You are asked to assist with a prequel remake. How do you fix this character without fundamentally altering Lucas's vision?
>>214991117Just make the dialogue and writing more human instead of making them act like robots
>>214991117>How do you fix this character Anakin is a fan-favorite and probably the most compelling character in the entire canon so I'm not sure how one would go about "fixing" him. Fans criticized child Anakin and a few awkward bits of dialogue from the teen version but what they don't understand is that awkwardness is actually necessary to make the character feel human/believable and not just a larger than life magic samurai in space.
>>214991117Make the conflict between Anakin and Obi wan a bit more apparent, with Anakin blaming Obi wan for the death of his mother. And it would also make his turn to the dark side more natural
This is all hair splitting and the PT is fine. But>he should have been a bit older in TPM to make the storyline make sense, like 13>should have focused more on how the Jedi were alienating and ostracizing him and Obi Wan was the only one that trusted and loved him>Tone down some of the camp in the acting
>>214991179You wouldn't tweak anything? I would at a very minimum alter his massacre of the tuskin raiders so that it's more defensible. Like they discover him, he kills her captors which alerts the others and the women and children are somehow collateral. So there's one small decision point where he lets his emotions and anger get the best of him and then he's in too deep. I'd also change the presentation of the youngling massacre. Make him reluctant yet determined. Like a man having to put down his dog because he bit a kid if that makes sense.
>>214991378Hayden Christensen does enough of that with nonverbal acting anyway. Most actors wouldn't have done as good of a job portraying that inner conflict.
>>214991117ep 1 takes place at the beginning of the clone wars. anakin is a young man and obi is a seasoned knight. anakin is already secretly with padme, who is a generic politician on coruscant. maul is the "face" of the bad guys through all three movies while sheev manipulates from the shadows as usual. dooku begins the trilogy a jedi master, eventually leaves the order after growing disillusioned with the council after qui gonn's death, then remains a more or less neutral figure who isn't sympathetic to the jedi but doesn't fall to the dark side. he is consulted by various jedi characters and tempted/threatened to join the dark side by maul, but ultimately remains a classic grey jedi. grievous appears in all three movies and we get more of his backstory, he serves as the secondary bad guy behind maul. sheev manipulates anakin like usual but the dooku/council rift is where the true shattering of the jedi would ultimately stem from - it would tie into qui gonn's death and therefore directly affect obi and ani. i would need more time to figure out the exact details on that part, but it could easily be done. couple that internal strife with sheev's brainwashing of anakin and the fall of the jedi feels a bit more organic than order 66. obi and ani's fight on mustafar remains largely the same. also, the third prequel ends with vader's helmet sliding onto his head - it clicks into place, brief pause, then one raspy vader breath and cut to black
>>214991117Make Padme his mother rather than his lover, or make Shmi a more prominent character throughout all 3 films rather than a side quest that resulted in no real punishment outside of Padme witnessing Anakins dark side. Also, midichlorians need to have an actual point to his character rather than a throwaway line about Jesus.
>>214991490As much as he can. But the way he's set up makes him look like an irrational psychopath. Like he just turned into a serial killer over night.
>>214991117Get rid of Qui Gon. Have the movie start with a 15 year old padawan Anakin and his Master, Obiwan. Get rid of the weird Virgin Birth, Shmee, CIA, podracing, Tatooine etc. Just start on Coruscant Jedi Academy. The rest can be the same. Tatooine can just be an obscure planet chosen by obiwan later as a place to hide, not the mecca of Star Wars, hence Vader never finding him and Luke. And for the love of god, get a proper script writer to write the dialogue.
>>214991566He's a child slave turned child soldier turned war criminal and that's all very explicitly established in the trilogy. It would've been more jarring had he not turned out to be a complete psycho by the end of it.
>>214991117>How do you fix this characterI don't because you can't fix perfection.
>>214991378How do you find killing people who would enslave, rape, torture, and kill innocent people bad? You wouldn't be a Palestine supporter by chance?
>>214991117I basically make him Revan.>Clone Wars happen>The jedi don't want to fight in a war between the Republic and the Republic>Anakin goes off to fight in a foolish idealistic crusade>Some other jedi follow him, including eventually Obi Wan>War fucks Anakin up>By the time it's over, Anakin decides that the whole Republic and Jedi thing is not working out, and it's time to make Sheev emperor
>>214991914You know what? I dont hate this.
One thing I would change is Palpy not immediately telling Anakin he doesn't know how to save Padme.It's just a pointless moment - he DOES have freaky life powers which Anakin could find out about, if he doesn't want to save Padme he can find a million ways to get rid of her, and it gets rid of one of Anakin's biggest motivations
>>214991897>Implying Israel is innocentFuck off
Leave it be, it was good enough as a political epichttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TSqjRgh2ZY
>>214991117Make Anakin turn to the dark side a lot slower instead of within 5 minutes
>>214991378The people who take issue with the obvious tusken raiders scene are very weird to me. He's a knight, his mom was just captured and slain, these are known barbarians, it's literally a non point. The reason he crashed out with Padme was because he knew he lost his cool and violated Jedi stoicism not because he felt guilty about merking evil creatures.
>>214991897I don't view it as a good vs evil thing. I view it as Anakin struggling with the fundamental principles of jediism. One of which is that you shouldn't be attached to other people including your mother.
Have big tiddied female fox aliens as the main characters
>>214992032>but wattabout chungus muslemerinosGo watch another Bill Burrqa standup with your reddit troonsisters.
Literally all you have to do is let the actors not talk like aspies. They wanted to but Lucas wouldn't let them, but he would later approve of more human sounding people in the clone wars cartoon. Just let Anakin talk normal and all the problems go away
He immediately beheads jarjar
>>214992361The whole point of his mom's death as a plot point is to lay out the fact that A) he's deeply attached to the people he cares about and B) losing them or the fear of losing them makes him capable of acting in monstrous ways. It directly sets up his fall to the dark side. It's actually very important that the Tusken raiders bit is set up correctly and is seen as believable.
>>214992444Yes but it isn't about the Tuskens. The Tuskens are beyond reproach and are known to be evil and barbaric. It's about him giving in to his passion, emotions, anger and revenge. The revenge was still justified, as a Jedi he's just supposed to be higher than it. He's mad because he can't control himself like that and is giving in to passion. You weren't supposed to actually sympathize with the murderous niggerpeople you were supposed to see him losing his discipline. He's still a knight and his job is to kill people, there is no getting around this obvious fact.
>>214992508You're completely wrong, him giving in to rage and killing even the Tusken women and children isn't just him "losing his discipline," it's him giving into rage and becoming a monster. It's an early tell for his turn.
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>>214992538I just said he was giving in to his passion and anger. It is totally justified. Who gives a fuck if it's a "woman" if she sits there and is party to people being captured slaved and beaten to death? You're the monster you wormy little creature. Yes, you absolutely should get revenge for people fucking over and killing your mom. Good God.
>>214992361Nothing you're saying is at odds with my point. He sees his mom and does a Haditha massacre. Obviously he is going to kill the males involved. But it's presented as this situation where he overindulges because he needs catharsis rather than justice. It just makes more sense to me that he would kill the males and then maybe chooses to use a bomb while he's escaping which kills the whole tribe. Basically I would set it up so there is a progression starting from a small but relatable decision. Because he just goes ape shit chasing down women and kids and then tells padme like some sort of unstable psycho.
>>214992444>A) he's deeply attached to the people he cares about and B) losing them or the fear of losing them makes him capable of acting in monstrous ways.This is just called being a human being. It makes sense as to why Anakin's descent is so jarring. Lucas is a black and white, humans should be stoic robots kind of guy.
I wouldn't fix anything at all.
>I sympathize with Tusken Raiders>I think it's ok that violent criminals get released 20 times before murdering a white girlThere's a lot of overlap between these two groups isn't there. It's so weird how entertainment bleeds into real life like this. People are simply the way that they are and it infects their perspective on everything.
>>214992577I think the same thing but it's presented as something you SHOULDN'T relate to. Anakin tells padme that he chopped up the women and children in an unhinged confession, stopping just short of saying I AM EVIL. That's why I would make it more gradual. He was indoctrinated to be a stoic jedibot for over a decade. I would expect him to struggle to restrain himself a little when he pops his sith cherry.
>>214992817He doesn't think he's evil, she doesn't think he's evil. He thinks he lost his cool and is angry about failing his order. He was taught that passion and revenge are bad. Padme is more nuanced. She sees this hot knight she's already been into for a while slaying an entire tribe for killing his own mother and immediately gets beyond wet.Redditors don't understand any of this
>>214991117>How do you fix this character without fundamentally altering Lucas's vision?make him a mulatto girl
>>214992860You're giving Lucas too much credit. I fell into the trap of thinking the prequels were thoughtful critiques of democracy, and that he intended to portray the Jedi Order as a bureaucracy filled with zealots. But after watching him talk about his ideas I realized these critiques are accidental. When he beats you over the head with "passion bad, democracy good" he literally means those things.
>>214992653>This is just called being a human being.Most people would not be capable of slicing up a bunch of women and children even if someone they love was murdered
>>214992032Funny how I never said that yet you always JUMP to respond with that. People who would beat, rape, torture, and kill innocent people are evil and deserve to die that's it.
>>214993021All he did was tell a story, he can't tell us who was right and wrong in it. Knowingly or not he is partially telling a story of an apathetic, detached, and corrupted order of religious monks who lost the plot and their chance at attaining a great leader due to their dogmatic love for apathy and detachment. How can those who care for nothing but an institution protect people? They could not. Anakin was the harmonious synthesis of light/dark side strengths and that's why Qui Gonn (a fellow force grey) noticed and chose him. Both dogmatic sides were bested by this harmony and the Force smiled on those who used its whole, not just parts of it.
>>214991544I really like this take, so you're making more of the subtext, hole fixes, read more as text on screen to create a better fluidity with what is already there. I would argue they should start with Hayden, as much as I get wanting to start with child Anakin, children are just not usually good enough to hold the weight on screen. I honestly cannot think of a child depiction on screen that could fit in its place, in any movie where the child was already not 'older' seeming and acting/written more as an adult in a child body. Massaging the operatic quality of some scenes might be necessary for newer audiences to get it but I would caution against removing them entirely, down playing maybe but the reason we're still arguing about theses movies, is their ineffable qualities.
>>214992010If you read the novelization, while he finds her death useful, he doesn't directly co-sign it, if anything, keeping her alive would make it easier for palps to control anakin, so my guess is he just uses these situations to the best that he can. He can clearly forsee certain parts of the future, the big moments, but my guess is he just uses shit in the moment. She's already dead, so better to twist him with it. He also wasn't aware of anakin's kids, so he clearly cannot see everything, even at height of his power.
>>214993353It's not about foreseeing her death or spinning it to his purpose or anything like that, it's about immediately telling Anakin he doesn't know how to save her when he knights Anakin as a Sith.It's bad character wise and it's bad story wise, it doesn't serve a purpose because Sheev never even gets a chance to try saving her.
>>214991117It really doesn't need much to fix. The plot points are all where they should be, and follows each other without contradiction, it's just that the dialogue is horrendous and clumsy, and a few sections moves a little to quickly. Jar Jar was a misstep in the first film as he is too much of a clown. How open Anakin is with Padme in film 2 and 3 I think is another and Padme falling for Anakin would work better if he was putting up a front, an idealized image while keeping secrets, and it would parallel better with how the sith operate. That would also open up how Palpatine ultimately seduces him to the dark side, if during film 3 he is the only one Anakin starts being completely honest with.
>>214993734I get why you would want anakin to have a duplicitous side but honestly, his naivety and innocence is as much a part of his appeal to padme, and palps. He isn't smart enough to hide shit from her and giving him that ability would fundamentally alter too many things. Anakin in a lot of ways reminds me of Chuck's Captain Awesome, he just develops into someone who is good at the things he tries, he fails, then becomes good at them eventually and ends up surpassing everyone else. The sequence of him getting messed up in the starfighter only to pull out an impossible stunt of punching a hole through an exploding trade federation cruiser when he is still a teenager as an example. The entire early sequence was he sucked in that starfighter because it felt off. So he kept tweaking it, secretly until he pulled a maximum effort stunt worthy of being one of best starfighters in galaxy. But he failed continuously in the book until he got it right and his autism to get it right is why he surpasses everyone but he just never gives up, ever. Being that honest, to fault of stupidity is why changing him underneath is a bad idea.
>>214993883To expand on my point a bit, it also makes his turn to evil, have that much more depth, because he doesn't just stick his toe in, he becomes it.
>>214992406>>214993058Yeah well you can be against both Israel and Palestine, however Israel is much much worse especially with it's US attack dog through AIPAC .
>>214991566IIRC actual psychologists have analyzed Hayden's mannerisms, speech, actions, etc. and diagnosed Anakin as "BPD."
>>214991117It's not about what you're telling, it is how you tell itStar Wars prequels stories are good, they're just told like shitWhereas Disney movies are written like shit AND directed like shit
>>214994214Yeah the strategic vision of the prequels mog the OT hard. They just needed someone other than Lucas to execute.
