i want to fuck misato

>>215193155
There are two primordial monster aliens: Adam and Lilith. Adam is the tree of life, he produces life that is immortal and powerful, but not smart. Lilith is the tree of knowledge, she produces small beings who are mortal, but smart. What you are seeing right now is Lilith, who is crucifixed so it doesn't regenerate.

>>215193155
IIRC it was aliens that sent giant beings to seed new worlds with life. Normally it was one giant being per world, but in Earth's case, it was two which led to the shit storm that is Evangelion.

>>215193218
how does that relate to the Bible

>>215193218
I'll add that there has been two impacts on the world of evangelion. An impact is when Adam and Lilith get together.
>>215193242
As this guy said, these aliens were both immortal and smart, and didn't want to create a race that could defeat them. So they divided life sources into two trees, and coded them so it would produce an impact if they touched each other.
>>215193259
I don't think it does in this specific case.

>>215193259
If anything, the closest there is for a Jesus in Evangelion is Kaworu, a divine being full of love who appears as a human and then dies, heavily influencing our protagonist.

>>215193259
Lilith was the first wife of Adam in Jewish mythology, Lilith is the second angel after Adam hence the reference
also all of the Christianity/Kabbalah shit in Eva is just there because it looks cool and was mysterious to the Japanese audience, the creators themselves admitted it

>>215193155
It doesn't matter. The show is about a boy with anxiety issues who copes with mechs and has learn to accept himself (anime ending), or accepts a doomed existence (EoE), to ultimately become a normie wageslave (Rebuild 4.0).

>>215193336
If I remember correctly, the person who said that was just one random animator, not the writer or the director.
There are many references that, if you read the Bible, could help you understand Evangelion. For example, Eva (Eve in greek) in the bible it's a copy of Adam, while in Evangelion Evas are also clones of Adam.
I would say that there is no christian meaning, but it does use the christian elements to tell a story. You will understand the series better if you've read Freud or Jung than if you have read The Bible, yet The Bible also helps a lot.

>>215193441
>become a normie wageslave
worst ending

>>215193496
Seriously. People waited ten years for that garbage.

>>215193155
>>215193441
this. the christian symbolism is purely aesthetic, the creator thought it looked / sounded cool so he lifted biblical motifs into the show. the actual show's themes and story has almost nothing to do with them, and it actually almost weakens the show overall by giving the allure of thematic and symbolic depth to the lore when really the show is just about being a depressed anxious piece of shit loner and NOTHING ELSE. The anime as a whole is dogshit saved only by a few kino characters and phenomenal art direction.

>>215193155
There's nothing to get. Japs love Western religious and esoteric symbolism and just mindlessly use it in things like anime and video games (Shin Megami Tensei is a perfect example) because it looks cool.

>>215193546
Wrong and already debunked. Hideaki Anno investigated christianity and understood its symbols, as said by him. The myth that these symbols are just "to look cool" was said by a random animator, not the director or writer. There are some superficial symbols though, but there are also others which make you understand the story better if you are familiar with them.

>>215193580
ok, explain to me right now what the deeper significance of lilith and adam being primordial deities of whatever the fuck had any relevance to the show's arc beyond existing as arbitrary villains? What is the relationship, in the canon of the original show's run, between the angels and irl christianity?

>>215193632
*what the deeper significance of lilith and adam being primordial deities of whatever the fuck was and how they all had any relevance

>>215193155
When I first saw this anime in my teenage years I thought it was a really deep and difficult to understand mind fuck about an apocalyptic alien invasion with pseudo-religious elements and ate up the idea of it having some deep religious meaning.

This is the takeaway when you're a dumb kid who's just getting into anime and even as I matured I kept trying to hold on to the idea that maybe its got some deep meaning to it about aliens and mysticism because that would actually be cool and not the boring reality of this anime.

The reality is that it is just a coming of age story, the whole thing is a metaphor for Shinji learning to take on responsibility and become a member of his community so much so that the ending episodes may as well be "It was all a dream" the way it goes into Shinji's subconscious to interrogate his ego.

>>215193580
Why do some thing explode in a cross pattern?
Why is the Spear of Longinus called that? Why is Lilith immobilised in that way on a cross rather than any other way?

>>215193242
Formerly Chuck’s.

>>215193710
Eva uses religious names and terminology because the Lance of Longinus sounds cooler than the Lance of Qwazmar IV. That's all.

>>215193155
japs are fucking retarded

>>215193773
so it's all just to be cool
I accept your concession

>>215193710
Longinus is the Roman soldier that thrust a spear into Jesus' (god) side. In NGE the Spear of Longinus is used to kill god-like entities.

>>215193155
>I bring you love

>>215193259
It doesn't, they don't know shit about it, it's there for the imagery only. But in-universe I like to think of it that humanity existence does relate to crosses, two primordial beings, magical spears, and the Bible is just a misinterpretation of the whole thing.

>>215194019
>But in-universe I like to think of it that humanity existence does relate to crosses, two primordial beings, magical spears, and the Bible is just a misinterpretation of the whole thing.
That is the case, yeah.

>>215193632
>explain to me right now what the deeper significance of lilith and adam being primordial deities of whatever the fuck had any relevance to the show's arc beyond existing as arbitrary villains?
They're not villains, they're the foundation of the whole story. Their progeny are competing for who gets to live on the planet. You're asking what the fuck the driving point of the story has to do with the story? If you weren't retarded you'd be asking why they're named Adam and Lilith, not why they're progenitors of life.
>What is the relationship, in the canon of the original show's run, between the angels and irl christianity?
They're called Angels (Apostles in JP) because they're emissaries of Adam's will, that's all.

>>215193710
Kaworu/Tabris is also Adam, and he is Jesus in the show. Lilith is restrained in that way to make people believe that she is Adam. Nobody in the show knows it's Lilith until Kaworu gets down there and sees her.

>>215193441
>accept himself (anime ending), or accepts a doomed existence (EoE)
I thought they were supposed to be the same endings just from different perspectives? Anime showed what happened in Shinji's head while the movie showed what occurred in the outside world

To the extent it wasn't just purely facile Ultraman mimicry, it was a Japanese guy in the '80s reading some schlocky Kabbala in 50 pages kind of overview that was on the shelf next to cryptids and ghost stories.

You wouldn't take some American slapping torii and a thumbnail Ameterasu allegory seriously enough to agonize over it

is this worth binge watching? its like gundam wing but monster angels right? i need a decently long show to watch and i always see screenshots and shit of the fighting but how does it match up? is it very slow paced?

>>215194194
No, they're different endings.

>>215193336
Eva was made from adam's rib, just like evangelions were made from Adam's genetic materiał.

>>215194073
okay, so you've just admitted that all the religious symbology is purely aesthetic and arbitrary and the nature of the enemies humanity is fighting has no actual relationship to irl scripture besides the names. which was my point.
also
>They're not villains, they're the foundation of the whole story. Their progeny are competing for who gets to live on the plane
but that's not the foundation of the story retard, as >>215193685 points out the foundation of the story is literally just shinji learning to grow out of his depression and teenage angst

>>215194238
don't bother. the setpieces are cool but the core of the story isn't actually "cool robots fighting aliens with biblical themes", it's "the main character works through his depression and teenage angst whilst being one of the most dislikeable and frustrating protagonists to anyone who isn't a 14 year old". It's also insanely slowly paced and the lore is incoherent at best. There's BARELY any action that makes all this worth it.

>>215194284
ok
thanks
i only asked because i recently binged gantz and thought it was pretty good
so if i skip this what should i shoot for? i was considering a rewatch of outlaw star or maybe cowboy bebop
my friend swears on trigun but i find it extremely obnoxious

>>215194337
I swear by kill la kill personally. I'm not a huge anime guy though, but for me the best series are probably
>cowboy bebop
>kill la kill
>edgerunners
SAO abridged is also fucking hilarious if you've seen the original show

>>215193155
The focus in Eva isn't the lore. Eva doesn't even care about its own lore. Its about exploring themes through its archetypal characters.

>>215193155
Lilith being crucified is just a restraint, really moreso than anything else. Rei pierces her with the spear of longinus at the end of episode 14 to stop her from growing more Eva units.

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>>215194224
>Ultraman mimicry
Yes, while dweebs argue endlessly about the nature of the symbolism in NGE, the reality is that Anno was just copying his favorite TV show that he grew up with.

>>215194407
i watched all of soa abridged not even last.month i agree it was hilarious
waiting for the final few, a new one came out recently
ill look into kill la kill, right now im finishing flcl again because its so short

>>215194284
80 IQ take

>>215193441
>who copes with mechs and has learn to accept himself
He doesn't want to pilot the mechs.
>accepts a doomed existence (EoE)
EoE is actually an incredibly happy ending. We have official artwork from Gainax that was supervised by Anno depicting the world returning to normal. People coming out of the LCL...
>ultimately become a normie wageslave (Rebuild 4.0)
Can't argue with that

>>215194477
cope. you liked the show because you were/are a fucking miserable loser and related to shinji, and retroactively convinced yourself it was high art as a consequence. this is every NGE fan btw. they'll also convince themselves they're actually super high IQ and that's why only they "get" the show.

>>215194263
>okay, so you've just admitted that all the religious symbology is purely aesthetic
No, it's not. Some of it is. Some of it isn't.
>and the nature of the enemies humanity is fighting has no actual relationship to irl scripture besides the names
It has a relationship to Kabbalah, which you're too stupid to recognize which is why you can only babble about the names of the Angels.
>the foundation of the story is literally just shinji learning to grow out of his depression and teenage angst
No, that's the subtext of the story. The story is about a divergent generation of life trying to supplant humanity, and about Kabbalah wizards trying to initiate Tikkun Olam.

my depressive episodes dont usually end up in genre defining masterworks

>>215194567
>grew up in post-apocalypse
>mom mysteriously died at age 5
>Sociopathic abusive dad who hates him
>Developing 14 year old who doesn't understand his feelings nor opposite sex
You're literally 80 IQ and don't understand characters with flaws, or tragic backgrounds, and appreciate how they overcome those flaws and grow as a character across 26 episodes, and a 2.5 hour long feature film. ROFL

>>215194639
>mom mysteriously died at age 5
He watched her die too, she brought him to the facility that day just so he would see it.

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>Hey let's ripoff a more talented Japanese author, add in a bunch of bible references, teenage angst, evolution nonsense and a story about fighting against fate!! It'll be great!

>>215194690
>let's take something mediocre with some good ideas and make it an instant classic
I'm thinking based

>>215194639
I don't give a fuck what his tragic backstory is anon, he isn't an engaging or compelling character. unironically get in the robot shinji

>>215193175
Fpbp. Reifags and Asukafags can suck a dick.

>>215194720
he's a direct response to heero yui from whatever gundamn series. pretty much the exact same character except played as a badass for being a 14 year old virgin who hates women.

>>215194463
Oh yeah, there are ... crosses... and dudes in catsuits ... a total rip-off, am I right?

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>>215194639
>>215194758

>>215194720
>>215194567
Are newfag tourists who never watched Eva still pretending Shinji is a whiny bitch? He spends half the show being a cocky asshole until he gets fucked for it. He also usually only whines for sympathy, like in episode three when the class finds out he's a pilot. He's happy to admit it and brag about it when he's getting positive attention. Then when Suzuhara punches him he starts whining and tries to pretend he hates it and it's everyone else's fault. Or when he gets in trouble later on and Misato tells him to quit NERV and he starts to panic and copes with "w-well you NEED me to pilot it." Shinji is an asshole because of his feminized attention seeking, not because he's a crybaby afraid of the robot.

>>215194758
Anno had a character like Shinji in mind 2 years before Gundam Wing came out, anon

>>215194758
heero yui was a robot hell bent on completing his mission at any cost retard
his unwavering loyalty to his cause was his sole drive behind his actions, hes as simple as a character could possibly be

>>215194843
I watched the show and I agree with all your observations anon, to me it's all just part of what makes shinji an intolerable pussy of a protagonist and why he needs to GET IN THE FUCKING ROBOT

also he jacks off onto asuka when she's passed out in hospital, I have no idea what the fuck they were thinking with that

>>215193333
Then I want jesus to blow me

>>215193175
Based drunk mommy enjoyer

Japanese media doesn't actually have any deeper meaning, they literally just chum the water with so much meaningless symbolism that they hope someone will find something to construe as meaningful through sheer volume.

>>215193175
FPBP. If NGE was any good she would have drunkenly fucked shinji halfway through.

>>215195111
Its always the same shallow symbolism
Either organized religion bad
or fascist/nationalist state bad

Its literally the same as western media just with not as much black people

Literally every single anime falls into one of those two save slice of life stuff like Azumanga Daioh which is just focused on regular living so not much use for symbolism.

>>215193259
>how does that relate to the Bible
Literally nothing beyond the words/names and some imagery, nothing about it is biblically or theologically or historically accurate.

It's like if I made a show using names from LotR, like I called characters Frodo and Gandolf and whatnot, and had an organization named "The Fellowship of the Ring", but none of it actually had anything to do with LotR, it was a totally different story in a different universe

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Asuka is best girl.

>>215193218
>What you are seeing right now is Lilith, who is crucifixed so it doesn't regenerate.
No, that's Adam

>>215195204
that's not how you spell Misato

>>215195179
It's theologically accurate to Kabbalah.

>>215195261
Why don't you actually watch the show?

>>215195283
I literally just watched the episode last night where misato gets drunk with Kaji and at the end of the episode Kaji breaks into terminal dogma and shows misato this crucified thing, and they call it Adam.

>>215195338
You should finish the show.

>>215193259
in universe they based christian religions and the seele cult off of the dead sea scrolls which were basically user manuals for the black/white moons (the ships for the races) which led to all the christian iconography and naming conventions similarities

basically in universe christianity is a pan spermia based cult based on an an alien user manual

on another note though, clearly the FAAR (the original aliens) are basically godlike beings, seeing as they can create something like super rei and merge all souls into one, so the cross iconography ect might have some real direct metaphysical link to the after life ect

>>215193546
>depressed anxious piece of shit loner and NOTHING ELSE
yea its totally about nothing else, not giant monsters attacking tokyo or a secret government death cult and (hot girls)

>>215193710
see
>>215195408

>>215195408
>in universe they based christian religions and the seele cult off of the dead sea scrolls which were basically user manuals for the black/white moons (the ships for the races) which led to all the christian iconography and naming conventions similarities
>
>basically in universe christianity is a pan spermia based cult based on an an alien user manual
Where does the show say that Christianity exists in their universe? I don't remember that ever being demonstrated.

>>215195467
i think the two main things are
1. misato's cross necklace
2. we briefly see asukas mothers funeral in what looks like a christian church

i think to assume that there is ZERO christianity within eva is crazy, seeing as without christianity, the entire planet would look drastically different by the time the series took place.

>>215195467
>Where does the show say that Christianity exists in their universe?
The Magi system is named after the three wise men.

>Shinji's father was abusive.
>Lets him pilot a giant fucking mecha and be one of the small handful of people who don't need to be helpless against Angels.
>Present him with a cloned yamato nadeshiko of a girlfriend that lives and breathes to take his cock.
>Has him share lodgings with an alcoholic nympho adult that will jump his cock as soon as he asks for it.
>To seal the deal and cover all bases throws in a pretty femboy who wants to inhale Shinji's cock AND a firebrand redhead foreigner to explore their sexuality together.

Truly, Shinji has a difficult life.

>>215195526
1. There are crosses everywhere, that doesn't mean Christianity exists. Crosses aren't just Christian, not even in our world, and even less so in NGE world. There are crosses when angels explode/die for example, that doesn't prove that Christianity exists.
2. The church is better evidence, but it's certainly possible that it was a church for some other religion.

I guess I just always assumed that NGE takes place in an alternate reality where Abrahamic religions don't exist, but instead all of these words and symbols from these religions are used in different ways with different meanings.

>>215195566
Adam is named after Adam from the Bible, but clearly isn't the Adam from the Bible. Angels are named after messengers of God from the Bible, but clearly aren't the messengers of God from the Bible.

>>215195606
i think thats a fine interpretation but i like the idea of christianity being falsely built and spread by early seele members who found the dead sea scrolls, ultimately culminating to their descendants executing their plan of instrumentality thousands of years later

>>215195634
But they're named for them, which means the thing for which they were named does exist.

>>215195634
they have their respective names from the dead sea scrolls which is basically an instruction manual from the FAAR, they didnt ape the names from the bible and apply it to the angels, it was the other way around

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>>215195265
>misato
lol lmao even

>>215194238
>>215194337
don't listen to the other guy lmao eva is a landmark anime and despite some truth about its flaws the cool setpieces are absolutely worth it(and end of evangelion especially)
rebuilds can be ignored

>>215195753
that's because you're a redditor

>>215194224
>>215194567
This. Also watch Eureka Seven instead. If you're going to relate to whiny anime protagonists, make it the one who mans up and gets the girl. Stop wallowing and grow.

>>215195865
>y-you're reddit
the eternal cope of the eva pleb

>>215195865
and you're a larping christcuck who takes offense at the idea of christianity being fake and built on a lie within the frame of a fictional story

to be clear i respect christianity in our world but in the context of eva it only makes sense to assume it has some of its roots from the dead sea scrolls and the evil death cult that treats it like their bible

>>215195927
I not anon, take offense on the consequences of considering it fake, if it said in the dead sea scrolls that the people from Jordan took water from the river as there was no other water source, then you should consider such as truth, if you think the only thing it has to be real to earn your "respect" is omnipotence then you are up to a rude religious awakening

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>people still don't know that Evangelion's christian imagery is exclusively aesthetic, and that its actual subtext is based on Jung and Freud

It's been like 30 years jesus chirst.

>>215195987
>he doesn't know what Kabbalah is
LMAO, retarded fucking pseud.

>>215196007

Which is also all equally superficial and holds no actual relevance to the characters or their motivations.

NGMI

>>215196039
Completely wrong, not that I expected any less from a pseud.

>>215196007
>pseud
Back to /lit/ with you. I'm sure there is a thread where marxists are getting btfo and they desperately need your shitposts to turn the tide

>>215196048
>doesn't explain why

Glad I won this profoundly short debate instantly, though I take no joy in it.

>>215196072
If you needed me to hold your hand you only needed to ask, pseudy.
The driving motivation for the characters is the hedgehog's dilemma laid out in episode 2.
The end goal for Kabbalah (and SEELE) is the unification of everything into a single consciousness.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm how does this relate.......? Come on, you can get it. Put your thinking cap on and try reeeeaaaaal hard now!

>>215193242
>send out seven seeds of life into the universe
>managed to land two on the same planet

Hope someone got fired for that blunder

>>215195979
i am unsure of the point you are making

>>215193454
but you just proved his point, that the japs saw something and thought it was 'cool' and copied it, thats it. the fucking story doesnt have anything to do with the bible and ive read the bible.eve is not adams clone btw, you jackass.

>>215193496
such is life, a real life, anon

>>215196007
>>215196048
NTA but every retard I've ever read online who uses the term pseud has done so to mask their own insecurity. If you were less of a faggot you'd find more satisfaction in doing that kind of exegesis in the classics, not the regurgitation of what >>215194224 mentioned, which is all Eva is. Well, that and the reason it's popular, which is because it's incredibly horny.

>>215193336
QBL is literally a mystery tradition you retard, the Creator was making fun of you when he said that it was a mystery.
Holy fuck you retards are so ignorant that you will have the carrot dangled in front of you and still claim that it's out of reach

>>215193575
>Japs love Western religious and esoteric symbolism and just mindlessly use it in things like anime and video games (Shin Megami Tensei is a perfect example) because it looks cool.
I think, it may work both ways

>>215195828
In real life, the Dead Sea Scrolls are literally just manuscripts of biblical books, recovered from the remains of a monastic sect of pre-Christian Judaism.

You're missing the point. Stuff in NGE uses words related to Abrahamic religion in the real world, but in the world of NGE these words refer to totally different things. You guys need to stop assuming associations between what NGE calls something, and what we call something IRL, because they are not the same, they're talking about completely different things

>>215196141
Don't care, I'm tired of ignorant redditors popping into every Eva thread to say
>heh, it doesn't mean ANYTHING you idiots... you'd know that if you were smart like me

It is impossible to understand the story of Evangelion just by watching them. The things that motivate the plot are simply not in the show or the movies.

>>215196088
>The end goal for Kabbalah (and SEELE) is the unification of everything into a single consciousness.

Yes that's the motivation of the antagonist, none of which bears any relevance to any of the imagery used.

And literally all the other characters, they also exist. Did you forget them?

>>215195634
>Adam is named after Adam from the Bible, but clearly isn't the Adam from the Bible.
Because it is Adam Kadmon from Jewish Kaballah

>>215196201
It's not that it means nothing, it's that it's slapped together from little real understanding and effectively vibes retards like you into thinking there's more thought than there is. This is beyond obvious but whatever.

>>215196228
>none of which bears any relevance to any of the imagery used.
Thanks for admitting you know exactly nothing.
>And literally all the other characters, they also exist. Did you forget them?
No, maybe you missed the part where the show talked about the hedgehog's dilemma? Maybe you missed where I mentioned it in my post? Or maybe you're just so bafflingly stupid and incapable of following a story that you don't know how the dilemma applies to the protagonists? Which is it, pseudy?

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>>215196228
>Yes that's the motivation of the antagonist, none of which bears any relevance to any of the imagery used.
Nigger a giant Sephiroth appears when Instrumentality begins.

>>215196317
>little real understanding
I don't think anyone knowledgable on the subject would say Eva references philosophy, theology, or psychology haphazardly. Take the Hedgehog's Dilemma for instance, its a concept from Schopenauer and its not in one of his major works, its from one of his journals.

>>215194720
>>215194834
Ya'll haven't even watched the show rofl

>>215196958
Grabbing a simpler concept from a compilation like Parerga and Paralipomena as opposed to a more complete work is exactly what I would expect of someone less knowledgeable. It is in fact what drew him attention after a lifetime of being ignored.
>Described by Schopenhauer himself as 'incomparably more popular than everything up till now'

>>215197079
it's y'all* you stupid nigger retard lobotomite tranny deformed goycattle bitch slave cuck asshat

>>215193632
I already told you. There is not a deeper significance. They took these elements, understood their symbolism, and used them in a completelly new way. If you understand these christians elements, you will understand the general worldbuilding better.
>>215193710
I already told you. Some of them are superficial, but most aren't.

If you stopped a minute and read the previous posts, you wouldn't be making these questions.

If I remember correctly some hentai anime having chicks with dicks also had detailed chiristian symbolism

dunno, maybe japs think christcuckery is a cool religion