Now that the dust has settled, what's the verdict?
>>215111432Wait for Gen alpha to becoming young adults.They will talk about it endlessly like it was "misunderstood".
7 is awful8 has moments9 is baffling but has great cinematography
>>2151114327>9>89 had some gorgeous shots
>>2151114327 is a rehash but fine. 8 has some really good moments but needed a fucking editor. 9 is pure slop for pigs who wanted their reddit trough.
>>215111432I’d say one of the biggest issue with them is just the sheer lack of originality. The plots are mostly retreads of the OT, a lot of the designs are basically just minor changes to exisiting designs, the planets are mostly retreads of what’s already been seen and there just isn’t really any lore which doesn’t really work when it’s a sequel trilogy whereas the OT was able to just dunk you into the world. Pic related was probably my favourite design from them.
>>2151114328 is far too good to be a Star wars film. The other two are huge pieces of shit. 9 is possibly the worst film ever made.
>>215111432Kylo Ren was a based character but aside from that they are embarassing corporate movies. They feel designed by market researchers instead of like they're anybody's vision.
>>215111454they wont because they dont give two shits about star wars
>>215113525>they wont because they dont give two shits about star warsBased, me neither
>>215111432Trash which somehow managed to get even worse on a second viewing which I had to do because I am investigating something that these movies may have included.
7 played it too safe and could of done a better job at setting up the state of the universe post episode 6 but otherwise was a perfectly fine adventure movie with some nice emotional beats here and there. 8 tried to tackle some interesting themes, and the Luke stuff was pretty good imo, but it felt overstuffed, it tried doing too many things at once, there is a lot of stuff in it that felt unnecessary, also it totally derailed Finns arc. 9 is a cluster fuck that felt like it was actively undoing 8, it's main highlights are the dynamic between the main trio and the Han scene.
>>215111454I don't think this will be the case. People analogize it to how boomers had a foaming seething hatred but then people came around to appreciate them despite/because of their goofiness and flaws. But it's simply not a similar situation.The prequels still had a unified vision and cohesive storyline. They were still by the creator of star wars. And they still did their own thing instead of being nothing but shitty rehashes with zero inspiration or creative spark. The sequels are design-by-committee corpo-slop. But even that, they still fucked up, because they couldn't even have a thought-out plotline for the trilogy. It's utterly insane how that was even allowed to happen.But even if we be super-charitable and ONLY look at TFA and not the clusterfucks that are TLJ and ROS, there still won't be a wave of gen alpha nostalgia. TFA is superficially the least-offensive of the sequels, but there's still no spark there. It being a 1:1 creatively-bankrupt retread of the original star wars meant that it was designed for an audience of preexisting star wars fans. It was designed to cash-in on nostalgia for the original trilogy. It didn't built up and inspire a fanbase of young kids, it just catered to the low-IQ superficial nostalgia of the older generations who were already fans. Gen alpha didn't "grow up with" the sequels in the same way that past generations did with the original/prequel trilogies. They don't give a shit about star wars at all. The sequels were never even designed for them in the first place.
>>215111454>>215113525I have a 20 year old coworker who likes The Last Jedi
>>215114860I have a huge wart on my ass
>>215114877post pics?
>>215114445>Trash which somehow managed to get even worse on a second viewing which I had to do because I am investigating something that these movies may have included.What are you investigating?
>>215114888Here it is
>>215114832>The prequels still had a unified vision and cohesive storyline. They were still by the creator of star wars. And they still did their own thingSure, but that can only take you so far. Say what you want about the sequels but in terms of acting and cinematography they are far better than the prequels. The prequels were plagued with horrible dialogue, wooden acting, and gaudy special effects. Episode 1 feels totally unnecessary to the broader trilogy, Episode 2 is a plot hole ridden mess, and Episode 3 could have been a powerful conclusion to the trilogy if the previous two films actually built up on the story elements it tries to pay off. Not saying the Sequels don't have similar issues but I think the superficial things like the acting and visuals put it miles ahead of the prequels. I'd much prefer watching 7 and 8 over 1 and 2 any day, as flawed as they are.
Almost every single line in the PT is a quotable meme. What does the ST have? "traitor!" and "somehow palpatine returned"? And the latter shouldn't even count in ST's favor because it's lampooning how lazy and ass-pully it was.
>>215114935don't forget>they fly now?>they fly now.
>>215111432It killed the Golden goose that was Star Wars
>>215114964im not even a starwars fan and that line bothers my autism. people have been flying around since like the first movie. its a scifi universe where people have jetpacks and personal space ships and theres absolutely nothing special about imperial soldiers flying around. jesus fucking christ shut the fuckup you worthless nepobaby script writers you should all be ground up and turned into fertilizer.
>>215114935>Almost every single line in the PT is a quotable meme. They're quotable cause they suck and the delivery is bad, not because they are good. Hans death, Lukes confrontation with Kylo, and the scene with Hans ghost and Kylo are all better than anything the prequels had to offer.
>>215114910Part of the reason why the prequels ended up being seen in a more positive light is because of that corny wooden dialogue. It's seen as campy and goofy and people enjoy it. Likewise with the bad CGI, I think the march of time makes people look on that more generously as well. In the same way that people can look at old movies with really bad blue screens and special effects that are very clearly rubber props, people just learn to accept the CGII guess the point I'm trying to make is that things like acting and cinematography and special effects don't make a movie. There are a million blockbuster sloppers that have all these things checked off in spades from an objective, corporate board room perspective. But to be something that defines a generation's childhood, it needs to be more than just those technical things. It's about creativity, imagination, that sort of shit. The sequels simply don't have it. Everything is a retread or reference or pastiche of what came before. Which, again, can cater to older generations who get to have their 'memberberry moments, but it does nothing to draw in and inspire the younger kids.Gen alpha simply won't give a shit about star wars, period. The sequels were never designed for or marketed toward them.
>>215111432Rise of Skywalker is absolutely, objectively, most definitely a terrible movie. There are NO positive traits to it and you can only enjoy it if you quite literally unplug the rational side of your brain and are a star wars fanboy bedridden sick with consumerism type A. It's baffling how a franchise so big and with so many people involved on so many levels, that's the story they came up with and it made it past the writer's room. Bad story, bad performances, bad set pieces, forgettable characters and a final scene devoid of any logic or nuance.
>>215111432Shouldn't have had any of the old cast. They just were like old people, not the characters anymore.Should have been set 200 years later.
>>215115083>writer's roomThis is why.This trash leads to people agreeing with things that none of them personally want. Like when you end up going to a restaurant that everyone hates.Individual writer, perhaps with help in specific sections, is the only way to make kino.
>>215115070>Part of the reason why the prequels ended up being seen in a more positive light is because of that corny wooden dialogue. It's seen as campy and goofy and people enjoy it. Likewise with the bad CGI, I think the march of time makes people look on that more generously as well. In the same way that people can look at old movies with really bad blue screens and special effects that are very clearly rubber props, people just learn to accept the CGIFair point I suppose, I guess to me though they seem less like the products of the technology of the time and more like the result of the directors excess. As for the dialogue, I can get enjoying it in an ironic way, but i've seen people genuinely claim that the dialogue is shakespearean and that people just didn't get it at the time.
>>215111432>I have at long last become Star Wars Episode IX — The Rise of Skywalker>Now watch me barbecue this fucking wookie
>>215115083ep9 was the logical conclusion to disney's clusterfuck production of the sequel trilogy. It really defies all belief. You set out from the very beginning, after buying SW from Lucas, to do a sequel trilogy. The intention was always a trilogy of movies. And yet NOTHING was storyboarded. There was no unified script-writing or directing for the trilogy as a whole. Any mouth-drooling retard can recognize that the logical thing to do would be to plan out the main overarching story first. And yet this was not done. Instead you had JewJew just do his empty fluff mystery box shit in the first, then Rhiannon just saying "fuck this shit" when he's handed free rein to do whatever he wants because there was no trilogy plotline to stick to anyway, and then all the aborted attempts with ROS leading to JewJew taking back over and just saying "fuck it, give em sheev"The whole thing is basically like one of those improv skit shows where someone starts telling a story, passes it along to someone else who then starts going off in another direction, then passing it off again and the story once again veers off, and it's just a nonsensical mess.
>>215111432>7pretty much a lukewarm reboot that is just a repeat of 4 but without the charm, any potential positivies about it have been ruined by the next two movies being even bigger shitshows>8by far the most destructive star wars movie to date, its entire story is either extremely retarded or outright goes agaisnt what star wars is supposed to be, the only people who like it are giga nitwits who think doing the opposite of something is le good regardless of how its actually handled, time has pretty much proven its what effectively killed the brand since any piece of star wars media after it has noticably dipped in potential popularity>9pretty much Disney seeing the rotting corpse they created and realizing they needed to fix it, but they don't have the time or talent to actually fix it so instead they did the equivlant of a really shitty make up job on it, parading it around saying the franchise is totally still alive, and everybody knows its a lie but the entire scenario is so morbid that it goes back around to being entertaining in a its so shit way>overallbiggest proof that regardless of how big a franchise is, if you place enough giga retards in charge of it said franchise will crash and brun into irrelvancy
>>215115148Don't get me wrong. The prequels have a ton of problems and nonsensical bullshit. The point I'm making is that even beyond all the issues with Lucas not being kept in check, the wooden characters, the bad dialogue, the over-indulgence of unnecessary CGI, the nonsensical plotlines, there was still some hard-to-define characteristic that those movies had, as a result of being a single man's vision brought to the screen, for better or worse. They had passion and creativity and they actually EXPANDED the star wars universe with new worlds, new factions, new history, and so on. The prequels are like that comfort-food game you like to play that's not a 10/10 game-of-the-year masterpiece, that's full of flaws and huge problems, but something about it is still comforting to play. The sequels are more like a generic AAA slop that EA shat out to ride off whatever the trend of the moment is. Some completely forgettable derivative drivel that nobody will remember or bother replaying a couple years later.
>>215111432Everyone could not stop talking about The Last Jedi and how much it blew chunks but it seems like people just kind of glazed over this one.I don't know why. This one is worse. Probably a thousand times worse.This is a real film that actually exists.It's actually a Star Wars film, produced by Lucasfilm.It actually has the Star Wars title crawl at the beginning.Talking about this film turns me into The Nostalgia Critic, where I get overly animated and angry about basic details that don't really matter and act like the people that wrote this film have to be mentally disabled or smoking crack, except all of it is true.I can't remember very much about it. Probably for a few reasons.1. I was emotionally checked out going into it. I basically just wanted to see how JJ Abrams was going to salvage this2. The film was very confusing, it was confusing because it made no sense3. The film was incredibly fast paced. Probably because they didn't want you to focus on anything that was going onEmperor Palatine is still alive, and he grows Star Destroyers in the ground with force power.They assemble a group of 20 people that they just met to take over a Star Destroyer and ride a horse on the hull.Emperor Palpatine on the poster is a plastic toy.The film is called 'Rise of Skywalker' because she decides that her last name was Skywalker in the last 5 minutes.I'd rewatch it, but I don't want to. Ever.
>>215115325>some hard-to-define characteristic that those movies had, as a result of being a single man's vision brought to the screenSeems like you defined it pretty nicely right there. I have no idea what the fuck Yidsney was thinking, giving every director their own movie with absolutely no oversight or communication. I think KK even went so far as to say something like "in retrospect we should have had a plan."
>>215115325>The sequels are more like a generic AAA slopIt's not just that. It's that they're very badly directed. It's surreal and strange.
>>215115216>fuck it, give em sheevBased
>>215115325The prequels have heart, even though they're stupid. They were made by a person.The sequels have no heart. They feel like AI
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>The Force Awakens is a beautifully shot and directed action movie that is content to play the hits but has just enough fresh ideas and characters to keep it from being a total hackjob rehash >The Last Jedi is absolute kino besides a kind of weak subplot on the casino planet>Rise of Skywalker is interminable dogshit. It looks pretty in some scenes I guess, but it hast one of the worst scripts EVER put to screen, feels like AI wrote it based on reddit and 4chan criticism of the Last JediIt's sad. I really enjoyed TFA and I loved TLJ in a way I thought was impossible after the dogshit prequels made me give up on Star Wars, butt Rise of Skywalker killed all of that enthusiasm I once had. I have absolutely zero interest in a Rey Palpatine Skywalker movie or anything else Disney will put out now that Andor is over
>>215115346the reason people glazed over it is because TLJ pretty much made everybody just stop caring about star wars, its like caring about a city getting nuked after it was already carpet bombed to dust, yeah getting nuked it worse but there was pretty much nothing left to care about to raise a fuss over it
>>215115368It's so stupid it's hard to wrap my brain around. It was planned as a trilogy from the start, and yet they just forgot to storyboard out an overarching narrative for the trilogy? For their multi-billion-dollar trilogy of blockbuster movies for the biggest movie franchise of all time? It goes beyond incompetence. That's the sort of incompetence you have to go out of your way to achieve, because it's just such an obvious no-brainer thing to do. But at the same time I can't think of any reason why they would just decide to go full throttle with a SW trilogy without any gameplan whatsoever and just letting every random director do whatever the fuck they want like it's improv. Even looking at it from some cynical corporate perspective, I can't think of a reason to do this. It has to have been on purpose, but for what purpose? The more you think about it the more insane it is.
>>215115346I feel like there might have been a different vision for TROS but the mixed reaction to TLJ led Disney to pivoting into a much more lazy movie and hoping that familiar things and cool moments would carry it along.
>>215115429>The sequels have no heart. They feel like AIThe chief criticism of the Last Jedi is "my childhood hero had a crisis of faith, why isn't he doing epic ninja flips and murdering bad guys with his laser sword?You REALLY think a movie that controversial is "made by AI"? I bet you LOVE pic related tho, you soulless cretin
>>215115474If you can recognize all the reasons TROS is bad but still think TLJ is good, I have no fucking clue what your standards are for movies. TLJ suffers from almost all of the same problems (in different ways/degrees) plus has its own. There is no defense you can give that doesn't boil down to something like "muh subversion" or "muh good ideas" or "muh cinematography."
>>215115536The Last Jedi is a confident movie about real ideas and themes. it just upset manbaby franchise consoomers who never loved the heart of soul of star wars, they worshipped the brand - they liked buying toys, eating the cereal, and fantasizing about being the biggest, toughest kid on the playground who murdered all their bullies with a lightsaber. They hate it because they can't emotionally navigate Luke Skywalker having a crisis of faith rather than any actual problems with the movie as a film. "muh childhood hero wouldn't do that" isn't actual film criticism, no matter how hard you kick and scream about it. The Rise of Skywalker is a total mess of a movie that has no consistent ideas or themes because it doesn't believe in anything - it's a reactionary movie that is desperately terrified of its own audience, and is so busy trying to "fix" the last movie that it destroys itself in the process. Scenes do not follow from each other, characters and ideas are brought up in one scene then dropped in the next, there is a literal computer generated zombie of Princess Leia walking around because the movie didn't believe in itself or the audience to be capable of dealing with Carrie Fisher's death. You really don't see any difference between these two movies?
>>215115503>You REALLY think a movie that controversial is "made by AI"? IActually the Last Jedi is the exception. It was terrible but felt like a person wrote it. The other two are the AI ones.
I hated the presence of Luke, Leia, and HanWorn out characters, fucking sick of them. They never should have been there.
>>215114902I would tell you but honestly I'm not sure I believe what I've found yet, or that I want to tell anyone right now. But I can tell you what I'm finding is in so many different medias going all the way back to the mid 1900s, with slight variations. The first movie of this sequel trilogy has an instance, but I haven't gotten around to the other two yet.
