>studios spend half a century and billions of dollars trying to figure out why it was so succesful>it must be the aliens (it isn't)>it must be the jedi (it isn't)>it must be the lightsabers (it isn't)>it must be all the crazy different alien worlds (it isn't)>it must be just the desert planet (it isn't)>it must be inclusivity and diversity against le heccin evil fascists (it isn't)>it must be convoluted plots and superweapons (it isn't)Star Wars was just an extremely accessible ultra simple monomyth farmboy-hero story patterned on samurai-western B movies that didn't take itself too seriously or act like it was some massively important cultural monolith that needed to echo sociopolitical issues. That's the one thing they never tried to do again.
>>215270483I agree with you. And that is why Episode 4 and 5 will always be the best in the franchise.
>>215270483It's all the things you mentioned.
It's time to accept that Lucas was just a genius in the 1970s for a few years and then lost his talent and vision in the 80s while 99% of everyone else in Hollywood is a talentless hack who could never hope to recreate the magic of the original movies. Asking Hollywood to make anything good related to Star Wars again is like asking Lucas to look like he did in the 70s again it's never going to happen.
>>215270483Episode 4 is literally all you need. The rest detracts from its greatness.
Make the female lead a competent action hero who doesn’t wear underwear
>>215270621Bro I just saw your image. That's definitely small Luke.
>>215270483No, it was successful because the 1970s were fucking boring. That's all.
It was a combination of al l the points in the OP, and the perfect casting of the three leads.
>>215270483this. it was always his intention to recreate the western serial adventures he loved as a kid. white hats and black hats etc.
>>215270682ESB is good too, but overrated.
>>215270932The trouble is ESB demands another movie and another. ANH is a self contained story.
It was successful cause of the effects and the light sabers you dumb fuck
>>215270483that and Luke is super easy to self insert into for a kid and it's literally just>the heroic farm boy, turned knight, with the help of a wizard saves the princess from the evil dragon/king but in space
>>215270483It did take itself seriously. That doesnt mean it cant be fun.
>>215270483The OT was normie crack at a time where the visual effects and storytelling was groundbreaking, and it had good merchandising and a dedicated fanbase.Prequels took those dedicated fans and drew in autists with its worldbuilding and lore.Sequels offered neither the spectacle of the OT or the lore of the prequels so appealed to nobody
>>215270556This. Star Wars works on multiple levels.
>>215270621>le saved in the editIt's because for a new hope and empire he had a lot of other experienced film makers working with him telling him he was a fucking retard when he pushed things too far. He's great with coming up with ideas as part of a group but by the time jedi came out he surrounded himself with too many yesmen who wouldn't push back about shit being retarded. Ford and Luke both told stories about them telling Lucas shit was retarded during a new hope
>>215271443And the music and the characters and the world building
>>215271535SW would have been an unremembered sci-flop also-ran if Lucas hadn't been reigned in. You can go and read his early scripts today. They're messes.
>>215270483> Star Wars was just an extremely accessible ultra simple monomyth farmboy-hero story patterned on samurai-western B movies that didn't take itself too seriouslyMandalorian did it and it worked for a whole season
>>215270483Back to the Future captured its essence the best imo
>>215271535that is just filmmaking in general, if your editor and cinematographer are trash even the best ideas are turned into trash, great artists always take input from their crews and george was no different. Without george lucas there is no Star Wars
>>215271597Reminder all nu wars is faggot shit.
The space battles are more important and kind than the gay saber fights. Growing up my friends and I used to make little pillow and blanket fortcockpits and we would fly to fighters or awings around
>>215270513and that's why 4-5-6 will always be the only episodes of the franchise.
George did the filmic equivalent of taking a bunch of lego bricks somebody else made and building a nice house of them. That's not nothing, but it's not everything, either.
>>215270483It's mostly just people having dogshit taste and becoming retarded little manchildren obsessing over children's movies. Nothing is ever going to measure up to manchild nostalgia.
>>215270932ESB suffers from being the middle movie and can't stand on it's own
>>215271535>le saved in the editI literally didn't say that, retard, I just said he lost his talent after the 1970s. 70s George was a genius unlike all other versions of George.
>>215271615I saw Stars Wars before your daddy was a twinkle in your grandpas eye
>>215271517All the prequelshit did is adding midichlorian, making everything about predestination and splitting the force between good force and evil forcethe rest was a rehash of OT lore
>>215271665troon
>>215270483they didn't get it and you also still don't get it. It was harrison ford
>>215271701harrison fnordiykyk
>>215270483Prequels may have some bad sides but they spawned and launched the whole EU into mass culture. If you were growing up in the 90s or 00s Star Wars were around you all the time. As books comics and other physical media, as tv and of course as videogames. You and all your buddies would play kotor, jedi knight/jedi academy and watch tcw. I don't feel that it's the same now. I have a feeling that SW is being consoomed much less in the current days.
>>215271668How did you see star wars 25 years before it came out?
>>215271609This is another reason why the theatrica lcut is 99% of the times better than the DC.A directors is biased toward all the parts he made and would want to add everything. He need an outiside perspective that trims away the fat. Same reason the writer cannot just reread his own freshly written book and needs to hand it down to other people for the final check
>>215271696>troonI'm sure actual trannies hate the OT because it's too White>>215271747>launched the whole EU into mass culture.The original EU books in the 90s came out way before the prequels and were best sellers.
>>215271751director worship is a real, most movies nowadays feel like the cutting room floor was left empty, the average movie is too long, every new release wants to be an epic even when its not
>>215271766Yeah but it was mostly only Thrawn books. The insane amount of new content followed later alongside the prequels or after them.
>>215271535Found the RLM baby. Needed more JJ Abrams, amirite?
>>215271861It wasn't, there were way more books and also comics prior to the year TPM came out. There were even video games and a whole media campaign that came out with Shadows of the Empire, which was like the dry run for TPM
>>215271917Then I remember it incorrectly, probably because I was too young in the early 90s.
>>215271861Half the boys in my class read the jedi academy trilogy and the tales from books, then there was all the shadows of the empire stuff.
>>215270483No.It was the incest.
>>215270556HE DRINK 2 TIME?
>>215271954So why are you running your mouth? It was the special editions which brought star wars back to the forefront of pop culture.
Lucas is a goddamn genius
>>215271996Howso?
>>215272532He made the most culturally significant movie of the last 50 years. Maybe ever.
>>215271609even Kubrick made sure he hired the best crew with which he could collaborate on ideas (which he then took sole credit for)
>>215272669every director does that, thats why most new hollywood directors peaked around the same time, taxi driver was edited by Marcia Lucas and the cinematography was done by Chapman. People should stop fellating directors, the scrutiny that Lucas gets should be applied to all directors
>>215271566And leaving things vague enough to give your own fantasy room to fill in the gaps.
>>215271807That shit happens because with digital you don't pay for film anymore. Before that if you wasted an extra mile of film you had the producer with the biggest feet in the company coming to kick your ass.That and competence crisis
>>215271861quality > quantity
>>215271974That was only bad because it was incest without any wincest
>>215271443But the lightsaber duel in ANH sucked. You're literally proving OP right. Nobody can actually describe what made Star Wars good
>>215273163>But the lightsaber duel in ANH suckedSays you.
>>215270483You're 100% correct. I fear that time is over though. Americana is dead because of liberals. They destroyed any happiness and America.
>>215271535No he didn't? We know what advice his film-making friends gave him and it was almost all shit advice. For instance Francis Ford Coppola thought Lucas should've filmed the first draft (that's the version where Luke Skywalker's a 60 year old general, Han Solo's an alien and so on) and it was Lucas who decided to rewrite and rework it. Matt Robbins and Halbarwood were the ones who told Lucas to introduce Luke earlier because they thought opening the movie following the droids for a bit would allienate the audience. Fucking Brian De Palma thought the Force was "faggy" and tried to convince Lucas to cut the "May the force be with you," line out of the movie entirely. And besides all the people on the crew who disobeyed or tried to tell Lucas "no" (such as John Jympson, Gil Taylor and John Dykstra) all got either fired or replaced for Empire... because, y'know, going around refusing to do what the writer/director tells you to do isn't how fucking movies are made (well good ones anyway, Alien 3 was made like that and we all know how that one turned out.)This isn't to say the prequels are good or anything (godknows I still think Attack of the Clones blows) but I swear Star Wars have invented an entire fictional reality around Star Wars and George Lucas all because they didn't like his later movies. Which is fucking insane because it's literally one of the most well docuemented film productions in history - there are fucking moon landings with less information publicly available on them than we do about the making of A New Hope. Has no one on the internet ever bothered picking a book about any of this?
>>215270973>ANH is a self contained story.It's just Star Wars. The 1977 opening crawl had no chapter or title. ANH is never what it was meant to be called, because despite Lucas's revisionist bullshit there was never a sequel planned, much less a multi-chaptered story.t. mega oldfag who was there in 1977
