>Fight in space where you can move in infinite directions>Instead line up in close formation and take turns firing volleys at what's in front of you like napoleonic infantry columnswhat retard wrote this.
>missile circus everywhere for no discernible reasonMACROSS CHADS KEEP WINNING
>>215081812is this kpop demon hunters?
>>215081764Nearly total distruption of radar and coms and absolute insane hit range/aim of many millions of miles/km.
becuase to write something like that accurately you would have to become an expert in something that does not exist
>>215081764Love LOGH>>215081812Love MacrossSimple as
>>215081764Whole show is retarded slop, it's literally The Shawshank Redemption of anime and that's the only reason anyone has ever recommended this piece of shit.
>>215081764Both sides wanted to end the conflict in decisive battles since its been going on for centuries. /thread
>>215082044I see more pedoshit here than /a/
>>215082102based enjoyer
>>215081764LOGH was fun but yeah the space fights are pretty hard to understand, I hate to say it but you should just turn your brain off for them.
>>215082031They have scientific experts on this and even shit like Gundam. For whatever they did there might have been stylization, but there was some reasoning behind the final decisions. For example, a 360 assault leads to a complete lack of being able to safely discern between friendlies and enemies and leads to total mayhem and killing your own allies.
>>215082102Kabuki Warriors
>>215081812Do You Remember Love and Macross Plus are probably the coolest things I've ever seen. Peak ultra kino that should go down as legitimately one of top 10 greatest films of all time. Moreso Macross Plus but DYRL ain't far behind
>>215081812Where do I start with Macross?
>>215082328not every movie has to employ experts in the same way, gundam in its purest form is about space fights (even if mixed in there are other themes), Galactic Heroes aims at something different, also wasnt it a novel first and foremest? It was probably never intended to have realistic space fights
>>215082484Just watch the original, Super Dimension Fortress Macross, and the finale movie, Do You Remember Love. You can skip all the later ones since they're not as good.
>>215081764Go back to /a/
>>215081764>>Fight in space where you can move in infinite directionsthis has been debunked, unless your ship is literally a Borg cube, you can't do it
>>215081764The battle details are the weakest part of the show anyway.>bro Reinhard just used a circle formation so we got to counter with a triangle>ah but he remade the circle into an octahedron, heh fucking scrub turn into a dragon dildo formation!>lol we won outnumbered 30000000 to 1 with inferior tech against these so called "elite" imperial commanders, repeat all show long
>>215081764They don't explain all the "rules" at once but sprinkle explanations throughout the series. By the end the way they do battle makes sense in the framework. For example, jamming technology is so strong you basically have to look out your window to see the enemy
>>215083699Brainlet take, post an actual example that confused you and I will explain it
>>215082484Just start with Battletech and pretend Macross never existed
>>215081764>Fight in space where you can move in infinite directionsCommunication is a major issue in space, so you need to stay close in order to broadcast orders to your fleet. >Have your ships aligned in vertically in an Y axis; like a wallIts a risky tactic since you have every ship exposed to enemy fire
>>215081764You would probably use a heading which uses the least amount of delta v so probably the ships would line up if they started from the same place. You also cannot hide in space so it doesn't matter which direction you come from.
How come in any space show the ships always exit warp oriented on the same plane of up-and-down, when that would be totally random depending on where they're coming from?
>>215081764I know it probably went over your head, mate, but the point of the show wasn't the space battles.
My favorite sci-fi anime sucks.
>>215082443Cowboy bebop, the movie, has a great dogfight with the swordfish.
>>215084894
>>215082484Just watch the movies. You don't need to know shit. It's not about aliens really just their tech and what humans do with it (wage war on each other)Start with Macross Plus, it requires no knowledge, everything is explained well enough in the story and it's literally one of the most amazing games of all time
>>215081764You're watching for the politics not the space battles zoomie, the battles are meant to facilitate why the politics is even relevant in the first place
>>215082484just watch kpop demon hunters
The problem is that Yang is a Mary Sue in battle and all his opponents turn retarded when facing him. It removed all the tension from the battle scenes at least he got what he deserved
>>215081764>main character is a genius because all his enemies are braindead retardsBravo japan.
so are the old yellow subtitles the best?
>>215081764They thought space ships can only move like boats on water.It's hysterical.Idiots think this cartoon has deep intelligent things to say about politics when the writers didn't even realise space is 3-dimensional.
>>215082031>you have to be an impossible genius to understand that space ships aren't boats floating on waterThe mental capacity of the anime watcher, ladies and gentleman.
>>215082484Just watch macross plus.The og isn't worth watching - it's not scifi, it's a teen romance idol show.
>>215084155>Communication is a major issue in spaceSo why can't their space ships move in all directions? That doesn't explain anything.
>>215085483>just ignore 50% of the entire show broIdiotic.
>>215088322yep. and ideally bitmap fonts on DVDs. you're watching pixels, after all.
>>215081764Because the battles usually just show a big picture view of what is going on and not the ship to ship small scale combat. 3D movement on a micro level doesn't ultimately change the big tactics involved.
>>215081764the battles are meant to evoke the epic 18th/19th century european line warfare to match the pseudo-germanic culture of the galactic empire and the free planets alliance. fitting considering reinhard is a napoleon/gustavus adophus stand-in. but alas your not white so you wouldn't get it.
>>215088322Yes
>>215081764It's done like that for dramatic effect in real life a space battle would be 100% one-sided depending on who had the most advanced long range sensors they would just fire enough missiles at you at one time to destroy your entire fleet before you were even picked up on radar
>>215088787what are the modern subtitles?
>>215082484MAH-COO-ROSSMAH-COO-ROSShttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4aQQBLokNo
>tranimeGrow up.
>>215081764It's an aesthetic abstraction. All zoomers should be butchered and beheaded.
>>215084822This. Although Astarte makes sense, and given the West's recent blunders in Afghanistan etc, the opposing admirals' stubborn retardedness is somewhat believable. And it's possible to go too far the other way, where you end up with millions of drones firing at each other millions of miles apart. Trying to find a happy medium in something I'm writing atm.
>>215081764>Space opera with gigantic space fleets>A guy with an axe stops a galactic armadaWhy are japs like this?
The crazy thing about LOGH is how every battle has a death toll in the millions, like so many people are cramped in those ships and most of them don't even do anything.
>>215081764And milleniboomers consider this to be the absolute best anime in existence that made them realize authoritarianism is epic
>>215081812>spheres>linesanime's beam/explosion aesthetic will never age to this soul
>>215082044>newfags not knowing what old /tv/ used to be like
>>215082259you have to do that for the ground melee battles too (minovsky or seffle particles or some other excuse).great fights though
>>215086801For me his apparent invincibility is tolerable because of his personality - and because I've known one or two people who were unbeatable in one way or another (and there was a brief period when I was that way too). But it's a fair criticism, unlike many levelled at LOGH.
>ships grow arms >start wrestling
>>215083755They signal each other with flashes of light. Apparently technically was so advanced that any type of networked computer system would be immediately compromised as encryption was no longer possible. So many things have to be done manually.
>>215082044Here?>>>150538818
Name a single piece of media that portrays space battles sensibly.
>>215081812Robotech
>>215089498>They signal each other with flashes of lightSo, kind of like literally all telecommunications?
>>215082484>Where do I start with Macross?Watch Robotech instead.
>>215089498>They signal each other with flashes of light.do ya.. KNOW what radio signals are?> Apparently technically was so advanced that any type of networked computer system would be immediately compromised as encryption was no longer possible.giga facepalm
>>215088854
>>215082484just watch interstella 5555 instead
>>215089704Based, queuing this up after Saber Rider and the Star Sheriffs
>>215086801>The problem is that Yang is a Mary SueThis or the Earth Church are the show's biggest flaw.
>>215081764Scattering across the void and not fighting in large formations means you've just surrendered your base of operations to the enemy. Spaceships can't magically conjure up food and fuel and ammunition, it all needs to be supplied, and those supplies will have to come from developed planets. While you decentralized your forces to go harass the enemy's flanks and rear they just moved unopposed against your planets, which are irreplaceable and essential, and because your planet based forces don't have a fleet to oppose them they can effortlessly siege the planet and take it, or if they feel they couldn't hold it, they can used their combined power to decimate it and make it unusable for years if not forever. They can do this virtually unopposed, because you aren't concentrating your forces to stop them, and soon all your planets will be conquered or ruined and your fleet will wither away and die in the void because it can no longer be repaired, resupplied, or reinforced. And if you retroactively decide to try and concentrate against their planets, they simply need to turn around and suddenly you're trapped between fortified worlds and their focused fleet, while you're cut off and your planets are burning.The only objective that would matter in a space war is planets, and the only way to defend those planets is gathering a fleet large enough to oppose the enemy fleet moving towards it, and if you try some fancy schmancy 4d chess tactics you're just opening up your fleet to getting smashed piece meal. The only strategy with a chance of victory would be massed lines.
>>215082044LOGH is television and cinema.
>>215081764This show isn't strictly science fiction.It's a space opera take on political spectacles like the Roman Empire and the Romance of the Three Kingdoms, and heroes like Napoleon, Alexander, and Caesar..
You sound like one of those retards who likes the demakes
>>215081764There are multiple reasons why they don't do it like that, which is a bit of a cop-out for why they go back to napoleonic infantry columns, but at least there are reasons>For one, it's very difficult to coordinate in real time, you need competent and experienced people at a lot of levels to pull it off right>The way space travel works is that ships can only travel through these "Corridors" that actually do have limited space to travel with, if they go out these corridors navigation goes out of whack and run risk of getting lost or crashing into each other, so surrounding enemies in all directions isn't even possible sometimes>Navigation is a bitch in general>If two blobs of ships just start shooting and charging willy-nilly they can easily cross eachother's line of fire without intending to, so it's even more difficult to coordinate>Not every ship is a bunch of guns strapped to an engine, a lot of them are logistics ships, cargo ships, mobile repair docks and fighter carriers, they're not meant to "Charge" enemy, they're not meant to be close to the front-lines at all, but you can't have them too far away where they can't provide assistance, so what else do you do with them? You have your guns ships close in front of them to "Tank" the shots, they go back if they can for repairs and resupply and the non-combat ships are kept safe>Jamming technology is so good that ships have to rely on "line of sight" to fight, even radioing eachother is hard when the battle starts>The technology and economic gap between the two sides is apparent, but for the most part the ships have roughly the same range,speed and sensors, if a chunk of their fleet separate to attack from the side... they're just going to see it and react, or worse, now that you have less numbers, they might consider charging and passing through your center and destroying your logistics/command center
it's time to admit that the FPA had the better uniforms
>>215090916>better uniforms>generic coats and berets
>>215091081Imperials wear pajamas.
what's the best version of this show? the laserdisc rips?
>>215091898The BluRay rips. There's technically better artwork in the LaserDisc rips but all the other tradeoffs aren't worth it. Watch BR on your first viewing and LD if you decide you want to see it again.
>>215081764I've seen some clips of this slop and it looked more like a slideshow than an animated show.
>>215081764>>215081812Code Geass is better.ALL HAIL EMPRESS NUNNALLY
>>215092211>Code Geass is better.No.
>>215082443macross plus had great presentation but i thought the plot was retarded
>>215092161The animation can be pretty janky, but that quickly ceases to matter. It's unironically one of the most realistic shows ever made, in its depictions of how people actually behave, individually and at a societal level. For instance, it shows elected politicians using war for personal gain, the negative effects of mass immigration, and how a dictatorship can be good, in the short term at least. It even features a faction of scheming (((merchants))) playing their rivals against each other (and funding propaganda). And It's worth seeing for the music alone.
>the same people that watch and praise this have an autistic meltdown over the frame rate of kpop demon hunters
>>215092580>It's unironically one of the most realistic shows ever made, in its depictions of how people actually behave, individually and at a societal level. For instance, it shows elected politicians using war for personal gain, the negative effects of mass immigration, and how a dictatorship can be good, in the short term at least. It even features a faction of scheming (((merchants))) playing their rivals against each other (and funding propaganda). And It's worth seeing for the music alone.
>>215092211Code Geass was fun.
>>215084822Why does it spend so much time on them, including hours upon hours of strategy and planning meetings about the battles beforehand, and then excruciatingly detailed battle sequences then?
It's been 6 years since I watched this. Worth a rewatch?
>>215092161The budget was incredibly small.
>>215091266space welsh
>>215093284that's Aztec.
I know its not cool to say but the original gundam is still the best sci fi anime.
>>215093301then who's this guy
I just spread a cloud of minovsky particles in my apartment, if you get my drift
>>215082259>>215081764The rationale was thatA. space ships are slow; supply lines are fragile when you can only go so far between planetsB. the local space neighborhood they're fighting over just so happens to be shaped like an hourglass, which creates a natural choke pointStill, you think there'd be some kind of plot point re: crazy new ship technology, blockade runners, etc. (if there are let me know, I'm only part way through season 1) tl;dr they did it on purpose because they're trying to do dumb slow 19th century battle lines in space
>>215081764I thought the gay jokes were exaggerated, but good god the empire is zesty as hellStill prime kino though
incredibly kino show that pulled me in right off the bat. I don't know how I'll ever manage to rewatch it now, the first time I used one of my summers off from college to binge the majority of it.
>>215081764they actually do a pretty decent job of representing 3d space though (at least when given the freedom to do so, ie. the narrative doesn't get in the way)like the battle of marr-adetta ends very clearly with the bewcock surrounded on all sides
>>215093486exactly. 3D space gets representation in local battle tactics, even if they come up with excuses to fudge it in wider strategy >>215093357
>>215081764Blind adherence to warfare etiquette. It's the same reason why Yang didn't kill Reindhardt when he had the chance.
>>215083566Gonna need a source on that one bruv
Is this the most based bro story in media? Im in for ultrabro, no gay shit, recommendations.I can only suggest Papillion. The original one.
>>215092536Yeah it looks great but im stuggling to get through it
>>215081764If you've ever played any sort of space simulation combat game, you quickly realize that because of the vast distances involved each fleet is just a point shooting at each other. In fact it's closer to being 1D than 3D.
>>215091081Believe it or not, this was Baki's most spiritual arc.
>>215093667If you try to fly above or below the enemy they'll see what you're doing and just orient their ships so they are still facing you head on. So you're in the exact same position you were before: two fleets facing each other head on.
>>215088598Probably to protect the supply lines that happen behind them? They are not always in pure X axis position in the show, you know. LotGH space warfare mostly follows naval warfare rules, but thats it. You will see Wen li improvising with his ship when he is losing the battle. Niggas here should see the show. Its the only /tv/ approved anime
I watched the remake, much better
>>215082484Marcross +it's the best.
>>215081764>Instead line up in close formation and take turns firing volleys at what's in front of you like napoleonic infantry columnsyeah, I dropped it for that too
>>215093881A true bro would engage in one-on-one combat to settle their differences.A fake bro would send millions of conscripted soldiers (drafted against their will) to be slaughtered in pointless battles because they're bored.Reuenthal was the fakest of bros.
>>215081764a straight line is a straight line no matter how many units you can move or where on the grid you are. you cluster your ships together so the smaller ones dont get picked off in a rock v scissors situation. By having everyone in the same place, large is forced to fight large, med v med, small v small.you're one of those fucking midwits that think 'its so stupid that soldiers marched into gun fire' arent you?
it's not about the space battles
>>215081812>we now interrupt this space dogfight for the survival of the human race to bring you:>THE PETTY SQUABBLES OF A JPOP IDOLMiss me with that gay shit
This has to be the most overrated show of all time. 2 okay to good seasons, 2 bad to terrible ones. Every character is a Mary Sue if the plot needs him to be.The whole intergalactic war feels incredibly small with 10 battles for the stupid-ass bubble fortress.
Goofy cartoon. If you don't agree with its reactionary pro-monarchist ideas that democracy sucks and enlightened monarchy is based then there's not much more there.
>>2150827077 is actually fucking amazing but you have to get about 5 episodes in to get used to the tone. Frontier was alright but hasn’t aged well.Delta is pretty shit and weird but I liked the girlsPlus in the movie there are a lot of SDFM cameos
>>215088854holy mother of kino
>>215093357>crazy new ship technologythere is something like that. they warp geisburg fortress up to the frontline to counter iserlohn. it's treated like a test of an experimental technology. but it's not mentioned after that.dunno if that was a mistake or not.on one hand, it would be a tangible new thing that old commanders wouldn't have any experience with, might resist using, etc. which would lend credence to reinhard and yang being competent (although it comes a bit too late in the story for that).on the other hand, it dampens reinhard's story if it was just a piece of technology that resulted in a united galaxy.
>>215096511It's implied that Reinhardt's monarchy collapsed in the end. Hildegard betrayed Reinhardt while his corpse was still warm.
>>215083699Weakest part is the constant bullshit pulled to stop the Alliance and Yang Wenli from Curbstomping the Empire at every opportunity despite having every concievable advantage.Also I hate to be that guy, but the show is super fucking misogynistic in a really fucking cringe way. "Noooo I'm a failure as a woman because I can't make a sandwich".
>>215097324>misogynisticFaggot
>>215093357And they have to travel between arms of the Galaxy and those areas of space are extremely empty.
>>215088733>fitting considering reinhard is a napoleon/gustavus adophus stand-inHe is overtly Alexander the Great. You in to history enough to know better.
>>215097268Simply not true. Reinhard's sister was still alive, he had children, and the admiralty were supporting both of them, and the entire galaxy had been reunited.
>>215088733>your instead you're>doesn't capitalize WhiteStfu pajeet
>>215081764>>215081812Gundam mogs both
>>215097562Don't read up on what happened to the Macedonians.
>>215089067It makes perfect sense for a space faring civilization to have developed rifles and guns so powerful they will fuck up your spaceship when inside of it.
superior classic anime coming through.
>>215088533Realistic space battle don't exist, and if they existed they were boring shit, and wouldn't resonate with anyone.Your commend was neither intelligent nor intersting
>>215093881It is inferior to Titus Pullo and Lucius Vorenus.
>>215097607only a precious few are as good as SDFMthe rest are slop
>>215093246Because the battles drive the plot. Our characters are also a bunch of admirals so of course they spend time coming up with strategies but you also can't expect some Japanese author to know how to write logically sound space battles.
>>215092613stop shitlling that shitty stop motion cartoon
>>215092959cry more, bitch>>215092161t. seething modern anime-tardle 'slideshow' is when it's done right
>>215093269Motherfuckers literally mailed cash to the animation studio for years to get the show done. Boggles my mind
>>215094404>I watched the remake, much better
>>215092211 Checked eleven dubsNunnally never became the Empress thoughBritannia fell apart into smaller states with the biggest one transforming into a republic with Shneizel as installed president
>>215097802They are logical, I bet you didn't know there's a whole electronic warfare happening during battles, so communication is never instant, they use courier ships and signals to ships near them to relay orders, thus the need for competent admirals. The ships are sometimes hundreds of kilometers away from each other, thus the laser effectiveness varies. Ships have frontal armor and shields but nothing on the sides because reasons. The writers even went the distance to explain there's futuristic machines that make one hour of sleep count for eight, probably because he did the math and the crew available wouldn't be enough to realistically fight battles that sometimes can take a week to end.I could go on, you are a big fag and a nitpicker that doesn't appreciate scifi go back to gaywars faggot.
>>215097324>misogynisticfaggot. How do you call a woman that can't do woman things if not a failure?
>>215097858Based meme
>>215096421Go watch moeshit, please
>>215092211LoGH is objectively better, but Code Geass is way easier to watch if you're a brain-rotted ADHD sperg like most of us. Code Geass is loaded with fan service, witty banter, and lightning fast action. LoGH has long haul narrative driving the story, slow boil combat and a deep historical meta narrative. I like both, but I've yet to finish LoGH from beginning to end.
>>215097324>don't want to be that guyYou are, faggot
>>215097949You sound like a reasonable young men. I first watched lotgh in my very early 20s. Took me two tries to finish, I would often rewind scenes to make sure I understood. Its worth the effort and all those characters will be dear to you for the rest of your life.
>>215090170That's retarded nigga. What's stopping thee attacking force from just spreading out and bombarding disparate sections of the planet? if you wanted to completely protect the planet the defending ships would need to be placed hundreds of kilometers apart.
>>215098007I rather wish I'd seen LoGH in my early 20s as I had an easier time digesting information back then. Now I struggle with fairly simple stories much smaller in scope, but I fully intend to pick it back up again. Definitely worth watching, a true gem from the days when anime was an artform and not just a medium for "more content."
>>215090170There's chivalry involved in the way the characters think on lotgh. Besides there's "space lanes" on this setting. Essentially corridors, thousands on kilometers long, that allow space traveling. Trying to transverse space outside those lanes is suicide, you get lose or blowup. Why? Because magnets I dunno, also so they can justify writing a space war in a more conventional way.
>>215097705Gonna start this when I have some free time because the elf is cute. What am I for?
>>215098163I meant to say "what am I in for".Now some anon is going to say I'm an ESL.What a fool I've been.
>>215098163Its like the top 5 gateway anime ever made. Expect jap D&D nerds writing a campaign, because that's what it is.
Which party do you think he is?
>>215098193He would be elected as a democrat and be re-elected as a republican, duuh.
>>215098193He's a white Eric Adams.
>>215081764kek If you put it that way, it doesn't really make sense, but its central point is the political plot of the series. Besides, we've never experienced a real space battle to find out what it's like.
>>215097705Yeah, Record of Lodoss War is an all-time classic. It's a much easier watch than LoGH too, the original series is like 12 episodes or something versus 80. Chronicles of the Heroic Knight is also worth a watch, goes into a bit more detail. Skip the annoying chibi joke clips at the ending though, they're tone deaf and annoying as fuck.
>>215098163Classic high fantasy anime kino. Don't expect to be subverted; it's true to form in every way. There are dragons, dark knights, an evil wizard, an elf, and the good knight rescues the damsel in distress. I wish modern fantasy anime could still be like this, but it's too busy having middle schoolers transported to "another world" for the nine thousandth time.
>>215088787I like Yan Wendi, but that part really creeped me out. I don't want to believe Yan was racist; I think he just represents the Japanese's cohabiting mentality, living in a secluded area and unaware of the world's different cultures.
>it's over
>>215097562Hildegard was having conversations with Frederica about changing to a constitutional monarchy. There's no reason for her to do this. Even if she thinks it's okay, Reinhardt's supporters would likely see it as treason and as a sign of weakness. They might even suspect Hildegard being responsible for Reinhardt's death. Opportunistic people would use it as a pretext to rebel.
>>215082581this. fucking autism
>>215097324yeah it's kind of embarrassing, all my favorite kino have these really regressive """storylines""" for women and i always wonder why they didn't just shutter them out completely
>>215092211No, is not. It has a good ending but meh, it doesn't even come close to the masterpiece that is LOGH.
>>215097324>to stop the Alliance and Yang Wenli from Curbstomping the EmpirelolwutReinhard is the one turned into a retard to not win the war in a week
>>215098326Previous imperial dinasty purged all undesireables, therefore it's normal that he haven't ever seen a nig. Like 99.)% of europe until the end of XX century
>>215097324>I hate to be that guy, butNo you don't, Redditor. You should, but you don't.
>>215082117you're a tourist of the highest order.
>>215082581It was a series of novels. Pretty good, though desu you're not missing anything if you just watch the anime.
>>215096511>reactionary pro-monarchist ideasyou are retarded and didnt understand the point it was simply asking the question is democracy a infallible perfect system? is a corrupt decaying democracy still better than a benevolent dictatorshipuse your fucking brain.
>>215097607gundam is for pretentious children>WAR IS BADwow how incredibly enlightening.
>>215099248Deep. >simply asking questions Not really. This anime jerks off to the idea of benevolent dictatorship while presenting "democracy" as closer to actual dictatorship than any real democracy. No one ever said that democracy is a perfect system.
>>215099288>No one ever said that democracy is a perfect system.the west does, or should i say the "leaders" of the west have for DECADES. we then imposed democracy by the barrel of a gun onto most of the rest of the world, also i can tell you didnt pay any attention because the anime spends half the shows length talking about how horrible the goldenbaum dictatorship wasthe point there is no inherently good or bad political system it all depends on who is running it.
>>215098465>embarrassing>regressiveFucking zoomers. Frederica and Fräulein Mariendorf are good unconventional female characters. You're offended by Frederica being shit at cooking? A lot of young women these days are, unfortunately, disgusting, lazy pigs - and she has the excuse of having devoted her life to the military. And if you don't believe a wife should be able and willing to do domestic chores for her husband, there's a place for your kind called Reddit. Same deal if you think the battlefield is a place for women generally, barring (maybe) the odd exception.
>>215099321>the west doesIt's just better than others, but obviously not perfect. >how horrible the goldenbaum dictatorship wasThe space Hitler guy? It basically justified his actions.
>>215083699I actually kind of love that>Bittenfeld is a bullheaded, stubborn guy>his fleet is good at bullrushing
>>215099321This. How many fucking times do we hear that X "regime" is bad because it's undemocratic (or supposedly so), and that Israel is "the only democracy in the Middle East". Meanwhile, elections in the West (certainly in my shithole country) are all pre-rigged via (((the media))), with meaningful alternatives to the endless self-destruction effectively excluded if not explicitly outlawed, and that wonderful democracy in the Middle East is engaged in a genocide. LOGH is more honest than anything in Western media, because it portrays the flaws of decaying democracies - which are what we live in. *And* it shows the downsides of authoritarian regimes too. The Empire is shown to have been a pretty miserable, oppressive place to live for the vast majority of people for hundreds of years, and Tanaka and the anime make it clear that Reinhard is an exception. And Tanaka arguably comes down on the side of democracy in the end, since the series ends with the hope of a constitution leading to people having more rights and a greater say over their governance.
>>215099513LOGH isn't honest at all. It portrays a corrupt system that's closer to dictatorship as your typical democracy. Free Planet Alliance isn't even a democracy. It's like some corrupt barely working dictatorship. Like Russia or maybe Belarus. And yet you have that moron Yang constantly blabbing how he will defend democracy. It's pure nonsense. >IsraelLiterally everyone shits on Israel now except Murica.
>>215099363>The space Hitler guy? It basically justified his actionsHe's right: you didn't watch the show. Or if you did, you've forgotten it. Episode 40 is the one that covers Goldenbaum's life in the most detail. The historian guy introduces that segment by saying...>And those who were concerned [about the absolute state of things] weren't mistaken in recognising that the illness of society needed a drastic treatment. But they were mistaken in their choice of the remedy.Which sets the tone. We're then shown how Rudolf defeated the pirates (Ă la Pompey), used his fame to enter politics and managed to become "President for Life", using his power to improve efficiency, stamp out degeneracy etc. But it also shows how he went way too far, introducing an "Inferior Genes Exclusion Law", establishing a secret police force (which disappears people according to the arbitrary whims of its chief), dissolving Parliament, creating an undeserving aristocracy etc. You can't come away from that thinking the show was fanning his balls. You know, if you've actually watched it. (Same deal in the novels btw.)
>>215099584>It's like some corrupt barely working dictatorshipSo exactly like a modern Western "democracy". I live - unfortunately - in the UK, whose political system is often literally described (by those who support it!) as an "elective dictatorship". Trunicht and particularly that Cornelia Windsor bitch are very recognisable political archetypes. Western politicians absolutely exploit foreign wars and patriotism for their own electoral and financial benefit - in the US even more than here, I'd say.>Literally everyone shits on Israel now except MuricaYeah, now. That's a relatively new development, at least in the West. But note that it's only rhetoric - nothing material is being done to stop them from murdering Palestinians. And politicians/the mainstream media are still 100% in support of the state of Israel; they'll criticise Netanyahu, but never suggest we shouldn't support Israel financially/militarily, let alone that it's the fucking jews generally.
>>215096402she got slapped hard at the end of the movie for her antics, so that's a redeeming feature of this movie
>>215097705yey elf nipple
>>215096511>democracy sucksTrue>enlightened monarchy is basedTrue
>>215098506>>215097949>>215092332Counter point: Geass has multiple girls vying for the position of best girl of the show; CC and Kallen were literally two of the biggest girls of anime during Bush and Obama.LotGH has two guys who sleep together and no girls.
>>215100413You literally never experienced enlightened monarchy. >>215099907You exaggerate. Western democracy still exists and works relatively well. Trump won, all kind of alt-rightists are gaining in Europe. I'm not happy about it, but it's a proof that elections aren't rigged and while troubled, democracy still works. >nothing material is being done to stop them from murdering PalestiniansNot much can be done. Israel doesn't give a fuck about anyone as long as Americans support them and Europeans are now afraid to go directly against Americans. >>215099751And all of this is portrayed as necessary evil. It's basically meme version of Weimar degeneracy that was replaced by the superior authoritarian order.
>>215099751>Or if you did, you've forgotten it.I'm not gonna lie, I watched it more than 15 years ago and don't remember it that well.
>>215098326it's a badly translated running gag about having unauthorized people in the ship, that's all
>>215092580you just so happen to have forgotten that the church was the main orchestrator behind most of the tragic events in the show, huhalso even Reinhard capitulates to Yang that republicanism is better than autocracy
>>215098144there's cosmic phenomena that prevent free travel in some areas of the inhabited galaxy, that's all, it's really not a huge stretch of the imagination
>>215082117this fuckin guy again. fixating on the rape scene and wanting more moral ambiguity from the plot (shawshank). fuckin mentally ill rape victim freak get off my board
>>215092613>the same people who like something good don't like slop! Hypocrisy at its finest!You're dumb
>>215099513>democracy wins in the endIf democracy wasn't such an absolute turd of a system Goldenbaum wouldn't have gotten any meaningful support. Not to mention it also tends to create people like Trunicht.
>>215100875Luckily IRL democracy is mere years away from being supplanted by AI-facilitated "meritocracy"
>>215084036ROBOTECH. Though Battletech did use many Macross designs...leading to its decades long feud with Harmony Gold.
>>215100562Fair enough.
>>215100875Well, yeah - and I wouldn't say Tanaka has democracy "winning". At best he's ambivalent, and implying that maybe the Goldenlöwe dynasty will evolve into something more democratic, and that'll be a good thing - but he also makes it abundantly clear that we can't have nice things indefinitely. Our current age ends in a nuclear holocaust; the United Earth Government eventually becomes genocidal; the Sirius Republic is barely a blip; the Galactic Federation's golden age doesn't last; Goldenbaum's reforms are accompanied by murder and repression - and subsequent kaisers lack his reformist zeal; the FPA is compromised (through mass immigration!) and generally corrupted in many of the ways the West has been; (((Phezzan))) (even ignoring the whole Terran Cult thing) isn't really run for the benefit of the ordinary Phezzanese, and its scheming ruler gambles everything and loses.
>>215100528>And all of this is portrayed as necessary evilIt literally isn't, though. Granted, they don't spell out the alternatives in any detail, but both the first book and the anime make it clear that there were other solutions people could have chosen, but they opted instead for "a fast-acting elixir that came with many side effects" (from the novel).
>>215101358The FPA was as democratic as it gets in that universe and they almost strung up Yang from the gallows for daring to competent without being a boot licker of the ruling politicians. Don't forget how it was muh peaceful democracy who insisted on starting and continuing the war in which millions of people die. But obviously the people cannot be held responsible for that nor are they even aware of their warmongering nature.Obviously the empire had flaws just as severe but it at least allows for the option of positive change. Meanwhile Yang only has the opportunity to change his system of government by completely supplanting it, which he obviously doesn't want to do.
>>215101629>Obviously the empire had flaws just as severe but it at least allows for the option of positive changeOnly via a revolution led by someone incredibly talented and focused - or if a new kaiser just happens to be competent. But yeah, the FPA by the time frame covered in the main story is essentially fucked beyond repair. Just as there's no political solution to the problems in my own country (and probably throughout the West). Though there are political outcomes that could accelerate things towards a point of collapse, but that's all.
>>215101629>which he obviously doesn't want to do.And never would, openly admitting that if the people vote a ruthless, barbaric regime into power, his principals would force him to support it.
>>215100528>Western democracy still exists and works relatively well. Trump won, all kind of alt-rightists are gaining in EuropeYeah, he won, but what really changed? You're still importing and paying for infinity browns, still creeping towards European-style restrictions on speech etc, still supporting/fighting Israel's wars. Similar story with Miloni in Italy, and it'll certainly be the case with Farage in the UK if he wins in 2028/9. Probably with RN in France too, alas.
>>215101451It's obvious that Tanaka was inspired by the collapse of Weimar but neither historically nor in the show do I remember meaningful alternatives to Hitler or Goldenbaum. The fact remains that the failing democratic system couldn't fix itself and also couldn't be truly fixed within the confines of its legal/electoral system.>fast acting elixir Sounds like cope since no other elixir seemed capable of changing anything of importance to begin with
>>215102526Different puppet doesn't mean different puppeteer.
Best girl.
>>215081764it's like space opera is allegorical and not about space warfare tactics.
>>215098373Dude, you're a speed-watcher. Reinhardt literally tells Hilda she's free to institute a constitutional monarchy on his death-bed in-front of all the inner-circle admirals.
>>215101783>only via revolution Yes exactly. The openly brutal and competitive nature of the Empire makes it blatantly obvious that only strength of arms and allies can make a difference. It is very honest in that regard. The FPA and democracy is far more insidious, the system is falsely connected to the will of the people so anything outside the system is fundamentally alien to the people in totality. So change is only legitimate within the system only that no true change is allowed so obviously anybody who has any actual ideas can eat shit and get escorted out by guards
>>215089250Almost all of LOGH's animation budget went into the space battles. They look so fucking good, we will never get anything like it ever again since 3DCG shit has completely changed the medium. Just thousands of painstakingly hand drawn ships blowing up in slow motion, pure kino.
>>215102746>Sounds like copeMaybe, yeah, but my point was that neither the anime nor the books (intentionally, at least) suggest that everything Rudolf did was "necessary". Both explicitly state that there were alternatives, i.e. it wasn't.
>>215093266Change it up; read the books.
>>215103595That's fair, Rudolph did create a bunch of problems on his own but without him the galaxy gets to find out how many planets can turn into Mad Max at the same time.
>>215103798Maybe. Theoretically, an actual-Hitler-type dictator could have enacted the necessary reforms without the bad shit. Or a Sulla type could have restored democracy after he was done.Btw, the book does provide an example of a revolution/dictatorship not being necessary to achieve reforms, in the era a couple of centuries prior:>In SE 106, the government finally put forth a serious effort to eliminate the pirates, and thanks to the efforts of admirals M. Chuffrin and C. Wood, this objective had been all but achieved two years later. It was by no means easy. As Admiral Wood, known for his sharp tongue, later wrote in his memoirs,>I had competent enemies in front of me, incompetent allies behind me, and had to fight with both of them at once. Hell, I wasn’t even entirely sure I could count on myself!>After Admiral Wood moved into the world of politics, he was known as “that insensitive, stubborn old geezer” who waged a tireless, tenacious war against corrupt politicians and businesspeople.>These societal diseases continued to flare up without interruption. However, they were—if we consider the whole of humanity as a single individual—really nothing more than the equivalent of minor skin irritations. There is no way to prevent them completely, just as it is impossible to fully eliminate abrasions to one’s skin. But as long as proper treatment is applied, there is no reason at all for such ailments to lead to a patient’s death. And so it was that without ascending the operating table, humanity continued on in mostly good health for the next two centuries.
>>215081764I want to rewatch it but then i remember how retarded the space scenes are especially everything involved with the jew planet corridor. Space was a terrible choice as a setting it wouldve been far better as a boat show
>>215093357No the author just doesnt know space is three dimensional until the final third of the show
Yang Wenli is such an uptight nigger. He's really hard to tolerate on repeat viewings.
>>215081764The most retarded part about the battle formations wasn't even this. It sort of makes sense if they have shielding at the front since that way the idea that battle are won with Napoleanic manoeuvre warfare tactics makes sense, and this was shown in some scenes, but sometimes within the same episodes the shields cease to exist.The dumbest thing was Phezzan. You're telling me that these guys fought for decades over control over a galactic corridor, built a moon sized fortress to defend it, and this whole time there's a habitual planet located in the only other passage to the opposing side. A planet with ZERO defenses despite having access to the exact weapons that would guarantee its autonomy.>they literally gave the Artemis Necklace to a Romaboo larp planet but have none for themselvesEveryone is aware of this passage, both sides have diplomatic missions on this planet, they all know it's utterly defenseless and none consider the possibility that the other side could use it?In order to make the two protagonists look smart, they had to turn every living soul in the galaxy into a fucking retard. I mean, I like the aesthetics, I enjoy the premise and the basic outline of the events, I wish we had more politically focused dramas especially space operas, but this fatal flaw is so stupid that it ruins the entire story.A plothole that could've easily been solved by just letting Phezzan have the Artemis Necklace. With just this, their autonomy makes sense.
>>215104497It's implied that Phezzan's economic grip is so powerful on the Empire/FPA that neither dare to touch it.
>>215104530That predicament would require no one to just steamroll it in its early days when it did not have that grip. Btw when they were conquered, nothing happened. It was turned into the imperial capital. The only resistance was space Lex Luthor with a personal grudge and the gender bender Bene Gesserit from Earth.
>>215104245That is a very cute quote but it also reveals to me that in lore Historian/narrator is a retard. Corruption has existed forever but in the past it still had many natural limitation or environmental pressure, meaning if societies got too corrupt, the limits of their technology means they either die or change their ways. There was a pretty hard limit on how corrupt and fucked up a civilization could become before reforming enough or dying the fuck out.Industrial revolution and modern tech changed that, now there are far far greater limits that need to be reached before the general populations starts actually starving and freezing. This means that no matter how bad latter day Rome was, the Weimar Republic was worse.Old Man Wood certainly kept humanity off the operating table for a while but since society as a whole never managed to mature deep corruption out of itself, it ended up with Weimar 3.0This time the patient is not only back on the operating table but his situation is so critical that democracy as a concept was amputated away and only existed within a a small fringe at the edge of the Galaxy.
>>215104600>That predicament would require no one to just steamroll it in its early days when it did not have that gripYes but you forget that the Empire was holding Iserlohn fortress for all the years before Wenli's little ruses. They didn't need to steamroll over Phezzan, and the FPA was shown to be hugely in debt to Phezzan to bother attacking it.
Does Julian and his shitty independent planet have any chance of not getting immediately annexed soon.Maybe they can become Phezzan 2.0 or something
>>215104663It would quickly turn into North Korea levels of isolation if the next Empire ruler wasn't as eager to put up with their cute little act. But Iserlohn is shown to be fairly independent and self-providing so maybe they would in isolation prosper on their mini planet.
>>215097324You love being that guy you disingenuous nigger, the woman in LOGH are actually pretty good compared to regular anime
>>215088614Strawman
>>215104659So this somehow makes sense because...when you have control over 1 of the 2 corridors, you're fine with leaving the other one completely defenseless? Again, this assumes that for the decades prior to the debt rising or even beginning, both sides were completely fine with the potential backdoor randomly being used and their entire government collapsing as we saw.The only response below using Phezzan yourself is building defensive counter measures at either end of the corridor so that if the opposing side ever chose to attack, you can block them in the chokepoint, as we saw other do in the anime.I'm sorry but the idea they would let millions of their men to die over Iserlohn but not spare a single soul to protect their end of Phezzan is retarded.
>>215081764What is Star WarsAlso..>anime
>>215104745Phezzan was still Empire domain. Autonomous sure but still Empire. We don't really know how defenseless it was against the FPA. Against Reinhardt it makes sense to be defenseless since technically Reinhardt does claim dominion over it and I doubt Phezzan could build defenses against their technical masters.
>>215104815That is true but what Anon is asking is why doesn't the Empire take precautions against the FPA screaming Leroy Jenkins and going through the Phezzani corridor.
>>215104712I also believe that the people of the former FPA will not just accept empire rule with a priviliged nobility and less social mobility.Seems like a recipe for guerilla movements, specially after Reinhardo's death.
>>215097858I didnt watch the remake because the character design looked very fujo oriented. But apart from that what is the problem with the remake? looks good
