Did he do anything wrong?
>>215079150No
>>215079464He did manage to build a successful chain.
>>215079587He was a visionary and hard worker
>>215079150made people fat
>>215079150Bloated menu that is no longer fast food.
>>215079150The whole movie was an allegory for pilgrim/native american relations from start to finish. You can argue he was unkind/unethical and generally a rude dude, but he brought the franchise to its maximum potential. For all time McDonalds will be known throughout the world and it's thanks to him. Period. Take it for what you will but the brothers (native americans) simply weren't capable or interested in the possibility so tough shit. Without Ray's influence, we all would have lost something.
Fucked over the McDonalds brothers hard in the end.
>>215079628Yes, I do not think we can take that away from him.
>>215079150No, but now the burgers are too expensive and tiny
>>215079150In the context of the movie not really, he was slimy but obviously so and the brothers are complete retards for falling for the handshake deal
>>215079689>we all would have lost somethingOh no, can you imagine how awful our lives would be without the disgusting artery clogging shit they serve there?
the cunting cocksucker discontinued my beloved 1955 classic
>>215079689Expensive estrogen burgers that is.
>>215079854>inch thick tomatoesfuck that shit, how about you give me something that isn't just room temperature ice
>>215079763You’re so poor you think 9 dollars is expensive
>>215079910theres no onions, just the bun i guess has em
>>215079150I remember when McD first came to my town in the 90s, you would always get your food immediately. Now I rarely go there anymore, but the last time I did, it took me ten minutes to get my rather simple order of a couple of large fries and a coke. Meanwhile, it takes the same amount of time to get a pizza from an actual restaurant nearby. What went wrong?
The Founder was based off of Kroc's autobiography, and a large portion of McDonald's history was as well since he was a very private man.He did reneg on the McDonald Brothers by promising them a handshake deal on royalties (worth billions) that Kroc never offered.Kroc also donated a large amount to Nixon to try to veto one of the first minimum wage bills
>>215079722They signed the contract. Not his fault
>>215080286>t.
>>215080286It represents two different stages of America in terms of how legality and litigiousness were approached.
It is crazy to think how successful MCDs is.
Was the milkshake brilliant?
>>215079150No and if you think he did there is a high likelihood you are trans
>>215081961What about the lying and the cheating?
>>215081986He was dishonest in his business dealings.
Should he have given the brothers a better deal?
>>215079150Ray Kroc was a bohemian grover, he probably fucked kids and did all that adrenochrome eyes wide shut shit.
>>215079722They made millions of dollars in 70s money. They didn't get fucked that badly.
>>215080235Well one overlooked thing is: in the 90s they still were using heat lamps to warm premade shit instead of making it to order like they do now that's part of why it was faster.
The brothers had the Concept of the restaurant. Kroc had the Concept of winning. It is a tough issue.
...Is this the thread?
>>215083121They made 1 million dollars each after taxes in 1961. A pittance compared to what McD's would go on to be valued.
>>215083612Would it be fair to say that Kroc was the real Hamburglar?
>>215083181And it was perfectly fine.We picked our pickles out ourselves and it wasn't a big deal. Only assholes need to customize a fucking mcdonalds burger.
>>215079150he cheated on his wife. That's pretty bad.
>>215083612Let me put it in perspective for you:>Marilyn Monroe's Brentwood home was the only property she ever owned. She first purchased the 23,200-square-foot property for $75,000 back in 1962.They were paid the cost of 13 Beverly Hills mansions. It's easy to say they should have held out for more with the benefit of decades of hindsight but they were still paid a shitload of cash for their time.
>>215079150No, he established the idea of a McDonald’s(and any major fast food chain) being the same everywhere you go. Even now in some businesses franchisees get a lot of leeway to run it how they like.
>>215079689He made up demand for a supply he also basically made up and WE’RE SUPPOSED TO CONGRATULATE HIM? WHAT A SICK JOKE! HE DEFECATED IN AN EMPTY MCDONALDS BAG. AND I DEFENDED HIM AND I SHOULDNT HAVE. And you… you
Who would you give credit for the Concept at the end of the day?
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>>215083843Well think it's also that they save money not having to make/throw out old shit.
>>215079150I heard the film villainized him in a very dishonest way
>>215084129I am not crazy! I know he swapped that hamburger order! I knew it was someone else's order. Less than 30 seconds. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just - I just couldn't prove it. He - he covered his tracks, he got those idiots Dick and Mac McDonald to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He's done worse. Those overly polite responses to my retarded questions! Are you telling me that a minimum wage cashier just happens to be that patient and nice? No! He orchestrated it! The McDonald's employee! He withheld the silverware and plates! And I paid him! And I shouldn't have. I gave him thirty-five cents! What was I thinking? He'll never change. He'll never change! Ever since he was 9, always the same! Couldn't keep tables and chairs available to dine at! But not our Speedee boy! Couldn't be our precious Speedee boy! Putting straws in customer's soft drinks! And he gets to be a cashier!? What a sick joke! I should've stopped him when I had the chance! And you - you have to stop him! You-
>>215079150No, he had the vision the brother lacked, and the will to execute, that's a very rare combination of things.
>I ate the burger.
>>215085339Absolutely AI flagged. Keep it up.
>>215079150He held up the queue by asking retarded questions
>>215079150He never sold chili. Wendy’s kicked their ass.
Stop, my Speedee son.
>>215085380>>215083440This is the most unfunny forced meme I've ever seen on this board and that's saying a lot when something like buck breaking exists.
>>215085335it doesHe tells the McDonals brothers on the phone that he is doing whatever he wants with the franchise.It causes Ron Swanson to have a heart attack.He then visits the brothers in the hospital while sinister music plays and tells them to give him everything, a few million, or he will sue them for everything they have.The brothers then look at each other while sad music plays:Cut to them signing away everything.
>>215079150he ruined mcdonalds.
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>>215079150He's not even Irish.
Both Roy and the McDonalds brothers had their reasons and faults. There's no true heroes and villains only shades of grey. Roy was facing foreclosure and bankruptacy because the 2% of revenues he was getting working his ass off franchising wasn't paying his bills. Asking for a bigger cut was denied so he had to be creative with the real estate part of Mcdonalds. McDonalds didn't like any of Roy cheap corner cutting cost reduction ideas like that fake milkshake scene. Brothers didn't want to expand as quickly because they afraid it'll reduce quality despite competitors copying their fast food idea and entering the market. If there is a moral to the story here is always negotiate and be reasonable with your business partners. And never take anything on handshake deal, everything must be in contract writing.
>>215083612Would McDonalds be valued as much if it was never taken over?
>>215079150He was a white male that made lots of money and he gave none of it to Israel
>>215087119>2% of revenues he was getting working his ass off franchising wasn't paying his bills2% of McDonald's revenue sounds like a lot still
>>215079722>trusting a handshake deal from a relentless spiritual jew like ray kroc who had already lied to you
Yeah he stole honest white men's work.
Kroc did the wrong things for the right reasons. He knew that Middle Americans NEEDED their slop FAST. The Speedee system was the most efficient way to get food out to the masses and Kroc essentially proved that by being a machievalian personality when the McDonald bros were just good natured hicks.Kroc took majority stake in 1961, McDonald's was already a name by then. The Brothers knew what the deal was and were getting old and in poor health, but Kroc still fucked them over just because he could, and having them around looking fat or asking questions could prove disastrous for the brand. The shittiest thing that Kroc did, and is a very BRILLIANT move honestly, is that after he fucked the brothers over, he wrote a book claiming that both of them were notoriously difficult to deal and that they were assholes. He also claimed himself to be the founder of McDonalds and people believed it until the internet came to be and people did independent research. McDonalds corporate would never acknowledge the McDonald brothers until Kroc died in 84.The only reason why McD's is a success today is because Kroc's business plan forces franchisees to rent the property the building stands on and pay property fees along with franchise fees. They still do everything Kroc did, including fighting minimum wage bills in Congress by donating to conservatives. The one time that they deviated from something Kroc did was in the late 90s when they started making actually FRESH food and their profits plummeted because the food took way too long to prepare and the lines were long.That's why the "i'm lovin it" campaign was created, to save face. McDonald's history is so kino but no one really cares and the company pays a lot to cover stuff up
>>215085474nah, I just swapped out some words from the copypasta
>>215080235They diversified the menu and the staff. The movie makes a big deal about how they emphasized a limited menu to maximize speed
>>215083440the Founding father of Lazy Town
>>215088655Crazy.
Getting rid of the beef tallow in the fryers was the single worst move they ever made.Beef-fried french fries were just sinfully good.
>>215080013Or I can take my happy ass to Whataburger and get a sandwhich that'll last more than four bites
No. The McDonald's brothers were retards.
>>215089640Did they?The only oddball item I can think of is the Daily DoubleGood ass burger, by the way
My question is this. After Ray Kroc left as CEO, The next one came in and just said we aren't in the burger business but the real estate business. So McDs is just a REIT that happens to sell burgers. It kind of retarded.
>>215091385That wasn't after kroc left. His accountant suggested that while he was still ceo and Ray implemented the plan as ceo.
>>215079722>>215079776>>215080286>>215082623>>215082967>>215087736IRL the McDonald brothers got a tidy sum from the corporation. Although they never disclosed how much it was they said they were happy with it.>>215079783Artery clogging food existed before McDonalds and it will exist after it, too>>215083181>heat lampsI liked the little burger slide they had behind the front counter that had a chute for each type of sandwich. The cooks would wrap them up and drop them down the corresponding chute where they'd form stacks at the bottom. It wasn't a big deal vs made to order because they never made way more than they needed, no sandwich ended up sitting there long.
>>215091423Was it? Idk it kind of retarded. I don't eat there anymore food is shit, I don't anything anywhere since it just sysco slop.
>>215091447>Was it? That part is in the movie>since it just sysco slopIt's not Syscoslop. McDonald's is big enough to command what they want from suppliers. Their products are produced by many different contractors to McDonald's own standards. I don't even think they do business with Sysco.
>>215091525McDonald's food tastes like shit. However. The extent of how bad it actually is for you is pretty played up. Most of the unhealthiness just comes from salt. They're vertically integrated so desu you're probably getting better quality food than the food trucks and bodegas and shit that people eat at without a second thought. Every once in a while I find a location that makes the double cheez really well.
>>215079150who
founderposting cracks me up, couldn't tell you why
>>215079150Aeroflot Flight 593
keaton had a great career. if you're talking about mcdonalds i dont fucking know. what a goyshit movie
The McDonalds Corporation is the greatest American company to ever exist next to the Coca-Cola company and Apple.
for me its big mac, or as the french say, le big mac.
