Explain how this movie is fascist.
>highly militarized society>only "citizens" gain the right to vote through military service>war against a faceless "other">non-stop propaganda and if you didn't get all that, they gave the characters grey and black Nazi looking uniforms
You need the position retards take explained 2u?
>>215107424because the jews said so.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gujPXF1WLKI
It isn't. Facism is cops. Cops are the opposite of soldiers.
>>215107474soldiers are just unretarded cops
>>215107424Co-ed nude showering is fascism.
>>215107424The giant Cockroaches represent niggers
>>215107461>noooooo you can't have a well run society full of attractive, healthy people who respond with military force when overgrown cockroaches bomb their planet
Liberals think protecting yourself is facism.
>>215107424It’s based
>>215107613yeah the bugs from the other side of the galaxy dropped a rock onto earth...
>>215107633Humanity is losing, badly. It’s pretty obvious. Humans probably shouldn’t have started the war.
Verhoeven's mistake was having too much faith in humanity. His thesis was "would you still reject fascism if it looked this sexy?" and didn't take into account the droves of people ready to embrace fascism even if it wasn't.
>>215107424Oi vey! "Fascism" is bad goy! Only a noble communist society where the enlightened are empowered to direct how the masses of uneducated goy live is acceptable!
She was alone at the controls when the asteroid hit her ship, redirecting it towards Buenos Aires.Got false flag written all over itNot to mention the war was started by Mormon colonists infringing on bug space.
>>215107713Verhoeven is a very weird dude and even his analysis of his own films is usually completely bananas.It's like having Left vs Right arguments about something written by an alien from Mars.
>>215107424Is this the horrible fascist government where a military leader is actually punished for his fuckups and replaced by a black woman? Damn I hate those fascists
>>215107613>I believe anything the government tells me and would happily give my life for themyou do you retard
>>215107461>>highly militarized societyNeeded to maintain loyalty and to defend the society from infiltration and destruction by fake "allies".>>only "citizens" gain the right to vote through military serviceNeeded to prevent the fake "allies" that refuse to risk anything for the society from having a say in how it runs.>>war against a faceless "other"The war was with a species capable of destroying human cities via asteroid / meteor attacks.>>non-stop propagandaHappens in all societies, be the "fascist" or not.The only reason "fascism" gets a bad wrap is because it prevents the exploitation of a society by unscrupulous and poisonous (((peoples))).
>>215107713cry tranny
>>215107461>>highly militarized societyAre the only ones that have and have ever held power.>>only "citizens" gain the right to vote through military serviceIt's federal service of any kind.>>war against a faceless "other"They're literally bugs.>>non-stop propagandaWe live in that now and have for decades.
pretty gay we can't have a genuine thread about this kino since left/right brain retards started flooding in.
>>215107861Cope, chuddie.
>>215107877You tell em' rabbi!
>>215107877The very OP is political key-jangling, this is exactly what the OP hoped to achieve.
>>215107461>The leader takes immediate responsibility and resigns after initial failureOMG THIS IS JUST LIKE 20TH CENTURY FASCISMO
>>215107424The bugs are the mirror held up to the fascists. Every aspect of the human society has a coresponding bug equivalent. They are the same and Verhoeven does a good job of capturing this on film.
>>215107781>Not to mention the war was started by Mormon colonists infringing on bug space.Both sides were colonists. The murder of their rivals on the planet might make sense, but no reason to escalate and launch WMDs at Earth
In Starship Troopers, civilians are not required to have a license to have children; rather, the system in which citizenship and the right to vote are granted after military service is the social and political context that shapes society, making military service an equivalent to earning one's "citizenship" and associated rights, which may have influenced population control but doesn't directly restrict the right to procreate. Citizenship and Military Service The concept of citizenship is central to the world of Starship Troopers. In this society, only those who have served in the military, performed federal service, or achieved citizenship through other means are granted the full rights of citizenship, which includes the right to vote. This tiered system of citizenship and service means that military service is a crucial rite of passage for becoming a full member of society. No Direct Restriction on Childbirth There is no direct evidence in the source material that civilians need a "license" to have children. The requirement to serve is for the privileges of citizenship, not for the ability to procreate. Societal Context The society in Starship Troopers is depicted as highly militarized and focused on societal contribution through service. While the military's role in shaping a citizen's rights is significant, it does not directly control family planning or childbirth for non-military citizens. Instead, the military service itself is portrayed as a path to earned respect and societal standing, which indirectly benefits those who serve.
>>215107424gotcha fren
>>215107461sounds like the Biden administration
I saw one youtuber say Starship Troopers is not fascist like it was some deep insight. I'm sitting there like yeah its a parody of it you fucking retard.
>>215107890I don’t need to copeI won
>>215108252>the Biden administrationCorrect, but their "fascism" is good because it focuses on attacking and destroying its own people, and not defending them from external threats.
>>215107424because thinking the life of an insect has less valor than a human life is speciesist, which by definition is one of the many faces of oppression that needs to be recognized and fought in the name of justice and equity
It’s not fascist it’s a critique of neo liberalism and calling it fascist for shits and giggles.
>>215108532*valor = valuepardon my esl ass
>>215107424The movie makes perfect sense once you realize bugs are goyim.
i thought it was utopian desu
>>215108577because jews are the real nazisNetanyahu = Hitler
>>215108470Lmao, you've got two years left IF EVEN THAT.
>>215108664everyone hates trannies and niggers
watching it right now. its totally nectar
>>215107613The bugs are dumb and far away but also a threat and smart enough to shoot a asteroid from the other side of the galaxy.
i want to bone johnny ricos mother
>>215108518>but their "fascism" is good because it focuses on attacking and destroying its own peopleYeah that's it right there.
>>215108252You ignoring ICE stomping on The Constitution? Lol ...
>>215108518You mean like what ICE is doing..? holy projection you guys are sheep
>>215107424Everything is clean and people do their jobs and have to contribute to society in order to benefit from it, and they join together to fight a common threat.
>>215107424None whites are bugs
>>215109010Fuck off Rabbi.
>>215108518>>215108952They find "the other" in their own brother and kill him.
>>215109024
>>215108988Yeah I don't think illegals should be here.They need to be deported.
>>215108966Yeah I don't care.They have to go.The illegals didn't give a shit about our constitution or the traitors that let these people through the gates.Exceptional times. Exceptional measures.
>>215108966>>215108988Brownies aren’t people
>>215108696And they'll replace your government really quick, so you'll hate them more LMAO
>>215107424it's not, stop bringing politics into absolutely everything and for once just enjoy the ride
>>215109205The low rideThanks I wasn't feeling the doxx
>>215107424Fascist Italy tried to look tough by draining swamps and launching a militarized campaign against mosquitoes. Posters literally showed soldiers fighting mosquitoes, because Mussolini needed “victories” wherever he could find them. Italy was too pathetic to win real wars (they got humiliated in Ethiopia and had to be bailed out by Hitler in WWII), so the regime staged a fake one against bugs. The joke is that fascism always needs an enemy, even insects, because the spectacle of extermination matters more than actual victory.
>>215109176good you need to be hated more
>>215107424The murder bugs were just poor misunderstood immigrants who would have diversified and strengthened the humans society.
>>215109270Your hate is meaningless when you don't have the balls to do anything about it but jerk off to Casper Van Diem thinking you're a badass, fatty
>>215107424Supposedly the novel is.
>>215108988ICE isn't attacking Americans.
>>215108988the people who need to be afraid of ICE are not legal americans, i don't see the problemliterally just have any basic document proving you're an American, it's not hard
>>215107424It's not fascism and people are too stupid to understand what the word actually means.>The military is voluntary and you can leave the military at any time>Religious freedom where the Mormons ignored the government to set up a colony. >The news actually tells the truth without government intervention on censorship.>The military leadership actually takes responsibility.>The government has no influence on education. The most they can do is have a recruiter in front of the school. >You can openly criticize the government and military on national TV.>You can own businesses without government intervention, as shown by Rico's father.>>215107461>"war against a faceless "other"">Humans literally defending their own lives because the bugs won't stop throwing asteroids at them all because the Mormons landed on a planet they didn't know was inhabited by the bugs. https://youtu.be/kVpYvV0O7uI?si=ZrT2WPgjMxRmB1-Z
>>215107424Uniforms, I guess.
>>215108988Illegal immigrants are external threats. They are breaking the law by virtue of simply crossing into the country.
>>215107461>Fascism is when the military does stuff!Back to r*ddit
>>215107680>Worrying about physics in a movie where bugs shoot plasma into orbit
>>215107713Like Robocop would you really support cops if they SHOOT the wholesome drug dealeronis?
>>215107857>We could have Total War: Medieval 3 and it would look like thisThanks troon hammer!
>>215107857>The war was with a species capable of destroying human cities via asteroid / meteor attacks.I bet you fall for false flags so fucking easily irl
>>215110213When the military is the state and the economy.
>>215109523It's really not thoughbeit. I read it way before the movie. Heinlein was a complicated man which is why he got called a fascist. Never mind the hippies that worshipped him and camped outside his property after Stranger In A Strange Land or his other book where his character gets a body transplant from man to woman and becomes a huge slut and fucks their best male friend.
>>215110314>I bet you fall for false flags so fucking easily irlThe director literally said that the asteroid was sent by the bugs. And you clearly forgot what happened in the movie, because the bugs keep sending asteroids at Earth after the first one.
>>215110392>The director literally said that the asteroid was sent by the bugsWho cares what the director said it's based off the book
>>215109267>The joke is that fascism always needs an enemyEvery political ideology needs an enemy.
>>215110443The bugs were also a threat in the books.
>>215110381Most men would be the biggest sluts if that happened to them so it makes sense.
>>215107461>Fascism is when votingInteresting
>>215107461Not everyone deserves the right to vote.
>>215108988No, ICE is actually PROTECTING the American citizen by finding, arresting, and deporting ILLEGAL ALIENS that ILLEGALY infiltrated our nation.Idiot.
>>215109095>Exceptional times. Exceptional measures.There is NOTHING "exceptional" about nations finding, arresting, and deporting illegal aliens. Pretty much EVERY single nation worth a fuck on the planet does it, and the U.S. should be no exception to that fact.There are legal ways to become a citizen, and if you don't want to follow them, then you should be sent back to the shithole you came from immediately.
>>215109267>The joke is that fascism always needs an enemyKind of like how U.S. democrats, and their global Marxist overlords, create enemies out of "racists", "nazi's", "homophobes", "transphobes", "xenophobes", and "anti-semites".
>>215110210>Illegal immigrants are external threats. They are breaking the law by virtue of simply crossing into the countryThey're internal threats.1. Criminal elements that attack and rob citizens.2. Undercut the value of labor because a lot of them are just here to send money home and will work for wages citizens can't afford to live on.3. Decrease the availability of unskilled labor for citizens.4. Increase the cost of living by creating an artificial competition for housing.5. Increase the cost of healthcare by creating an artificial competition for access.6. Increase the cost of healthcare by getting treatment citizen tax dollars are used to pay.7. Increase the cost of living for all in the area due to creating an artificially high level of competition for food, shelter, utilities, and education.8. Actively compete against citizens in favor of their own race and culture.Illegal aliens should be identified, arrested, deported, and those that aid and abet them should be held criminally culpable.
>>215110314How many shots and boosters are you up to now, pumpkin?
>>215107461I sure do hate when functioning civilizations protect their own interests
>>215113010imagine bootlicking volunteer police made up of proud boys and kkk boomers
>>215113111Ok but they're not fascists because they don't call it that ok
>>215110314For the last time, it wasn't a falseflag. Do you know why the bugs could launch an asteroid over millions of light years directly onto Earth? Because it's a B-movie plot that doesn't busy itself with being scientifically accurate.If you started questioning the whole movie the way you question the Buenos Aires attack, you could make 50% of the movie sound like some kind of intentional contradiction that is a subtle message by the writer.Analyzing a movie at such an autistic level (like seeing a misalignment between velocity and distance vectors and claiming it's actually an important plot point) can make the majority of fiction fall apart. If you want sci-fi in which all these ideas make perfect sense all the time you're limited to reading Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars trilogy, because that's the only SF work I can think of that pays that much autistic attention to vectors and distances and scientific logic at all times. The asteroid attack isn't some 1000iq secret message about fascism or falseflags, it's just the story not bothering to make its plot completely scientifically sound.That's not even going into the fact that VERHOVEN HIMSELF said plainly the bugs launched the attack and he doesn't understand why there's even a discussion regarding who did it. Imagine if you made Scary Bugs XVII: The Return of Sneed and wanted it to be a fun flick and at one point Sneed threw a turd from the moon to the sun, and retards online started claiming that the turd's velocity indicates it's actually a fake turd launched by secret fascists or something.
>>215113246What are the leftist arguments against this?
>>215110443"Who cares what the director of the movie thinks regarding the movie we're talking about"? Not to mention, the bugs in the books are also the aggressors.
>>215113246>They're internal threats.No. They're not from the country they're in. That is why they're external threats coming into the country. >Illegal aliens should be identified, arrested, deported, and those that aid and abet them should be held criminally culpable.I agree.
>>215113559wypipo baaaad
>>215113528Because you can't be a heckin wholesome comrade chungus and have even an incidental appreciation for fash-coded entertainment media. You'll lose r*dditgold.
>>215113559Consumerism, unironically.
>>215113725What, you don't like ethnic food?
>>215107424That repeated phrase is perhaps the film's greatest spin on the text. The phrase, "Would you like to know more" is nowhere in Heinlein. It's entirely Verhoeven and Neumeier. It's both a way to distance oneself from the action and to invite curiosity from an audience who's never been curious. For people who don't know, but they've been told. "In the newsreels, the question 'would you like to know more?' begs the question 'do you want this type of society?' Do you want to dive even further into this system that already exists in America?"
>>215107424"It's true that fascism isn't dead and that it remains present in several countries around the world but that isn't what this film is about! When you see the topics that I raised using the Federation's newsreels I'm pointing out disfunction within the current American regime. For example, how easy it is to purchase a weapon despite gun control being in effect, or the judiciary system, which has only accelerated the process of sending people to death row in the electric chair."
Poetry.
