>be le superman.>be in a courthouse that spontaneously combust.>didn't see the bomb because he wasn't paying attention.>completely understandable.>bomb causes concussion damage, with fire incinerating anything around it.>doesn't bother to suck up the oxygen around the area for 10-20 seconds or use freeze-breath to put the fire out.I mean objectively, he would have at LEAST mitigated the rest of the damage to people or the surrounding area by doing this but he decides to stand there and make an ambivalent looking expression conveying regret? Imagine being in a survivable range from the blast rate but die from the burn injuries and and smoke inhalation. Imagine standing back there burning, waiting for superman to put your ass out as you watch him stand there and look up at the sky.Fuck.
>>215203530I think the point of the scene was that everyone in the immediate area died instantly and Superman couldn't do anything to stop it, but then again I do not have autism
Why didn't he super smell the jar of piss though
>>215203544That’s weird, given all the wounded people shown after
>>215203544The point of the scene was to aura farm
>>215203530 A detached superhuman being framed for an explosion. Where have I seen this before?
>>215203552Maybe he thought it was coming from the colostomy bag of the guy in the wheelchairMore likely Snyder didn't think it through
>>215203530Supes didnt have freeze breath until after he was resurrected by the motherbox, it added that power.Not gonna debate your other nitpicking points because other nitpickers like you dont apply the same level of scrutiny to the Snyder version that you do for other media portrayals.
Ah, this thread again...
>>215203632Comparing a giant stupid monster to a room full of people? Just say you’re brown
>>215203632Why the new Superman didn't do anything despite having plenty of time and even using his super-senses?
>>215203649One wasn't aware of what was happening and it happened too fast.The other was paying close attention and had plenty of time to act.
>>215203530Tbh you can apply this to anything Superman related. Crime shouldn’t exist ever, cancer shouldn’t ever be missed or go undiagnosed, etc etc because Superman can, according to feats, prevent or aid in those efforts worldwide in 3 seconds. It’s fir shit like this that Superman media is boring to me, it’s way too contrived when realistically he could and would be able to do everything you said and prevent the tragedyEven him fighting doomsday is retarded, comics or movies. One punch and he should be flying out of the solar system, or explode in a bloody paste, or the concussive effects at least would wipe out a continent at a time like a giant thunderclap
>>215203651He didn't want to kill the thing
>>215203603There is nothing detached about that Superman, if anything his flaw in that movie was that he was too involved.
>>215203570Come on now. An explosion will have a limited blast area, with differing levels of damage. The people closest to the explosion died instantly. As we move away from the origin point, various levels of bodily damage will occur. The farther away you get, the less damage to the body. The people being saved were father away from the blast or were behind structures that inhibited the blast's inertia.
>>215203544Firstly, if the scene played out properly, Superman's ears would be ringing like a million Notre Dame bells for a few seconds. Again, understandable. But fuck, where is your sense of urgency? I remember in the comics where Joker kills robin, there's a scene where Joker gases an entire TV studio in an attempt to kill everyone. Superman just happened to be in the audience and sucked up the gas. Why would he not immediately shake it off and properly respond to the immediate danger or aftermath? I dunno.. the scene in that other superman movie where he saves a squirrel from getting smashed made me thing about his priorities. I don't know what Cavil's superman was thinking. kek>Not gonna debate your other nitpicking points because other nitpickers like you dont apply the same level of scrutiny to the Snyder version that you do for other media portrayals.lol I lurk and never participate in shit that goes down here. I do not care about which superman you prefer and your feelings get hurt if someone finds fault in your favorite movie.I just know, superman was more superman in Gunn's film, from a casual perspective who grew up with 70 years worth of superman stuff.
>>215203675Yes, we are all aware of that. That's precisely the point and the problem.Despite claiming to not want to kill the monster he just stood there doing nothing but watching while the other hero killed the monster for him. And all he did afterwards was just softly complain under his breath.
>>215203683>I dunno.. the scene in that other superman movie where he saves a squirrel from getting smashed made me thing about his priorities. I don't know what Cavil's superman was thinking. kekSee >>215203632. He had plenty of time to act. Why didn't he save the monster despite claiming to not wanting the monster dead? Where was his sense of urgency there?
>>215203679It’s same fucking movie but ass. Just replace Dr Manhattan for Superman, Rorschach for Batman, Ozymandias for Lex, Silk Spector for Wonder Woman, giant space squid monster for Doomsday
>>215203544Isn’t he faster than a speeding bullet?
>>215203696not wanting to kill it doesn't mean you're going to bust your ass to save it, especially when the overriding concern was to minimize the threat it posed
>>215203632lol what a horrible comparison. Gunn's superman did not want to start fighting his metahuman colleagues in front of civilians on how to handle a giant monster attacking the city. The others were already taking care of the situation anyways.Snyder's superman had no help and had no other metahumans in his way to take care of IMMEDIATELY take care of the post explosion damage. Explain a legitimate reason why he stood there and made a face instead of helping?
>>215203731>Why didn't he save the monster despite claiming to not wanting the monster dead? Where was his sense of urgency there?see >>215203740
>>215203603>>215203679Exactly, BvS explicitly portrayed people as screeching because of Supes "acting unilaterally", and he was stuck between a rock and a hard place trying to deal with 2 sides of humanity, one side that seeks to demonize him and one that seeks to worship him.
>>215203683Why would he not immediately shake it off and properly respond to the immediate danger or aftermath?The movie showed him responding to the aftermath. Did you even watch the movie?
>>215203731He's ok with killing it albeit in a quicker manner. This is a stupid comparison. If you want a stronger point complain why Superman was ok with letting UltraMan die (tho I doubt he's actually dead) vs killing Zod at the end of Man of Steel
>>215203775So let em burn. Not very superman, but thank you for pointing that out.
>>215203739So he is a hypocrite? >>215203740So he didn't do anything because not convenient? What a great hero.>>215203781>(tho I doubt he's actually dead)Why? Because you want to excuse that version of the character?
>>215203732It's symmetry. Poetry rhymes.
>>215203813Falling into an interdimensional black hole sounds like he might be leading to a Bizarro. But I digress, Superman probably thought it killed him anyway
>>215203740>Snyder's superman had no help and had no other metahumans in his way to take care of IMMEDIATELY take care of the post explosion damage.Watch the goddamn movies you complain about.
>>215203530>use freeze-breath tHe only learned this after he died for some reason?
>>215203780Most of the haters didn't even watch the Ultimate Edition.
>>215203844>like he might be leading to a Bizarro.What gives you that idea?There are two versions of Bizarro.One a clone and the other an alien creature from another dimension.The clone version never goes through any blackholes.
>Authorities say the phoney Superman can be identified by his constant aura farming and complete disregard for human life.
I don't like how both auraman and inbredman don't really do much to avoid people's death, inbredman is perfectly okay with world leaders being killed and will actively work with the ones who do so and auraman will let buildings collapse while fighting zod
>>215203884The difference is that Snyder's version was a rookie learnings things in an unforgiven world.Gunn's version is well-tested and experienced hero with three years under his belt that prior to the movie never lost a fight. That's what that ridiculous prologue told us in plain text.
>>215203918Even still, a younger naive clark wouldn't take it to the city, he wouldn't dodge for collateral damage, it feels irresponsible to him and there isn't much of a moment where he realizes this in man of steel, he only laments killing zod but doesn't have that moment to pay back metropolis for leaving it in that state, the zod fight takes way too much time out of the film to see much of the aftermath or how clark thinks of this and works to remedy it. Meanwhile bvs competes the time to show it with bruce and the fight with him and doomsday
>>215203980You say this but in the recent movie all the fights happen in the goddamn city and you've tons of destruction because that's what is visually interesting and cool. It's just that Gunn, in his attempt to placate the fanboys, have everyone magically get rescue or be safe. Take the scene where he goes to save the squirrel. We see things getting destroyed left and right while Superman is going for the little guy, but of course you don't see anybody getting hurt.
>>215204030Yeah, that's also bad
>>215203980Several moments we see Clark trying to take Zod out of the city or to the sky, with Zod pushing Superman back having complete control of the flow of the fight.
>>215204048The first thing Clark does is take Zod out of an open field into the city
>>215203874Gunn is known for taking liberties with characters. Bizarro one doesn't seem far fetched and it combines both his orgins together
>>215203884> perfectly okay with world leaders being killed and will actively work with the ones who do so Nice assumption jeet. We never saw Superman with the Justice Gang at the end of the movie. In Peecemaker season 2 we see that The Gang has been fired and has new sponsor who doesn’t them killing people and why they reject Peacemakers application. You also don’t see Superman with them and they are likely recruiting because he isn’t working with them.
>>215204062How many years are we going to go back and forth on this? 2 Superpowered beging flying around and punching each other, there's gonna be collateral damage no matter where it occurs.
>>215204062He only did that when he found Zod holding his mother. He lost his shit. Then he regretted because it drove them straight to Smallville center.The whole movie is showing what a rookie Superman is, how limited he can be (this is unironically a fucking plot point showing that he'll have to trust the military to help him because he isn't as fast or as capable to be at two places at the same time), that his good intentions are often turned against him, and so on.Basically following Zack Snyder's philosophy that every action has a reaction, and everything has consequences, and things are not easy. He wants to deconstruct the tropes and show that when, for example, Batman hits someone on the head, he might kill a person.
>>215204095Either way, right now, as it is, that nigga was thrown into a blackhole and anything else not shown in the movie is mere cope/speculation.
>>215204119I don't see a problem if he fights somewhere empty as opposed a giant city with living peoplehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xlgq3dPcOBE>>215204125I think that's just bad for clark because he has every degree of freedom to attack him, and he drives zod into the city and ends up using the same city as fodder to hurt him, he could attack from any angle, strike him anywhere, and he chose there, this is something that just isn't resolved until he decides to snap his neck
>>215204164The point of that scene is that Superman, in his anger, saw red and pushed Zod without thinking.Yes, Superman was in the wrong. That is the point.The movie is constantly pointing out, through visuals or plain text, how often Superman is misguided or clumsy, or in the wrong. This even even in BvS or ZSJL.
>>215203632In that situation, he still acted to break the fall of the dead monster and prevent further death or damage.If he had rushed inside the monster's mouth to try and stop the drones, and they explode anyway, he's now not poised to easily prevent any further destruction.
>>215204189I know, and I think that's just not something superman would do, at most, he sulks about it in bvs and at worse he dies in bvs
>>215204219So he stood and watched the monster be killed?
>>215204222Dies defending the world facing a monster of his creation, even if by proxy, a dark version of himself.
>>215204119Guess what, a guy from another planet that flies around in a cape with super powers isn’t realistic. Go watch Batman if you want that. There are plenty of evil destructive Superman knock offs you can go watch. From Homeland to Omni Man. Cavillman would’ve made a good OmniMan
>>215204164What do you even want? For Snyder to go back and re-do the movie so nobody gets hurt? You already have that in Gunn's Superman, which is a re-hash of the plots of MoS and BvS.Also, in life, people may plan for things to go a certain way, but can easily go to shit because of factors outside of your control. What do you do when things don't go the way you planned them? Do you screech endlessly or do you step back and try to understand why they happened?
>>215204295>Also, in life, people may plan for things to go a certain way, but can easily go to shit because of factors outside of your control. What do you do when things don't go the way you planned them? Do you screech endlessly or do you step back and try to understand why they happened?That's precisely the theme of BvS.
>>215204295What? No I already said I don't like Gunn, I just think that snyder's superman is very flawed, doesn't feel much like superman and has little time for character evolution>What do you even want?Another good Superman movie would be nice
>>215203632>giant evil monster = a hundred innocent human beingsbrown people are so weird man
>>215204294If you want a movie with no stakes, go watch a Marvel movie. Theres like 30 of them at this point. Even the Supes cartoon had destruction like MoS. It's not about realism, it's about a movie having its own internal logic. Superman fighting his evil counterpart in Zod will ultimately result in collateral damage. It would break the internal logic of MoS and it's themes were there to be no real stakes and no real threat to human life.
This is when you tell me that the old cartoons sucked as well because they were made by Batman fanboys.
>>215204373> Supes cartoon had destruction like MoS.Batman fangirls need to stay the fuck away from Superman.
>>215204898Ah here it is. Snyder haters reaching back nearly 30 years to rewrite history and gaslight everybody in order to "win". The animated series escalation from Batman to Superman to Justice League was a huge success that everybody liked. Miss me with these lies.
>>215203530Snyder thought that a realistic Superman would be like Dr Manhattan. He simply didn't understand the character
>>215203530Why are you doing mental gymnastics? It's not that complicated.
>>215205703He's nothing like Doctor Manhattan.
>>215205703>invincible character is boring >give character psychological struggles to make it interesting>cry about it
>>215203530isn't the whole lead-lined wheelchair thing- a material too dense for superman to see through -supposed to illuminate how powerless he feels when humans are constantly killing each other around him?and yet they blame him for not doing enough.
>>215203740>Snyder's superman had no help and had no other metahumans in his way to take care of IMMEDIATELY take care of the post explosion damageThat's exactly what the MOS-BS-JL arc was trying to set up, that Superman needed help and he was destined to team up with other heroes to eventually fight Darkseid
