If Sauron put a large wooden plank in front of this or 2 guards he would have won. Wtf was Tolkien thinking?
>>215289545>wooden plankYou see a lot of trees in Mordor? You dumb fuck
>>215289565What do you think the catapults and frame to hold Grond were made of?
>>215289545itt: midwits not understanding the hubris of Sauron
>>215289617there's "hubris" then there's stupidity. Hubris is leaving Mordor minimally guarded for a time, stupidity is a open entrance to the 1 thing that can kill you
>>215289719filtered midwit
>>215289719he literally exclusively did NOT know hobbits existed because of said hubris
>>215289545Why not just a lockable door in general?
>>215291129He didn't know they could resist thermonuclear cursed artifact mind control at least.
>>215289545He wasn't afraid of ppl destroying it. He didn't even consider it.It's the most powerful magic item in the world. He was concerned with it being used against him.
>>215289587The last trees in all of mordor
>>215289719Not a single other being in existence except for a hobbit as humble and good as frodo would've been able to tank the ring's corruption. The idea that anybody would even conceive of destroying the ring instead of trying to use it was beyond him until at last the full extent of his folly was revealed and all his enemy's plans laid bareright as Gollum got nudged over the edge Eru
>>215289545There was the largest Army of the Third Age parked in front of it. And also probably lots of guards inside since it was a fortress. It is the equivalent of Trump ordering every single last person in the Pentagon to immediately go arrest Putin after he gets a text from him with a pic of Putin standing in front of the CNN building in DC with the Epstein files in his hand. Meanwhile a lone Russian saboteur with the lost Nuclear Football sneaks in to remotely launch all America's nukes at Israel, ending the major threat of this age.
>>215291701>Not a single other being in existence except for a hobbit as humble and good as frodo would've been able to tank the ring's corruption.But Frodo got corrupted in the end. That's why he put on the ring. Sauron knew this, and that's why he didn't bother with guards.
>>215289545No one would ever try to sneak in
>>215289545Sauron is extremely arrogant though, that's part of his character and so what you're pointing out isn't bad writing, it's called characterization. He can't imagine anyone wanting to destroy the ring, he assumes they'd find the power of it impossible to resist. And he's actually correct, because even Frodo succumbs to the ring in the end and decides that he wants to keep it. The ring only gets destroyed by accident, when Gollum tries to claim the ring for himself and falls into the fire.
>"ah yes the heir of my nemesis that defeated me will randomly show up to my entrance and face me with such a small army... totally makes sense and it's not a trap..."
Arrogant egotistical villains who don’t consider all the possibilities just aren’t very interesting to see defeated. I want to see the heroes succeed because their positive qualities were enough to overcome a competent pragmatic villain, not because the villain has some glaring character flaw other than an ideology/goals in opposition to the heroes’
>>215291770Aragorn set up this deception in advance when he used the palantir to shit-talk Sauron
>>215291129Anyone could enter through that tho?
>>215291733Yeah, way in the end after having it on him for weeksYou see that gollum couldn't even hold onto it for a few minutes before murdering his best friend, that every king and other great power who's even in arms length of it starts getting voices of temptation and darker countenance Frodo was exceptionally resilient to only fail right at the very end.
>>215291757>accident Eru Iluvatar himself reached down and tripped Gollum, it was literally divine intervention, one of the only times it happens in all of Tolkiens works.
>>215291701Shit that's kind of like what happened to Jazz
>>215292073As Tolkien put it, Frodo falling to the corruption of the ring wasn't any more a moral failure, or a failure of will, than if he had been crushed by a boulder. It just wasn't something any mortal save maybe Aragorn could have done.
>>215289587Old bones
>>215289545>large wooden plank He should have done it but left a convenient Hobbit-sized hole to underline his hubris
>>215292054And once they did most wouldn't have been able to throw it in, even Frodo couldn't at the last second.Maybe if you told somebody throwing the ring in the fires would power it up
>>215289545If op wasn't born a worthless pajeet then this thread would not exist. Why the fuck has this planet not been purged of pajeets?
>>215291770>don't attack us again>you get to keep all the lands west of Anduin (basically a fucking status quo, some elves lose land but they were leaving anyway)>Saruman kicked out of Isengard, Mouth of Sauron gets itthese terms were pretty generous, why did Jewlenskygorn reject them?
Who would even have known you could do that with the ring?I remind you it took Gandalf YEARS of research to confirm it was the one ring after handling it himself And only with the council of Elrond, one of the greatest elves ever, did they decide to take it thereWho would even think of it otherwise Nobody suggested it at the council did they?
>>215289545He was thinking that Mordor has two highly guarded entrances, it's full of orcs, any human or elf would be found out if trying to sneak through, the vicinity of Mount Doom is inhospitable volcanic desert and the Ring will corrupt anyone holding it not to mention those close to them.It's like asking why a guy living in a fortress full of guards doesn't lock his bedroom.
>>215289545>Wtf was Tolkien thinking?He was thinking there was no other way for Frodo to conceivably get in so he just put an open door there.
Even if he put a door there, couldn't they have just climbed over the top?
>>215289545What if they sent the Ring into space and drop it into a star? Would it destroy it?
>>215289617>Guards literally everything>Except for the one place the ring can be destroyedkek
>>215292395If his bedroom is where he kept his soul jar I'd put a fucking guard or two there
>>215292927He's got a small army on his doorstep full of every single person he needs to kill to score an easy win after a devastating loss, every possible orc is getting called for that one
>>215289545Why would you guard a volcano?
>>215289719It's like the Sauron equivalent if leaving your house keys are home and locking yourself out of the house give him a break
Sauron didnt think 2 gay midgets would foil his plans
>>215289545its supposed to be le big hubris, yeah its retarded but its supposed to support the symbolism of pride being a major downfall
>>215289617>>215289719Sauron could not fathom that someone would destroy the ring with anything less than a mighty army. He only thought in terms of power
>>215292818Similar to the question of dropping it into the deep ocean or passing the ring onto a being far beyond the rings strength ie. Tom Bombadil. Tolkein answered both
>>215291618Wrong, there were just enough for 2 planks afterwards
>>215289545if he put a sign saying: Do Not Enter Private Property, then maybe that will work
>>215293187And as the orc grunts were hauling them up that dreaded cliff side they were set upon by eagles which is why they took so long to save Sam and Frodo
>>215289545last time he was defeated it was by a massive army of men and elvesI dont think he expected two midgets to somehow sneak past thousands of orcs
>>215291576>he didn't even consider itIt's the only thing that can destroy him and he didn't even consider it??? Is Sauron nigger IQ?
>>215291129>hobbitsWhat about the others that can freely enter the gate?
Do you think hobbit raping other hobbits exists?
>>215293699It's central to Tolkiens creation.
>>215292322>oh no, my favourite childish story have the biggest plot holes ever>someone mentions them for how stupid they are>must be pajeets hating on whites
>>215289545It's a big fucking volcano in the middle of a desolate ash, soaked plain filled with hundreds of thousands of orcs, goblins and other evil creatures. Its not surprising that Sauron thought even getting to the entrance would be virtually impossible.
>>215292960Because it's the only thing that can destroy Sauron??
>>215291770what formation is this
>>215289545Didn't they have to go through like an army and a giant spider to get there? You think Samwise wasn't resourceful enough to get around a couple of guards or some planks?
>>215289545This one bothers me even more than Eagles. Should have some magical Gate that Frodo and Gollumn brainstorming to open.
>>215293792What's even crazier is that even hurting Shelob was a minor-god tier feat. Sauron with his ring wouldn't have tangoed with Shelob by choice. It was really unfathomable to Sauron that a couple hobbits could just walk into Mordor. Sauron was concerned with others using the ring against him. What actually happened just doesn't make any sense to him.
>Why the fuck would I put a filter mesh on my dryer vent? Its not like anything is going to get into my house through it>unbeknownst to you a spider has done just that and is currently laying eggs in your dickhole
>>215291770Sauron thought he had the ring and would use its power against him
>>215293921Does the spider look like Stoya? Because I'm ok with that
>>215289719>my enemy whose self-authored origin story is wanting to eradicate communism and enslave my entire country wants to make a deal in good faith? WHERE DO I SIGN?That level of hubris/stupidity isn't exactly rare.
>>215293719It doesn't count if its your gardener
>>215289545Because Sauron couldn't wrap his mind around the fact that someone would even think of destroying the Ring instead of using it against him. The thing is, Sauron was right, no one could do it, the corrupting power of the Ring managed to corrupt even Frodo. In the movie, the Ring wasn't thrown in, it fell in after the brief scuffle and in the book, Eru himself intervened.Eru. Intervened. That is how impossible it was for the Ring to being destroyed by lesser beings wanting to throw the Ring into the volcano. Yet you think that Sauron was retarded somehow even though everything points out to him being correct in his assertion.
>>215295153why didn't eru intervene before
>Failure of imagination.
>>215295191Melkor fucked with the song or something so his and sauron's little factorio games were already guaranteed to happen.
>>215293791Schiltrom
>>215294156Stalin was a bit like sauron in his folly, a complete realist who didnt give a shit about ideology and only saw raw power. In his mind a pact with the self declared "1488 ultra commie eradicators" was a perfectly logical move. Two powers completely outmanouvering all others and dominating europe forever.Just like sauron his hubris came from not even being able to even imagine the mindset of his opponent Hitler: an ideologue that actually 100% meant every crazy thing he said or wrote. No wonder he spend the first days of the invasion in total disbelief that someone would actually stick to his crazy beliefs and not just doing whatever is convienent.Actually once you think about it, Stalins retardation (trusting the fucking Nazis) makes perfect sense if Hitler had the same powerhungry mindset as him. And Hitlers retardation (lets invade my one last ally and start a two front war lol) makes perfect sense if Stalin had the exact same crazy ideological mindset as him. Those two fellas just didnt vibe
>>215295153God intervened. You dont remember the interview where:Tolk: and then God intervenedProto redditor: You mean Eru????Tolk: no, the only God there is
>>215293094He also assumed they would use it against him, since it's so powerful and tempting. He had not at all foreseen someone would resist it and be able to destroy it.
>>215289545if only vader put a plank or two guards over the vent
>why didn't Sauron put guards to the entrance of a volcano that's in the middle of a large desert where nothing can liveOnly an utter retard would ask such question
>>215289545Hubris. It's why the tribe always loses in the end. Evil is dumb.
>>215289545If Sauron put a large wooden plank in front of this or 2 guards there would have been a scene where frodo managed to open the door or trick the guards somehow
>>215289587They were made of Grond
>>215289545Why didn't sam just carry Bilbo to mount Doom eternal dark ages
>>215289617Sauron is 100% correct. No man can resist the temptation of the ring. That's why an act of Mercy (Frodo sparring Golem) gave God the opportunity to smash it via Deus Ex Machina. Any normal person taking the ring would not have succeeded.
>>215289719>stupidity is a open entrance to the 1 thing that can kill youThats exactly what Sauron was thinking when he realized the ring was in the volcano. Some things you just dont think about until its too late.
>>215289719Why? Twice (Isildur & Frodo) someone had taken the ring to the inside of the mountain and twice they failed to throw it into the lava. Once is coincidence, twice is a pattern forming.
>>215289719Why would he prevent the Ring from coming back to him? He’s not spectating the hobbits like a video game, he’s just sensing it getting closer.
Why didn't Elrond just rush Isildur and tackle them both into the lava? Surely he would not be so selfish that he valued his own life over the good of Middle Earth?
>>215291463it would ruin the vibe he was going for
>>215289719>>215292839>>215292993>>215293699Evil is evil
>>215291129>Elves know what Hobbits are>Fucking Rohan niggers know what Hobbits are>The guy trying to rule the whole of Middle Earth somehow has no goddamn clue what a Hobbit is despite torturing Gollum for fuck knows how long even getting the following info "SHIRE! BAGGINS!"
>>215289545That nobody would dare go in there.
>>215298599Power only sees power that might threaten it. hobbits never had the kind of power evil can perceive.
>A couple of midgets in Chile somehow obtain nuclear launch codes to a specific nuclear silo in North Dakota>leave the door open>put all guards and staff on leave
>>215298646Gollum became a murdering asshole and both Bilbo and Frodo were gradually becoming corrupted
>>215298723Which has fuck all to do with Sauron knowing about hobbits before they got the ring.>sauron couldn't know of hobbits as they were outside his notice>yeah but hobbits can be corrupted by evilyou're a retard moron.
>>215298691>A couple of midgets in Chile somehow obtain nuclear launch codes to the only nuclear silo in the United States, which are embedded with a tracking device>leave the door open >put all guards and staff on leave
>>215295220lel
>>215289719>>215293699It has its flaws, but it's still an awesome story
