>*ahem* Fuck Eywa!
>>215099762Do NOT the blue fire cats
>>215099804Do not what? I NEED TO KNOW!
I finally watched Avatar 2 because I wanted to at least be caught up for the third one for her.It was one of the most boring movies I've ever sat through, and I really hope evil pyromancer navi makes up for it next time
>>215099830>It was one of the most boring movies I've ever sat throughI know right. This movie bored me to death. Nothing happens for like 2 hours, and seeing "Annoying Hollywood Kid #386" swim with some whale was not engaging. Ok Cameron has to jerk off to water all the time, but man it's tiresome after ten minutes.>I really hope evil pyromancer navi makes up for it next timeI hope so, but Avatar 3 will be three hours long too...She cannot carry the whole thing on her back alone. Honestly I liked what we saw of her with Quaritch. I like the dynamics and I'm sorry but the villains have more charisma than any of the good guys.https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fhu29KVm8T_aTbhcDyVWcJlKmrSsSfD1/view
>>215099902Yeah, I was wondering what the point of bringing Quaritch back was, having him basically become an actual navi by the end, because I assumed he was going to be dead as the whole "actually we made backup avatars for the marines!" thing felt like an asspull because Cameron's grand plan didn't include a more elegant solution than basically a retcon (including the 60 year old man apparently having a kid that young)But at least he's still alive, that's somethingI do also think the fire Navi should look more different, like the water ones do
Let's get it done then
>>215099816He meant to type dress them up in business suits and get them working long hours for the glory of RDA's financial branch (RDA Chase)
Can Humans and Na'vi interbreed?
>>215100052only if the human is a 12 year old boy and the navi is varang
>>215099951>(including the 60 year old man apparently having a kid that young)You think it's rare? lol
>>215100851Yes, in civil society it is rare for a 60 year old man to be in a position to knock someone upMaybe in South america or wherever you're from where men are banging their own daughters, it's common, I wouldn't knowIt's also a retcon
>>215099762I'm not really an Avatarhead, I don't care about the lore and stuff, but I watched the previous movies because they simply reminded you why Cameron is one of Hollywood's best. Even from this clip alone you can feel that 90s era classics, especially the way he frames every shot. There's no wasted scene, some of it even innovative and spectacular. Even though the story was predictable, the way they shot every scene makes it interesting to watch. It's something that's lost in today's hollywood even though the production value and visual technologies are higher and better.
>>215099762I want to introduce her to the comforts of modern civilization.
>>215099830I thought it was great but I'm less than miserable
>>215099830>>215101531I'll add that Quaritch hard sold the movie and the sinking boat climax was an iconic set piece
>>215101171>Maybe in South america or whereverWherever in this case is a shaddy military outpost in the jungle on a moon far from civilization, that makes such event perfectly plausible no?
>>215101543>boat climaxwhy did neytiri and the little one flee deeper into the boat after getting sucked in through that door?if they'd stayed in that room they could've waited like 10 seconds and then swam back out when the suction stopped
>>215101562noespecially as it was not in the first movie at all and there is zero reference to the motherit's overall a very contrived addition to the storythey would've been better off saying he was actually the human backup of quaritch, like a big boss/solid snake cloned son type of situation, than saying "oh he had a son before he left that he apparently knew about because he says he thought "you got shipped back to earth" to the kid, which also begs the question that if giovanni ribisi and whoever else had the nigga backed up on hard drive, why they wouldn't probably also make sure to have an idea of where his kid went
>>215101612>which also begs the question that if giovanni ribisi and whoever else had the nigga backed up on hard drive, why they wouldn't probably also make sure to have an idea of where his kid wentOfficially, they voluntarily abandoned him on Pandora because babies can't be shipped to Earth, so they do know who and where he is. It's a bit far fetched but that's what we've been told.
>>215101698right which makes the birth even more suspect also it's retarded that he wouldn't know that about babiesthey should've cut that entire dumb character out of the movie (and probably also cut like 25 minutes of jake sully's retarded kids looking around in wonder at various things) and given that time to flesh out quaritch arc, like having him look around in wonder at the dumb crap, and actually go native, and then be torn between being a true navi and wanting revenge on jake, and then deciding he wants revenge morespider was gay and lame, and the movie didn't need dozens of minutes spent looking at fish and sea anemones, and especially not the first act when those fucking kids are like jazzed as fuck about the shit they presumably see every fucking day because they were like 3 miles away from the cave they lived in
>>215101378I know what you mean...
>>215101761>they were like 3 miles away from the cave they lived inNah they travelled for days on dragon back.I agree about Spider, I already said it but if you erase his arc nothing changes and the movie can only improves.
>>215102383>I agree about Spider,And what the fuck is this stupid name?
>>215099762Her hairstyle kills it for me. Bitch looks like she is balding. Honestly, being totally bald would be a better cut than that.
So the plot is basically Eywa farted too loud and an volcano exploded
>>215102454I suspect the entire character, including the nickname, was imposed by a producer. He has nothing to do with the movie's universe, at least for now.
>>215099762Eywa:>FOR THE CRIME OF INVENTING WHEELBARROW >AND FOR THE ATROCITY OF TRYING TO READ >I SENTENCE YOU HEREFORTH>TO THE ASHLANDS!walk the night plays as the EVIL Na'vi march with their books and hoes and water buckets under menacing gaze of GOOD Na'vi shitting themselves on jungle streets.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXyALtP85fY
You know that the potentially cool alliance between bad Navi and bad Humans won't last. Cameron is incapable of taking narrative risks. So they'll probably betray each other, Varang will die at the end after realizing she was in the wrong and sacrifice herself to save Kiri because Kiria is Eywa's chosen one or some shit so by dying she'll repent and be able to join the planet, while Humans get rekr for the third time.Hey, I'll even add something! The ash tribe will gain a new tree of souls or whatever the name is that will grow from the dead body of Varang. Also they will learn that ashes are fertile and the water tribe with help them. Because water good ( despite the fact life exists because of the Sun, therefore fire ).
>>215102858>while Humans get rekr for the third time.OOna Chaplin is credited for the later movies, she won't die in the next one.
>>215102978At least a potentially good news, if her character is well-written
>>215102517not quite
>>215099762>fuck EywaSo, are they going to team up with humans?
>>215103471See >>215099902
>>215101761>wants to flesh out Quaritch>mad when they flesh out QuaritchThe guy has been alive less than a few days after being dead over a decade. The RDA has been back over a year. They could have taken his son and sent him back at any point during that time and not needed to tell him shit. They state repeatedly, that he's not actually Quaritch and not related to the kid.
>>215102383Pretty much ever big moment relies on Spider and greatly improves Quaritch's character. He's no longer a one dimensional evil villain just bent on killing because he's evil. Quaritch spends half the movie with Spider learning things the RDA, which don't care about the Na'vi, don't know and can't teach him. They got the language wrong, don't know how to tame the animals, etc. Spider inadvertently led them to the Metkayina. Quaritch wouldn't be stopped from killing Jake's kids without Spider. Spider is the one that destroyed the giant ship. And now Spider will be the downfall of the Na'vi by showing humans can become hybrids.
>>215103497Didn't watch Acatar 2, do you recommend it?Why she hates the "Allmother"?
>>215103680>Didn't watch Acatar 2, do you recommend it?Absolutely. It was a blast in theaters for the re-release.>Why she hates the "Allmother"?You will have to watch in December and find out. Like every movie.
>>215103680>do you recommend it?No. It's objectively a chore to watch>>215103680>Why she hates the "Allmother"?Because volcano went boom and Eywa didn't answer the prayers
>>215103680>Why she hates the "Allmother"?She explains why here >>215099762, can't you read on the lips?
This is part of a series of posts paid for by the James Cameron and Friends foundation.The only valid criticism so far with the WoW's writing is this:>1 year is hardly enough time for the humans to have surveyed Pandora, found out about the amrita and having it pay for the whole operation, which implies commercialization by that pointCounterpoints:>Human tech by now is incredibly advanced, it can determine the properties of the substance much quicker in the long term than we could with today's tech>the fact that it's the amrita that's paying for the entire operation hints that the humans already knew of it during the 1st movie, the ships sent to Pandora would have been paid for with amrita credit (although after the blunder of the 1st movie it would have been at VERY high interest so they dollar per gallon should be more than worth it), and the fact that the new primary settlement is built by the sea hints at this foreknowledge too>the robots shown in the movie used for construction can greatly accelerate the pace of settlement operations, giving field players lots of time and resources to focus on the whaling>unobtanium is still mined as we can infer from the railway infrastructure shown at the beginning of the movie, presumably used to transport ore from the mines to the city>In the movie it is said by General Ardmore they've done more in a year than the previous 30 years, meaning they've been mining unobtanium for at least 10 years before the events of the 1st movie, giving them an economic reason to divert to whale brain juice, as its supply is less and its demand much greater
hehe, they did the cross bikini outfit (almost)
>>215104276Varang is not a slut
>The water tribe disappeared without reason during the final battleCounterpoints:>the battle wasn't onesided as you would think, just because the editing decided to prioritize the Sully family doesn't mean other things aren't taking place in the background>we see in various shots tribesmen being shot down, let's not forget that they're going up against potent firearms with range advantage, whereas their spears require the closing of distance>it could have very well been decided by the water clan's leadership to retreat after the presumably heavy toll suffered, once the demonship (big boat) ran arock, which was their primary target (let's not forget these are technologically primitive and thus illiterate beings)>the apparent disappearing of the water tribe coincides with the approaching and onset of the last eclipse in the movie, making it very hard for them to keep on fighting in such adverse conditions, possibly superstitious reason involved>the chieftain's daughter was still held hostage at the time of presumed retreat, but since the water tribe had already suffered a heavy toll, making retreat necessary, and the Sully kids were still imprisoned, it is sensible to presume the chieftain trusted Jake to get them all back while dealing with more important matters such as gathering the corpses of his fallen soldiers and bringing them ashore (it was practically a family matter of the Sully's at that point anyway, with only 1 water tribe captive, and since it was the family which had brought the conflict to the water clan and because of it decimated many of their warriors, it is understandable that the water chieftain wouldn't have overextended for them)
>>215104276I want to kiss her whole body. Finally an adult Na'vi with charisma
>80 million dollars a vial of amrita isn't a realistic quantity to then pay for an interstellar colonization operation spanning many years, when the substance in question can only be harvested from an adult whale in very modest quantities, in the space of a yearCounterpoints:>we don't know about the state of currency back on earth, for all we know it could be massively deflated compared to today>the person who says it's paying for the "operation on Pandora" is the whaler, in all likelihood he's only referring to the on-ground or even just on-sea expenses, as the interstellar operations are not "on Pandora" technically, but in any case, the unobtanium mined until then (and in continuous extraction as of the movie) very likely made interstellar travel and mostly anything to do with high energy expenditure extremely affordable (and probably brought about extreme deflation)>it is furthermore only referring to the on-planet expenditures if we consider humanity is fleeing increasingly inhospitable earth, the survival of the species wouldn't hinge on the commercialization of a rare substance>there's a thing called credit, investors who caught wind of the discovery would in all likelihood want in on it before anyone else>the numbers add up, if we consider that Pandora has sprawling oceans and is about the size of the Earth, and without native whaling activities and little to no pollution of their habitats, plus their pacificst-cooperativist philosophy, we can conclude that there are some tens of thousands of adult whales, we're talking about nearly a trillion dollars (if we're consivervative in estimating 10K of them) every generation of whales, just from one activity alone.Now we can see that all of the writing criticisms of Avatar: The Way of Water have been DEBUNKED, making it in effect a GREAT movie.
>>215100042You laugh but this is really the inevitable ending of the series.
>>215100052Don't navi "have sex" by connecting their hair pili and exchanging DNA and other information?
>>215105146No, they have sex with penis in vagina. The hair thing they do is to connect your nervous system with something else (animals they ride, Eywa, their lover) so if you do it with the person you're having sex with, it means you both experience each others bodily sensations
>>215104193>1 year this 1 year thatThere's more than 1 year between the events of movies 1 and 2, Sully's kids are 15-16 or so...
Somehow, skypeople returned
>>215105453It's 1 year between >>215105478 and the beginning of the plotSee pic related
>>215105100Sex with Kiri
>>215105478Yes, and it was the most badass return in cinema in decades. It's not wonder they started the psyop to push 'Le Avatar bad!' since it completely obliterated other movies making them look like jokes
>>215105579I wish this scene had been longer, slower and had used Vangelis' Conquest of Paradise as its theme
>>215105539Ok but nothing implies they didn't know about the armata before landing in movie 2. They must have studied Pandora for years even before movie 1, claiming "1 year is too short" doesn't make any sense.
I love evil women Avatar still sucks
>>215099762Imma get so fuckin stoned and watch this
>>215105738This and this
>>215105653it's a popular criticism and I'm just addressing it.
>>215105579The battles on the water are some of the best action scenes of the decade easily
>>215105866>it's a popular criticismThat was one dumb criticism then, there were relevant ones like "why didn't they blast the area when they landed where the first movie takes place?".
Posting possible leaks I found
>>215099762learn to crop
>>215105756Lol same
>>215106234The outpost in the first movie was the only one, it was inland, and no mention anywhere is made of whales or their brainjuices, the only focus is the unobtanium. It's the sudden mcguffin switch that made people object to it. Movie 2 gives us no indication whatsoever they did know about it beforehand.
>>215106298could be during the swamp scene
>>215106368The 2nd movie is set years later
>>215106391>1st movie ends with ALL humans leaving>2nd movie starts with 15 year montage>suddenly humans are back>"one year later" *plot begins*they've only been back for one year
>>215106298>>215106317>>215106333>>215106371the leak the other day is in line with this. so Kiri saves the day by dropping flying islands on the bad guys and their "nuclear oil drill" that was threatening Eywa then
>>215106459That's enough time to shift gears to the whale braincum especially if they refocused their attention due to being turned back from the unobtainium mining at the end of movie 1.
>>215106554that's what I said. glad we agree.
>>215106459A year is a long fucking time when they are going non-stop every day towards their purpose. They have TWELVE ships full of people and supplies. They have robots that are churning out buildings in six days. They're expanding fast as possible. Bridge Head has a full Sea Division whose mission is to exploit the water's resources. It's Cameron's world and better than the shit you'd come up with, so stop nitpicking, retard.
>>215106595>It's Cameron's world and better than the shit you'd come up with, so stop nitpicking, retard.I'm on your side you stupid retard
She would look bald without the head ornament thingy.
>>215106368What I'm saying is that for some reason they didn't blast the entire region when they landed the first time.
>>215106682new priorities.
>>215106682It was one singular ship the first time. It's a high risk maneuver to go down. And they weren't trying to harm the environment or antagonize the natives the first time. You're really stupid to need this basic shit explained to you.
>>215106752And they assembled the whole thing bit by bit over the years with just a shuttle to ship their shits in spare parts from orbit, yeah.
>space whales are pacifists>they still have to eat>they have to kill organisms to eat>whales are no longer pacifistsjust dismantled this shit movie's core logic and there's nothing cameron can do about it
>>215107004Pacifism really only applies to fellow sapients. You can still eat meat as a human and qualify as a pacifist. Of course humans are omnivores so a human pacifist that still ate meat would be a little odd since it's not essential. The whales are probably primarily sustained by eating krill like aliens so it's actually more sensible for them to eat meat and be pacifists since they'd die otherwise.
>>215107180>Pacifism really only applies to fellow sapients.Not really, you're not a pacifist if you kill innocent animals, for example a dog or even a fish. There's the matter of the needlessness of it of course, you're a pacifist per human standards if you kill to eat in the absence of alternative, but these whales take it to the extreme, they are even foregoing violence in situations where it is necessary to survive, such as when being hunted down and offering no resistance whatsoever. So they have no qualms with waiving their right to live in some cases, but then they refuse to starve to death? That's one big inconsistency.
some great quality trailers with no bars on this sitehttps://thedigitaltheater.com/avatar-fire-and-ash-2025/?noamp=available
>>215107411>violently rips innocent plants out of the ground and mashes them to death
>>215107411>they are even foregoing violence in situations where it is necessary to survive, such as when being hunted down and offering no resistance whatsoeverYou're right, them not being willing to defend themselves is silly and not really a typical pacifist stance.>you're not a pacifist if you kill innocent animals, for example a dog or even a fishI'd agree here too, I wasn't even thinking about just killing animals for the hell of it. Imagine the type of person that would claim to be a pacifist and then kill a dog for kicks. I'm sure someone that deranged does in fact exist, but they're no pacifist.
>>215099762should have been even taller and thicc
>>215106595>They have TWELVE ships full of people and supplies. They have robots that are churning out buildings in six days. They're expanding fast as possibleAt certain point SF movies stop making sense, because it would be easier for them just to construct orbital habitats with perfect environmental living conditions rather than trying to conquer the planet. It is more useful as a research lab full of biological specimens than place for a colony.
I am from Vulcano Aires and I say Kill'Em All
>>215108731I wonder how those horse-things taste
Gags stop them from biting.
>I'm gonna stab you, bitch! - Tuk
>>215109857Fool of a Tuk !
>>215109857Someone wants to be tied up again...
