Do people really hate Skyler that much?
>>215165795She fucked Ted.
>>215165802Yup. Cheating whore and hypocrite
>>215165795>nooo dude a woman must support her husband doing heinous illegal crimeswow chuds are pathetic
>>215165795Ofc, Walter should have killed her and his retarded child.
>>215165828All Walter did was produce a substance that people voluntarily brought; everything else that was "bad" was done for his and his family's survival.Stop being a Drug War boot licker.
>>215165795Are these guys media illiterate or what? She's VERY supportive after she has a completely understandable freakout at the start. >but she's not as good at it as le HEISENBURG OK so?
>has to specify character is femaleWhy are incels like this...
>>215165795>the man is the one who needs steadinessAre you gay?? Do you need a dick in the butt too??
>>215165802
>>215165795>a female character It's a charactress.
>>215165795the resting bitch face didn't help
When I watched the series I came in with the expectation that she was going to be a waste of itme, a spike in the back of the characters like Jack Bauer's daughter...but oyu know what, no, they did a great job, she made a mistake with Ted, but again is not like the protagonist is a saint, it felt like a believable flaw, she supported him with finding a legit business with the car cleaning, she found the and instructed the guy to make sure they could get a good price on it, she wanted to isolate Walter because she was understandibly scared of what he was doing, so, of all the bad wives characters, I don't think she is one of them.
>>215165845The show literally portrays multiple times how drugs destroy families. The addict of a drug isn't the only one who suffers from their addiction, it's their family and their friends. Why do libertarians have the brain capacity of an edgy teenager?
>>215165795>She ruined his empireI mean he was a criminal who caused immense suffering. She should have called the police.
Early Skyler was definitely an awful character and deserved the hate.
>>215165828>nooo dude cheating on your husband with a clown who embezzles his company's money and commits tax fraud is good
>>215165976>won't someone think of the children!boot licker talking point to take away your god given rights. Might as well ban alcohol, gambling, smoking, and fast food while you're at it.
>>215165937She didn't help my mommy issues one bit only got worse after every rewatch Used to hate her but compared to actual modern women she's pretty goated
>woman doesn't want her dying husband to make meth>OH MY GAWD WOMEN HAVE SUCH HIGH STANDARDS
>>215165984Good post. I agree with what you say about Kim and although I felt the same way as you describe when I watched the show it didn't occur to me until you brought it up that Kim is in a way a redemption for Bravo Vince after his handling of Skyler a decade earlier. Skyler was a poorly handled Carmella without the complexity. Kim was something else entirely and far more nuanced than either.
>>215165795This nigga should watch The Sopranos, Carm is so much worse than Skyler.
Growing up is realizing that Walt was the bad guy of the TV show.Obviously, if you think Walt was the good guy, you'd find Skyler to be an annoying bitch. When you realize how evil Walt was, Skyler stops being so annoying.
>>215165795I don’t mind her and it’s obvious that she was a victim who didn’t deserve to be hated. At the same time she’s kind of a boring character and not very memorable. It feels like the writers had no vision for her character beyond serving as a prop to degrade and mutate in Walter’s periphery as he became a worse person.
>>215166228Carm was a good wife, the fact which Tony admitted. >Tony is sick, she cares>Tony is wounded, she cares>Tony has cops on his ass, she caresSkyler on the other hand:>On no! My husband got cancer, but he doesn't pay me much attention because he is busy providing for us so I will flirt with my coworker while I'm still pregnant and then fuck him!
>>215165976>LE HECKIN SHOWERINO LITERALLY SHOWS HOW....
>>215165802/thread
>>215165802I hated that cunt, at least Carmela Soprano was discreet with her whorish affair and knew the what she signed up for. Skylar was an unlikable shrew.
>>215165795she left a very bad first impression with the half-assed ebay handjob
>>215165976You're looking at the addicts like they're victims of circumstances beyond their control and not as self-destructive cancers who brought it on themselves. Empathy cannot be infinitely extended, especially to people who willingly destroy themselves for fleeting euphoria.
>>215165976But enough about alcohol
>>215165795>current year>still watching Breaking Trash over the superior TV kino that they clearly ripped offPic related did everything BB did but better in every way.
>>215165795>>215166533Skylar is probably the worst written character in all of media. Not only does she have more bad than good traits (which ruins immersion, because there’s no way anyone would actually marry her), but most importantly, all of her scenes are so BOOOOORING - they always ruin the pace of the series.
>>215166332Not to mention the whole>Hey family members, just gonna drown myself in the pool real quick right in front of all of you, no one try to stop me.I fugged ted was far from her only woman moment.
>>215165795I don't hate her. I just think a man deserves more than a disinterested handjob from his wife on his birthday.
>>215166257To be fair they couldn't really do much with her character that wouldn't have totally turned the show on its head. If she figured it out earlier and told Hank, the show would've been over. The only other possibility I can think of is her becoming complicit earlier and helping with the drug dealing somehow, which would honestly be unrealistic for a female character without a competitive spirit and the show needed her as a voice of reason.
>>215166585>doesn't give him real bacon on his birthday breakfast and young, healthy Walt Jr. has to eat the fake bullshit too>Skyler hosts an intervention to make Walter get treatment>Walter knows he's a dead man and wants to die with dignity>based Hank agrees with him and Skyler seethesI became more sympathetic towards Skyler when she was freaking out over Walter being a criminal but she was already colossal bitch before she even knew about anything.
Fun fact: Anna Gunn voiced Ariel in the Legacy of Kain series
>>215166718Maybe if she had been a better wife he wouldn't have become a murderous drug kingpin. I've never been married, is it really so hard to treat your spouse like a human being?
>>215165795Skyler looks like a tranny.
>>215166228You're fucking retarded
>>215166770apparently it is, I mean really. almost got married and the treatment was absurd
>>215166816This.
>>215165828That's not the argument made, it's that she lays the blame for all her own choices on Walt. It's what makes her so emblematic about what people hate about women, they expect credit and respect for things they neither earned nor accomplished, while refusing to take accountability and admit fault for their choices when those choices have consequences.Multiple times, she had the option to walk away. Multiple times she had the option not to give in to her own selfish wants that would hurt the family's future. Multiple times she had the option to make a sacrifice and she didn't. And by the end, she's reduced to making ridiculous gestures (like walking into the pool in the middle of a social gathering) as if she was a victim and not a willing participant through the entire series. She treated everyone she interacts awfully through the entire series.
friendly reminder skylar did nothing wrong
>>215166257How the fuck is she a victim when she insisted on getting involved, she knowingly and willfully spent and gave away the money Walt earned and she went ahead and participated in tax fraud, corporate fraud, money laundering, blackmail, intimidation tactics and more. People mention how she slept with Ted because of how it affected Walt, but let's put that aside and just look at how she treats Ted. Ted was clearly in love with her, while she uses him as a tool to get back at Walt. She manipulates, threatens, lies to and for him, and treats him like a child at times. And then finally hires someone to force him into doing what she wants ending with him paralyzed. She deserves to be hated because of how she treats everyone else in the show. Can you name a single character she was kind to, treated with respect or love or any other positive attribute? Because she didn't with Walt, she didn't with her son, she didn't with Hank, or Marie, or Ted, or Saul or anyone else she has an interaction with.
>>215166953We get it, you hate women.
i usually hate women, but honestly i didn't mind skyler at all. i dunno why.marie on the hand was wretched
It's a disordere related to /tv/ users. Most people understand Skyler was the sanest individual in the family
>>215165795It's all in that faggot's name. lolOnly incel contrarians see Walt as a good guy and Skyler as some kind of harpy in the wrong.
>>215165883lol, creepy
>>215165795forgot the name of this phenomenon but it has to do with it being relatable, like that one bitch from harry potter, people hated her more than the literal lord of darkness himself
>>215165976>literally portraysIsn't a portrayal a recreation?
>>215166329Skylar didn't sign up for this shit
>>215167073I don't because thankfully most women don't act like they are so often portrayed in films and shows like Breaking Bad. Most women actually put a premium on caring for others, on putting others first, and that instinct gets taken advantage of by politicians and the media to push some really dumb shit.
>>215167093When Hank got shot she was being such an entitled bitch to everyone. And the shoplifting was cringe.
why am i always the one to point out that it's strongly suggested that skylar's smoking while walter jr was in the womb is why he's all fucked up. she's objectively a bad person and frankly if walt jr wasn't a retard walt may have done what he did
>the photos that killed skyler apologists
>>215166228Carmela is supportive and a good wife despite being a terrible person. Skylar is a terrible person and a terrible wife. It’s probably because she cheated on Walt and gave the money away mostly iirc
>>215165795Well they made it clear that Skyler was the consolation prize as Walt wanted the jewess from Grey Matter the whole time.
>>215165828S1 episode 1
>>215165828stfu she objectively suckcs
>>215165828>high profile criminals can show up at the house any second>keeping your kids there instead of getting the fuck out of dodge
>>215165795Walt is the reason Skylar is such a nagging bitch to begin with.He sold away his legacy with Grey Matter and turned into a bitter weak spined bitch. Then he broke bad and became a drug dealer and murderer. Walt deserved it.
>>215165828that's exactly what she does though
>>215167120well yeah, voldemort was cool.
>>215165795Stealing 600 thousand dollars from your drug kingpin husband, who you've complained about being cagey nervous and scared for the last 4 years, to give to your tax avoiding retard manstress is the single dumbest thing any character in the show doesNot only does she face zero consequences for almost getting the entire family killed, faggots online will say she was also scared. When I'm scared you know what I don't do? I don't empty my shared bank account to pay gambling debts.
Like most things in the show, Walt's suffering is self-inflicted. He settled for Woody Harrelson in drag when he could've stayed with Gretchen and lived the good life. The moment he found out Skyler cheated with Ted, Walt should've retired to Mexico and bought himself a hot latina.
>>215165976The responsibility lies with the buyers. Gale had the correct mindset
>>215167276Kim is the only well written "strong" female in all of television
>>215165976Skyler smoked while pregnant and made her son a cripple. And then she tried to do the same thing to her daughter.
>>215165795I hated her more.
>>215167587Whomst
>>215168469you must be insecure in real life
>>215168469Why???Kim was based
>>215165802Source?
>>215168469literally the perfect woman
>>215167257Carmela cheated on Tony and stole money from him.
Jesse is a far more hateful character
>>215168469>>215168667I assume it’s because the crash out is far more severe. She’s perfect until she isn’t
>>215168469Kim was flawed but loyal. She also took accountability for her actions in the end.
>>215165828Why didn’t she report him to the police? She’s a hypocritical nagging cunt.
>>215168746Kim's crashout was justified and she actually held herself accountable
>>215165828She was shit before he even started committing crimes.
>>215165795I've just finished re-watching BB for the first time since 2013. Walt was much more unlikable than I remembered, and Jesse, Skyler, Marie all more sympathetic characters (I really didn't care for any of them on the first watch). Hank's still the MVP though
>>215165795She is a fun killer. And contrary to what twitterfags might want you to think, most people consume media for entertainment and not get le messege.
>>215165795>shitty mother>shitty wife>birthed a retard probably to her irresponsible behaviour>cheater
>>215167587who might this lady be anon
>>215166574>Not only does she have more bad than good traits (which ruins immersion, because there’s no way anyone would actually marry her)How fucking sheltered are you? Men marry horrible selfish bitches every day.
Okay, I am going to address the elephant in the room: she is ugly.
>>215168876Or worse, some nice women turn into monsters after some time
>>215165828well she supported walt when he was stacking millions and also illegally supported Ted too up until he became a crippledfunny how that works out say it with me nowSHE WAS A WHOOREEEE
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>>215167130>And the shoplifting was cringe.What was even the point of that? it led to absolutely nothing. Literally served zero purpose for the narrative.
>>215165795Jesus Christ why the same fucking topic every fucking day? Do you zoomies have dementia from tiktok?
>>215168896man face syndrome, she looks like a tranny
>>215165795She made her family eat turkey bacon and frozen yogurt, so it's settled.This is the classic case of tv producers make an annoying character annoying on purpose and then chide the audience for finding them annoying.Like a reverse Homelander. Homelander is glamorous, handsome, the most powerful being in his world, they do everything to make him cool, and then the chide audience for thinking he's cool.It's about the engagement.
>>215168936because tv and movies suck now.some one make a wire thread and a sopranos thread
>>215168965>This is the classic case of tv producers make an annoying character annoying on purpose and then chide the audience for finding them annoying.I don't think thats quite fair. They made her annoying on purpose so you'd have sympathy for Walt and be more willing to follow him on his breaking bad journey.As the show goes on the roles slowly invert, as Walt does more heinous shit and Skylar becomes more victimized. It's not a straight line but it gets there.
>>215166161>if we ban meth we have to ban fast food in order to be ideologically consistentlolberts in a nutshell
>>215168965>She made her family eat turkey bacon and frozen yogurt,Is Turkey bacon that bad?I thought it was tofu bacon or something.
>>215169065Yes, but unironically true. If you want the government to be responsible for what harmful substances you willingly choose to take in the privacy of your own home, then why should there be a line?
>>215165795I love bimbo skyler
>>215169065I consider most libertarians to be retards but there is some truth to this, which is that once you establish a precedent for state intervention in matters of individual agency the state will continue to encroach upon that agency unless actively prevented from doing so. Now as it so happens I actually think some restrictions on agency are necessary for a functioning society but the problem is currently you really are seeing absurd state encroachment (I live in the uk) so this shit is very fucking real
>>215165976>The show literally portrays multiple times how drugs destroy families.Drugs will be made and sold regardless of Walt's involvement. If anything, Walt's pursuit of selling a product of superior quality with an easily distinguishable trademark color was likely a form of harm prevention, as users could be sure they weren't getting god knows what.
>>215169482>Walt's pursuit of selling a product of superior quality with an easily distinguishable trademark color was likely a form of harm preventionyeah until every other dealer in the region started dyeing their dogshit blue too to copy himbtw I maintain that although BB is an excellent show the idea that a drug lord would give a fuck about his meth being "97% pure" and go to such lengths to acquire that is a glaring plot hole that you basically have to ignore
>>215169611Walt isn't a normal drug dealer. He's a genius chemist who feels his legacy was stolen from him and now overcompensates with pride in his product.
>>215168917Hypergamy BABY!
>>215165795Seems like ppl only started to realize how evil she was after the MeToo scam fallout, and then the scourge of the average modern woman who've been emotionally manipulated into being low-worth, sub-par ppl, if not horrible
>>215169759no I get that walt cares. I'm saying there's no real reason gus or anyone else who's actually a career criminal should care.
>>215165795Yes
>>215169891Pretty much only Gus and Gale cared right? Gale is self explanatory, Gus is a bit more vague but he is obviously a perfectionist at the very least.I don't remember exactly but maybe Gus went along with Walt because he saw a potential use to use him against the cartel and he was disposable unlike Gale
>>215165845Lol this retard actually bought Walter's lies.
>>215165845He killed Jane to control Jessie. Not self defense
you know the way your heart sinks when your boss or HR calls you in for a meeting.that's what Skyler is when she's on screencompare Anna Gunn to Kelly Macdonald in No Country For Old Men. similar thing. wife of a guy who gets caught up in drug stuff. Kelly Macdonald is a welcome presence for all her scenes.Is Anna Gunn just like that? Has she ever done anything else of note? Did she irritate the audience just by existing in her other roles?
>>215165795Realistically what would have happened had Walt told her he was making money doing something safe, but illegal, similar to a mob boss, where the mob wife just keeps her mouth shut and doesn't ask questions?
>>215169939I'm misremembering now but I vaguely recall the purity of walt's product repeatedly being something other people somehow care about. I think there's explicitly argument made that a purer product can be sold at a higher price. You can make the argument that more pure meth means you can cut it more with other stuff when you end up selling it, but I feel like with the percentage point difference we're talking about here it can't possibly make that much of a difference
>>215170079There's a lot of scenes with Walt waffling about how important his purity is, but most characters don't care, like Jessie, or that guy in the say my name scene.
>>215169891It means you can cut it more, so you get more output for the same input.
>>215170208right but is this actually accurate? is meth that's 97% pure vs 90% pure that different in practise that you can cut it more to an extent that makes it worth all the hassle of dealing with walt's bullshit and the lengths you have to go to maintain that purity?
>>215169080It's okay but it doesn't have the rich flavor of regular bacon. Not bad, just doesn't have any richness to it
>>215165795she should really be doing a ragebait movie every couple years, her acting really riles up the betas who can’t control their women.
>>215170250Even small differences would add up over time. Gus had a proper long term operation setup, gotta squeeze every dollar you can
>>215168896I'll counter with the two elephants on her chest.
>>215165828She doesn’t have to, but if she does she shouldn’t grandstand and moralfag and pretend to be a victim instead of an accomplice
>>215165845And poisoned a kid, and shot mike, and poisoned lydia
She was a terrible wife back when she was healthy and doing a normal job.She somehow became an even worse wife when she found out he was sick and didn't know/wasn't impacted by his criminal activities.In fact the only time she improved a little bit was when she found out what he was doing and tried to supporting a little bit before just giving up entirely.Also the fucking whore gave him a defective son because it was just to hard for her to not smoke for 9 months.
>>215165795people who think Skylar is the worse have never watched Ozark. Imagine Skylar but she think shes Walter
>>215165845reminder that Walter's friend offered to pay for all of his cancer treatment and Walter said no
>>215169065>if we ban meth we have to ban fast food in order to be ideologically consistentthis but unironically
People hated Skyler because she was inconsistent. She gave Walt a ton of shit for his illegal activities but was totally willing to hop on Ted's dick and give him zero shit for his illegal activities. In the end she's just a self-serving asshole that tries to rationalize selfishness instead of having internal morality.
>>215169994Is it really killing if he didn't act to save her? What's the actual legal precedent for this?
>>215165795I personally feel this way about every character in Breaking Bad. If a homeless methhead bum came in and killed everyone with a brick halfway through the series, it would be infinitely better.
>>215171053She only rolled over in the bed because Walt was there
>she literally ruined his empireshe had nothing to do with his downfall, that was purely because of his own hubris
>>215171225Doesn't answer the question I'm asking though. If it went to court, could they even charge Walt for anything because he decided not to save her?
>has full knowledge of her husband's dealings, doesn't give a shit/internalises and lies to herself about it>whines just as much to her therapist, her priest, and her husband>only gets mad when something her objectively evil husband does threatens her ego (cheating on her)>puts her children in physical, moral and spiritual danger by her continued association with her husband>gladly uses her association with her husband to threaten people when she wants to (georgetown lady, AJ's teacher)>objectively evil>doesn't get 1/10 of the hate skylar does
>>215170685i love Laura Linney and she can play demented cunts but i hate the evolution of her stupid character on that series. by the last season they were just retreading water anyway, there was no real growth storywise. not surprised it was canceled but then again a lot of awful crap continues to be renewed for mysterious reasons
>>215171278If there was a video tape of it happening or an eye witness who for some reason couldn't help either then yes.In that specific circumstance obviously not though because theres no proof
the problem with skylar is that she is badly written, breaking bad was never good at writing anything other than walter, jessie, and their criminal associates (and even then jessie gets very lackluster with his constant crash-outs)Any time they tried to deal with walt's family life it just fucking sucked because nobody cared. They spent like an entire season on marie's kleptomania and nobody gave a shit. Skylar was seen to be getting in the way of more criminal hijinks which is what the show was aboutThis shit was not the sopranos as much as fans wanted it to be
>>215169065Whatever happened to this lunatic? Not many times you seen an entire political position dying overnight.
>>215171337Fair. I always hated the Jane plot either way. The plane crash was so unbelievably over the top, which is humorous saying that when the show glorifies selling meth.
>>215171372trump attended and gave a speech at the 2024 libertarian national convention and promised to pardon ross ulbricht if he won, which he did a few months agololbertarians won
>>215169611Drug Cartels actually do pride themselves on Raw Pure Product, its the small time dealers that dilute it, mainly niggers in the ghetto, but the Spics and Chinks always prided themselves on having it Raw.
>>215165795She was a fucking cunt. She was clearly intended to be one by the creators as well, despite what those faggots said about her later.It's particularly noticeable in the early episodes, where she's portrayed as one of the most soul-crushing parts of Walt's miserable life. I mean, she tries to make money by reselling shit online, and she gives Walt a handjob for his birthday. It's not that she's outright evil, but just someone who's dull, miserable and obnoxious to be around, and who does nothing for her husband. Basically, she's clearly a huge part of why Walt is so miserable, and why he never tried to get out of his rut, despite being a supposed genius who contributed to a Nobel Prize, and was shown to be extremely passionate and driven when he was younger.That shit was written like that for a reason.
She knows that Walt is in way over his head and it's just a matter of time before his life in the meth business comes back and bites their family, but instead of turning him in to the authorities, she just takes revenge on him in very petty ways to punish him. She is also very emasculating in general when it comes to conflicts with Walt, which hits a nerve for many men.
>>215171320She knows the reality though. If she tried to leave, with the knowledge she has, she could get whacked.
>>215171491All Walts fault. He blew up his relationship with Gretchen over petty pride bullshit and lost millions of dollars doing so. He chose Skylar after that presumably too. If you have a shit partner you either don't put up with their crap until they change, or you leave. Walt had many chances to prevent this.Early on before you get all this backstory Skylar seems far worse though.
>>215171320you forgot>built a piece of shit house that's going to cave in and kill that unborn baby any day now, and now she can't sleep
>>215171320The show never touts Carmella as a paragon of virtue. Breaking Bad is a bit annoying in the way it implies Skyler (And Jesse moreso) are these totally moral victims in a way that doesn't really match their actions.
>>215168876I didin't watch Breaking Bad for "realism"
>>215171551>Shows need to much my totally arbitrary depictions of relationships that aren't realistic or or breaks my immersionThe fuck are you talking about?
>>215171491she did the bare minimum but let's be real, so did walt- the guy who could've been a gorillionare if he just put his ego asidealso she was like 20 and a waitress when walt knocked her up
>>215171542walt's incel rage really came through when gretchen dared to challenge him, also refused their charity toothe way I read it, walt was happy with a retarded wife because he did not want to be challenged in any way because of his ego
>>215171542Of course people are responsible for their own decisions, but that doesn't mean Skyler wasn't a cunt. The fact that Walt never got his drive back, until the whole meth thing, goes to show what a miserable whore she was, and how she was incapable of supporting her husband or bringing forth his vast potential.I mean, for all of Walt's flaws, he kept going despite how miserable his life was, worked two jobs, and when he got his cancer diagnosis, his first thoughts were to provide for his family, which was absolutely genuine at that point.
>>215165795honestly as bad as skyler was, she has NOTHING on wendy byrde. i wanted that bitch to die every season as her greed, selfishness and over just being a monster somehow fucked shit up for everyone around her, but especially her family. people need to watch ozark to see what a true megabitch looks like
>>215171731it's not a wife's role to make her husband self-actualise retard, she had no respect for walt because he was a faggot>or bringing forth his vast potentialhe could have asked elliot and gretchen for a job at grey matter and made millions any time he wanted, he refused because he was an egotistical faggot even though it would've bettered himself, his wife, and his crippled kid. She even gently asked him to ask for their help during the cancer treatment before walt's lie was concocted and Walt refused. Walt preferred to toil miserably as an obscure genius teaching high schoolers the periodic table. Sklyer had nothing to do with this.
>>215165795Daily reminder that Marie is superior in every way
>>215171823can someone remind me why walt is so against working at grey matter again
>>215165845t. cartel bootlicker
>>215171867Ego. He couldn't stand being an employee at a company he "founded"
>>215171320She's a way more interesting character because of it though
>>215171928is it explained why he left after founding it? iirc it was his fault somehow wasn't it
>>215172089it's not directly stated in the show. It was around the time him and gretchen split up so that probably had something to do with it
>>215165795Now thats a face for radio. Walt didnt deserve better and she didn't deserve better. The show is basically about what happens when you pick body over face.
>>215172089there are callbacks to his relationship with gretchen this is clearly a large part of whatever happened there
she was a bitch cunt from episode 1on her husband's birthday the best she could do is lazily jerk him off while she spent his money on ebay
>>215171867>>215171928It's not like he'd need them anyway. With his supposed genius and experience, he could have started over after he left Grey Matter.I think Walt being a high school teacher is probably the most unrealistic part of BB, given that no reason is given for his lack of ambition, other than his bitterness and feelings of inferiority. Even if he didn't start another company, and wanted to aim low, he could still have worked as a researcher for some government agency or any prestigious company within his field, or become a tenured professor at some Ivy League university (or Caltech, MIT, etc).
>>215172246She doesn't have a good body either. She's an overweight, sagging, middle aged slob.
>>215165795Skyler was just annoying and hypocritical, plus while there is an implication of care very early on (if little), she completely stops after like the first five episodes. Her going along with Walter's schemes out of being a pussy and not wanting to tell Junior what he was doing while also cheating on Walt and shit like that is also pretty bad, obviously not as bad as Walt but she is very morally questionable.Frankly all it shows is Walt should have stayed with Gretchen who clearly loved him (not Eliott, she stayed with the elephant jew because of his cash) but he got a case of the autisms when he saw her family cash and ran away like a fucking pussy. Only real good thing that came of that was him meeting Hank, but even then he wasted Hank instead of learning from his macho badassery>>215168469Kim was definitely worse than Skyler morally speaking and unlike with Jimmy, Chuck was equally blind to that as Howard was. Her redeeming quality is she actually realized her and Jimmy were literal poison when together and only ruined and destroyed everything around them. Oh and her being extremely fucking sexy and Vince constantly filming her bare legs and feet but that's Tarantino territory
>>215172509>Oh and her being extremely fucking sexy and Vince constantly filming her bare legs and feet but that's Tarantino territoryFuck off, faggot.
>>215165795Its been a while since I watched but one thing I think I remember about Walt and Skyler is that we have plenty of scenes showing that Walt does care her, one of his last acts before dying is make sure she gets his money even after she has attacked him and completely turned on him, but she never really had any kind of moment that said the same about her love for Walt. She was very quick to turn on him and only ever seemed concerned about herself and their son.
>>215172429him being a science teacher makes perfect sense though- he is threatened by those who might be more powerful or more intelligent than him- what better profession that being a high school teacher? you're literally always the smartest guy in the room
>>215172552I mean Walt DOES care for family, he for sure didn't do meth after the deal with Gus for them but for himself but at the same time it isn't a case of Walt not giving a shit about them, his Heisenberg persona cracks the second Hank dies. Though at the same time anybody with half a braincell can tell that cooking drugs like that isn't doing his family any favors, particularly after the extremely close call before he takes out Gus which would have ended him, his whole family and his extended family
>>215172559>he is threatened by those who might be more powerful or more intelligent than himThis is on the same level of retardation as people who genuinely claim Jesse, Gale or fucking Victor would have been able to replicate his recipeWalt IS the smartest guy in the room at all times, the man has a literal Nobel prize. It has nothing to do with being threatened by "smarter people", it has far more to do with him being in a total depressive rut for decades after realizing he had sold his share of Grey Matter, a company worth literal billions of dollars which rides on HIS contributions, for what, $5k? I'd be completely miserable too
>>215172656>Walt IS the smartest guy in the roomunironically- if he's so smart, how come he's dead
>>215169994He didn't kill Jane. Watch the show. He didnt save her because she was threatening him, she was a pos, and he thought Jesse would die with her.
>>215165795She was a bitter cunt. Why are white women like this?
>>215172656he did not build gray matter, regardless of what you or he say. He contributed to a piece of technology which was pivotal in founding gray matter- building a business from nothing to a billion dollar enterprise takes different kinds of skills, which walter does not possess and never has. You don't get ahead in business by blowing up every business relationship you make for the sake of your ego. Walter got exactly what the company was worth at the time that he sold his share, which was $5k. Did anyone make him do that? No.
>>215172429That was unrealistic but a lot of the show was. If you take it seriously it falls apart.
>>215172720How bout you watch it again.Walt pushes Jane onto her back which is why she chokes to death. Even if he hadn't he easily could have saved her and chose not to because he wanted to control Jessie
Yes she was a insuferable cunt from ep 1
>>215172717His ego and obsession with cooking drugs because it was the only thing keeping him alive motivationally speaking. There was nothing else in Walt's life anymore, not even his wife or son since his marriage had become a pure monetary agreement with even less love than beforeAlso he died exactly how he wanted to die. Gave his money to the family to get them out of that shitty apartment and give Walter Jr. and Holly perfect educations and keep them pretty much stable for life as long as they use the money wisely, had his personal revenge against the Schwartz, saved Skyler and gave closure to Marie and Gomie's family by revealing the location of the dig site, avenged Hank, Gomie and Jesse by killing the skinheads and Lydia, saved Jesse and let him go free, died from his own bullet, not from any criminal, police officer or his cancer. That's the best way for his life to go after Granite State kek>>215172767Literally everything we see in the show heavily implies GM rides on whatever Walt contributed. We never get to see what Eliott does and Gretchen was WALT's lab partner. Sure businesses have many branches but this is like Coca-Cola's secret recipe. Walt's choice to sell his shares was a mistake for sure but one can see why he's so mad about it, he sold out for no reason when he could be on the level of Steve Jobs and with the actual love of his life in a job which satisfies him
>>215172787He didnt save her primarily because she was threatening him but also because she got his dumb assistant hooked on something that was going to kill him.
>>215172877I think the threat was secondary. It was far more a matter of Walt seeing Jesse as a prodigial son and, as he rightfully points out, if Jesse had the money with Jane's manipulations they'd OD in less than a week. As manipulative as Walt becomes later on there's no denying he does care for Jesse, a bit of an educational replacement for Walt Jr. since Jesse doesn't have cerebral palsy and clearly has hidden skills which Walt successfully manages to push out
>>215172787Honestly the most justifiable killing Walt did She was the worst
>>215172971Jessie is the one who corrupted her. If he never would have got involved, she never would have gone back on her self destructive path
>>215173083Of course she would have Junkies never change
Honestly the main issue with BB viewers is that most of them are total fucking retards who don't understand the point of the series or BCS. The point is that anyone has the potential to do good and evil actions, that it's up to them. This is why we see good people with major flaws (Hank, Chuck), bad people with good parts (Nacho, Pryce, Gale), people whose morality switches and changes (Walt, Jesse, Jimmy), people who are evil but excusing it under false notions of honor or justice (Mike, Gus, the Salamancas), utter psychos (Uncle Jack, Todd and the gang) and saints (Howard) and all in betweenMost fans are too braindead to understand this and how the shows are about changes and moral conflicts which is how you get easy leddit-tier interpretations like "Walt was always Heisenberg", "Jimmy becoming Mike is Chuck's fault", "Mike is a good guy", etc
>>215173110Maybe she would have, maybe she wouldn't, but Jessie ensured she did. He ruins everyone he gets involved with.
>>215173176Meant Jimmy becoming Saul, I'm too tired for this shit
>>215173176>show has good guys and bad guys>this is actually really deep look into our philosophical out view of right and wrong if a man like tuco can go cray cray what does that say about the rest of usKys. Its a super hero show but based on drugs.
>>215173083Are you retarded? She's the one who corrupted him.
>>215173290False
>>215173246>Nooo your show can't even have basic nuances about morality, it has to be Marvel-tier black and white bullshitFuck off. Most ledditards hate the idea because it means they have to confront their actual lives and morality. It's hard to see a show where you see relatable people turn evil because it means considering if you yourself could turn evil under the right circumstances and having deep introspection. That's why, like I said, these faggots will reach the easiest conclusions, i.e. Walt was always secretly a massive sociopath who was incompetent at everything and got super lucky and should have been in jail the second he was born
It's not her fault. The life of a housewife is boring. She can't compete with Walter.
>>215170250It's important on an industrial scaleIf hes making what 400 pounds a week a 7% drop in purity amounts to 28 pounds of methThat's not nothing Especially if the high people get is noticeably different
>>215173433If she'd done her job, known her place, everything would be fine. But she just had to blow it up.
>>215169611Walt's product was 99% pure, maybe even a touch above that. You're a retard like declan
>>215169611That's why shake weed goes for the same amount as good weed right?If there's more trace chemicals I bet anything the high isnt the same
>>215171484>but the Spics and Chinks always prided themselves on having it Rawhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h2zgB93KANE&list=RDh2zgB93KANE&start_radio=1&pp=ygUSYmFieSBpIGxpa2UgaXQgcmF3oAcB
>>215170250Walt literally explains about the yield
>>215173381No, its a super hero show that revolves around meth. There's no super powers other than Walt's ability to tank an explosion but it is pretty straightforward good and evil.
>>215171823Its her job to support him but she couldn't even do that
She is a terrible wife/character. Says a lot about Vince that he expected the audience to empathize with her.
>>215165802This is the reason people hate her, even if they don't realize it. She betrayed Walter, who is a bad man doing bad things, though using some of those bad things for a small good. If she had betrayed him by calling the police on him, it would unironically be better than if she fucked Ted. One is punishing him for his evil, and the other is being a treasonous whore for no good reason.
>>215165845There is no drug war. If there was a drug war, users would be in prison and suppliers would be executed.
>do a rewatch but I skip all scenes with Skyler, Marie or the retard kid>episodes trimmed down to 30 minutes
>>215173618>>215173491>>215170469these arguments actually changed my mind, you guys are right, the purity does actually matter.>>215173569this argument didn't do much to convince me
>>215165802While her husband while dying. I really can't respect Skylar for doing this. Walt never would done that to her.
>>215173176this poster is correct>>215173246this poster is a fucking midwit
>>215172767>building a business from nothing to a billion dollar enterprise takes different kinds of skills, which walter does not possess and never hasNTA but couldn't you argue walt demonstrates these skills perfectly by going from a high school chemistry teacher to one of the largest methamphetamine suppliers of the region
>>215165828>women falling in love with serial killers is ok, but men asking a woman to help him commit crimes isn'tHypocrite much?
>>215172857>Also he died exactly how he wanted to diethis, by some definitions walt wins by the end.
>>215174267They went far too easy on everyone and the entire show was a pulled punch. S5 should have been Shield tier everyone gets fucked but they had to bring in the bikers to be antagonists cause they didn't have the balls to follow through on Walt. We got a taste of it but they really had their cake and ate it too.Anyway yes Skyler really is that bad and if you need the why explained to you, you would probably suck a dick given the opportunity
>>215172509>Her redeeming quality is she actually realized her and Jimmy were literal poison when together and only ruined and destroyed everything around themSure, yeah. But mostly she was entertaining because she actually went along with everything Jimmy was doing. They enabled each other and watching that destructive combination is what made for thrilling television. Kim is the Harley to Jimmy's Joker. I still maintain the show should have ended with them sharing a cigarette after she blows him, though. They've been through so much. It's the absolute least that could happen what with Jimmy being locked away forever.
>>215165795Americans worship criminals over good people.It has been that since the Americans revolted for paying taxes to Britain.
