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film adaptation when?
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>>215111593
>maybe if I post the /lit/ meme on a board that people actually post on it might gain some traction
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>>215112160
I'm pretty sure this book is already quite popular among women
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>>215111593
>a while niche genre of monsterfucking women
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>>215112519
>niche
most women that read are reading stuff like this
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>>215112519
>niche

oh boyyy
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And yet people have the balls to ask me not to hate women
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>>215112660
Humie bois can't compete.
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Reminder that there was a con regarding this romantasy subgenre and in that "meet-and-greet" the book authors that attended were sexually molested, a guy that dressed as a monster was legit raped, and tons of women were gropped.

By other women...
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>>215111593
>who is Pasiphaë
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>>215111593
at least the bull is white
>monsterbait
lmao
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>>215112742
Tell me that was made by AI.
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I have read 2 of these monster romantasy books (both by the same author) and they were genuinely fucking terrific.
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>>215112742
>>215111593
>>215112499
I need passages from these books, now!
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>>215112519
Ooo you have no idea how women actually are. They are depraved little psychos.
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>>215112519
You have no clue man. It's #1 on the "Fantasy Erotica" chart of Amazon right now, with 21k reviews. TONS of women love it.
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can someone explain women to me? i dont get them
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>>215112766
You mean to say that femcels are more dangerous
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>>215112991
fear and panic makes you feel more horny, it's simple as that but many of them are in denial about it so they say they read that kind of thing to "cope with abuse" or some other sad excuse rather than just say they find it hot.
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>>215112640
>this is ok
>but I'm the weirdo for wanting to fuck Diane Foxington
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>>215112991
women are schizo coomers.
the real reason religions preach purity and chastity for them is because ancient people experienced what we are currently going through.
"opening pandora's box" is also a sexual euphemism.
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>>215112991
Two groups fight. Strongest side wins and wins all the women. The women who don't submit are killed. The women who do submit pass their disloyal genes on. Multiply by thousands of years, and you get modern women who have it literally bred into them to be dominated, but are now raised in a feminist environment that tells them masculine men bad.

Tldr women just want to be dominated (and cherished) and have found an unhealthy outlet to vent their stunted desires.
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reminder women are reading this stuff while falsely accusing you of impropriety

call them out on it every day
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>>215113271
>>215113077
>women have a hobby
>how can I twist them into making myself the victim
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>>215113324
>woman on her headphones listening to the most vile niggerish thug rap
>reading monster rape novels
>going around falsely accusing normal men of impropriety
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>>215113199
sounds like incel armchair evolutionary psychology. i'd rather trust the opinions of people with phd's in womens studies and blame it on the patriarchy tyvm
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>>215113365
>women minding their own business oblivious to my existence and the fact that I hate them
>better write some fanfiction in my head where this somehow oppresses me
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>>215113077
>this is ok
According to who.
>but I'm the weirdo for wanting to fuck Diane Foxington
Again, according to who. Nevermind the femcoomers you're trying to make yourself a victim in an unrelated situation, absolute woman behaviour.
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it was surreal the first time i heard a girl essentially call her co-workers normalfags for reading vanilla smut instead of darker degen stuff
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>>215113324
hes talking about women having rape fantasies, not having hobbies, not sure why you brought up hobbies, this is a thread about women's rape fantasies. maybe you need to up your seroquel dosage becky.
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>>215113458
reading books is a hobby. you're becoming hysterical.
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>>215113399
>be a ordinary man minding your own business
>woman gives you the accusatory *look* and starts kicking up a fuss about you creeping
>while you are not even noticing her at all
>while she listens to the most disgusting rap music she can find
>and her copy of minotaur gangbang drops out of her purse
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>>215113471
they're "reading" fetish porn, they're not reading classic literature, you wouldn't say a guy watching porn is a "hobby"
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>>215113458
Reading literotica is by definition a hobby.
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>>215113324
>>215113471
Why do you incels slut shame women for having fantasies
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>>215113381
This is just like my doujins...
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>>215113503
anon stop false-flagging as a reddit mod
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>>215113502
so gooning to porn is as much of a hobby as watching classic films and documentaries? cooming to hentai is the same as reading a classic novel? quit being dishonest for the sake of winning a contrarian argument about people being too "chuddy" so you can appear to be more mature on 4cuck.
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>>215113497
AO3 is that way
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>>215113513
Fuck off with your manosphere lingo. nobody knows wtf you're talking about
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>>215113324
reading about sex is not a hobby
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>>215113543
yeah, it is.
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>>215113537
>>215113513
you are using retarded lingo yourself tranny
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>>215113517
>so gooning to porn is as much of a hobby as watching classic films and documentaries?
Yes.
>cooming to hentai is the same as reading a classic novel?
As far as being a hobby, yes. What do you think a "hobby" is? Do you think it needs to be something "fancy", "respectful" or what?
If you do something for fun in your free time it's literally a hobby, you retard. Yes, even browsing 4chan is a hobby if you like it and do it on your free time.
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>>215113565
>>215113513
Are these "trannies" and "reddit mods" in the room with us right now, incel?
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>>215113550
no its not, you are coping because you have no sex life, just like how men watch porn. It's not inherently more pure because you read about it.
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>>215113517
women rationalize it as just reading (they also log it on their goodreads), they don't care about specifics as long as they can have the optics.
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>>215112991
We have created civilizations, technology, and all of these sorts of marvels and we say among ourselves "ahh we are free of our animal nature!" While that's somewhat true, we are still very tied to it and it affects us in a variety of ways. Arguably a lot of our achievements arise specifically because of our biological impulses.

But the male impulse is like a dog on a leash. The female impulse is like an elephant. They are entirely at the mercy of their biological imperative which commands them to find the most dominant male who usually has a characteristic of deterrence associated with him (women don't necessarily like fighters so much as they like men who appear to intimidate other men without trying). Women react to being intimidated and being made to feel submissive.

They are also the testers of the species and will constantly engage in a resource maximizing algorithm that commands a male to provide greater and greater resources to her until he dies or breaks down in the process. A male that can successfully shut this down and keep her in line, that is, make her feel submissive is attractive, but she will ALWAYS test. Women do this as naturally as a fish swims in the water. They have infinite energy functionally for carrying out this task.

They will find your weakness if you have one and they may even activate each other to work collectively to find your weakness. It is all a quest to be bred by the most powerful male and they have almost no control over this which drives them insane and it's where the whole "I WAS RAPED!" thing comes from when they regret having sex with a guy who simply got their biology working and the woman didn't feel she had any control over the elephant until a period of time later in a less aroused emotional state. It's all a big clusterfuck that biology, God, or whatever set us all up for to deal with in perpetuity.
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>>215113581
>incel
i have kids unlike you will ever do.
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reminder the posters that fanatically defend wamen are always trannies
because they "identify" as women. They are always getting offended by stuff most women dont even get offended by and getting triggered and sperging out
they have zero clue on women and men social dynamics either.
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>>215113594
you are literally hysterical right now lol. reading smut is a hobby whether you like it or not.
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>>215113618
Try typing that again in English, ESL.
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>>215111593
jerking off to word books
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what about the opposite tho
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>>215113581
i don't know why women think being a virgin is bad, you like degenerate men fucking prostitutes on a daily basis? does that make those men better? virgin men can be just as women hating as men with who had sex, i never understood this
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>>215113635
>unnecessary comma
Amateurs should be banned from making memes.
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>>215113635
okay then men gooning on pornhub is a hobby too by your logic, they are just watching content right?
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>>215113667
that's an unrealistic fantasy, you can't expect real women to compete with a beast that actually shows you love
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>>215113618
you're an angry incel who hates women. you're not fooling anyone
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>>215113667
I was gonna post screenshots of my tauren hunter
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>>215113719
lmao if only you knew how wrong you are retarded tranny
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>>215113701
It is something you do for fun in your free time. Literally a hobby, yes.
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>>215113701
yes
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>>215112991
They're just as horny as men. They also don't like admitting it, but the idea of being forcibly taken excites them on a primal level. He was so enthralled by my presence he simply had to have me? He couldn't control himself because I attracted him that much? They get off on that, that they're so desirable a man will just take them by force. It sounds stupid, but its there. That's not to say you should go out and rape the first woman you find attractive. However, deep down inside that mind of hers there is a part that, in a certain scenario, she would be gushing. The trick is learning to identify when she actually wants you to be the beast
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>>215113756
>>215113764
"fun"
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>>215113784
Are you saying that fapping to porn isn't pleasurable or fun to you? What is it then, does it cause you pain? Why do it then?
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>>215113781
>identify when she actually wants
who cares what she wants? she's prey.
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>>215112160
Shoe0nhead just made a video about this
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>>215111593
A girl who reads this shit lectured me on how Dune is problematic
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>>215113756
just so you know there are women who think this gooning shit is disgusting but i guess they would be called pickmes i don't know.Women are not allowed to have opinions that are slightly right/conservative, that's against the rules.
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>>215113755
>TRANNY TRANNY TRANNY
you chuds are obsessed
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>>215113795
physical pleasure is not about having fun, it's like saying you have fun when you eat, it's just something you do for pleasure
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I’m going to piss on my wife’s tits (and she even promised she’d lick her piss covered tits although I’ll believe it when I see it) on Friday AMA.
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>>215113826
>chuds
don't pretend otherwise xister
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>>215113845
food can be a hobby. eating isn't inherently a hobby because if you don't do it you'll die. I think you've like actually lost your mind
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>>215113845
fat retard
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>>215113886
you said masturbing is fun you fucking retard and i explained in a very easy way to you is just about pleasure, you are coping and seething about being called out on your gooning shit.
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>>215113873
>xister
anon stop false-flagging as a reddit mod
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>>215113868
Its going to seem fun in the moment. But then once its over and you're having to do cleanup you'll regret it. Or maybe you wont because you're both nasty fucks. Either way, make sure you don't slip
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>>215113886
>>215113919
kys you ugly dysgenic who you stink
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>>215113821
>implying I don't know
Their opinions on this are simply irrelevant.
>>215113845
>it's just something you do for pleasure
In your free leisure time? So, a hobby. See the literal definition >>215113578
Also you need to eat or you get weak and die. The same doesn't happen if you stop beating your meat. A bodily need vs something you do because you want to.
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>>215112742
>"Itog!" Grog grunted, pointing a swollen, 8-inch green finger at the torn skirt of Bellea.
>Bellea recoiled a little, confused. This orc had just effortlessly torn her skirt first from her hiding place, with the same ease and strength her father used to toss her around with when she was a wee, undeveloped lass. Before he had disappeared from her life on her 8th birthday, taken in chains by the men of Kuckland to go fight their pitiable war against the orcs.
>"I-Itog...?" Bellea huffed back, her frightened voice airy and unconfident.
>Grog nodded his head moving his finger and pointing at her ample chest. Bellea looked down, and saw her thin lacy shirt had also torn asunder in the struggle, exposing her straining black leather corset barely able to hold in her silken pale mounds. The orc's hot breathe blew over them, and despite the heat of it she shivered, feeling herself perk as though suddenly stepping out in a cold winters night. And worst, she felt the shameful long denied heat begin to kindle below her ruined skirts.
>"Zog tog!" Grog grunted, his thick powerful candy apple green lips curling up with cruel satisfaction. His finger dared forward, touching the leather of Bellea's corset, eliciting a squeak from both the material and her young virginal throat.
>"N-no zog tog!" she cried back meekly but defiant, trying to turn away.
>But the orc was fast. Fast and powerful. He had proven that when he had wrested her gasping and wiggling out of her hiding place. Grog grabbed her by a shoulder and spun her back to face his robust form, but there was a surprising gentleness in it, like a caring owner helping their confused, lost puppy dog in out of the rain. Her instinct to resist him wavered.
>"Urr?" he growled, again rubbing the outline of her barely contained womanhood through the thin corset. "Ur ur ur!"
>"Ur?" She raised her eyes to meet his, and now noticed how bright and blue they were. Like sapphires.
>The orc nodded, dropping his tiny loincloth.
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>>215113886
>>215113919
you will reach 40s and regret all your life choises you eggless cunts, but it will be too late
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>>215113845
>>215113932
>it's not fun it's just [synonym of fun]
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>>215113966
gooning is not a hobby your porn is gross and you do it because you can't have a working relationship in your life. It's a giant cope for losers and that's all it will ever be.
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hang on, I was told by several credible authorities on the subject that the sexual consent form acts as a biological signal that the man is kind and caring and respectful of her personal boundaries and this act elicits arousal from the female and triggers the release of natural lubrication in preparation for coitus
was I mislead?
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>>215113957
you think eating is just for pleasure you are fat
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>>215114002
>i read books when i get fucked by a giant minotaur for fun
lmao kys
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>>215113986
ok, fatty
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>>215111593
There's a book I saw in a list of wild romance novel covers called "to wed a centaur king" it's impossible to find
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Fuck it and going to write a book. If shit like this gets published i think i can get published.
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>>215114020
so when you eat you don't feel pleasure from the food you taste? lard fatties eat without truly feeling pleasure in the food because they eat too much.
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>>215114039
fat bitches are hotter than you i bet, how much you weight btw?
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>>215114008
>so there's this thing someone does on their free time
>I'm following
>they do if for pleasure
>sounds about right
>hobbies are things people do in their leisure time for pleasure
>checks out
>so that thing is or can be considered, a hobby
>nuh I think it's gross so it isn't
It's like trying to talk to a bitchy woman
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>>215114029
>when i get fucked by a giant minotaur
damn wtf giant minotaurs are real? are there female ones too?
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The cruellest part of sexuality is a high % of males are submissive but dominant women basically don't exist. Even if you get your gf to sit on your face or whatever, she's only doing it begrudgingly, which defeats the whole point.

Smut is the nail in the coffin. The more sexually liberated women become, the more violently submissive their fantasies are. If you were unlucky enough to be miswired it's fucking over.
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>>215113613
Good post
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i can't believe fags trying to pass porn as a hobby
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>>215111593
>>215112742
there seems to be two types of female preference
that are completely opposite of one another
can someone explain
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>>215114065
>>215114089
if you eat for pleasure you are a fatso. Stop fat splaining you spergy obese retard.
No more mental gymnastics, because you cant do real gymnastics
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>>215111593
I already optioned to screenplay with that name, but it's supposed to star. Christina Hendricks, Bryce Dallas Howard, and Kat Dennings.
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>>215114148
Humans are a social species
High social status >>> everything else
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>>215114148
women never fuck the ones on the right
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>>215114149
i am not even fat but i love how you are using jewish tactics to try to spin your porn addiction as normal while i just barely compared the act of masturbation, that you do when you feel horny, to the act of eating that you do when you are hungry. Both can be done to the extreme, with the expection that as some other faggot said, you can masturbation you can't avoid eating forever.
But the basis is the same, yet you are sperging like this lmao
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>>215114149
So you eat exclusively for living, nothing more, nothing less? Don't cook your food? No favorite foods? Never go out with friends or whatever and pick a nice restaurant to eat at?
That's sad. People even in old times were willing to fight or pay for more pleasurable food('member spice trade?) meanwhile this anon here just eats sĂły shakes or whatever slop is enough to live on.
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>>215112742
lmao tusklets when will they learn
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>>215112742
It's over for us humie boys

BOC is our future
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>>215114148
Certainly! The left is what actual breedable biological females want, and the right is a troon/aznmasculinity meme.
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>>215114148
Are you somehow posting from an uncontacted tribe? Right are rich celebrities, they can provide. Left apparently can't afford clothes or grocery shopping?
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>>215114145
Give us your definition of a hobby since the one the dictionary isn't it, then.
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>>215114224
he is just angry normies don't count his furry suit as an "hobby"
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>>215114148
The ones are on the right are demons irl as well
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>>215114224
>>215114241
peak mental illness from fatties
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>>215114265
How convenient that you're now pretending societal advantages can overcome raw biological instinct and desire when you wrote five incel essays in this thread on how women are all sluts who evolved to desire rape and domination. You know who else can provide? Nerds with high paying tech jobs. Of course women are all lusting after those. Dumb fuck
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>>215113208
This except they want to put those violent men in prison/cages these days, so they can mate guard them from other women and control/visit them whenever they want.
All while moralizing against them while still fucking them
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>>215114386
ywnbaw
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>>215114296
>yes i hate furries
>how can you tell
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>>215114401
Wrong retard retard, none of those posts were me.

A nerd with a high paying tech job can easily get a gf. Obviously has nowhere near the social status of a celebrity popstar. What's your point?
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>>215111593
women are the true perverts
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>>215114535
Getting a gf doesn't mean she's attracted to you cuck.
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>>215114124
why do trannies think we want to fuck them?
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>>215111593
>so lonely a fucking pic of a god damn centour and a woman makes me yearn
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>>215114620
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>>215112991
Women recognize merit whether that be social standing, wealth, or pure hard earned muscles. A concept basement dwelling interacial gooning chudcells will never understand.
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>>215114620
>men being lonely watching anime girls tentacle rape
:(
>women being lonely watching animal men fuck their self insert
:)
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>>215114700
As it should be, the lonely men should be watching animal women fuck their self insert instead, like the women
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>>215111593
What's the issue with this? Are women not allowed to enjoy degenerate things too? I would suspect that men are behind the vast majority of furry and monster porn, just to name two genres.
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>>215114535
not gonna read another one of your essays
cry more
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It's not a coincidence that these romances have taken off and the desire for a 'golden retriever' boyfriend has skyrocketed at the same time. Woman want a guy who is big, strong, loyal beyond reason, and mentally their inferior.
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>>215114772
>Are women not allowed to enjoy degenerate things too?
They don't allow us, so they shouldn't be allowed.
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>>215114793
Cope, seethe, dilate
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How am I supposed to not rape women when they do shit like this
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>>215113781
>The trick is learning to identify when she actually wants you to be the beast

As someone who has never had a drought since puberty, I can confirm that this is wisdom. Not saying this is the case for *every single woman* but truth for plenty. Also, from experience, women with these tendencies make better mates.
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Hmm I wonder why this thread is here. Pic unrelated.
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>>215111593
i hate women so much it's unreal
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>>215112991
>>215113381
these are two male stick figures ya fucking queer
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>>215112991
A man has to understand that they lie all the fucking time about everything, first to themselves and then to you, so just better pay attention to what they do and ignore what they say because is meaningless
No woman is going to tell you they they want a dominant men deciding everything so they can be totally passive and hold no responsibility, but date a few women and that's the general state
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>>215111593
what if we gender swap it
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>>215112742
it took TWO bitches to write this slop
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>>215113497
>>215113399
you two should just fuck already, jeez
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>>215114620
i wish i could enthrall you with a smart and intriguing sounding comment. I only wish for you to indulge me for a second. Bodygame is the answer to all your social problems atm.
>Fat
Change self image/identity to lean image with muscles. Type your weight and height into a calorie calculator, eat in a deficit, high protein, carbs to buttfuck the day after your will and fats to keep them hormones balanced and functional. A gallon of water is the bare minimum as that shit will make your body run smoother and better as well as keep that pesky fake hunger aka apetite at bay. hit the gym 4 to 5 times a week and voila once youre down to 12% bodyfat and got some muscle shiiiiieeeiiiiiiiiiit, you wont post another unironic tfw me no hoes by my side comment (as long as you stay lean)
>skinnyfat/twig
Maingain, dont bulk to an ugly bloated fuck. Troy Brad Pitt is what youre aiming for. High protein, same shit as before but now you eat your whole foods calories slightly above maintanance. Again some muscle + lean and youre going to have to chase interested chicks away with a shoo stick

>inb4 nigga who is you
full disclosure been there, had a shitload of cuties want me, eyefucking me everywhere being super pleasant around me prefering me over my friends at parties even the cute sister of my homeboy was throwing herself at me (big regret not having gone for it out of bro code only i lived by). Lost it, Theoden kind of situation. Friends poisoned my perception, i valued others too much and that was my undoing. Currently back on track with even better training more muscle than before. Finna get it and you can too
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>>215113813
Why doesn't she make a JOI video?
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>>215116087
Every one of her videos is a JOI video, if you're imaginative enough
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>>215113813
>>215116087
>>215116160
yeah desu I want her to make asmr or joi videos for years
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>>215116160
I know it's intentional but I just think it's weird she doesn't have a JOI video.
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>>215116191
With the power of AI, you can just do it yourself, the technology is here.
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>>215112766
>>215113022
wait until you hear about the shit female kpop fans do. even the biggest idol obsessed guy can't compare i'm afraid.
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>>215115369
>>215113781
https://youtu.be/IN9Knn7_5JA?si=NuGG0KyxUkS-J5FD
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>>215113667
quirky human male/monster female romance is a primarily unexplored genre
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>>215113781
>just cuck and dance bro!
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>>215116556
because the power dynamic isnt as mainstream.

Monster dudes just give weird feminists an excuse to flick their bean to classical (even exaggerated) patriarchal power dynamics.
Strong, dominant, potentially violent males that dont respect female reservations.
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>>215116609
but you can have fun with the concept
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>>215116556
You have to get an audience of men who want to read it. It's very clear in your scenario that the self insert is the male. Look at it from a female point of view:
>Exotic, out of the ordinary, amazing, magical beast-girl
And then
>Jeff from IT

So unless the woman reading it fantasizes about Jeff from IT (and no insult to Jeff, I am closer to him than an exotic beast woman) what is she getting out of this? Why wouldn't she just go with Jessica from accounting and the exotic, out of the ordinary, amazing, magical beast-boy.

So your audience is male. Now, you have to convince males to want to buy and read your erotica. If you lean on the anime/manga angle (or the furry angle) you have a good chance. If not, then guys are reading less fiction nowadays and will barely be reading romance novels.
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>>215113667
There was that rule63 twilight that had an awkward dude have an elegant vampire woman and his tomboy werewolf childhood friend fight over him.
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>>215116753
I'm talking about movies for men bruv not books for fat chicks
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>>215111593
It has sold millions
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>>215116785
Tempted to give this a read
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>>215112991
the only long term relationship ive ever had was the result of sending a picture of my fucking cock to a woman from tinder, i went on to have a 5 year long relationship with this person, we literally fucked the first date, women are fucking psychopaths
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>>215116798
In that case same applies where the only hope is in anime. And in that case it's the pipeline of manga/Visual novel to anime. And the bigger threat there is the
>Why don't we just make the monstergirl uwu barely a monster rather than a big fluffy monster
developers
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>>215111593
The fuck? I thought this was some ai meme crap being posted as a joke but it's fucking real?
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>>215116898
https://youtu.be/XZ3OPifyQZ8
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>>215116896
so you just do the whole thing yourself if you're passionate enough about it
don't give your baby to strangers
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>>215111593
One of my colleagues was on “sick leave” for a few weeks. Turns out she was actually completely distraught to the point of suicidal ideation because the publisher that published her YA book series folded, and now the final book in the series won’t be published. Her book seemed to be a decent seller, getting multiple printings and being available in “real” stores. Of course, she still has a day job and the publisher went out if business so it’s probably not very lucrative, but she spent years crafting and promoting that series, taking it to conventions, etc. I feel really bad for her. She’s a completely different person since this announcement. She says self publishing is a “death sentence in the eyes of possible future publishers”, is this accurate?

I’ve read her books and although YA isn’t for me, they were alot better than I expected.
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>>215117003
I'm not familiar enough to answer on it except to speculate that a publisher wants to have control over your writing, so if you have stuff that is off reservation it might make them apprehensive of you. I googled around and found a leddit post where someone explains their take on it as a traditionally published author, and the impression I get is that if you self-publish it might pigeon hole you as amateur league.

Trad publishing is curated publishing. Self publishing is indie shit. Think about all the indie crap movies or games that come out. A reader who encounters a trad published book is like encountering a game by a big company. Nowadays they might suck but you still get a sense of knowing what you expect vs grabbing a movie you never heard of by a director you never heard of with actors you never heard of.

Another point someone else said that I can vibe with is that it depends on the genre - they say self published kids books are a death sentence. I can't speak to that, but their point of romance/erotica is that self publishing allows for more niche shit. I'm skeptical minotaur fucking is by a big publisher.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/booksblog/2015/may/14/is-the-self-publishing-stigma-fading
Suggests at one point the self published book did have a stigma. So it likely still does. But my assumption would be the self published book is what is toxic, not ANYTHING the person does.

Or just you know use a pseudonym for the self published lol



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