Movies about a guy who lives in building like this?
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>>214983801Peak SOVL desu
>>214983822This is in the US
These are called 5-over-1 apartments, meaning a code 5 structure (wood-frame) over a code 1 structure (concrete)They are the most common form of multifamily housing in America after the typical suburban garden apartment After scouring literally thousands of hours of film and television, I believe I can say with some authority that a 5-over-1 apartment has never been shown onscreen. I have my theories as to why.
>>214983822Apartments in the former Soviet bloc actually have a higher build quality than this, believe it or not
It looks like UK apartmentsso any movie with Simon Pegg
>>214983992Why is that? I swear I see these EVERYWHERE now. My city has built like 2 dozen in the last 10 years
>>214984132The thing you have to understand about 5-over-1's is they basically didn't exist before 2008. That means they carry no historical baggage. Quirky brownstones, public housing towers, suburban garden apartments, glass-and-steel highrises... these all come preloaded with cultural meaning. Class associations, historical periods, ethnic enclaves, etc. When a film shows a character living in a dingy pre-war Chicago courtyard building, that about that character's personality in just a few seconds. 5-over-1s, by contrast, are paradoxically both too new and too ubiquitous to occupy a well-defined place in the public imagination. There are no stories about growing up in them or making it out of them or finally being able to afford one.>the problem with ubiquityThese things went from not existing to being literally everywhere almost overnight. Suburban, urban, rural. West, east, central. Rich neighborhoods, poor neighborhoods, they're fucking everywhere and they all look exactly the same. An identical-looking 5-over-1 unit could cost $1100/mo or $3800/mo depending where it is. Are we in Seattle? Dallas? Indianapolis? Hartford? Who knows. The building conveys nothing. Finally, they're just ugly. Because nearly every American city now has anti-massing regulations designed to break up buildings' facades, they have to use 3-5 different materials like brick, vinyl, stucco, and corrugated metal on a single wall. It's incoherent and visually repulsive. Filmmakers don't like that.
>>214984446meant to respond to >>214984181
>>214984446>every American city now has anti-massing regulations designed to break up buildings' facadesWhy is that?
>>214984511We built a lot of buildings that looked like picrel in the 1950s-70s. Believe it or not, this look was considered cutting-edge and futuristic in the mid 20th century. Most of the public housing complexes in America have been torn down, but when they existed, they used this mid-century modernist style. So in the popular imagination, buildings like this became associated with violence and disorder. Unable to acknowledge the realities of black crime, many progressive urban planners began to blame the literal buildings themselves, said they were too boxy and oppressive and this pushed black teenagers to commit crime. You'd be shocked at how readily people accepted this. So in the 1990s, cities began to pass legislation banning uniform facades and massing (basically, the shape of the building). This was done to create "visually interesting and stimulating" streetscapes but all it did was create these absurd, incoherent mid-rises that use 5 different facade materials with no visual harmony. It's also why you haven't seen a new symmetrical building in like 30 years, city regulations force architects to build projections and other asymmetries.
>>214984712>>214984511wouldn't let me upload this with the post
>>214984446>>214984712Thanks urban planner anon this is insighfutl and sad
those buildings are not tall enough but im thinking of:dreddthe raidhigh-rise
>>214984881You'd love China
>>214984132yeah, they boys live in one on Peep Show don't they?
>>214985191No, Britain doesn't build 5-over-1s. Mark and Jez lived in a regular steel-and-concrete midrise apartment. And since it was in the UK, the masonry exterior was probably really high quality too. The UK doesn't do much right anymore, but damn if they don't have the best bricklayers in the world. You have to understand that buildings like this only really exist in America, because other developed countries don't think living in plywood and carboard buildings is acceptable.
>>214985224Are these things thrown up (heh) simply because they’re cheap and they can maximize developer profits? They’re clearly awful looking, I don’t imagine they’re great to live in
>>214985244>They’re clearly awful looking, I don’t imagine they’re great to live inThey're not. The only thing separating each floor is a layer of plywood, so you can hear your upstairs neighbor get up to piss at night. And God help you if they have a toddler or a big dog.
>>214985305Don’t forget the tiny shitty balconies and the layouts with units all on one side so it’s impossible to get any natural airflow going. Grim
>>214983992Thought it meant 5 floors (residential) over 1 (commercial)
>>214983801A JConn character lived in one of those with her daughter
>>214985378It's confusing because the height limit for the code 5 wood structure is 5 stories lol. But you often see 2 or even 3 concrete floors below, sometimes residential, sometimes commercial, sometimes just an amenity floor with a giant leasing office
Paper houses with cheap made in China tier interior.No soul in sight as you get fleeced out of your rent. Smallest odd corner shaped condo behind the elevators: $1900 a month.
>>214985244As long as they are under a certain height they can be made with wood instead of steel framing so, yes, it's to keep costs down which is why you get entire city blocks of them and you just hope they at least get a semi useful store in them instead of yet another hair salon and for lease signs.
>>214983801Don’t forget if you live far from the parking area you’re literally walking a block to and from your apartment every day, and you’re being charged luxury prices because it has a pool and a fancy lobby no one ever sits in.
>>214983801Not a movie, but a series, 15 Storeys High. Good stuff.
another scripted infomercial thread
>>214983801Salt Lake City is full of these. In fact, I think that picture is from SLC.
>>214987155time for your morning dose of clonazepam
>>214983941>making AI sloppa when fugly KFC exist IRL
AI data mining thread
The architecture/ urban planning pill is a big one. After WW2, Americans just completely forgot how to build attractive buildings. Literally everything built before was attractive, and after 1950, everything changed and was modernist. Then around 2000 it changed again and everything became postmodernist, the housing like OP and skyscrapers like pic rel.The main thing is the uniformity. Pre 1950, everything was good. Post, EVERY building was built in the mid century modernist style. Post 2000, EVERY building is built in the postmodernist style. There are just NO attractive buildings being built. All of this stuff looks like it will need to get torn down in 40 years anyways so maybe we'll have another architectural revolution and make things good next time around.
>>214984712Anti-massing regulations weren't implemented because progressives were "Unable to acknowledge the realities of black crime". It's because multi-family housing that looks like one building gets called communist which is the most evil thing in the world, so buildings can't look like commie blocks.
>>214989077Hairy Brown what, Michael?
>>214987374>clonazepamFuck I wish. Benzos are one of the best gifts ever given to mankind, it's amazing such a substance can exist. Unfortunately if you're a complete retard that lacks any forethought with zero self control you can very quickly ruin your life... but the same logic can be applied to a whole litany of other things people do anyways.
>>214987527this is comfortably dystopian
>>2149838015 over 1 apartments are nice. They're efficient to build. Quality is good enough. You get a pool and a parking space in the deck. They all have full modern appliances. You get a balcony. I really don't get the hate, if you're a person in your 20's they're a nice setup as long as the location is good.
>>214988115That building is much more expensive to build than 5 over 1 apartment buildings. That building would have to have very high rent in order for it to be viable. 5 over 1's are built because they're efficient and good enough. Not every building has to be a work of art.
>>214985378It has a dual meaning. It means both type V construction over Type I construction, or means up to 5 wooden floors over 1 concrete podium, its actually kind of unclear which is actually the origin of the term.
>>214988115Mid century architecture is beautiful you retard
>>214985891>Don’t forget if you live far from the parking area you’re literally walking a block to and from your apartment every dayImagine how fat you have to be to think this is a significant problem
>>214990128lol u r poor
>>214983992yup no houses being built at all. just these fucking things
>>214990324well no, there's certainly still lots of single family homes being built, especially on the outskirts of metro areas. But in high land value areas, it generally makes more sense to build multi-family, and its also a good thing for society since there is an unmet demand for rental apartments in many metro areas. These are also good for revitalizing downtowns which became disinvested in during the 20th century, building these over underutilized land in the core of cities helps provide housing, is good for the city's tax base and helps bring business downtown (since increasing downtown population provides demand for cafes, restaurants, shops, bars, entertainment). If you don't want to live in them nobody is forcing you to.
>>214990453Rent goes up every time one of these is built.
>>214985224I was shocked when I learned that these things are mostly made out of wood, I wouldn't feel safe on the 5th floor of that thing, I've seen videos of how shoddily mcmansions are made and I don't think it's any different in nuameriblock
>>214987527looks like an unreal tournament map
>>214990491It’s actually the opposite https://www.nbcnews.com/business/real-estate/high-housing-costs-minneapolis-solution-rcna170857
>>214990536>nbcKEk lying shill. Rents at these buildings is ALWAYS higher than everywhere else. Every single time.
>>214990574More supply creates lower demand. It’s really simple.
>>214983801A Bug’s Life
>>214990491Well that's not actually true, the (southern) metros that have built the most of these have had stagnant or even declining rent. Austin is the extreme case and had significant rent declines due to overbuilding (there was an expected increase in demand via the tech industry that didn't really materialize). Market rent is simply a matter of supply and demand. Increasing supply will cause decrease in market rent if demand remains the same. The rent going up in areas where more 5 over 1s are built is caused by the demand, and the new construction is happening because developers are meeting the demand. So its not really the construction that caused rent increases, its rent increases that cause new construction. Rent increases are a price signal to developers that they need to build and to financial institutions that they need to finance construction in that area. That's how the free market meets the needs of the people. The problem comes when over-regulation by local governments prevents construction (such as zoning), drives up construction costs(such regulations for contractors to use or unionization), or depresses demand (rent control or mandating a certain amount of units are below market rate)
>>214990574>Rents at these buildings is ALWAYS higher than everywhere elseBecause they're new. New construction is always going to be more expensive than the median. But they devalue the older buildings. Its like during COVID when no new cars came in, which jacked up the prices of used cars. Then when new cars started flowing again the used cars were devalued. This is called filtering
>>214983801Got to store the wagies somewhere.
>>214983992>>214984181its where they put yuppie cattle. they come out of school thinking they make a lot so they get a "luxury" apartment and a 3 series bmw and think they arent peasants to slave for the jew powerstructure
>>214990030>person in your 20sHow are these people affording $2000 studio units at that age?When I was 20 I was paying $400 for a600sf 1bd and k thought that was a lot
>>214983822This is an extremely common building in western europe, troonster.
>>214983801What is that, like Scandinavian social housing?
>>214983801Every other thought he has is about americans
>>214991032>How are these people affording $2000 studio units at that age?Typically by having a job. The $2000 studio ones will typically be in a bit higher cost of living areas where there's lots of highly paid young professionals. It depends on the metro area, how new they are, and what neighborhood of the city its in. Salaries have also increased since you were paying $400 for a 1BR. I personally live in a 5-over-1 and pay $1500 for a 1 BR, but its a 15-year-old building in a MCOL area, though in the most expensive neighborhood of the metro. There are some studios in newer buildings (especially the high rise ones) that will be upwards to $2000, but there are also studios in my neighborhood as low as $1300, and a lot of the studios are quasi-1 BR just the wall doesn't reach the ceiling. $1500 is certainly the floor for 1BR, and 1BRs can get much higher depending on the building.
I pay $2400 a year for my third world monkey apartment and don't work. Still a nicer building than these hideous things
>>214983942Those kinds of buildings are popping up all over the world. Its a global architectural blight.
>>214991106>>214991115They don't really build mid-rises with conventional wood in Europe. Scandis will build with mass timber but that's different. Wooden mid rises (with first floor being concrete) are very common in North America. As long as you build a concrete podium, you can build 5 stories on top of it with normal wood, which is a much cheaper way to construct.
>>214991243I wish that were true. When I was 20 I was making 30,000 a year right after I graduated. I am now 32 and only making 65,000 a year. My wages have stagnated in the last 2 years and even went down for a few months as the company I worked for went through layoffs
I like my luxury high rise :)
>>214991464okay. Regardless, even after adjusted for inflation, median income has significantly risen.
>>214983801i live in atlanta and im fucking sick of seeing these pop up
>>214991626Imagine being so soft that a building makes you upset. What a bitch.
>>214990536>>214991243Is yours 1/5 "affordable housing"?Sounds like code for section 8
>>214991708No my apartment is entirely market rate. In my city the only apartments that are 'mixed income' are those where a developer developed what was formerly low-density affordable housing by making an agreement with the city's housing authority, so the number of below market rate units stayed the same but the number of market rate units increased. But that's not that many buildings. >Sounds like code for section 8Some cities will require below market rate then not even subsidize it, forcing landlords to take a loss on some of the units (called inclusionary zoning). This of course depresses housing construction and makes the housing market worse for renters, but leftist nimwits don't understand this.
>>214991650imagine being so fucking gay you let /tv/ retards tell you how to think
>>214991786I worry more about the below market rates trashing the ppace and being loud
>>214990497>>214990453>>214990620I'm shocked but not surprised that someone is being paid to shill for the American housing market. I've never lived nor visited a 5-over-1 that wasn't a complete shithole, and that's regardless of absolute unit cost or relative affordability - $500/mo and $5000/mo, they're all the same. Broken appliances. Zero sound dampening, zero insulation. Trash in hallways because there's no trash pickup and everyone's too lazy to go to the dumpster that's 5 parking lots away - also, stacks of old furniture and piles of literal dogshit for the very same reason. Pools that smell like they'll melt your flesh right off. But 5-over-1s are the symptom, not the cause. And the fact that highly educated goons are here to defend them in /tv/ of all places is very telling.
>>214991859then don't rent an apartment in a mixed-income building, not really that difficult.
>>214983801Technically, The Shining.
>>214991877Sounds like you rented shitty apartments and are blaming it on the architecture type for some reason. I've also lived in shitty single family homes, but I'm not going to say my experience makes all single family homes shit. Nobody is forcing you to live in a 5 over 1, you can simply choose not to, but my experience has been positive. I've certainly never lived in one that had surface parking lots, so I can't relate to the "5 parking lots away" part. Most near me have parking garages, only the ones in low land value areas have surface lots.
>>214991291What is it even called? I've had trouble finding a term even though it's so ubiquitous and distinct.
>>214987527That's a building from an RTS game. Chicken tanks are going to roll out of there.
>>214991291People said the same about brownstones when they were being built. Nostalgia makes culture of us all.
>>214988115lot of words to say >LE NEW BAD, LE OLD GOODyou're like a fucking redditor faggot wearing a fedora trying to be a gentlemen
>>214989035American cities are controlled by leftists and have been since the early 20th century. Anti-massing regulations came out of a reckoning moment in the 1990s where leftists had to mentally square why American high-rise public housing had been such a massive failure. If you read any popular or urban planning-oriented sources from the time, they literally blame the buildings for being too imposing and "oppressive". Concrete and brick makes blacks steal and rape, dontcha know? It's definitely not just something that blacks do wherever they live. No sir. So now you get government-mandated plastic and cardboard 5-over-1s with sheet metal and vinyl and stucco alternating every 3 feet like a schizophrenic designed it. Because libtards couldn't come to terms with the fact that blacks commit crime everywhere they live, regardless of the architecture surrounding them.
Missourian here. In St. Louis, we built the poor blacks modern, state-of-the-art apartment buildings close to jobs and transit. The residents ruined them almost immediately. Fun fact, the architect of the OG World Trade Center Twin Towers designed this project.
>>214992170Brownstones weren't made of hardie board and plastic and plywood though
>>214992454Why does wood construction make so many people seethe? Its cost effective and good enough. If you don't like it don't live there, but I much prefer my wooden apartment to the 60 year old apartment I lived in when I was in Chicago
>>214992403Exactly.>b-but they weren't properly maintained! >disinvestment! I know libtards don't actually know or read anything, but if you look at contemporary accounts of life in these buildings, you see that the people who lived there would break windows every single day for fun. They'd intentionally sabotage the elevators weekly. Literally weekly. They would get into the walls and fuck with the pipes and then when the plumber came to fix it (on the taxpayer's dime btw), they'd assault and rob him. It didn't matter how many millions of dollars the city set aside for maintenance, the residents made sure it was never enough. These buildings are way higher in build quality than modern 5-over-1 apartments btw. Massively overengineered, huge 2-foot concrete slabs between each floor, stuff you only find in luxury high-rise builds today.
>>214992523shit insulation, shit durability, shit longevity. here only very poor people use wood over concrete or brick. it is just retarded to build a house out of wood. kids have treehouses made of wood, it is not serious
>>214992523>I like my 2008 Kia Soul, it's good enough!Ok. Good for you, I'm glad there's someone willing to occupy those cardboard shitboxes. Better hope you don't get a loud neighbor.
>>214992588>I like my 2008 Kia Soul, it's good enough!nta but I'd rather have one of those than a modern Bugmobile EV. It is a spacious and fun car to drive. people with brand new cars are stupid posers
>>214992588I live in one and never hear my neighbor
>>214987527>Tfw eating a bucket of fried chicken while shopping for a new F-150Yep I'm thinkin' I'm MURRICAN now.
>>214992403Imagine becoming a genius architect only to have all your buildings detonated.
>Watch movie set in England>Cities look like shitholesare there any good examples of English cities looking nice on film?
>>214992659Based top floor master race
>>214992749I think it redpilled him.
>>214992755On film? The Sherlock series maybe. IRL, London can be cool on the rare sunny day.
>>214992807not cities but this is peak britainI'd stay away from the newer ones as they start getting full of you-know-whats
>>214992652You realize the 5-over-1 IS the equivalent of a modern bugmobile EV, right?
>>214992979probably costs the same to buy
>>214992807>he 'never thought people were that destructive'clearly never spent much time around jigaboos
>>214987527thanks I love it
>>214991993I saw some article call it a gentrification block or something along those lines
>>214983992>After scouring literally thousands of hours of film and television, I believe I can say with some authority that a 5-over-1 apartment has never been shown onscreen.Spooky. What are they hiding?
>>214993711I’d just call it redevelopment. Gentrification implies improvement, which is pure marketing hooey
>>214983992>>214993907That evil dead movie with the redhead had one I think?
>>214983992Just tell us your fucking theories.
>>214985092imagine living in buildings so large that your neighbors are just abstractions because you can probably live there for 20 years and only ever see 20% of them
>>214992338American cities are controlled by detached single-family homowners and they have been since the 60s.
>>214989077oh that's the one where he throws a tangerine bomb at some yoofs
>>214992755I actually really like 70s brit films where you can see modern buildings but the dockyards still look like they're from the 30s.
>>214992582>shit durability, shit longevityThis doesn't matter. The Japanese have figured that out. The best thing to do is just to build things and then rebuild to current specifications every few decades rather than try to make a building that will last a century. We have a bunch of high rise concrete office towers in USA that were built to last that are currently empty because they lack demand. Best thing is just to build an apartment building that will last 30 years than when time comes it can be demoed and whatever people want then can be built.
>>214983801one plus five buildings are cancer and not safe
>>214994019These are largely replacing surface parking, old light industrial buildings, and vacant lots where vagrants loitered, so yes they are indeed an improvement
>>214990117The green carries.
>>214995757Provide statistical evidence that they are not safe.
>>214991493Man I miss mine. I was on the north side of Chicago and it was awesome for the past 10 years. Now Chicago fucking sucks.
>>214993907Traditional housing is deadYou vill live in the yuppie housing blockYou vill live next to whoever the current administration wishes to punish you with
>>214992338It's crazy seeing someone make rational and emotionally well-balanced posts and then spiral into ranting about black people like an insane person like halfway through. Motherfuckers would literally prefer to believe schizo conspiracy theories about hiding black crime then acknowledge that gigantic slabs of Gray with nothing to break them up just looks like fucking dog shit
>>214995853They're not just "yuppie blocks," thoughYou can find them in semi-rural areas. You can find them in the South Side of Chicago. They're everywhere, in every neighborhood at every income level
>>214995731>The best thing to do is just to build things and then rebuildyeah, if you are poor or retarded
>>214995805It’s great isn’t it? Like living in a hotel.
>>214995805It's actually insane how nice Chicago was from about 1999-2017.
>>214996005I mean, he's right. Black people, at least from my experience and from what I have read, are violent and antisocial people. Maybe this is due to systemic poverty and other bullshit I'm not trying to be racist here, but I do think blacks ruined housing estates more than 'oppressive' architecture
>>214995796not gonna spoonfeed you but if you want to look it up the main problem is fire safety
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>>214996005Again, I know liberals don't actually read or know anything, but if you look at any architectural or sociological history, the author will directly blame the design of the buildings for the failure of American public housing. There's no "conspiracy theory," it's literally the thesis of these books. It's easier to blame a scary ~brick wall~ than deal with the realities of a population with extremely high time preference, low impulse control, and an average IQ a full standard deviation below the human norm. >b-but I prefer buildings with six different cheap facade materials glued to a hardie board wallThat's called having bad taste. It's okay, it's not a moral failing, but let's call it what it is.
>>214988115Nah, glass and steel skyscrapers make me feel calm and pleasant. Much better than the stagnant feeling of old buildings. They are not equivalent to the depressing dark and grey commieblock.
>>214996067That's an insane position to hold because ass has been noted in this thread 5 billion times, this style of architecture is built in literally every single neighborhood in America. You can't blame black people for the architecture in extremely wealthy neighborhoods like Atherton, Beverly hills etc. these are the wealthiest cities in America and are run completely by the people who own property there. If they wanted different architectural styles in those neighborhoods then that's what they would have. These styles of buildings exist because the general public thinks that having buildings made entirely out of stone or marble or whatever it looked like dog shit. Any other reason is just cope
>>214996117Five over 1 apartments have a better fire safety track record than single family homes. >Rate of fire death in modern apartments is one-sixth the rate of single-family houses and older apartment buildingshttps://www.pew.org/en/research-and-analysis/issue-briefs/2025/09/modern-multifamily-buildings-provide-the-most-fire-protection
>>214996197>if you look at any architectural or sociological history, the author will directly blame the design of the buildings for the failure of American public housingCool then you should easily be able to provide studies to support your claim that modern architecture of apartment buildings is defined by defending the reputation of black Americans
>>214996117>>214996473
>>214983801>Movies about a guy who lives in building like this?All of Texas looks like this now
>>214996397I don't think "the general public" is polled when promoters decide to build one of these
>>214996510why they call it a Texas donut
>>214996397>These styles of buildings exist because the general public thinks that having buildings made entirely out of stone or marble or whatever it looked like dog shit. Any other reason is just coperace stuff aside this is an incredibly stupid thing to think. Imagine thinking the general public decide what apartment blocks are going to look like. It's a few architects, consultants and public sector officials. Nobody asked for those disgusting blocks, it was the result of neurotic health and safety regulations and a handful of pathetic men
>>214996493it takes decades for these kinds of failures to reign in. When you look at sfh house fires 90+% of them come from houses built before 1950.
>>214995805>>214996039What happened in 2017?
>>214996197NTA, but I would like a book recommendation.
>>214997056Nta but Chicago guy here. Around 2017 the real estate market exploded in west loop, we have almost 40 more luxury high rises now than we did 8 years ago. Prices skyrocketed, and middle class were pushed farther away from the city. Not to mention most of those buildings built have been soilless grayscale boxes
