Blade Runner 2049 wasn't supposed to be a documentary...
>>215053684Why do liberals want this shit instead of tried and trusted fossil fuels? Is it because fossil fuel industries are run by white people?
>>215053723I want this shit but in space being beamed to Earth because its cool, and if the captains of industry have to pay lip service to climatism to get it funded, that's a worthy cause
>>215053723Fucking retard
>>215053863It is like the ps2 game, the bouncer.
>>215053863That’s hard to do, expensive and you will have a patch of sky who won’t be able to use it duo to radiations
Can a chud tell me why Solar is bad so we can get this thread over with
>>215053684Solar Concentrating farms are nothing new you fucking retard.This one probably uses molten salts as the thermal storage medium, coal power station output levels. If the land is cheap and not useful for agriculture etc then it's very effective with the other major consideration being transmission losses.
>>215053684>>215053723Ironically, the one on the bottom (Ivanpah Solar Power Facility) uses an enormous amount of fossil fuel. It requires something like 500 million cubic feet of gas per year, needed to get the plant started in the morning. One of several reasons its being shut down.
>>215055034It's not solar panels but mirrors and liquid salt so it keeps making energy even in the first hours of the night. which makes the silicon lobby really mad because they spent so much convincing everyone that mining and converting all that minerals for a panel with a 5-10 years lifespan; of making energy only a percentage of the day and needing to be babysit regularly so it doesn't get dirty and stops working, before it has to be decommissioned polluting even more, is actually the best option for renewable energy.Same shit with cars.If you changed your car 5 times to get the newer environmentally friendlier model you polluted 5 times as the guy still driving a 1993 ford escort, because making and discarding those cars pollutes more than they will by driving.
>>215053723Because they've bought into the insane meme that human activity is killing the planet and without us the climate would never change despite the fact that Earth's weather is an incredibly volatile system that is affected by dozens of things that are entirely outside of our control and we're just one big volcano eruption or meteorite or polar shift or slight change in solar activity from being nuked back to the ice age.
>>215053723molten salt generators are actually cool and they work unlike solar panels and windmills >>215053684those are in the middle of the desert and no one lives there anyway. it's just a bunch of mirrors pointing at a rock and then the rock gets hot and boils water
>>215053723because energy is a giant industry and the ones pushing renewables are lobbied by green energy just as hard as the ones pushing fossil fuels are lobbied by big oil
>>215055034that particular type of solar is based, it's a bunch of mirrors pointing to a rock which heats the rock up and boils water, it also sets birds on fire
>>215053684Why would people have a problem with solar thermal?I swear to fucking Christ, I wrote about this in my like first year of college in the late aughts.Solar thermal and nuclear fission.Figure it out, get it done, stop fucking around.Germany is embarrassing itself now.
>>215055034We're too far from the sun to properly harness a decent amount of energy from it to power anything more than a phone charger and a tv per home, dyson sphere systems are the only way for solar to be an efficient source of energy and we're like 5,000 years from being able to build such a thing.Pic is not even a solar field but a bunch of mirrors that concentrate heat on a stone to boil water.
>>215053723> Is it because fossil fuel industries are run by white peopleYep, nailed it. That's the reason and nothing else
>>215055283Of course!! White people only innovate in COAL and have had no other ideas!!
>>215053684>you're destroying the hecking desert that has nothing in it except sand and rocks!
>>215053723falseflagging oilkike
>>215055157My nigga dis something taught in high school science. Yes, global warming caused by humans won't annihilate the planet. It will, however, eventually annihilate humans and needlessly damage ecosystems. Both the right and left fall for different variations of the same meme to avoid really dealing with it. The left is suckered into buying into and investing in shit like these solar panels. This "clean energy" meme is that most of these supposed solutions are really crapitalist market gimmicks that put more effort into getting them mentioned in textbooks and scientific journals as "progress", "the next step", or shit like "clean energy of the future". The actual value and selling point of "clean energy" isn't its ability to do shit, it's its ability to seem like it does shit. The right falls for the "overexaggeration" meme where they tend to bring up strawmans like the one you mentioned. Again, the problem isn't annihilating the world, it's sustaining a world where humans can prosper. Ironically, the right won't touch this shit despite supposedly being the "patriotic" / "anti immigrant" circle. China and India, alone account for >80% of total emissions, meaning if the whole entire world went green it wouldn't amount to shit. Literally, we need to genocide indians and invade China. The left is too soft to ever consider this, so instead they'll continue buying into the meme and act like they're doing something. The right is too arrogant to admit that there is a problem and that the policies they continue to keep have repeatedly made the problem worse. So you have this group retardation split into two factions, where one side acts devoted yet is too pussy to spread meaningful change (genociding indians) and the other acts ignorant because they'd rather keep their shitty, cushy ideals than make actual meaningful change (genociding indians).
>>215053863Reminds me of Die Another Day, when they have that solar powered mirror that can provide solar power, but also used as an Ion Cannon.
>>215053684This was in Fallout New Vegas back in 2010
All the lil lizzers and sneks who's habitat was destroyed for these eye sores.
>>215053684wow that ant up on that tower is really smoking
>>215053723It's because everyone saw the quality of China's air during the Beijing olympics and decided they didn't want that anymore
>>215055143You are extremely poor at conveying your ideas in writing. Improve that before having the temerity to inflict your opinions on others.
>>215055696>Literally, we need to genocide indians and invade Chinaand also stop giving aid to africa
Fossil fuel is bad, pollutionElectric is bad, expensive, inefficientNuclear is based, has no negative side effects unless you’re a retard that used dirt cheap materials and poor construction.I’m nuclearfag, I dream of a nuclear utopia.
>still debating fossil vs solar in 2025>not nuclearmaxing
>>215053723t.pls buy my gas Ivan
>>215055260retard
>>215056686
>>215053723>s it because fossil fuel industries are run by white people?lolwut
>>215053863This is pure fantasy. Space is fake and solar power is a meme.
>>215053723Fossil fuels will be entirely depleted before you (child) are dead. If alternatives arent found 90% of the human race is dead. Not that the remaining 10% will remember how to farm or hunt. We're pretty much fucked.
>>215053723How much is Exxon paying you?
>>215053863>hey guys, let’s microwave the earth’s atmosphere that’ll be a good idea right
>>215055696>Literally, we need to genocide indians and invade ChinaKind of a kino setup for WW3 in 50 years or tomorrow or whatever. An actual "great" war for the future of the very planet itself
>>215058096>WW3it'll literally happen just by no longer outsourcing construction/labor to those places.
>>215053863I tried this in Sim City 2000 and it didn’t work out well
>>215055034>Can a chud tell me why Solar is bad so we can get this thread over withSure.They're okay, they're just not "great". They're better than wind, but worse than literally any other renewable energy source such as hydroelectric or geothermal. The main fault with solar and wind is that they have an economy almost like agriculture? You plant your panels in a big field, the sun comes out, the panels collect the energy given by the sun, you store that energy in a battery of some sort, and then people consume the energy in that battery. Solar panels are also typically installed in the middle of fucking nowhere: faraway from both the people consuming the energy and the people who can repair or maintain the panels. This is all annoying because most other sources of energy either: are out of the way but at least produce constant 24/7 energy (like a river) or the battery IS the fuel (like coal or uranium). Solar panels are also a "consumer electronic" and like other electronics; early adopters are FUCKING STUPID. Every year we make better, cheaper, solar panels, so your 10 year old solar farm was not only REALLY EXPENSIVE, but it's probably fucking dogshit. There is a reality where solar doesn't suck ass.Designing, experimenting, and investing money, into the development of solar energy is a good idea. The sun provides tremendous amounts of energy, enough to power literally every plant on the planet, and we would be retarded to not capitalize on at least some of it. The sun also NEVER SETS in space, you can just follow it around all day, so any solar panels we make on Earth will have utility in space. There's also ?no reason to not make a better battery? any developments we make in batteries, or energy storage, have inherently useful applications in electronics and computers (EV car batteries are actually just big laptop batteries for example).
>>215055034>>215058467With all that in mind my personal opinion:I think the government is being a huge faggot trying to "save/make money" by privatizing the development of these new experimental technologies through guilt tripping the public, and/or bribing companies, to build these fucking things for them. The government didn't ask for the publics permission, or beg them for money on public television, when they installed utility poles, built the suez canal, whenever they invade some 3rd world country for some inexplicably economic purpose, or invented and used nuclear bombs. This wouldn't even be the first, or second, massive energy/grid change: people used to do everything with coal and firewood, then they switch to whale oil, and finally to fossil fuels. They never stopped and asked what the public wanted.
>>215053684You vill eat ze bugz.
>>215055007And the burning ants effect on earth's crust and atmosphere
>>215053684It wont exist in 2029 because they just cancelled the project after it was a failuredemocrats couldn't make solar in the fucking desert work lol
>>215056516Bad day, faggot?
>>215058467When I saw that you didn't mention nuclear I knew you were retarded
>>215053684>bottom picIsn't that solar plant being shut down?
>>215053723Saudi Arabia is running out of oil bro
>>215059378That's... just not true at all.
>>215055122Its cause they didn't actually use molten salt which is like half the reason to use Solar thermal. They just directly boiled water which doesnt work because water cools too quickly which is why they needed to use natural gas to warm it up
>>215053723Liberals are fucking stupid.They think the steam that comes off nuclear cooling towers is radioactive smog.
>leftoids love science >but we can't have nuclear power because it's racistismist and facistisms >instead we have to have shitty solar and wind that can't meet current let alone future demand thank you science The only silver lining is that little black kids die mining all the material for the liberal fantasy
>>215059475Dude...you really want shanequa and tiquando fucking staffing the nuclear plant?Don't be retarded. We've lost the ability to maintain complex systems. If your fine with it let's build the fucking plant in your backyard.
>>215058619because governments are gangs
>>215053684https://x.com/nypost/status/1970592663914115403>oh n-
>>215060003Getting rid of these things is not an option to you?
>>215053863I'll jump in the beam like Master Chief
>>215059427Why the fuck would they do that? How the hell did everyone get so incompetent?
>>215059060Nuclear is retardedly expensiveYou can build a dozen huge coal plants and scrub the hell out of the emissions with the latest tech for what one new NPP costs. The fuel is cheap too
>>215061184the facility was built in 2010 and is quite large and sophisticated. At the time of it's design and construction, water was the feasible way to do it. It'd take entirely different engineering methods to use molten salt. Breakthrus in molten salt came during the construction. You can't just change from water to molten salt. Understanding efficiency at this scale is also nearly entirely impossible till there are practical tests. We now know that this system of power is not really worth it. The gas used would be better spent on wind energy which is shown be much better than concentrated solar thermal.
>>215053684Mirror power bad...it just is OKkys retard
>>215058096Invading a country because they keep polluting the world.....mmh, wonder if it has been filmed before.>>215055696I would assume that if we find a really efficient green way to produce electricity we could sway China and India into adapting it, hoping Fusion works well.
>>215061845India yes, China no. China just doesn't listen to anyone, they do whatever they want. The people of china do not give a shit about changing things. They are incredibly slow to adapt to new ideas, it takes literal generations to do so.
>>215053723They already invented water powered cars and free energy from empty space. The problem is the inventors keep getting killed by the oil companies. There's too much money to be made from keeping people dependant.
>>215053723The smoke.
>>215055143>as the guy still driving a 1993 ford escortNow you know why they had to destroy all of those old efficient easily fixed cars with Cash For Clunkers. All so rich fags could get another disposable car that'll last at best 10 years.I remember how happy a family member was to get all those "gas guzzlers smoke spewers off HIS road". He destroyed a nice car to get a VW diesel only for Obama to tell him that new car was bad as well so he obediently traded it in like The Best Goy.
>>215053684Obama really spent trillion of your taxes on this and fake bullet trains that had to be shut down in a few years.
>>215059378That's why we are invading Venezuela.
>>215053684LITERALLY just use nuclear.
>>215053684cant wait to salvage these for the Boomers after the nukes fall
>>215053723everything is a game to see how much shit they can make you eatthey already have all the answers, and the one's they don't have they aren't even chasing they won, and everything is an inside joke on us
>>215061943Nah changs is actually trying to go green hard because of a few reasons >competing with the west to appear as ‘civilized and developed’>reduce importing of critical resource like oil>creating a need for domestic green industry —>more jobs, better numbers for GDP
>>215056837They said this exact same shit in the 1970s.
>>215053684Perhaps some were inspired by the scene and added to the number of people pushing for it IRL and accelerating things.
>>215053723>the OPEC is white nowffs brainlet chuddie
>>215053863This is going to be the excuse used for building giant satellite laser cannons
this is obsolete technology outpaced by development in solar panels
>>215062429but they are still going forward with those Carbon power plants.
>>215053723>Is it because fossil fuel industries are run by white people?Russians aren't white. Neither are arabs.
>>215055143>if I lie, my argument will be more powerfulModern solar panels last between 30-50 years you fucking retard. Even the older model lasted for a minimum of 10 years and then they still worked, but at a diminished capacity. Realistically you could have used them for 20 years before changing them. A solar panel lasting 50 years vs 5-10 years as claimed by your lie, makes an a huge difference in your shit argument. An order of a magnitude worth of difference. Eat shit.
>>215063613define "last." linear degradation of energy produced until they stop working at all or...
>>215053723denounce the talmud
>>215063723"last" as in, they produce so little energy that I might as well replace them with cheaper, modern panels. The older polycrystaline models used to drop to 80% capacity after 10 years and around 50% after 20 years. The newer ones, the monocrystaline ones, drop to 80% after 30 years and 50% after 50 years. Modern solar panels will literally last for the entire duration of your life assuming your are installing them when buying your first house in the late 20s or early 30s.
>>215063989I'll stick with big generating plants
>>215058026Plenty of wavelength in the non absorbing range. I built something like that in KSP once. Took a while but starting rockets with beamed power and pure air is great.
>>215053684>is...is that a solar farm? CHEAP ENERGY?!CHEAP ENTERTAINMENT??? CHEAP CALORIES?!?!!?!?!>AHHHH IM GOING INSANE! HELP ME /POL/ROT NIGGER BROS!! THE WEST HAS FALLEN!!!
>>215056837Misinformation
>>215064269i was going to ask about hail but i guess i dont need to
>>215053684I don't want to live in a dystopia where even Ryan Goose can't get a real girlfriend
>>215053723You fossil niggers are even worseYou rejected nuclear because of your Israeli overlords. We should have essentially limitless clean fusion energy by now
>>215064614Solar farms like that need massive amounts of energy to start up every day, which has to come from fossil fuels because lmao
>>215065048>We should have essentially limitless clean fusion energy by nowHi Bob
>>215055194>it also sets birds on fireOkay now I’m on board.
>>215055251china is tearing theirs down because they need to use like coal or gas to heat it in the morning and lefties hate it because it doesn't involve sending a ton of money to china or rare earths and it actually generates power
>>215055283>>215053723>>215053869>>215055322the white people seethe is a big thing. I read a paper that was seething about the plan to build solar farms in north africa, crack the water in the sea for hydrogen then pump the hydrogen to yurop to burn and one of the primary complaints was that the hydrogen would be burned in the existing gas powerplants and white people own those plants
>>215053684>Solar farms>Constant foglol, go nuclear, fuckin retards
>>215055696human made climate change isn't real and even if it was leftists aren't trying to reduce CO2 emissions. they are just trying to grift for money, to send more money to china, to send more money to minorities for gibs and to reduce living status for white people while they continue to use private jets.that's why they are all anti nuclear and they close down nuclear plants and replace them with coal and gas plants
>>215056686please.. PLEASE!
>>215058467the thing in op's pic aren't solar panels. they are a bunch of mirrors on machines that can pivot that redirect sunlight at a big rock that then heats up and boils water
>>215065518>and they close down nuclear plants and replace them with coal and gas plantsI wish, then the price of electricity would plateau or even go down slightly
>>215053723>nooo, how could you ruin that barren desert>we have to poison the air instead
>>215065518everything you just said was wrong
>>215059427why are they that retarded?>>215061184californiademocrats
>>215061279nuclear is mostly expensive due to regulations
>>215061746windmills suck
>>215062069top fucking kek, apparently the land rovers took like 9 mins to die or something crazy it's also because they wanted to install gay computer shit in everyone's cars so they could geofence, turn them off and track them
>>215065794>>215065877they literally did that in ny. They closed down the indian point power plant and replaced it with gas plants. most of the leftists were seething over ithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC7YD98HixMand go look up what happens after every climate conference, all the rich fly off in their private jets
>>215053723brainwashed dipshit
>>215066078>spends more energy manufacturing and shipping the solar panels than they ever bring in during their useful product lifego back faggot
>>215065916And what are those regulations for
>>215066017That story is a disagreement between leftists.Some leftists wanted to keep the plant.Some wanted to replace it with renewables.Nobody wanted to replace it with fossil fuels. That's just how it shakes out when you focus on shutting down the nuclear plant without a plan to add a replacement.
>>215053723>the sun is liberal nowWhat level of brainrot causes this?
i mean, it makes sense that easily accessible fossil fuels will eventually run out. especially considering how our consumption of it is constantly increasing.the problem seems to be that unserious and very socially leftist individuals somehow became the primary advocates of alternative energy sources, which has tainted the industry and the debate surrounding out.in any case, shouldn't nuclear power plants replace fossil fuels or something like that?
>>215066215so you are saying lefties are retards?>>215066198I don't know, and I'm sure you don't know, how many of those regs are needed vs how many are in place specifically to make it too expensive to push nuclear. the US navy has never had a fatal nuclear incident and they operate a bunch of power plants
>>215066118That's a lie spread by fossil fuel companies and believed by dipshits who will believe anything that lets them feel smarter than leftists. Solar produces way more energy in its lifespan than it takes to manufacture.
>>215066289lowkey I'm too handsome to care you noodle armed queerhave fun talking like a total mealy mouthed faggot though ha
>>215053723too much co2 in the atmosphere means I CANT BREATH
>>215053723repent
>>215066280>I don't knowI agree; didn't read any further
>>215067359you don't know, tranny
>>215053684>Blade Runner 2049great movie desu
The current runaway climate change is because of fossil fuel extraction but it's more that we're sucking out and setting fire to all of the planet's coolant so instead of retaining that heat deep underground it all radiates to the surfaceit's OVER
>>215053684all this endless fields is barely comparable to one nuclear powerplant
>>215067545Yeah the key is to replace what you take out with something else. That’s why I bury all of my dead batteries and dump my used motor oil in a hole in my backyard.
>>215068108Why nuclear? Why not coal?
