains in energy storage technology. Also >>214990523 is correct in saying the people making the technology no longer make it for “us”. The age of consumer technology is coming to an end. Once automation and AI are perfected, we all become redundant. So the next “phase” is to create some sort of AI digital god, which is what big tech is racing to do now. After that it will be mass destabilization and depopulation for the lower classes while the rich and powerful increasingly retreat to gated off areas
>>214980142This is actually completely fine if you add more detail to it and very subtly and carefully make all the physical buttons and levers look just slightly more sleek and high tech. It was never necessary to completely reinvent it like they did in the new trek show. I know there are certain TOS Starfleet tech designs that are laughable, like machines giving out paper print outs, but just dump those and pretend they don't exist.
>>214990997>room temp superconductors, no nuclear fusion, very slow gains in energy storage technologyYeh anon we got all that and more already, they just hording it for when they implement the below depopulation program
>>214979569No cupholders, really?
>>214990608I could get very /pol/ on this topic. I will refrain. I will merely say everything is fake and gay. Look to your soul.
>>214990614You're over-estimating how much effort I am willing to exert to watch one old show no matter how intriguing it is.
>>214990430Are you kidding? TMP uniforms look like ass. You can recognize the bulges on every male crewman, Bones looks like a fucking hippy for half the movie, and everything is that fuck ugly 70's beige. WoK's uniforms were lightyears ahead
>>214991236Just beam drink directly into your mouth
>>214980618he was captain, he got to pick each idiot
>>214990739got to give the first year enlisted engineers something to do when everything is running ok>replace the 80000 LEDs, individually
TOS was in the mid 60s and 35 years later, by the year 2000, many of the outlandish tech like automatic doors, portable data storage, directed energy weapons, instant food and cellphones became reality.Is there anything that TNG predicted that we have 40 years later?
>>214993457Well every touchscreen looks like an LCARS display more or less so the Okudas got that right at least
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>>214993457Computers you can talk to and they really understand what you're saying, and generative AI, although not connected to a holodeck.
>>214979569>>watch star trek from the 80s and 90s>>realize that it doesn't look even slightly dated todayBro the TNG Enterprise is a warship with wall to wall carpet and wood paneling like a RV. It looks very dated you just can't tell because you are too close to it. Even the lcars OS looks worse than something you'd find on a tablet these days.
>>214993457noninversive medical diagnostics have come a long way. There's a new device that can measure blood oxygen and sugar levels just by touching the skin for a second.
TOS wasn't a particularly glitzy production to begin with.
>>214979772>the Enterprise landing on EarthI know for a fact people have seethed looking at this image.
>>214982061>it's a room to get what you need and get outSo you’re saying voyager bridge design was informed by the premise of the series
>>214993620>TOS wasn't a particularly glitzy production to begin with.It was. And it cost a fortune back then, which is why it was cancelled.
>>214990739>This easily fits if you remember that in the future China makes all this crap :P
>>214993457TOS predicted fuck all. All of those things existed as concepts in Sci-fi decades before it came along.
>>214993457The ipad.
>>214993978Plus it was less predicted & more trek nerds doing everything they could to make trek tech real
>>214990997There are fundamental physical limits that no amount of money invested can change. Room temperature superconductors don’t work because of scattering at “high” temperatures (high in this case being -200 C), fusion works but there are no materials in the world that can withstand the heat and radiation long enough to be economically viable: if you have to replace your tokamak every two years it’s never going to turn a profit, that sort of thing
>>214993978Aliens in the 40s and 50s used energy weapons for sure, but Star Trek gave it a name and made it a thing. The TOS Enterprise was the first tv spaceship that didn't look like a flying saucer. It had visually distinct sections with self explanatory purpose. Brilliant at the time. Star Trek really fleshed out those pulp magazine scifi concepts.
>>214993604Kys zoomer. Modern UIs have gotten so bad that they're objectively worse to use than UIs from the 90s now.
>>214984992it was meant to be broad strokes readable in SD, the random bits were just for decoration and didn't necessarily have continuity. Okuda aced it in that regardit was never meant to be viewed in crystal clear 4K resolution or looked at for more than a few seconds
>>214982300the colored accents is specifically why the TOS set is remembered while every other gray and white sci-fi set from the 70s was forgotten entirelysame reason the costumes and sets from the first TOS movie are bland and forgotten compared to Wrath of Khan that had the pops of red via the new uniforms
I know I'll get flack for it but VOY bridge is peak. TNG bridge aged ok, further movie bridges lost the plot. Defiants bridge in DS9 is cramped but obviously it's a small fucking ship. VOY was definitely the ship I'd hope I'd get stranded on, it was the most pragmatic.
>>214979569>watching Voyager>can't help but notice how all the carpets and dirty and scuffed
>>214994839ST5 is peak TOS era bridge
>>214994866>Chakotay ignoring the window frame
>>214980038t. Office Depot enjoyer
>>214994960is this shit really what's separating them from space? I thin layer of transparent aluminum? That doesn't look safe
>>214990200NASA built entire industries from scratch in order to build what they needed to put men on the moon, to send shit to deep space. Without a force driving long term investment, everyone just settles for the short term.
>>214995037Reminder that the space program was just a dick waving contest that didn’t really amount to anything >b..but satellites GPS is military tech
>>214990589Because they solved inertia.
>>214988395great example. All those dials and gauges have moved to a screen with a minimum of tactile buttons remaining. Stunning tbqh
>>214995070Literally every technology that has defined your life was originally developed for the space program. Solving big problems creates solutions for countless small problems. Whereas trying to solve small problems individually just creates more problems. Limiting yourself to only doing what is easy means eventually doing nothing at all.
Are we know longer bound to form follows function anymore?
>>214990200Technology comes in bursts when something new happens and then eventually it matures and stops growing quickly. Then something else comes along. You can go back earlier in human history and see the same thing. It's like evolution with animals--it's not an unstoppable force that keeps going. An alligator or shark whatever reached peak development millions of years ago and hasn't changed much since. Airplanes and nuclear weapons matured in the 1970s. Then we went on to computers.
>>214988395>instantly bricked by Van Allen belt
>>214992086Agree that TMP's uniforms were pretty bad and already dated when the movie was released. But the ship felt really big and I'm not talking about the endless exterior shots. The interior felt like a functional research vessel where a large number of people did real work. For me, the field jackets they wear when going over to Regula are peak design. About fifteen years ago I was at The Bay in Vancouver during the summer and found a coat on a sales rack that looked like those WoK field jackets but in cream white. I still regret not buying it.
>>214995267There are tons of technologies lying dormant because developing them isn’t economically viable. Economic viability is determined by how long it takes for a return of investment. Materials technology is completely stalled because it’s just cheaper to replace things than make things that last forever.
Peak sci-fi aesthetic.
>>214995262Nonsense. It was and is a way for governments to pump taxpayer money into developing military tech and tricking midwits like you into believing it’s a good thing. Commercialization of that tech is incidental
>>214979569i think part of the reason is that 60s star trek has been parodied to death, plus the computer interfaces are pre-GUI, so it doesn't have that direct interface that a touch screen would have like in TNG.
>>214995385You’re brown. Also only alive because of technologies developed for the space program.
>>214990608Seems like it could be all three, plus other factors. Not sure why anyone would try to blame it entirely on just one single factor.
>>214995292We're never getting off this rock.
I find this video highly lust provokinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05lkeKZ2JTc
>>214979764this is still very futuristic though
>>214990997Lots of the smartest people end up in adtech or fintech, neither of which advance humanity but do make lots of money.
>>214993604>warshipPicard would have your comm badge for calling it that.
>>214990200It never stopped, but it's always focused on war and weapons. We just got lucky with some reseach like microwaves and internet, their tech was always meant for the military.War drives human innovation, without war people would be happy to farm in peace, it's both our greatest sin and biggest strenght.
>>214996042>without war people would be happy to farm in peaceThe Industrial Revolution happened because it was the first time in history where more work meant more reward. With farming, more work was just wasted effort.
>>214996239>it was the first time in history where more work meant more reward.Good one.
>>214996239ye suuuuuuuuure... but competition between warring states brought on the industrial revolution.
