How come Cyberpunk as a genre always takes place somewhere in California, but never in New York?
California = close to the Pacific ocean, ergo Japanese megacorps dominateEast Coast is probably German megacorps given the economics of the time and how a lot of books were published about Japan/Germany coming back for round 2/round 3 in WW3
>German megacorps
>>214983548So Man in the High Castle but for corporate occupied zones? Like TNO Guangdong
>>214983567the 80s were a different time, anon. today the idea of Japan being a superpower outclassing the US is laughable too, but back then it was a very real concern.
>>214983242You know you can just ask ChatGPT for cyberpunk set in New York instead of making an entire topic expecting anons to do the legwork for you.
>>214983242This was made back when Los Angeles and San Francisco were really popular with Japanese tourists and corporations.
>>214983242Kathyrn Bigelow, strange days
>>214983242I get what you mean, but would the coast it's on really matter? Judge Dredd takes place on the East Coast. Robocop was in Michigan. What'd be really unique is some cyberpunk megacity set in the middle of nowhere, or just somewhere in the Midwest. Kinda like how Iowa was depicted in Star Trek. Then again, it wouldn't really matter cause all you see is the sprawl of the megacity. I suppose the point would be that the cyberpunk-ness of the era lets you build a just city anywhere.
>>214983242It's a combination of the pacific influence from Japan, noir having begun in California, and Los Angeles culture being entirely fake and anti-intellectual.See: https://time.com/archive/6690537/the-future-perfect/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cK2MPgAHRk
>>214983687Deepseek is better
>>214984055Windup Girl has Iowa as the new capital of north america.
>>214983242Not cyberpunk
>>214983630It was never a real concern it was just a meme because they were being pump and dumped just like china now, though to a greater extent
>>214983242Escape from New York
>>214984221That's a damn fine answer.
>>214983242is this a bait some one makes so often it's not even worth acknowledging?
>>214983242new york/east coast used to be where the tech was invented and then it was recklessly used in California. The only reason the movie industry exists is because they stole Edisons tech and fled to Los Angeles where he couldn't reach them. MIT used to invent all sorts of computer tech until the west coast tech companies decided to make digital standards.>>214984445no it was, they used to run ads saying "don't let the japanese buy California"
>>214984221Definitely the noir aspect is the biggest reason
>>214985574Yeah that doesnt prove anything. They could buy.all of cali and the powers that bewould.just manufacture a reason to seize it from.them
>>214985773proves it was a concern, they even used to make movies about it
>>214983242the same reason why alien planets always look like california>>214983567well yes
>>214983242In any cyberpunk future, NYC would probably have been incinerated in some prior war.
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>>214983548It was from a time where people thought the Japanese economy would keep growing and get massive. I don't think the 80's were as optimistic about Germany's chances
>>214986638why are you talking about nations? in cyberpunk they are second-rate to megacorps. and there we have the likes of saeder-krupp and ebmso yes they.were absolutely optimistic about german business acumen which is what matters
>>214983630It was the public of America's greatest WWII victory paving the way for a possible superpower to emerge in the 1980s. Growing up reading jap this jap that war propaganda, then all cars and electronics and impressionable kids cartoons are jap
>>214983242because new york is dystopian as fuck already, it's one of the most diverse cities and everyone living in it is paying thousands of dollars every month to live in a shoebox
>>214987243*It was the irony
>>214983242The Fifth Element, can't think of anything else though.
>>214984221>Los Angeles culture being entirely fake and anti-intellectual.This is true for the rich and the corporate life of LA. It's not all of LA, it's a huge area with a lot of people. Population density is so different in LA vs NY it affords more creativity in story telling. NY feels more isolated in its diversity. It's not the melting pot "of the future" it's very much of the past with people of the same culture creating entire neighborhboods. This is what cities in Rome and England did in years past when they were the center of the world. LA's general populace is very mixed and is seen as "futuristic" in that sense. There's areas that are heavily mexican, or chinese and so on, but also areas that are major blends. It's the type of thing that's predicted as "where we're headed". LA was seen as the city of the future in 1920's and 30's like it would be the next big thing, and NY was old at that point. So the noir thing I think nails it really well too.
>>214983548that would be some really cool cyberpunk. i kind of liked hellman in cyberpunk 2077 and the character made me think about the possibility of a game set in an environment not ruled by stereotypical japanese corpos, but german ones instead. it would be interesting to see if things would be shitty in a different way compared to night city.
>>214983548>East Coast is probably German megacorps given the economics of the time and how a lot of books were publishedIf anything there would've been Soviet megacorps, because everyone at that time thought that USSR will still be around and it will just turn capitalist like China. For examle in Blade Runner USSR is still exist.
>>214984421>Not cyberpunkTech noir > any other cyberpankI'd prefer a good detective/conspiracy story over yet another smash da system anarchist chimp out
Neuromancer takes place on the east coast
>>214989151Johnny Mnemonic also
>>214987244In that case it's like a Western Tokyo, it should have been the location for a lot more cyberpunk than it was.
Fifth Element is pretty cyberpunk and it's New York
Not that I care about this sort of nerdy bullshit, but I never knew the Fifth Element was considered cyberpunk.
>>214990789>Cyberpunk is characterized by its focus on a combination of "low-life and high tech". It features a range of futuristic technological and scientific achievements, including artificial intelligence and cyberware, which are juxtaposed with societal collapse, dystopia or decay.It's definitely a dystopian cyberpunk setting. You can get fired at any moment by a soulless megacorporation. Robbed at your doorway by tweakers with machine guns. Submit to police scanning your tiny apartment whenever they want, and they can bust in and drag you away for anything. The city is a mile high with the lower levels covered in smog. The ocean level has dropped hugely. There's a big disparity between the haves and have-nots of society. About all that's different from Blade Runner is that there's sunshine and it's not perpetually dark.
>>214990789>but I never knew the Fifth Element was considered cyberpunk.I'm pretty sure it's just space opera
>>214990907>juxtaposed with societal collapse, dystopia or decay.That doesn't actually describe the Fifth Element though. If it's just because some shit doesn't work, then Spaceballs is cyberpunk too then.
>>214990789that room in which bruce willis lived in the movie seemed like the horror for someone living in 1999,now having your own place for yourself its the dream of any 30 some man even if its as tiny as that.maybe it has to do with it.man,times change.
>>214990959>A dystopia is a world or society in which people lead wretched, dehumanized, fearful lives.They are in a dystopia. Their society has decayed significantly. Again, there's nothing different about it versus Blade Runner except the amount of lighting. Darkness doesn't define Cyberpunk.
K's cyberpunk room is nicer than Korbin's
>>214991129The kitchen is fine, otherwise it's a boring pos
>>214983242New York is more industrial, so I'd assume it'd be more Steampunk/WW1 and 2core.Cyberpunk fits the west coast more due to the tech industry being largely prominent there.
>>214991110There's plenty to separate it from Blade Runner beyond "darkness" (an argument I never made). For one, Blade Runner is an actual dystopia. The Fifth Element is more like a comedic exaggeration of reality told in a futuristic setting.
>>214991324kek that doesn't make any sense nor is any of it true.
>>214991374okay ranjeet
>>214991021I lived in NYC in the early 00's, and having that much space to myself would have been a Godsend.
>>214988753Blade Runner and The Thirteenth Floor are the only movies like this, it doesn't count as a genre.
>>21498324260% of movies take place in California because Hollywood is in California OP
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>>214983567Siemans is huge anon
>>214991662>are the only movies like thisWild PalmsTotal Recall 2070Ghost in the Shell 2: InnocenceMute
>>214983242Literally everything in New York is old and iconic. It's very anti-cyberpunk.
>>214992507That's not true at all, and there's not a single thing preventing them from making cyberpunk there.
>>214983242No corporation has enough power to pry any part of NYC away from the Jewish landlords
>>214983242why don't they ever do suburban settings.
>>214991662>Looker>Reminiscence>Virtuosity>New Rose Hotel>I, Robot>Surrogates>PaycheckPretty sure there's at least one time travel one I'm forgetting.
Why don't they make a cyberpunk movie that takes place in a regular Midwestern neighborhood in 2025?
>cyberpunk>blue filter>mexico>yellow filter>blue+yelllow=green>green = matrix colorErgo, The Matrix is set in Cyperpunk Mexico (Sydney, Australia)
>>214983242it's somewhere in Valoran, Runeterra btw.
