Kdrama General - Seo Yea Ji Comeback EditionNo previous thread** TorrentsShows: pastebin.com/HwuShnKHMovies: pastebin.com/BPZ45xHw*** ChartsNewfriends chart: imgur.com/a/92Ub01UOlder dramas: imgur.com/a/YanckySThriller/Dark/Action: imgur.com/a/h8ZuG3n
>no previous threadWhat?>>215134322
>>215167734I'm not quite sure what she's getting at, she should elaborate further.
>>215167734that girl is ugly until dr kim had a go
I don't recommend Murky Stream. It's ending next week and obviously being set up for a second season. The story is bad.
What happened to that gloomy thriller show I watched like week, "Miss Icognito" or something?It was quite good so I turned up this week for the new episodes but they changed it to a shitty AI generated "quaint small village" romcom with the usual local bogged guy vs. city girl plus quirky but lovable cast of rednecks villagers...I'd like the original show back please thank you
>>215167889Wait it did? Picked up!
>>215167889Yeah, the newer episode changed the tone to accommodate the introduction of the village characters.Hopefully in the next episodes, they go back to the over the top revenge story.
>>215167817
It's over for kdramas
>>215168085k
>>215168085why is your top airing shows different than mine
My Little Bride would have been a 9/10 instead of a 6/10 if the bride wasn't a two-timing whore to two different guys.
>>215167889>>215167949Yeah everything flipped for the worse. Even the music and silly sounds. She's not even incognito some people know already and the maid from back at the house just dropped in. Don't get me started on the ML bitch.
>>215167886Really bad? I was going to watch even knowing a middle age married woman would have a thing with a thug.
>>215168206opps I was thinking about Walking on Thin Ice. But is Murky Stream BAD?
>>215167814
>>215168206The story is incomplete. I don't think anything will be resolved next episode. The ML and FL only interacted for less than 30 minutes in the whole season.
>>215168129Second episode soon!
>>215168263which one has the female genitalia?
>>215167889>>215167949kek, I've got the first few episodes downloaded but not started watching it yet, sounds like an odd shift.
God damn Koreans are fugly
>>215168611how rude
>>215168619>she will never be your wealthy amnesiac hostage maid wifefuck this gay earth
>>215168693
>>215167889It was never a gloomy thriller. The moment they introduced the male lead, you should have known they couldn't deliver a good story.The moment the old man is gone the story,the concluded. seriously dont bother
>>215168801kdrama should stop romance imo
>>215168897
>>215168897next you'll be saying they shouldn't carry qts and then there would we be?
>>215168897No romance no watch
>>215168370asking for a friend.
Too little is happening! Sigh. Time to watch some old romance slop.
>>215169916She has great hair. Is the drama any good?
>>215169926It's fine so far, but with only two episodes so we'll see.
>>215169892lmao. needed the giggle
>>215167734I was gonna watch save me but it has a fucked up plotlines and I also tried watching ever after, that also has a fucked up plot line, I guess i watch for the other reasonsthe dog scenes and I thought somehow she was gonna end up adopting those dogs and becoming her young version or whatever
>>215167889Given the synopsis, I expected a lighter tone once the story shifted to the village stuff. I don't mind it (will admit it would've been more unique if they kept the tone consistent from the first week), but the village setting has definitely been stale so far. Very typical all around. The FL is not great at being undercover, looking up make-up tutorials instead of lesson plans kekHopefully they've got twists or something more refreshing in the upcoming episodes. I still like the lawyer character and the design of that shed the FL lives in
>>215168263who is this actress? She looks familiar
>>215170230it's seo ye-ji in okay to not be okay.
>>215169892
>>215170316i realized she looks familiar to gyu young in longer hair. Maybe i should watch that show since it seems to have both
>>215170316they're both so beautiful. why aren't women in western tv like this?
>>215170316I'd take /ourdog/ over the psycho in this, her character is really cute.
Would you marry me is slowly winning kdg doty
The problem with romance is how people tend to treat it like some kind of ultimate fix for life.
>>215170955it kind of is though, real meaning in life is achieved by having children
>>215170748YES, I need more rape in my life.
>>215171050That not romance sonThat the byproduct of having sex
>>215171168Romance leads to having a family, having children, having responsibility for other people and through it most people achieve meaning in their lives that they previously didn't have.
What's his best show?
>>215171223You can achieve all of that without romance, my friend. Humans have been doing it for ages.Romance is the excuse we use to convince each other that we care.
Forgot Typhoon Family starts today
>>215171842no romanceno watch
>>215168801I look back when she first saw the ML at the chairmans house and she was told don't pay any attention he is a side character. Reality this is not her show but the former kpop idols show. Stereotypical jack of all trades, master of everybody's business and pride of the village. Hes Everything Everywhere All At Once. If anything she is a kindergarten cop (bodyguard) and the best beat down was the inflatable dinosaur.
>>215172379>Reality this is not her show but the former kpop idols showIdk, she's still clearly the main character. He's just set up to be both her foil and love interest, without much depth so far. The character would probably be less bothersome if he were played by an actor with more personality/capability.
>>215170346Why doesn't she have any new projects announced REEEEEEEEEEE
Just found out Shuang Xin is currently filming his next show Kong Que. This man is still cooking, he even got Tang Wei in this.
I must go incognito mode into a village were everybody knows each other and some people work for my boss.Surely the were better ways
>>215173611Real? I've been waiting for his next project. The last rumors I read were some ridiculous fake sounding ones about a post-apocalyptic costume drama
>yellow chud cope drama general
>>215173782yup, no plot description on imdb though, so who knows. id guess its out sometime next year, maybe spring if im being hopeful
>>215167734can someone please recommend a nice self inert drama like Doona?
>>215173879This is great news. If the twitter posts about it are true, that's one high profile cast. He's already done 2 fantastic dramas, hopefully this will be the 3rd
>>215174008I'd like to insert myself into some of these k-cuties
lmao at this chud ricecel talking about "inserting" himself into anything while he looks like this
>>215174173same. but i can't find any other self insert dramas. somebody tell korean tv producers that there is an international market for those dramas
day 16 of still no my daughter is a zombie subtitles
>>215175151Day 16 of you should have started learning korean
Just watched Alice in borderland s3 and squid game s3 back to back. Some of the worst disappointing shit Ive ever seen in my life especially since aib 1 and 2 were my guilty pleasureAny other k-kino similar to these to reverse my mood on a cozy saturday
>>215173619also I must work at a public school for some mysterious reason instead of just staying put hidden somewhere quiet and remoteI like the FL but this show is really pushing the boundaries of stupidity
>>215175459>Just watched Alice in borderland s3I thought S3 was Ok until the last 2 episodes which were some of the worst TV I've seen in my life... idk what happened maybe that game sounded cool on paper but holy shit this was utterly terriblesquid s3 was a masterpiece compared to this
>>215175459your fault for watching multi season slopboth of those shows are american streaming slop tv dressed up like kdramas/jdramas. embrace, extend, extinguish.
What is the thinking man's kdrama?
>>215175626the frog ( unironically )
>>215175626flower of evilDP
>>215175653It's one of the best looking shows I've seen in a good while, really well shot.
>>215175653No way, outside the dual timelines at the beginning (largely a waste of time anyway) there's barely anything worth ruminating on. It's something to watch for the acting and the nice visuals, not the story imo
>>215175838Yeah, surprised by how mediocre it was rated though. I thought it was very very good. Need to find something equivalent to watch today
>>215175856>No way, outside the dual timelines at the beginning (largely a waste of time anyway)yeah I agree, other than establishing the police chief the connection between the past/present stories was pretty flimsy, at first I thought it was going to be the same location like a history repeating itself with murders in the hotel but nah it was just whatever, could have done without it really.
>>215167734>On going general for something that nobody has ever watched, and nobody ever will
>>215176076I'm currently watching 4 kdramas.
>>215176109I could claim to be watching one billion. We'd both know our claims are bullshit.
ok faggot, you don't watch kdrama so nobody else possibly could.
>>215176025>at first I thought it was going to be the same location like a history repeating itself with murders in the hotelThat was my expectation as well, like maybe that was the pension owner's backstory or something. But yeah, they ended up doing nothing interesting or worthwhile with the setup, very disappointing because I enjoy nonlinear storytelling. That time could've been better spent elsewhere for sure
>>215175626Sandglass, Eyes of Dawn, Alone in Love, Ruler of Your Own World
>>215175626every kdrama starring rain or lee seung-gi, what were they fucking thinking man.
>>215175473And she has to stay at a house the most intrusive villager owns and work at a kindergarten the most intrusive villager volunteers. She is shadowed 24/7 if she likes it or not by an ass trying to bust her. That clown will get her killed.
>>215175838Except you never get a good ass shot of the Frog in her swim suit. Always in the water or from the side or too far away.
>>215176441This guy's a real thinker
Gessekis! What does that mean?
>>215176920I wasn't watching it with my dick in my hand, so it wasn't an issue.
>>215175626Eyes of DawnHeard It Through The Grapevine
>>215175626Work Later Drink Now
>>215167734Just finished Little Women, was super comfy if a little convoluted and lacking realism.Really looking forward to No Other Choice. Waiting for subs for movies on AvistaZ is a fucking nightmare at the moment.
>>215167889Lol, the commonly used switcheroo.>>215170316Sang Tae and Ju Ri won.
>>215167801it was left to die because ntl was having a breakdown again, janny must have cleaned up his posts.
>>215178058Why won't he get some help?
>be me>doing my thang at the gym> ~5'2 qt pi asian qt gf approaches me in my squat cage and asks me if im using the trap bar with 3 plates on each side behind me>im in my regular gym outfit - extra large black tank top that hugs my body and cotton shorts that go midway down my thigh>she is making direct eye contacti had to tell her i am using the trap bar and showed her where the other trap bar was. she struggled to unrack it so i helped her. another gym bro tried to take her squat rack so i had to gently tell him it was occupied with a polite sorry at the end.but anyway fuck you chuds, you disgust me with your whining and entitlement over normal romance in kdramas.
>>215177508>Just finished Little Women, was super comfy if a little convoluted and lacking realism.little women is balls to the wall retarded with it's twists, that's why we love it, our groomer and nam ji hyun. <3.
>>215175626Any BL
>>215178309You type like a woman.
>>215178423thank you, chud
yeah, no, bye
bye
why won't this retarded faggot go away so we can have proper kdrama threads again
waifufags dont watch kdramas
there is nothing more despicable and disgusting than the chud:>ugly, beady eyes, fat disgusting face, cant grow a proper beard>weak and frail body, porn damaged coombrain>failed at being a man, takes out their frustrations on being failures in the form of extreme entitlement and misogyny>whines and goonblogs and waifuposts on kdg while pretending to be one of the normiesfuck chuds.
oh yeah. and that's all well and good under FREEDOM or whatever, but now chuds start getting violent towards women so i gotta say something and step in.you chuds are the problem.
As if he isn't describing himself, and he doesn't make peoples skin crawl irl.
>>215178804>>215178828>trying this hard
Chuds are less annoying than schizos that got raped by their dad
team schizo anti-chud pro feminism gymcel
>>215179076the proplem is you are severely mentally ill, we all come here because we watch kdrama. go away you stupid cunt.
i draw in qt asian girls like a magnet yall chuds cant even imagine. bye
>>215179122fuck off chud. you just pretend and when everyone has their guard down you start goonblogging and coomposting.you're a predatory sex pest chud.
Maybe he'll get hit by a white truck one day and we'll finally have peace
>>215179167fingers crossed.
>>215175626Mouse was a favourite of astrophysicist and ISS astronaut Kim Dae-Won
everyone just has to keep reporting his off topic schizo posts, he got curated this week so it's obviously not the same janny now that let him kill every thread for a month straight a while back.
>>215179132I can. Dated one 2 years and dated and now married to another.
any korean/asian drama in general with white (male) diversity casts or some that make you feel like pic related
Which way, white woman?
>>215175626Hyper Knife
>>215179595She cannot consent!
>>215179413*cricket**tumbleweed rolls by*have a donut twist.
>>215179301good.
>>215179353conan is the whitest of the white
What are you guys eating while watching kdrama? I've got fried chicken tonight.
>>215179775gas station hamburger, ruffles, and a monster
>>215180458best pair
Is Love and Leashes any good? Thinking of watching it for her.
>>215181688She's literally me.
Why did Asians put keychains on their cellphones in older dramas?
Damn, episode 7 of Walking on Thin Ice. This one has been a lot better than expected. Gotta get me some beer and a giant container of cheeseballs
I want to cum inside park Bo young
Sex with Sara
>>215182362they put their phones on their keychainsImo it makes a lot more sense if you think anbout it like that
>>215182971But they never had any keys on the key chain
>>215182362They do that in newer stuff too sometimes. Have you really never seen that outside of dramas? People love decorating their belongings
That shit rattles around too much.
>>215169916What show?
>>215175807>flower of evil2nd half got so fucking stupid
Was Tangerines a let down for anyone else?
>Baek A Jin grew up enduring domestic violence, forcing her to hide her emotions and survive by reading and manipulating others. Outwardly, she appears generous and kind, but when her ambitions are threatened, her darker nature emerges. With beauty and talent, she rises to become a top actress.Sounds like we're going to be adding a new girl to the psycho collage
>>215185209She has a nice body of work
>>215184331Feminist shite MDLbait
Why are Muslims suddenly reviewing-bombing K-dramas? First Tempest and now Genie, Make a Wish. I'm assuming they're Indians seething that nobody wants to watch Bollywood slop outside of their slum country.
Tempest still in the global top 10 tv shows on d+. fuck muslims and chinks (it's a show revolving around international politics, of course it was going to anger some).
>>215167889>from 7.5/10 to 1.5/10 in a mere weekImpressive.
>>215186742yes even MDL is wondering what happened to the writingep 1 and 2 were unironic doty material
>>215184331Best slice of life since reply 1988 imo.
>>215185977
>>215187998it's amazing that she's popular enough to get away with killing a bunch of people, when everyone else gets cancelled over retarded shit.
Unnies just dropped Queen of Tears after 4 episodes because it was too boring. Haven't been here for a couple of months, any k-inos I should try next?
>>215188061Avoid romanceslop. Watch thrillers like Karma or Nine Puzzles.
>>215188073Karma was good, 9 Puzzles was shit, I dropped after 3 episodes
watch romanceslop with kino actors and also watch thrillers, simple as.
>>215188061Tempest was great
>>215188223Seems to have bad reviews unnie. Anything knew by the guy who made Extracurricular?
we need more shows with love triangles MMF or MFF
>>215188544MFF, there's way too many MFM actually and way too many love rectangles
>>215188503
>>215188544nooooooo
ms incognito might have a MFF love triangle
>>215188544Uppercut yourself cuck fetishist faggot
>>215187449Fucking retard.
>seething
>>215188619go back to your thrillerslop
>>215188503>bad reviewsmdl is overrun by chinks, they hate tempest because it made China into a villain (just one line really, but the whole country had a meltdown over it, main Tempest actress was cancelled and so was her add contracts over there)
>>215188503>Seems to have bad reviewsno it doesn't, it pissed off chinamans and towelheads and got brigaded on every review site, the real reviews are mostly positive.
>>215188604the FL's retarded friend is obviously the love interest of the ML's retarded friendgod i hate this shitty show so much i just can't
>>215188748ML's ex wife might be alive
>>215188786cant' wait to skip her scenes
>>215188707same shit that happened with when the phone rings, it mentions a fictional middle-east conflict and the zogbots went into overdrive because of israel/palestine.
>>215188707Good.Tempest is a fake k-drama.
>>215188823yeah that girl was writing kshit before you were even born and has some of the most culturally impacting and defining kshit under her belt, fucking retard
>>215188861Queen Mantis is closer to a real k-drama than Tempest. The OG Queen Mantis show is westernslop.
>Cuckzy is actually a brown mudslimeSomehow I always knew.
>>215188894There's not just one person that is against cuckery
>>215188930But there's only one uppercut fetishist: He's called Cuckzy and he is brown.
this guy is underrated
genie suckscope
>>215189142>multi award winning king of money>we literally call him kinoman, because he is a man of kino>underrated
>>215183637
I've watched My Little Bride and My Wife is 18 this weekend. Please recommend more asian dramas/films that involve the ML marrying a cute teenage girl.
>>215189267absolutely degenerate.
>>215189142anime acting all the time
>>215189160Genie was good. Seethe.
>>215189227this girl is underrated
>>215189396not by me, and that's all that matters.
which male actor is handsome and underrated
>>215189524
Well Pasta wasn't the cuck show I was told it was though the FL did have a habit of spending all or most of the night with the other guy. Never saw her kiss the other guy or hug. Lots of hand holding and playful bumping and touching and admiring though and she told her father about how wonderful he is.But, and it could just be the subs, did the FL ever directly tell the other guy no. Second, at the end did they talk about her going or not going to Italy. It just ended and left me hanging.
terry kim is a rising star as handsome as he is talented, definitely one to watch.
>>215189651Is he wearing a casio watch
hundred memories won kdg love triangle doty
>>215189635>Pasta wasn't the cuck show I was told it wasIt's almost as if the schizo who sees cucking everywhere he looks is in fact a complete schizo.
>>215189635>>215189692>lots of handholding>no cuckery
>>215189668yeah, he carries a gun too, problem?
>>215167734>>215168263>>215168619>>215179185how do I get a Korean girlfriend who looks like this?please advise
>>215179413>Which way, white woman?
>>215189878They're so fat...
>>215189635When she says chef it's cuter than bo-young in oh my ghost and I will die on that hill.
>>215189878
>posting a chud in make up, boat shoes, and badly fitting clothes because he is so small, so small.wae
Put your name on.
okay
which male actor is popular to white women
the tall ones. not the fake ones wearing make up and boat shoes but the rare, legitimately tall ones like the guy in Lovely Runner.
>>215190154timothee chalamet
>>215190042I thought the comment below was some seething timmy but my man here legit looks like he's auditioning for a kingdom hearts adaptation with these fucking shoes
>I thought the comment below was some seething timmy
omo...
>>215190214it's the seething ricecel
Does he have any good shows?
>>215189976Need not die on that hill. The two shows, and leads, aren't in the same solar system. Pasta chef by a lot.
>>215188821When the pajeet rings was hated because it's Bolywood tier bad
kdrama nerdge bf, omo.
>>215188561Our girl looks so soulless after the weight loss and plastic surgery
>>215190326Why do you hate India?
>>215190328This dude looks so disproportionate. His head is way too small for his body.
>>215190290looks like my Filipino gay fuckbuddy
>>215190355who doesn't?
>>215190356like Hasan. it's because they are tall.
>>215189717First time he grabbed her hand she didn't know how the second guy felt and she kinda resisted but not much. She ended up spending the night drinking and snacking with him leaning, more than friendly, on each other at the pool. But then she did know and talked to her father which guy she should pick and spent another all nighter with him. Glowingly talking about the other guy. But I never saw them kiss or hug.
The girl in Liar Game looks so cute. Koreans looked so much better and more natural in the early 10s and had a less pretentious style. Now the they all looks pale as vampires and fake af
>>215190343
>Woo Seok & Sohee kdrama for SoloLeveling is in production.>Sohee & Woo Seok practicing and rehearsing together, watching Solo Leveling together in privateomo...
>>215190357brown Koreans look unnatural
>>215190430>>215190343
>Woo Seok is 189cm>Song Kang is 186 cmthe height difference between Woo Seok and Sohee will be quite big in Solo Leveling. Sohee and Song Kang have a comfortable height gap in Nevertheless.I told you Nabi (Nevertheless) won in the end. Sohee is already rehearsing with taller kdrama actors...
We told you to kys
no please white truck you cant come here- ACK!
am i... am i cheating on Song Kang right now?! am i shipping another kdrama actor with Sohee????
Which way white woman?
'kay my goonout is over. kdg is clear. last pic on this.
it's over
>a mentally ill nigger is spamming the thread Fuck's sake. Every fucking gen on this site has these. The problem is not that they're mentally ill and want that broadcast to the world, it's that they still somehow try to hide behind pseudo-anonimity. Just put on a name faggots.
>>215190760no name on any of yours
>>215190357I love how Filipino Gigolos/Call-Boys look generally handsome due to their Spanish and Mexican ancestry, but because the country is poor, they're cheaper than Japanese Gigolos/Call-Boys other Koreans prefer. Imagine being hotter but cheaper! Keep being poor Filipinos I get bargain sex! Haahahaahah!
>>215190633Not sure if anything is over or what has started already or whats on deck. Maybe we need to define over first.
>>215191279These aren't gigolos for women but male prostitutes, Ya know, buggery for men
>>215191377I used Filipino vs Japanese Gay/Bi Callboys as an example because the Anon who posted, said that he had a Filipino Gay Fuckbuddy. I wouldn't blame him, seeing both Japanese and Filipino Callboys I would choose a Filipino gay fuckbuddy too.
*clear's throat*Hey huh...*reads from script*Unnies. Hey unnies... I'd like a recommendation for a well acted kdrama, I'd like to avoid something that feels like a soap opera, or is either too comedic or dramatic.A-arigato gauze ay matsu.
How do we save this gen?
>>215189142>kinoman>underratedwhat?
>>215191939some of the most kino posters are currently on hiatus
>>215192098Why did all the kino posters go on hiatus at the same time? What happened to chefbro? What happened to quilt noona? What to the guy that made all the great oc?
>>215192144Some of us in the US watch college and NFL football. No time to watch kdrama nor hang out here. Especially if I drop in and you're talking about gay escorts.
>>215191938Tempest. It tries too hard to be a western show.
>>215192401>TempestI am legally paying for it with real money right now, thanks unnon.
>>215192144its just a coincidence unnie
>>215192144got bored of the schizo faggot killing threads all the time
Why didnt Bae Suzy scissor with her hot, young grandma?
What's the best kdrama for unironically learning Korean?
>>215192560just watch whatever you like unnie, maybe except for medical or legal dramas. watching something that you don't like for "learning" purposes will feel like a chore and is a surefire way to get sick of learning korean quickly
Did pby anon leave too?
>>215192847
>>215192939she looks silly here
Kim Jae Kyung is criminally underrated by kdg
>>215193014she's not in many shows
>>215193228It's a travesty. She's great, in addition to being superhot.
>>215193314manface
>>215193401Really?
>>215193401
>>215193420looks like my Filipino gay fuckbuddy
>>215192144I never left but I believe I've reached the upper limit on reusing this bit
>>215193630That is kino
just how many people has IU killed?
>>215193630Is that a white truck model kit?
what a bitch
I wish I could watch kdrama with my kdg chingus.
>>215193630Nice touch with the letterboxing, I hate how so many shows hardcode it. Never really liked the whole ultrawide look anyway.
they would disappear together under white bedsheets, omo.
what will the next edition be?
>>215195376Romance slop. My favorite genre.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=jCZ7ovF_3ZoListening to this while thinking about Hyper Knife. I'm becoming increasingly obsessed with that show.
watch Hidden Love and First Frost
>>215195485hey these are chink shows, you are in the wrong general
>watch a male centered drama about conquering a strong woman created by a patriarchial society and industry
>>215195538there's no /cdg/ :(
>>215195598because you didn't make it, so do it then
on ep2 of queen mantis, its got some pacing issues, but I'm gonna stick with it
been an anime fan for decades, I still can’t get used to how Korean sound
>>215193798Thanks chingu>>215194156Yeah, he's an enthusiast>>215194943Thanks, I've watched other asian dramas that don't have the letterboxing but kdramas almost always seem to have it for whatever reason
>>215195698Really? Korean sound fine to me even though I can't understand it unlike Japanese. It's Chinese that sounds annoying.
>>215195613anyway those are the only cdrama that I watched and they are masterpiece, very recommended for those who likes slow burn romance
>>215195796I have my kslop still thank you very much.
oh no no no
>>215195883sound like a kino show
Time to sleep. So I will not be making it.
jaljah
>>215195709>kdramas almost always seem to have it for whatever reasonYeah, I’ve noticed that too. I get that it’s meant to ensure a consistent viewing experience across platforms, but is there even a single device/media player that doesn’t support embedded aspect-ratio flags?
>>215196104good night our rapist
>>215195693That one's got some issues for sure but I liked it. Have fun
>>215196368Isn't that the one the mom fucks her son?
>>215196509Nope
>>215167734deep unprotected vaginal sex with seo yeaji
not a single good show recently, the last good show was S~~~~LINE haha gottem
>>215196622bit gay mate.
>>215196617Thought someone said that. Good kdrama didn't go there yet.
I don't get why Bae Suzy fell in love with Genie, especially since she's a psycho.
>>215196666not kdrama
>>215197327I don't know why she fell in love with the young tall startup guy with big hands either but she did.
>>215197843Why did she fall in love with the waxwork figure in While You Were Sleeping?
I'm currently watching Netflix's new season of Monster which reminds me why on only really watch Kdramas nowadays.
>>215198076
>>215168007She obviously slimmed down her nose in 2015 p2
