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Who was in the wrong? I always place the blame squarely on the parents when children don't turn out well. It's either bad parenting or bad genes or a combination.
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Tiny pecker. They reach critical mass when they find out the average isn't 3 inches hard.
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>>215284340
You think the mom hated her son cause she realized he was a dicklet? That's kind of fucked, cause its her fault for either having dicklet genes from her father, or breeding with a dicklet husband. Shouldn't blame the kid.
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>>215284263
>Keeps him in diapers until he is 7 years old
>Throws him across the room when he shits his diaper
The fuck was this cunt's problem?
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>>215284403
All women hate dicklets at a genetic level.
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>>215284458
If you went from being the main character of your own life, traveling Europe, drinking wine in France and doing La Tomatina in Spain, to having all that taken away from you through a violent penetrative act, you'd feel the same way as her.
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>>215284263
other way around for me, you get gifted a base character with presets you can't tweak much. in a case like this the kid just needs euthanasia, by beating
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>>215284575
Those base presets are inherited though, so she can only blame herself. Even if the kid got them from the father, it's her fault for breeding with a dysgenic man. Why are women incapable of accepting responsibility?
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>>215284614
why was their other kid ok then

didn't think that through did ya
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>>215284263
I still don't understand how the fuck you do a school shooting with a bow. I am unable to conceptualize the logistics of what he did to lock them in the gym and yet somehow wait for them inside the gym alone.
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>>215284263
Book Kevin was legit innocent (of becoming a killer), it's pretty much spelled out Eva was always just insane and probably a sociopath herself. Movie Kevin is more of a 50/50, Eva is seen as a more neutral character with a crazy son.Still, the original book writer and screenwriter still considers him just a weird boy fucked up by his mom afaik.
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>>215284263
She hated and resented him because she didn't want kids and blamed him for her losing her freedom (Kevin destroying her collection is a metaphor for this) instead of accepting responsibility for herself. Kevin's attention seeking destructive behavior comes from her always treating him poorly and never giving him the warmth and forgiveness he needed which she finally gives him in the last scene where she visits him in prison.
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Kevin never recovered from Jellyspotters
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>>215284553
>woman is faced with the consequences of her choices
>gets mad
many such cases!
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>>215284821
/thread
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it's funny how Kevin is an utter shit tier name across all cultures
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>>215284614
The town was right to blame and hate her. Naturally she interpreted justice as being victimized. At least she got to be the main character again.
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New Lynne Ramsay film soon, kino is on the menu.
https://youtu.be/2jzXHW6Qe70
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>>215285544
>soon
I only want to hear about movies I can download and watch right now. "Coming soon" are the two worst words in the english language.
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>>215284553
Only mentally ill selfish cunts think this way. the kind who would have hopefully died giving birth only a hundred years ago.
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What I liked about this movie was they didn't turn it into an anti-gun jerk off. Instead it delves into bad parenting and mental illness.
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>>215284340
three inches is small? this is troubling news...
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>>215286148
All women are like that, it's called postpartum depression. It's like a little death, the part of their life where they're the main character is over.
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>>215286294
Not all women experience that. People once appreciate they could create life. Now it's so plentiful and people able to move around so easily they think they need or deserve to see or fuck everything.
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>>215284263
>I always place the blame squarely on the parents when children don't turn out well. It's either bad parenting or bad genes or a combination.
I'm pretty fucked up. Nothing my parents specifically did made me like this. My brothers and sisters are very well adjusted. I never listened to anything they said. If the parents tried to push me in one direction I'd go in the other. If they left me to my own devices, I'd just wander off in some self-destructive direction wondering why they were just letting me ruin my life. Some people are just doomed.

If one or two variables had been slightly different, it's conceivable that I might have been highly successful. The qualities that make me a fuckup would be advantageous in less concentrated form. But that's like saying I'd have a winning lottery ticket if only a few numbers had been different.

Having children is a roll of the dice. You can tilt the board, but it only goes so far. You get what you get. I know a university professor of mathematics, highly intelligent, with an educated wife. Their adult daughter is profoundly disabled since birth. 2 year olds have a more developed understanding of what is going on around them. Their whole lives revolve around caring for their adult child. Nothing they could have done was ever going to change this child. It's just the hand they were dealt.
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>>215286573
Temperament is heritable and that roll of the dice that might make one kid of the litter mentally unstable or a full blown retard still comes down to the parents genes (dice).
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>>215284553
>traveling Europe, drinking wine in France and doing La Tomatina in Spain
What an ridiculous banal lifestyle.
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>>215284263
The family and school bowing was fucking retarded, just give him a gun ffs
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>>215286462
>Not all women experience that.
It's pretty common. Up to 85% of mothers get the baby blues. https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-prevention/postpartum-mood-disorders-what-new-moms-need-to-know

>>215287756
More banal than changing diapers, preparing lunches, and attending parent teacher meetings?
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>>215287756
I sincerely hate those kinda people that think "taking part in the culture" is something super cool to be doing with your life.
They're always so smug because they went to India and got to see the annual cow dung festival and now are going to senegal eat a traditional dish made of sand and spit. That's not making them any smarter or well rounded.
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>>215287774
That decision probably came from the studios legal department. Like when characters make IED's or drugs, they don't show the audience the actual correct way to do it.
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>>215287902
She was preserving the culture of EVROPA by actively participating in it.
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Been marathoning this for 45 min now. Wow this woman is a bitch. Can't handle the bants from a toddler, gets all butt hurt and rejected when a literal child isn't paying enough attention to her, breaks the kids arm because she didn't potty train him properly.

Do mothers really?
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>>215284700
Could Kevin have been someone elses spawn, switched at birth? He doesn't look like either parent, but given the mothers problems with drinking it could just be fetal alcohol syndrome, which would explain a lot.
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>>215284263
Kevin for using a bow and arrow to commit a mass shooting. Is he stupid?
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>>215284709
iirc he locked the doors from the outside with heavy chains, did some shit to trick a handful of specially picked people to enter through the only open door, locked it behind them, then went to a higher elevation in the gym and shot them like ducks in a barrel
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>>215284263
>We need to talk about Kevin
>Agreed, why does our boy kinda look like a Chinese?
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>>215288674
Bows/crossbows are still legitimate weapons in the modern age. Especially with fire enchanted arrows/bolts.
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>>215288751
>horrible mother also drank during the pregnancy >>215288658
The casting of Kevin was very deliberate.
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>>215288781
Anyone got the webm from LotR where Legolas grinds a shield down a staircase like a skateboard while getting a M-M-M-MEGAKILL!!! 360 noscoping orcs with his bow?
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>>215288424
All the time, even good mothers actually get petty and weird about shit like that (they're just mentally stable enough not to attack a literal baby over it)
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>>215284263
that was a good film.
i blame Kevin.
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>>215288424
The problem with evil women is that simp men let them get away with everything.
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>>215284263
I don’t blame the mother for this particular bad seed turning crazy.
What I do blame her for is not sending him away to boarding school and/or having him institutionalized when it became clear there was no helping him.
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>>215287845
baby blues is caused by hormones, not rational thinking or regretting giving birth.
Depression due to not having babies hits way worse.
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>>215288991
>they're just mentally stable enough not to attack a literal baby over it
Wrong. Ever hear of Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS)? Mothers straight up murder their babies all the time. SIDS usually happens when mothers are alone with the baby, virtually never happens when other people are present, or in the car when the baby is in the back seat and the mom is busy driving.

It's just accepted that mothers some times do that, and it would be more destructive to society to investigate and throw them in jail.

Healthy children dying for no discernable reason should be a top priority for medicine, with funding comparable to cancer research until it's figured out, but instead it's ignored and dismissed as perfectly normal.
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>>215288716
But they show him assembling the bow after he puts the final lock. So everyone just watched him do it? No. They were in the other room somewhere, probably lockers. Hence the problem again: how the fuck did he kill all of them? It's not a gun, and it's not even a compound bow. Just run the fuck out from where you walked in and barricade. What is he going to do? The entire sequence is simply so poorly directed in an attempt to be artsy, showing only the glimmers of what is happening and intercutting with Tilda's "live reaction," that it honestly brings down the movie by a lot. Judging by the town's animosity to her, he must have killed a lot of people. Was it a special needs class?
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>>215289236
I haven't seen the movie so I don't know how they fucked it up, but in the book the gym had two stories and no way for people inside the gym to get to the top, so the victims were sitting ducks while he took his time up top taking pot shots at them
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>>215289188
People in general and especially women are motivated by hormones and emotions more than rational thinking.
A woman doesn't need to be cognizant of why she feels a certain way for the emotion and response to happen. Even university educated women lack the awareness to understand simple concepts like "POV".
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>>215289051
The naivety of simps is for the good of society. If men knew how evil and depraved women were, birthrates would collapse even further.
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>>215289188

Yeah i'm sure you're the expert on that lmao
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>>215289386
Foids are endowed with just enough rationality to be worse mothers than literal beasts.
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>>215289386
>muh maternal instinct and motherly love
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>>215289495
Funny how women often "try" to kill themselves but don't go all the way
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>>215289802
Its just a plot device to advance the story of the main character. Women don't fail at suicide, it's the men who fail to understand suicide is only supposed to be a prank.
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>>215289051
nothing wrong with beating an unruly child
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>>215289914
>Lads... I'm having a blas-
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>>215290370
Gotta nip bad behavior in the bud. Boys are born misogynists, punching and kicking pregnant girls from inception. It takes the firm but loving hand of a strong mother to teach them to respect women.
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>>215284263
>Who was in the wrong?
you for making this garbage thread
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>where do you get off you stuck up bitch, you think anyone wants you now?
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>>215291240
At first thought that was a hatchet and expected even worse.
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>>215284263
I don't think parents can do much, the older I get the more I feel it's all predetermined. I've seen bad parents with good children and vice versa, it's random.
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>>215292764
Redditors think this is about a poor woman abused by her evil baby, and gaslight by her idiot husband that can't see the truth about how horrible the kid is.

That's the perspective of the abusive, sociopathic, narcissist mother though.

She never had any love for her child. When he was born, it was like she was at a funeral, completely detached and self absorbed by her grief at how this kid will ruin her life.

She was negligent. When her baby was crying, she parked the stroller next to a jack hammer to help her ignore his cries.

She was emotionally abusive, blaming her neurosis on the child like a total narcissist, lashing out, and telling him from a young age he's not liked, merely tolerated.

She was physically abusive, breaking his arm after she lost her temper. Then when the kid lies to his dad and says it was an accident, no doubt afraid of angering his abusive caregiver, she twists that into her being the victim, entrapped by this clever manipulation. Like wtf! If she was honest about what happened, the toddler couldn't use it as leverage against her. All the manipulation was in her sick head.

The father is portrayed as gaslighting her as if his perspective is delusional, but his relationship with the child is normal cause he was always a loving parent.
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This movie got to me for some reason
sided with kevin btw
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Worth reading the book. While the basics are in the movie, the book examines them in a lot more detail and it’s easier to see how the moms personal narrative biases her

A few things I remember

>she legit never wanted kids at all and felt pressured into it, instead of just NOT having them, she has one and clearly resents Kevin as a result even though he did nothing wrong. She then feels like he’s “wrong” for not being affectionate with her, even though she isn’t affectionate with him and dislikes him. Kids are sponges and reflect what’s around them
>kevin is actually very similar to the mom in terms of temperament and attitude, so it’s ironic she hates him so much
>kevin certainly had behavioural issues. But every single major one before he’s a teenager about to do a killing spree is not a big deal at all. It’s just some harmless kid stuff.
>e.g. Omg he was found alone with a girl in the bathroom at school and was hurting her! (Actually she had eczema and he was fascinated by this and seemed to have just wanted to see her pick it up close, what an evil 7 year old!)
>the incident where the youngest girl kid goes blind in an eye from some chemical is just assumed to be Kevin’s fault by the mom, even though she never ever says this

There was a whole molestation plot I think was cut from the movie too. Where Kevin and his friend accused the music teacher of touching them, his mom IMMEDIATELY assumes her son is just lying. Eventually it comes out his friend lied and was just backing up Kevin but it really seemed implied Kevin was telling the truth, and this is why he dresses so oddly in the story and has poor hygiene. Common trait of abuse victims
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>>215293118
Haven't read the book, but even in the movie it's clear she loathes Kevin and resents his existence from the moment he's born.

From her perspective it's like the infant is a suitor who must court her affection but is being rude and neglecting her emotional needs, even though its a freaking baby who can't even talk.

Then she goes and makes another kid, even though she hates being a mother, but this one is compliant and proves Kevin is at fault and she's totally capable of not hating her child if it's not evil.

The chemical stuff is ambiguous in the movie too. Zero evidence Kevin had anything to do with it. She took the draino out, never showed her putting it away. She just blames him.

It's mind boggling that this movie is interpreted in any other way than the mother being at fault for Kevin turning out the way he did.
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Wouldn't have happened if she satisfied all his needs
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>>215289218
Well by definition a mother that literally kills her baby because she's gone fucking loopy or worse just hates the thing isn't a good mother but I suppose you could say that makes my previous statement a tautology. I'm aware of the SIDS thing
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>>215289386
She looks like that glownigger that told Chrischan to do the needful (and put hamsters in a blender (?) )
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>>215289346
>Don't understand POV
While this is almost universally true, I think this is meant to be YOUR POV
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>white people still claim to be superior to the rest of the planet
Either you have a loving wife and kids or you’ve failed as an organism. I can get people who are infertile etc but completely healthy people who act like being a genetic dead is something good are disgusting.
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>>215293029
redditors are fucking stupid fags. they all go "omg i never want kid because of this!! so scary!" as if they didn't fucking notice the mother was awful in every way
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>>215293433
Why are all men like this?
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>>215284263
anybody who says anything but parents is a retard bad parent

that fucking psycho little girl from that HBO special who was sexual assaulting and stabbing other kids got adopted by someone who wasnt a methhead and today shes a school teacher
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>>215294359
why do you always got to wander in when im in the middle of going to Jack city?
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>>215284709
I recall that in Sweden they had some fedora-tipper who did a school massacre with a katana.
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>>215294439
That still makes more sense because when you slice someone with a katana they're more or less incapacitated on the spot. Being hit by an arrow just causes bleeding, unarmored peasants in the middle ages sometimes took 10-15 arrows before dying, and armored knights in chainmail and padding could walk around fine with up to a hundred sticking out of them.
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>>215284709
I think its the creator cucking out so the movie doesnt devolve into a gun control argument

...but just use the fucking gun retard, what else would it be besides a knife attack? and you'd need some jacked 6'6 teenager for the knife attack to be believable
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>>215288716
a gun still requires similar planning, that recent tranny tried to shoot up a school and only shoot 3 or 4 people
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>>215289297
Oh, now it makes sense. So book was written by a female? Because bow actually sucks in killing people.
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great film by a great director
can't wait for Die, My Love
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>>215294478
A bomb? Also could be a beautiful composed shot paralleling his blowing up the school with mother's Tomato fight in Spain.
Also continuing chemicals narrative.

But bow is more personal, so it has to be bow.

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>>215293118
Even in the movie you can understand that she is unreliable narrator. Everything is just her memories of the long past after the school shooting, so she twists everything into this narrow "he was the evil from the start".
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>>215294439
Only in Europe. Katanafags get btfo in America.
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>>215284263
>It's either bad parenting or bad genes or a combination.
It ain't binary, you dumb fuck. Internet and other environment can corrupt a child as well and genetics ain't that simple either.



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