>The Mahdi is too humble to say he is the Mahdi!I mean, is Stilgar wrong?
The change to the ending is retarded when Chani walks away from him. He rescued her people from a slow certain death without a clear leader and yet is disillusioned when he pulls it off. The modern world doesnt understand how other messianic cultures work. A King is messianic and all triumphs are attributed to him but if he fails enough times then you get a new one. It doesnt matter if there was a plan in place or not.
I have not read the books so maybe he'sactually not the Mahdi but in the movies he seems to be so I guess he was in fact right.
>>215017601why does your pic look all blurry and weird
Dune is very Shia coded. When is the Mahdi gonna return and wipe out Israel off the map? Who do we need to feed LSD for it to happen irl?
>>215017601I got really high for this film and for some reason the acting in those scenes where they discuss and argue over Paul seemed so bizarre to me, almost like a freshman level drama project. Two opposing sides facing each other and people coming out of the crowd to give their little slogan - it was so ridiculous and inorganic. Later I watched it sober and it didnt stick out that bad. Btw I only smoke weed super rarely so I was stoned off my balls - something about weed makes you sensitive to witnessing weird social interactions.
Did the bene Gesserit not just make everything up then spread the stories into arrakis tears a go
>>215017755The prophecy is basically that pol conspiracy that the jews invented Christianity to enslave the goyim. The whole thing was invented to subjugate people on Arrakis but they didnt count on someone actually using the prophecy against them and instigating a holy war
>>215017601I had trouble sleeping for months but watching any of the two dune movies puts me right to sleep, such fucking boring nothing happens on a desert shit tier movies
>>215017755Books and the movie are basically reversed. Book Paul was actively playing along with his messiah role and encouraging fremens to worship him while Stilgar was the only one with doubts about it. Movie Paul is a humble lil jewboi who just wants to let stronk black womyns lead the revolution (in the books fremen society is a strict patriarchy) and Stilgar is a dumb conversative boomer.
>>215017755The books are in a muddle about this as well. Thematically the books are basically:>charismatic leaders are..le bad!>now watch as this charismatic leader literally saves the day and brings paradise to his chosen people
>>215017756ease off the spice, anon
More like the muh'dick
>>215017880>brings paradisedid you read the second book, anon?
>>215017836If you're a schzio you notice those things. I remember whenever I smoked with my friends it was like watching a bad sitcom. The conversations seemed scripted and I could easily figure put what they would say next. And every conversation followed the same pattern. But you can see very clearly that there is skill in maintaining a conversation, the charisma or whatever. 90% of people just react to whatever the charismatic guy is saying, the generator or whatever. I also recommend taking LSD and hanging out with your sober friends. Tou see how we are literally animals just reacting to shit. Just don't smoke weed on LSD peak because that shit is something else, breaking the simulation and simulation breaks you. Very demonic feeling. Don't recommend. If you think paranoia on weed is bad this shit is hell. Movies always portray bad trips as seeing demons or feeling paranoid and there is truth in this but it's like incomprehensible how fucked we are but the hormons and coping mechanisms regulate all that.
If anyone tries to make Fremen into mudslims/browns he has completely missed the fucking point of the book and hasn't even read it. This adaptation is pure shit.I won't even rant how they absolutely butchered Harkonnens because it's just not worth it.
>>215017601He gave them the most dangerous thing of all. Hope.
>>215018145>I won't even rant how they absolutely butchered HarkonnensBy making them less disgusting and more aesthetic oriented?
> brings paradise to his chosen peoplet. hadn't read book 2-3-4
>>215017849Yes, but it was in the service of Kwisatz Haderach eventually happening. So technically they provided the question and the answer.
How did this nigga survive the gas?
Some many quotes are trans-coded.
>>215018302he was blinded and didn't deploy the poison close enough?
>>215017861That's because all adaptations flanderize Atreides as the good guys. In the books they're perfectly willing to be underhanded and this extends to Paul who will use every means to win after he commits to his Fremen life.
>>215018226Harkonnens are stand-in for the Roman Empire aesthetically-wise. Baron also constantly wears flashy clothing, rings, adorns himself in riches etc. is extremely flamboyant and also his chapters are by far the most entertaining with his internal monologue.Making them into literal fucking albinos in a fully black-and-white planet because muh BLACK SUN bullshit pseudoscience i have to make up for my shitty movie (BRAVO DENIS) is peak hackery.I am glad God Emperor will never be adapted because those retards would NEVER get even 5% of it. Same with Children and i also expect Messiah to be butchered as well looking at how retarded Part 2 ended because SLAY QUEEN YAS SHITAYA had to get mad over how Paul married Irulan which completely cut off the amazing speech of Jessica at the end.>>215018302In books the shield turns on and buys him just enough time to fuck off into a bunker while everyone else in the room dies.
>>215018226yes
>>215018312nom de coom (check for wormsign)
>>215018145That THING in your pic looks like it was created in a Tleilaxu axolotl tank
>>215018313The Baron is right in his face, and everybody else in the room keels over and (presumably) dies immediately. Not to mention they lock the doors and leave them in there for who knows how long.>>215018359Wish they had portrayed it like that in the movie. I honestly don't even understand why the shields were in this adaptation at all, they serve no purpose and act inconsistently if not always contradictory to their definition.You could've just had everybody using knives and not given a reason and nobody would question it. The shields were pointless to adapt the way they did.
How can Paul take on the armies of a MILLION Imperial worlds with only a few thousand Fremen?
>>215018500> I honestly don't even understand why the shields were in this adaptation at all, they serve no purpose and act inconsistently if not always contradictory to their definition.because RED = CONTACT makes for cool visuals
>>215018378They cannot stand the idea of a worm (penis) being near.
>>215017709movie Chani was probably the worst part of the whole thing
>>215018528He has more. Also, House armies are pussies.
>>215018528because of the spice.the feudal sistem of the bene geserit its so backwards that without the spice most of the worlds that dont surrender die out of famine.and the rest get pacified by fremen.
>>215018539Did it really though? They reminded me of the Obi-Wan Kenobi show's lightsabers. Yeah, they're colorful, but something about 'em just looks bombed out and depleted. Same goes for the choreographer, cause damn are all of the fights a clusterfuck. I guess that could be partially due to the editing though.>mfw people praising the nonsensical duel in Part Two between Invincible Space Jesus and FriezaDude literally had a much better duel scene a few years earlier in The King, produced on 1/8th the budget.
>>215018734>Friezakek
>>215018733Spice isn't a food you tard
Why did Paul marry Irulan?
>>215018768I mean that the worlds cant even buy enough food if they dont have spice.
>>215017601>the mahdi is named maud'dib
>>215018779to cuck the emperor
>>215018813That's not even similar>Aragorn, son of Arathorn
>>215018813>>215018859for me, it's Duke Leto's faithful swordmaster Connor Missouri
>>215018873Personally, I gotta go with the old classic; Idaho Potato, who returns as Golem Getyegone to have lots of unprotected sex with Paul's underage sister.
>>215018936Truly one of the greatest works of fiction
>>215019054lol i forgot about this
>>215019054Complete goddamn fan fiction. Sisters were well cast as was Travis Fimmel playing space Ragnar, though.
>>215019054is that amy adams?
>>215019135It may have eaten Amy Adams.
>>215019054this was a good take on the BG,they spend all the season making retarded decisions and wrecking everything that opposes their stupid plans.
>>215017709Yeah I don't understand why movie Chani isn't just as bluepilled as Stilgar. They could've maybe done some foreshadowing with having her say her mom redpilled her on the Bene Gesserit but Villeneuve didn't do that for some reason.
>>215019054>an ancestor to the Harkonnens is writing the worst adaption
>>215019132>Sisters were well castsurprisingly they got good younger and older actresses that resemble. material they had to work with was shit, though. it's what happens when dumb writers attempt to write smart characters.
>she can control the xenomorphs with her voice>How?>she just can, okay?
Denny should've stayed directing modestly-budgeted crime thrillers. He's been off the rails for a decade now with these bloated, Nolan-tier science-fiction.Yes, that includes 2049. That shit was fucking embarrassing and the only good part of it were Goose and Ford taking the piss during press junkets.
>>215019244
>>215019054The problem with this show is that it's inconsequential and there are no stakes because we know nothing happens for 10k years until Paul is born. Like you're really telling me they just let the Corrinos rule for 10,000 years straight? You're telling me the Atreides and Harkonnens le hated each other for 10,000 years? It's just a fucking stagnate setting until Paul is born. The fact that it's a Dune IP is the thing that makes it bad, because the show in itself is entertaining and interesting- the setting is what ruins it. God damn if I got a new Scifi IP with glowniggers and false flags vs reverse false flags like this one I'd be so fucking stoked.
>>215019320>It's just a fucking stagnate setting until Paul is bornAnon, I...
>>215019054I knew it was going to be shit since it's set around the Great Schools of Dune trilogy.
>>215019334It's 10k years of calculated cross-breeding to bring about the Kwisatz Haderach while also forging the most boring history of any dynasty ever where literally nothing ever happens
>>215017849Yep, literal self fulfilling prophecy.
>>215017709yeah she was a fucking mood killer. nothing against the actress but fucking get her off my big screen please, i keep unwittingly watching shit with her in it and i'm sick of her mug despite her solid acting skills
>>215018734https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hj3ShZrSxaoTv series might had shoestrings for budget but goddamn did they tried to do opulence of dune right with what little they had. Hell fucking Lynch version had better aesthethics.
>>215019486I always liked the mini-series because it leaned into theater production at times. That production has certain different quality.
>>215019617Hot sex with Pew, Zendaya and Anya
>>215019524the miniseries are so much better than the movies that its ridiculous
Spoiler:Paul is not the messiah some other dude isDune will become a green wold with water and shit with terraformingDune is destroyed eventuallyThe End.
>>215018302He has the shield on and floats to the ceiling while the gas spreads around the floor.
frank herbert was heavily inspired by the novel I Claudius from which he got the idea of plans within plans. I recommend you read it or watch the bbc series from the 70s.
I question certain decisions about the characterization of Paul>Chani leaving Paul >Feyd doesn't cheat in his duel with Paul What are they getting at?
>>215020159The shield didn't work and everybody in the room died in .5s seconds, then they barred the room for hours while the gas filled the volume of the room.How did this nigga survive?
>>215021575He floated to the ceiling and avoided the worst of it. He's also not a normal man. He barely survives and requires extensive treatment.
>>215021635...Are you saying he's a big guy?
>>215018359>Harkonnens arespace finns, atreides are space greeks and so on
>>21501760180s blue eyes effect looked better
>>215018779>why would the leader of a dominate upcoming house taking over a giant empire want to marry the daughter and heir of the current emperor?!Think about it.>>215019054>>215019132Gotta be better or as good as the KJA prequel books, right? Can't possibly be worse, right?>>215021854The miniseries was the best when it was active but it wasn't consistent.
>>215018145>FremenThe Fremen religion;1. The Islamic-inspired elements are an external "garb"2. The Zen-inspired elements contribute to a philosophy of discipline and survival3. The original Fremen elements, centered on Shai-Hulud and the ecology of Arrakis, form the true core of their belief system4. Their entire lifestyle, habits and culture is utterly anti-islamic despite the external garb and terminology;I. Animism/Polytheism. They worship Shai-Hulud, the sandworm, as a physical god. This is shirk, the gravest sin in Islam, which is associating partners with God.II. The Lisan al-Gaib (Mahdi) is a foreign superbeing prophesied to lead them. Paul Atreides fulfills this as a quasi-divine figure, which elevates a man to the status of God.III. The Water of Life, a powerful psychedelic toxin, is central to their rituals. It is used by Sayyadinas and Reverend Mothers to access ancestral memory, a form of divination forbidden in Islam.IV. While Fremen are described as prostrating themselves, their prayers are not the Islamic Salah. Their rituals are centered on water discipline and the worm.V. Ritual water-extraction from the dead is a fundamental, sacred duty. The body is seen as a communal resource for its water, a practice that would be considered a profound desecration in Islam.VI. The Fremen "Paradise" is ecological transformation: turning Arrakis into a green, watery world. It is a physical, terrestrial goal achieved through human effort, not a divine reward in the afterlife.The Fremen use the linguistic and symbolic vocabulary of Islam (Mahdi, Jihad, Shaitan), but they plug these terms into a completely different theological framework. That framework is:Animistic (worshipping the worm).Gnostic (using psychedelic drugs for hidden knowledge).Eco-centric (focused on terraforming their planet).In essence, the "Islamic" elements are a cultural shell. The core of their faith is not the God of Abraham, but the desert, the spice, and Shai-Hulud.
>>215021854you're mom looked better in the 80s
>>215017601Yes, he goes on still believing that paul will save the Freemen even with every evidence probing the contrary
>>215018145>FremenThey are Zen survivalists with external islamic "garb." They are utterly anti-islamic in all their actions.
>>215019244>magic's workings only matter when it's a female character
>>215022056you can really believe Baby Leed was eating well
>>215022173Spectacular post.>>215022299>They are utterly anti-islamic in all their actions.That is exactly what the post you replied to states, yes.>>215022337Hell yeah she had great bazongas for sure.
>>215022369That actress is amazing in the mini-series
>>215022056>>215022337>Paul's first son is named Leto and dies>names his second son Leto IIseriously, Frank?
>>215018145>Fremena tribe, race and nation of of Stoic the death, space Zen-practicing samurais in space with an external islamic garb so the masses will gulp it down. Frank knew what he was doing.
>>215022454>of of Stoic the death,Stoics to the death
>>215018145>Fremenif Fremen existed they would be the no1 enemy of muslims and muslims would have an anaphylactic shock every-time their very name was mentioned.
>a boomer will look you dead in the eye, and tell you the adaptation with these ornithopters is better
>>215017880what paradise are you talking about, fremen culture eventually disappears, jihad kills billions, paul feels so bad about the whole thing he just bails the fuck out.
>>215022369He used AI for that post dumb dumb.
>>215022519why
may thy dubs chip and shatter
>>215018145>Fremenstrange that muslims did not riot to ban the recent film series, since its utterly blasphemous according to islam.
>>215022541Better? No. Stylized? Yes. Not everything needs to be grounded in reality.
>>215022566It's a respectful allusion to their culture and religion, so it's surprisingly popular in the Muslim world.
>>215022555read >>215022173
>>215018145>why do the desert people have brown skin and swarthy features and are not pale irishmen with bright eyes
>>215022585>respectful allusion to their culture and religionthey do not even know their own religion
>>215022592I don't read AI sloppa.
>>215022399Yeah she was cool.>>215022414They were both Leto II, Paul's father was Leto I Lord of House Atreides.>>215022519Yes that is what that poster says exactly, moron. He specifically says people who equivocate Fremen with Muslims are morons and it's an issue with the shit adaptation of DUNC and brainlet audiences.>>215022552Well it's better than the mass majority of posts posted here, which are usually misconstruing other posts in general.>>215022566Are you fucking stupid?>>215022585You definitely are.
>>215018528he controls spice meaning:a) he controls the addictionb) he controls the guild who controls all satellites and transportation
>>215022621based illiterate anon
>>215022613lol
>>215018779because that sets him up as the rightful successor of the emperor
>>215022585>their culturethe fremen culture is not islamic its formed by their religion which is Zen+animism+polytheism with external islamic elements which are completely superficial.
>>215017709I love Dune but fucking Zendaya is the reason I cannot stand to rewatch it.
>>215022619we have spoken about how much fremen are not muslim in lots of threads you donkey, read the books at least. Its not ai sloppa.
>>215022672Of course it's not explicitly Islamic, it's 10,000 years in the future and only one real religion survived that long (the chosen one). But refresh my memory, it's Zen + what exactly? What was the name of the wanderers that became the Fremen? Zen-something...
>>215022688homosexuality is not welcomed on /tv/
>>215022621>Are you fucking stupid?i know they do not really care about their religion, its just a political and personal-ego tool for them to be excused in order to commit any act.
>watching the second movie
>>215022695I put it in an AI checker and it came up as AI sloppa.In any case, while the Fremen are not literal modern Muslims, Frank Herbert did say Islam influenced his creation of them for the story. It's a weird hill to die on to try and ignore that.
>>215022704>Zen-something..-sunni which is a garb. The sunni do not consider other muslims as muslims, not just shia, if they had small relatively divergent beliefs and practices. This would be considered the most extreme anti-islamic group ever;The Fremen religion is Zen+animism+polytheism with external islamic elements.
>>215017852It's soviet russia all over again.
>>215022770>ignore that.its an external garb, we do not have to repeat that. Its obvious in the books and when comparing it to the actual islamic religion. Frank said and did what he did in order to promote the books.
>>215018302He's got a shield on that slows down the exchange of air. It gave him time to get out of range. Realistically it seems to be some kind of aerosol, not a gas.
>>215022770>AI sloppa.not all structured text are ai written. We do not have to write messily in order to avoid people think an ai wrote it.
>>215022734No, the dumb thing is people ITT calling out a post that says "equivocating Fremen with Muslims is dumb and why the new adaptations are shit" with replies that say shit like "but the Fremen and Muslims aren't the same the Muslims would find it haram!" Yeah no shit, that was what the original post of that particular subtopic had said originally!>>215022770Now it's after-the-fact appeal to authority, way to walk it back retard.
>>215022787>sunniOh yeah, Sunni, aka Muslim. Like the author said.
>>215022770>e Fremen are not literal modern Muslimsthe fact is that they are not muslim at all. Not 0% muslim, they are -100% muslim, the exact opposite. They just have superficial arabic/islamic elements.
>>215022863>>215022885lmao read the books, particularly the appendices where islam is directly referenced. top fucking kek, it's like we have india in here.
>>215022881has your brain stopped functioning? They are anti-islamic utterly. Polytheistic and the rest. In theory, practice and dogma and lifestyle they are not islamic at all. Have you even read the books?
>>215022924you do not have even a single functioning brain cell.
>>215022925>author says they're Islamic>"nuh uh"lol>>215022951I accept your concessionCome back when you've read the books.
>>215022303What are some example of male characters with "magic" who have no plausible explanation of how they have "magic"?
>>215022863>original post of that particular subtopic had said originally!Yes and we agree on that, the replies did not assume the opposite but were just continuing that sub-topic branching out.
>>215022983>>215022951>>215022925>>215022924>>215022885>>215022881>>215022863>>215022787>>215022770
>>215022983you have not read the books and cannot even think. You refuted nothing. You post like a bot.
There is also a religion called "Zensunni Catholicism"It's supposed to be a bunch of religions mixed together. You shouldn't get too stuck on one of the components. There is also the "orange catholic bible" that basically combines all Earth religions.
>>215023025>me on both sides of that image
>>215023041Says the anon who never read the books and posts AI sloppa.>>215023046Yeah, but the weird Indians in the thread seem triggered by anything Islamic in a decidedly Islamic-themed franchise.I don't think they're going to care as much about the reunion of Catholicism with Protestantism.I guess the one good thing about the series is that Hinduism is gone.
>read Dune>get to the appendix>"The so-called Ancient Teachings -- including those preserved by the Zensunni Wanderers from the first, second, and third Islamic movements"i guess the Fremen were a little Islamic
>>215023087Where is islam in their actual religion, beliefs, practices etc? Nowhere. Its all anti-islamic. Its all Zen, animism and Polytheism and utterly anti-Islamic practices. Their "mahdi" is a Space Greek, with the surname Atreides. You are quite the mongrelous retard.its clear you have never read them or will or are able to.
>>215023133islam is an external garb, you have been trolling in all your posts.
>>215023133Shit, you're right.
>>215023133>Where is islam in their actual religion, beliefs, practices etc?>>215023133>>"The so-called Ancient Teachings -- including those preserved by the Zensunni Wanderers from the first, second, and third Islamic movements"read the books lolthey literally tell you
i liked the movies
>It's not real communism
>>215017709She legitimately ruins the film
>>215017836I've felt that way on strong edible highs. You see the artifice behind the production. It's most noticeable in movies made after the late 2000s. Try this again with an atmospheric classic film and it won't be nearly as noticeable.
Can't wait for AI to edit out Zendaya
>>215023265Their beliefs are far removed from anything known as Islam in today's world, hence 'Zensunni' and 'Zenshia' and the 'Orange Catholic Bible' compiled by all the world's religious leaders.
