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>I'll fuck the bad boy, and the weird girl Will fuck the jock, and you Brian, go sit in the corner and write our essay you pathetic little dicked virgin nerd, btw we'll ignore you come Monday because you aren't cool
No but seriously, what the fuck was their problem?
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The jock might have nodded his head to Brian when he walked past him in the hallway one time after that.
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>>215251482
This was really blackpilling, did people really find it endearing back then?
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If you put Don't Forget About Me anywhere in your media it just becomes an uplifting super wholesome classic regardless of what it's about.
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>>215252122
i prefer Simple Minds' earlier work tbqh.
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>>215251482
According to Hughes, how the five of them would have turned out:
Brian becomes a tech billionaire with a bimbo trophy wife. He dies in his 40s due to stress from running such a large company.
Alison becomes a suburban housewife and mom that has to work.
Claire becomes a suburban housewife and mom that doesn't have to work.
Andy gets injured while wrestling in college. He gets fat and owns a local construction business.
Bender dies in prison.
He also noted that Alison's clothes that she wears after the makeover were her own clothes that she was hiding under her layers of dark, baggy clothes. I've never seen him say what that means.
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Everything has a place and everything in it's place.
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If the Breakfast Club were made today.
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>>215252962
This is somehow both cruel and overly judgmental. Uniquely hateful and disparaging of almost every type of life
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>>215251482
If you're being generous, you could say that the nerd is happier having any friends at all, and that it's at least an improvement over his lot in life before. It doesn't matter that everyone else pairs off if he at least got some people to talk to
I wonder if this is something John Hughes legitimately thought about at all, and he intentionally didn't make him get laid to try and keep the movie from seeming overly sentimental or hackneyed, or if in his boomer brain it just made sense that the pencilnecked geek would obviously just end up being used for labor, and receive tepid tolerance in return
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>>215251482
Realest high school drama ever made, a rare bittersweet proto-blackpill movie.
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>>215253069
John Hughes is a narcissist and all his work is completely misanthropic without him knowing it
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John Hughes was the voice of America. Good, bad or indifferent.
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>>215252122
What if you don’t use any dananas?
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>>215252064
>did people really find it endearing back then
Yes
It's touching because it peels back the mandatory facade of school life and shows that people from different cliques can find common ground, but it's inevitably back to business as usual when detention is over because that's how life is

The one exception being Bender who refuses to conform and will end up a nobody just like the principal says. Great movie
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>>215251482
>baby boomer making movies for gen X teens
Perfection.
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I dont think anyone really changes except Allison. And I dont think its a coincidence that she only changes at the very end. Implying it might be very brief and fleeting. That she's simply trying it. And I feel like thats actually overtly implied.
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>>215253028
In interviews after the movie was made, Hughes was consistently negative about Bender. Far more negative than what seems reasonable with how the character was portrayed. I have to wonder if his conflicts with Nelson during the filming of the movie colored his view of the character.
The outcomes for Claire and Alison seem pretty reasonable. For Andy, injured or not, there's not much of a career path for wrestling beyond college. Being a local business owner is a good outcome for him. As for Brian, it wasn't an unreasonable assumption that someone with a personality as passive as his would end up over his head trying to run a large corporation. It's interesting that Anthony Michael Hall would go on to play Bill Gates in 'Pirate of Silicon Valley' as Gates sounds like what Hughes had in mind. Perhaps he had already seen that movie by the time he was asked about the life outcomes of the characters. Giving Brian a trophy wife instead of the hag Bill married was generous.
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>>215253069
Brian had friends, they were other nerds like him. Even if on Monday he wasn't included in the social circle of the two popular kids, it was still a valuable experience for him to get insight into them as people and to see that the grass wasn't emerald green on their side of the fence. It would be easier to accept his life in the nerd clique if he's not envious of the world the popular kids live in.
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>characters are teenagers
>mock each other for being virgins

in america if you don't get laid by 15 do people think you're a loser?
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>>215251482
Coincidentally Anthony Michael hall is the only aryan in the cast
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>>215251482
Worst makeover in movie history.
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>>215253380
I call it disparaging because i get the feeling Hughes thinks these are all bad outcomes. He would probably call it ‘humbling’ but the lessons in all his movies are extremely judgmental and and cynical towards the type of people he’s accusing. Study in school and resent the bully threatening you into doing your homework? Well, sure it might get you a good nerd job, but heh, you’ll actually die at 40 because you know money isn't everything :P. Too introverted and stressed out to fully navigate success? In fact lets have the main character stop the movie every 15 minutes to repeatedly explain that guy’s a sad pathetic loser and pontificate on how he will actually never find love. I appreciate the strict messaging, but Hughes clearly aligns himself with ‘the winners’ and then immediately gets selfish and cruel over what would otherwise be a very social and productive message. He’s the ultimate in boomer ‘just world’ ranting. Okay dad, you’re right, if i had worked that extra shift i would have that extra $80 I need right now, but you're being a fucking stupid blowhard by taking it as a chance to say ill always be poor with that attitude and ranting about how you never took a sick day in the 80s. He takes a good point and just brutalizes the people who need to hear it with extra bullshit
Also the idea of a goth wearing a second set of bright clothes under their dark ome, is just bluntly stupid and a total clueless denial that styles or cliques actually do exist
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>>215251482
Why didn't Hughes put 3rd girl in the movie? Would be wholseome, maybe have her be a dumb redneck girl with a heart of gold
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John Hughes' worst movie, quite overrated
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>>215253457
In 6th grade i literally had an 11 year old fujoshi with proud yellow fever hit me on the head and call me a virgin for catching her in class with NarutoxSasuke yaoi
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>>215253457
Yeah
Some people get laid that early, a good number of them don't, but there's a clear pressure from everyone to seem like you fuck and know what you're talking about. Saving yourself for marriage hasn't been a thing people boast about since the 40s
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>>215253706
It's literaly his best movie
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>>215253772
cinematically deficient moron
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>>215253380
>>215253680
one has to keep in mind that at heart hughes was a quiet reagan era republican. deep down he liked and loved the conformist middle class values of american suburbia. while he could portray misfits and outcasts sympathetically that doesn't mean he fully accepted their values.
the only weird future prediction with that in mind is of brian, though even then it's more a moment of dark humor at the last moment
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>>215253680
Alison didn't have a clique.
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>>215253865
He had a weird side too in that the movie originally had a raunchy teen comedy portion to it that Ally Sheedy and Molly Ringwald convinced him to cut out. There was an adult woman, Karen Leigh Hopkins, cast as the swim coach, who was meant to give the teens advice as she came to visit them during the day. The boys were scripted to drill a hole in the locker room wall to watch her change clothes, sort of like in Porky's.
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>>215254076
Molly Ringwald sounds like such an ungrateful miserable cunt. She criticised Hughes after he died when his movies are the only reason anybody knows who she is.
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>>215253738
What I never got is that this is what people do and talk about a lot, but in the professional world everyone has to pretend that they don’t have sex. It’s made a lot worse nowadays because of all the shit you can get for saying the wrong thing at work
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>>215253865
They're basically decent nostalgia/coming of age movies where the director constantly and aggressively belittles nerds because that’s his way of life. To the point of it being a total distraction. I know its a film but Ferris Bueller really takes constant breaks from his great day to think about how much of a loser his friend is, and to tell him. Its not like he’s some fun-loving and caring guy, he’s kind of like a social parasite isnt he
Also that scene where they focus on the Pointillism at the museum pisses me off. Its like a sarcastic ‘arent we so silly for actually going to a boring museum’ scene, to me
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>>215254203
> in the professional world everyone has to pretend that they don’t have sex.
I dont find this to be true
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his movies feel unauthentic to me, I don't Hughes actually had much of a social life in highschool
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>>215251482
Why is the jock a manlet?
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>>215253028
>Hughes
homeschooled alien trying not to bejudgemental of those who he deems "normies", for a second

it was common back then amongst progressive filmmakers to have a contrast between the tone of the film and the epilogue credits
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Brian was the cutest one.
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>>215253380
>Perhaps he had already seen that movie by the time he was asked about the life outcomes of the characters.
So Robert Zemeckis wasn't only Hollywood boomer time traveler making comedies?
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>>215254103
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/personal-history/what-about-the-breakfast-club-molly-ringwald-metoo-john-hughes-pretty-in-pink
>nooo i can't watch it with my teenage daughter because Hughes was a bit sleazy!!!

tbqh, it's an interesting article.
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>>215252962
>Bender dies in prison.
Is that fucking true? I understand that he was a wayward youth, but THAT'S the conclusion Hughes give to his character in his mind? He doesn't get redeemed or learn anything at all?
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Haven't watched this, do they even eat breakfast?
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>>215255000
it's actually the name of the club, like the cane in Citizen Kane.
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>>215255090
Like a sausage egg and cheese on toast but with extra slice in the middle, and a decorative toothpick
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>>215255152
nah. John Hughes wanted the sandwich in there, but he couldn't get the rights.
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>>215254836
Not sure I get what you're trying to communicate. Hughes died a decade after Pirates, so he could have made those comments anytime during that decade. Sorry if that wasn't what you were getting at but it's my best guess as to your point.
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>>215251530
And he then said "Don't you... forget about me."
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>>215254958
Hughes was quite hostile about Bender when speaking about the character. The movie tries to give him a sympathetic reason for being the way he is and gives some hope that he might be able to change. Weird that Hughes put that in the movie but then seemed to hate the character.
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>>215255000
No. They do eat lunch though. Allison does eat a Capn' Crunch sandwich.
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Do American high schools really give you detention ON A SATURDAY? They literally steal a chunk of your limited youth's freedom because you got punished at school?
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>>215251482
you have to watch the sequel for the satisfying revenge of the nerd. he gets the emo chick in the end.
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>>215255350
In the 80s, now if you misbehave you get a diagnosis that allows teacher to inject drugs into you.
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>>215255350
A teacher tried to give me after school detention once but my dad threatened to come to the school and shoot him if he tried it
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>guys we just had a formative bonding experience and became quick friends, we know eachother now better than we know anyone else, okay? So lets make ABSOLUTELY SURE to permanently terminate our new friendship and pretend we’ve never met, because it would VIOLATE THE NATURAL ORDER if, say, a guy who’s dad hits him hung out with wrestler kid. Or if i didnt beat you up and make you do my homework. Or if these two girls were just like… friends. My name is John Hughes and basic relationships are not only fundamentally unalterable, but whatever shit i’ve got a habit of doing and however the fuck i decide to treat people, especially based on assumed peer pressure, is not just the truth but is actually my and your complete social destiny. The idea i might be moved in any way by actions, reality, or time, is a fucking error that needs to be reversed. You get cigarettes put out on you. Youre a girl, stop having bangs. You get punched, by me. Now, because i said so, all of you go back to before.
Really fucked up autistic movie really
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>>215255479
it's how teenagers act thoever.
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>>215255248
i mean tbf most ne'er-do-wells end up that way SOMEHOW. been through a few addiction groups/clinics now, met plenty of people who have (knowingly) done awful things. it's actually given me more faith in humanity rather than some black-and-white "fuck 'em" mindset.
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>>215255510
Maybe it's different in America but people weren't that attached to their cliques when I was in school
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>>215255510
For the most part it isnt.
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A better epilogue would be:
>jock and popular girl get together, live a happy affluent life
>nerd and weird girl get together, live a happy middle-class existence in suburbia
>Bender gets his life together in college now that he's finally free from his father's influence, becomes an inspirational high school teacher himself
Was that so hard, Johnny?
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I was a in jr. high when this came out. I can say with 100% confidence that pretty much no one saw Alison as having betrayed her "identity" nor did they see her as a cool outsider. That's the current generation projecting themselves onto her. She was seen as a sad loner to be pitied. Note that even Bender pretty much never bullies her. Teens who watched the movie when it was released were happy for her when she was able to open herself up to others over the course of the day. It's weird that people watching the movie today get angry that she came out of her shell and connected with others.
Was John Hughes not religious? The question of "What happens on Monday?" was easy for most teens of that era to answer: business as usual. The country was far more religious in the 80s and church attendance was high. Sunday school (or CCD if you're Catholic) was a place where everyone of various cliques had to get along and treat each other with respect. Just because you and the prom queen worked on the same scripture poster on Sunday didn't mean you hung out in school the rest of the week.
Movies play up the clique divides for drama. People generally self segregated into different groups. Physical bullying was usually done by lone wolf types, not by the popular kids. Of course teens will be teens and cruel things could be said about others, but in general, people preferred to stick to their own social circles, which often were fuzzy at the edges.
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>>215255571
it is. teenagers are stupid and emotional.
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>>215255248
You can be sympathetic with a character and want for them to be better and know they can't escape the rigged cycle
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>>215255479
Isn't that what /tv/ preaches in every thread?
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>>215255350
Schools have elaborate behavioral correction systems now to deal with all manner of court rulings, Department of Education mandates, and current disciplinary theories. Something as crude and basic as detention would only be used for minor infractions. Brian got off very easy by current standards. Today bringing a flare gun to school likely would have ended up with criminal charges against him.
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>>215255350
i'm British and my Catholic secondary school (2000s) had Saturday detentions. but they were phasing them out because the TEACHERS didn't want to do that shite.

then they brought in a system where you could attend Mass rather than copy the rules out on a lunchtime/evening. so there'd be 3-4 swot kids who were genuinely church-y, then 30 or 40 rough kids who were avoiding detention.
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>>215255581
>That's the current generation projecting themselves onto her
Yeah, I think you’re right because the original idea for the character was supposed to be even crazier and grosser than the result we got in the movie. Like a house cat lady but in high school. But, in a movie that’s character heavy they couldn’t make 1 of the 5 one nobody would like so they had to dial it down a few notches
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>>215251482
Brian learned to not bring a flare gun next time
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>>215251482
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZjK6dnZcFk

This is the most based scene of any movie. A white man playing basketball and saying “scholarsheeeip” openly mocking niggers and the way they talk. We will never have it this good again.
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>>215253687
Because he's full of hate
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>>215252122
It's 2025. Get over that stupid song
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>>215256183
>Stop listening to classic music goy. Stop it now and listen to current music
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>>215256227
exactly. why listen to catchy old love/pop songs when you have gems like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m50keINEOI
>Forgive me, it sounds cocky
>He dick-matized me and opened my eyes
>Redwood tree, it ain't hard to see
>His love was the key that opened my thighs
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>>215256227
>>215256656
Please stop bickering over what is ultimately a Hollywood-commissioned movie track
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I used to think this movie was deep when I was 15 but I just rewatched after 15 years and holy shit all these kids were insufferable, like get the fuck over yourself, you're still kids
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>>215252962
I think he said that so people will stop asking him. Breakfast Club has so many obsessives, imagine having to answer that question in the first place.
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>>215252122
Zuck ruined that song with the Metaverse commercial. It's forever tainted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BSFpc4YtJU
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>>215254256
Cameron isn’t a nerd, he’s a depressed normie. And Bueller engineered the whole day just to turn his friend’s life around, that’s why he insisted on taking the ONE car that would make Cameron actually confront his asshole father. Bueller is a mythological trickster figure like Coyote or Anasazi the spider. And the point of the pointilism scene is that they have actually stopped to look at the details of life for once instead of just hurrying through it.
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>>215253478
And suffered the most savage of twink deaths
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>>215256834
i mean as you say yourself, it made sense when you were 15. things do just feel loftier and more meaningful.

one of the nice things about psychedelic drugs is they tap back into that sense of wonderment, a bit.
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>>215254256
>Pointillism
I loved the fact that these "cool teens" had the 80s new wave pretentiousness of being "artful" and appreciating art unlike that stuck up principal! It's so blatant and emblematic of that generation, I take it as an anthology demonstration of how people wanted to be perceived back then, in that way, I can find honesty.
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>>215254415
>American Graffeti ending
That shit got me. It was such a fun movie about kids in cars, then
>so and so died by drunk driving
Fuckin Lucas.
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>>215257536
Did you think people lived forever with no consequences?
I wonder what happened to the pharoahs a great bunch of lads (2 mexicans led by a 40year old aryan)
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>>215257536
Interest fact but George Lucas’ testicles were destroyed in a very similar crash, which led him to quit his dream of racing and create a movie more than just partially based on his real experience!
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>>215256834
Being a youth is having vigor and no wisdom. Being an adult is having wisdom but no vigor. Those that hold both are the most powerful.
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>>215256745
Where do you think you are?
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>>215256183
>Now, flavor-of-the-month mumble rap…THAT is music I can get behind
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you saw the nerd and thought he was you. i saw the janitor and knew he was me. we are not the same
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>>215256745
>stop it goy! Stop listening to it, stop talking about old things right now goyim. I don’t want to hear it from you anymore
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>>215258473
The janitor was the most popular kid when he attended that same high school. Is that also the path you took to the custodial arts?
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wew lad
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>>215259417
That was the same buying power as 97,000 in 1984.. damn
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>>215255510
I never experienced anything like this in high school. The "clique" thing seems like a Hollywood invention.
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>>215257536
It's a pretty good epilogue desu, the whole movie is about loss of youth/innocence and coping with it
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>>215259722
how old are you? i'm 33 and there absolutely was cliques. the poor kids didn't hang out with the middle class kids, and they skipped class all the time or smoked pot and cigarettes at break or before school. the myspace hot topic emo/scene/goth kids whatever hung out with each other. the "alpha" tall and athletic guys hung around each other with the more slutty and feminine girls. the unattractive nerds and geeks (generally) hung out with each other. the bullies hung out with each other. the guys who were the most popular with girls usually had mini harems already, the few gay kids we had hung out with the outcast girls and theatre/band kids generally. then there was kids like me who were basically invisible loners absolutely nobody liked or wanted to be associated with.

people were absolutely separated by groups and there was social hierarchies. some were liked by everyone, some were liked by nobody, and some were liked by just their people and hated others. maybe it wasn't the same with zoomies.
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>>215259956
There were jocks who hung out with each other, but they weren't insular or bullies like Hollywood portrays them as. And there were nerds, but again nowhere near the caricatures Hollywood depicts. I was a "nerd" but had no problem socializing with the jocks because I wasn't a sperg.

The point is that the entire premise of The Breakfast Club was totally unbelievable. It's way too over the top.
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>>215259956
>>215260090
To answer your question, I am also 33.
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>>215260090
>The point is that the entire premise of The Breakfast Club was totally unbelievable.
You say that, but the loner girl and Bender were very accurate to life.
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every fucker is 33

t. also 33
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>>215260090
bullies generally were just regular kids who liked being assholes at both the high schools i went to. i basically didn't exist to the popular and attractive kids, it was the kids below them who just enjoyed being mean yes.

>I was a "nerd" but had no problem socializing with the jocks because I wasn't a sperg
alright so you were a normalfag who got good grades. it's clear to me why you didn't really see or notice cliques if you were able to socialize effortlessly. you didn't show weakness or any signs of being "off" or "different" so you weren't made a target or avoided.
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>>215260152
it's a millennial site that will die with an aging majority millennial population.
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>>215251482
I was the president of the chess club in an all boys top private education high school, take that bender
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>>215257536
>>215259844

the most retarded thing is that the movie takes place circa 1960-63 they started shooting the movie in 1971 so lucas was nostalgic about something that happened to him like 7-8 years prior, thats like neggers or someone like that making a movie about how people lived in the long forgotten and arcane years of 2018
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>>215260179
I mostly hung out with other people from honors classes. I'm not saying no one ever gravitated toward certain friend groups. Of course, people who spend more time around each other and have similar interests are more likely to be friends. I'm saying that the idea that there was strict separation between those groups is asinine.
>>215260152
It's a good number
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>>215253457
This became a trope starting with 80s teen movies as a Jewish subversion of society. It wasn't film reflecting reality.
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>>215255392
Why would they bother putting this piece of shit back in theaters? It wasn't good 40 years ago and it won't be good now.
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>>215260500
>I'm saying that the idea that there was strict separation between those groups is asinine.
it sounds like you were a sociable and likable person overall so how would you know if cliques were meaner to some more than others? you aren't able to relate to the situation as an average person. you were extroverted and a honor student, your experience isn't the norm.
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>Brian
>loser nerd virgin
>brings a gun to school

heh, pottery.
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So were proms really a big deal in American High Schools?
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>>215261214
no not really. maybe with gen x and older, but for millennials pretty much nobody gave a shit around here. house parties were seen as more enticing since you could obviously do more.
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>>215261021
I wasn't extroverted at all lol
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>>215261214
only homeschooled and boarding school rich people like hughes, think proms are a big deal
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>>215261188
>immediately write a joke afterward
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>>215261252
sounds like it if you were able to socialize easily.
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>>215252962
should be noted hughes also bandied about the idea of a sequel which almost certainly would deviate from these so I wouldn't put too much emphasis on this as some "canon" ending
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>>215251482
That's what teenagers are like.
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when I was a teenager I was a badass and wore fingerless gloves
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>>215263001
i do this in my 30s, but it's because phones have touch screens innit
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>>215261214
Um YES they are rare official sexual-sponsorship events from THE SCHOOL AND GOVERNMENT THEMSELVES. You have FULL plausible deniability and a state sanction to engage with the opposite sex ROMANTICALLY and sometimes parents give their kids a hundred bucks or pay for a date or get your group a limo or some shit depending on your class level. Prom is based and I STILL REMEMBER THE BLACK GIRL I TOOK TO PROM VERY FONDLY
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>>215257536
I like that Stand By Me removed most of King's epilogue from the book. It's enough to know that Phoenix's character died. Removing the
>Also the other two grew up to be completely worthless scumbag pieces of shit who also died
Was a good choice for preserving the tone.



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