>Betrayed and murdered by his most loyal servant>Exiled from his homeland in Valinor. The wind will push him back to the Middle-Earth anytime he attempts to go back home.>Denied reincarnation>Devoid of power or a physical body, Saruman's punishment is to eternally wander the Middle-Earth as a spirit unable to affect the living world in any way.He didn't deserve all of this
Is it just canon that Saruman is a moron loser, and he only seems cool and sinister in the movie because all we see of him is the forward-facing persona he curates?
Pretty sure the punishment only lasts as long as he refuses to atone for his crimes, or sins, if you prefer. Tolkien was a big ol' softy.
>>215060720Yes, Saruman is a phony. He is basically Grima Wormtongue with a higher power level.
>>215059798Sounds like he got exactly what he deserved
>>215059798>>215060720>>215060943Sauronman basically just thought the war couldn't be won and joined Sauron by necessity.He wasn't exactly wrong. It took a series of miracles to win, and even Gandalf admitted their gambit was "a fool's hope".He also didn't really know about hobbit resistance to the ring, which was the foundation of their plan. Nobody else could have carried the damn thing.
>>215061521hobbit arent resistant to the ring, just look at gollum. the point if that both frodo and bilbo wanted to not be seen, they didnt want it to rule, thats why it didnt have the same influence, they didnt want the ring.
