why did people hate this movie? it’s kind of fun and comfy.only issue i have with it is that it’s a little boring
The terrible acting, dialogue and cinematography mostly.
You answered your own question
tourist fans didn't like exploring the political side of Star Wars which the prequels did. basically they're kino which filtered the normies and plebs.
Natalie Portman makes me too erect
>>215332878None of these things are required for fans of Star Wars tho.
>>215332917>tourist fans didn't like exploring the political side of Star Wars>we have 6 gorillion characterless "good" Senators who stand around in an amphitheater where they cannot possibly all discuss topics with one another>Le Evil Senator says "galaxy is unsafe, I am now Emperor">everyone le clapsYeah it's some incredible political framing.
I rewatched the prequels and they were always fucking trash. I hate the modern braindead generation liking them because of memes that were meant to mock the movies because they are retarded.Look at this scene. Not one goddamn thing in Episodes 1-3 matches this.https://youtu.be/YnNSnJbjdws
>>215332963here's a good example of a filtered pleb. he failed to grasp that it wasn't a story about good vs evil or the benefits of joining with the separatists.
Most of the writing and dialogue in most of it are horrendous, all the callbacks to Tatooine and the OT suck, Christopher Lee and Ewan Mcgregor carry it, but they're not in enough of it and even they can't compensate for the awful plot and dialogue.>>215332917The political side is the dumbest part, any government would naturally raise an army in a time of crisis, having it be clones, who were created by an unauthorized jedi master was just braindead
>>215332847It's really the middle that sags hard.
>>215332973Yeah I always of this scene in contrast to the prequels. There's a discussion happening, but the actors don't look zooted out of their minds while George sits in the corner drinking coffee.
>>215332963The worst part was Lucas writing it as if raising an army is a controversy. He's so fucking dumb and historically illiterate he doesn't know the difference between raising an army during a crisis, and having a permanent standing army, which was the real source of controversy in some countries historically. If something like the separatist movement happened irl it would be a rebellion and no government would have any problem voting to raise an army to put it down. He really did lose all talent he had adapting history into fantasy after the 70s.
>>215332982>it's not about good vs evil it's about a government being too retarded to respond to threatsThat's not a compelling plot.
>>215332983Don't remember asking. Also my post was FACT not a DISCUSSION. So you are WRONG. Checkmated. Concession accepted.
>>215332847I don't like AOTC. Its course and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere.
>>215333062>seething zoomer can't even come up with one defense of the dogshit that is AotC's "politics"true brainrot
>>215333090Why do I need a defense over posts contradicting my point without a viable argument or point? Poorly reiterating a small plot point and showcasing you misunderstood it is a self-defeat. You have no point to argue, thus I have no need to defend.
>>215332847Technical shit aside, this might be one of the most boring major blockbusters in history.
>>215332919>not making you three erectngmi
What a crime to waste this man. Didn't even give him good choreography. They made him fuck around with a CGI muppet.https://youtu.be/Ef4njNsDVos
>>215333118>without a viable argument or point?My point: The politics in AotC are retarded, it revolves around the controversy of raising an army to stop the separatists, when there would never conceivably be one. Any government in history would raise an army to stop a rebellion. Therefore the entire political aspect of the story is nonsense. Your rebuttal: nu uhLike I said, pure zoomer brainrot.
>>215333136Her tummy definitely activated something in me as a kid, but I was too busy rewatching the scenes with the clones.
>>215333136>love handlesNah dropped
>>215333127avatar sequel, black panther or 90% of the marvel movies
>>215332847It has a handful of very interesting scenes and ideas glued together with awful faux-Shakespearian dialog and acting. George really should have let multiple writers take a pass at the screenplay and he should have allowed someone else to direct it while still overseeing everything like he did with Empire and Return. George is too awkward and weird to properly direct actors.
>>215333214Reiterating once again that you misunderstood large portions of the movie once again is not going to warrant this exchange, friend. Hopefully once you hit high school you're start to learn reading comprehension and media literacy.
this movie was pointless and its dead weight rolls on to ruin the other two by not having space to develop mature anakin and obi wan
>>215333280i wonder how that worked with the disney movies, like it seems like they at least ran the dialogue through a filter. george had full control over his stuff though, so was it just that he didn't have a filter like that?
>>215333280>he should have allowed someone else to direct itHe wanted that, but everyone turned the idea down. The trio he approached before he even thought of directing TPM was Spielberg, Zemeckis and Ron Howard. None of them wanted the gig for various reasons.
>>215332878The acting is a deliberate homage to '50s pre-method styleThe dialogue is unpretentious and to the pointThe cinematography is kino
>>215333317No one misunderstood the movie, zoomer, it's so simple it would be impossible to. You're just desperate to defend a shit movie with a terrible plot because you refuse to take off the nostalgia googles.
>>215333127Last Jedi
>>215333370You clearly did. And, once again, I don't have to "desperately defend" it because mush brains like yourself didn't grasp it enough to be of an informed position to hate it. Late a retard critiquing modern art. Your existence is.. comical.
>>215332847its super weird and cringe. The dialog made me cringe, like the "death sticks" scene which felt like it was a corny anti drug add from the 90s. The jedi battle was very weird because the dialog was so flat. I watched episode 4,5,6 and 1 like 20 times each (i was young when this came out out) before episode 2, i saw episode 2 once in theatres and havent seen it again. i watched episode 3 a few times too because it was mostly good.
>>215333358>The acting is a deliberate homage to '50s pre-method styleFor what purpose
>>215333343
>>215333403Nah bro it's a "homage" to shitty wooden acting from shitty old moviesYou can't complain
>>215333401> don't have to "desperately defendYou're doing it right now, dumbass, and you still haven't come up with a single actual defense of the retarded political aspect of the movies. >modern artYeah I guess you could say the prequels are modern art, since they're equally dogshit
>>215333358are you comparing the delivery of the dialogue to like how the good silent hill games tried to emulate david lynch dialogue?
>>215332847I like episode 2 more than most people, but pretty much everything with Anakin is a net negative to the movie.>Obi-Wan is doing space detective work, getting into fights and generally doing the things people like to see in Star Wars>meanwhile Anakin and Padme cause the plot to screech to a halt so they can spout atrocious diialogue at each other in scenes that go on for much too longThey don't even get better once they become involved with the plot again and end up on Geonosis because the droid factory sequence is the second worst part of the movie and they're in that too.
>>215333416It makes George have happy thoughts
>>215333455Reddit posting and wrong. brutal.
>>215333416It's what George likes and has been trying to emulate through his entire career. The whole "faster, more intense" directing he gives actors is exactly that. If you go look at old serials or films, actors have this hasty way of speaking which he's obsessed with for whatever reason.
>>215333570>If you go look at old serials or films, actors have this hasty way of speakingI know what you mean, it's very distinctive. Like they're just waiting to blast out their lines. Maybe it was to keep movies short yet full of dialogue.
>>215333355Really? That's fascinating. I can understand Spielberg and Howard turning down director duties at the time but Zemeckis should have jumped at the chance. He wasn't doing shit in the late 90s-early 2000s except directing Castaway and What Lies Beneath in 2000. I suspect he read the script and thought it was shit but George had full creative control and wouldn't allow major changes.
>>215333462>Let's get the guy who waters the plants at Konami to do the western dub because he knows a little english>'90s CD-ROM seek times add weird unintentional pauses>omg it's just like my coffee and apple pie FBI soap opera horror pasticheFuck off retard
>>215332878Cinematography was actually pretty decent. CGI didn't age well, but that isn't cinematography. Save for the Geonosis arena scenes, where it seemed like the characters aren't even in the same space with each other. Otherwise, yeah. I kinda like it, but it's a very bad movie.fpbp/thread
>>215332847>too much CGI>bad dialogue>politics that make no sense>completely wastes Christopher Lee's talent>Anakin behaving like an autistic sperg>horribly written romance
>>215333758naw i was thinking lost highway
Across the Stars is the greatest piece of movie music written in the last 30 years
it's strange it's gotten an audience with zoomers. I remember watching this as a young teen and looking at the tagline "jedi are forbidden to love" and laughing my ass off. "WHY?"It was so shit, even as a child I knew phantom menace was "off"
>>215332847people didn't, manchildren did
>>215333894LOTR and Pirates clear, I am afraid. That goes for the movies overall too. Across the Stars is just overly melodramatic pastiche, and the romance it supports is fucking awful.
>>215333950... and actual children ...
>>215332847Loved it as a kid. Thought clones were cool. Same with Phantom and Darth Maul. Most of the off putting stuff like the stilted dialogue and vacuous green screen sets I didn't notice until I was an adult, at which point I also gained an appreciation for the overarching narrative of the prequels.
>>215334075>at which point I also gained an appreciation for the overarching narrative of the prequelsFuck, I'll bite. Defend them.
>>215332847In the original trilogy, you get the feeling that Obi-wan and Anakin had these amazing, legendary adventures, and when they finally show it in Attack of the Clones, it feels like Obi-wan is a babysitter for a spoiled brat that throws tantrums.
this character is a massive plot hole because of the conflict in 3 over Anakin not being made a Jedi Master. You mean to tell me he had a padawan all that time offscreen?
>>215334181no she was his fucktoy
>>215334105how much philosophy have you read? this might be pointless to even attempt to enlighten you if you lack the intellectual baggage
>>215334125Making Anakin and Darth Vader the same character was a mistake. Anakin should have been this cool badass Jedi Knight and Obi-Wan's close friend, as stated in the first film, and Vader should have been this young angry sperg and Obi-Wan's pupil, who killed Anakin to piss off Obi-Wan.
>>215334181
>this weapon is your lifeRight there it became irredeemable. The series from that second was about laser sword action figures smashing together, setting aside that that was all that happened in Episode 1 as well of course.Imagine Yoda from Empire telling Luke that the lightsaber was his life.
>>215334181You need to be a Jedi Knight to have a Padawan. Obi-Wan was a Jedi Knight in Episode II. You gain the rank of a Jedi Master once you train a Padawan to Knighthood. Which is why Obi-Wan was a Jedi Master in Episode III while Anakin was a Knight. Anakin needed the Jedi Master rank to access the archives for forbidden knowledge or some shit.
>>215333570He's emulating a generation that were wired to the tits on speed
Remember when Lucas wrote Luke and Leia as a romance and then made them siblings. What was up with that George?
>>215334105The actual story that George is trying to convey is incredibly good, he just conveys it poorly. It is about a Sith hiding as a politician starting a geopolitical crisis in order to gain power and assert fascism. On top of that are deconstructions of zen philosophy, morality and how the power of good is stilted by its ability to apply itself appropriately and the fundamental conflict between inaction vs action. I could go on but I'll never be able to describe it as succinctly as this video.https://youtu.be/FK09TwG_N30
>>215334297Every new Star Wars movie retcons the previous one. None of it was ever planned out, there was never any grand vision, Lucas made it up as he went along, up until the point he sold the company. Fans take star wars far more seriously than its creator ever did.
Star Wars is a glorified b-movie (space nonsense with subpar acting, just watch poor Alec Guinness in SW1 struggling with the sheer stupidity of it all) and that's perfectly ok. Don't know why though some fans treat it like the most significant piece of art ever.
I don't think the hate adults had for this movie had a good effect on me when I was a kid.
Only Cinemasins pedants and nitpickers hate it. "Uh ackshually Jango's assassination plan doesn't make sense if you hold it under an autsistic magnifying glass!" So what? James Bond films don't stand up to that level scrutiny either. Neither franchise is aiming for rigorous plot logic. "Yoda flips around!" Why shouldn't he? He was a comedy character from his earliest scenes in Empire.
>>215333416>For what purposeSo Dex's diner wouldn't look out of place.
>>215334709https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZcJbNo_0Ro
For such a universally hated movie it's very interesting that nerds are still discussing AOTC on forums 20+ years after it was released. There are very few movies with the staying power of Lucas' Star Wars.
>>215334905It's quite well liked.
>>215332847>>215334905the third act is good. it's just the first 2/3s is boring exposition/setup instead of an action adventure like the OT.
>>215334999I like it until we get to Geonosis. Fuck dat shit.
>>215332847people didnt hate this movie when it came out.
>>215335102I think it's all pretty good, it just feels long.
The Techno union army is GEWOWEHWEYOEEEEEEEEEEEE at your disposal count
>>215335110They liked the CGI battles, hated the terrible wooden dialogue and romance.
>>215332973>I hate the modern braindead generation liking them because of memes that were meant to mock the movies because they are retarded.noooo stop using the prequel memes like that! Memes are not for the public to play with, you're only allowed to use my memes in my own prescribed way!
>>215335110People most definitely hated the movie when it came out. I was there. It was the weakest piece of George canon Star Wars to date at the time.
>>215335197Portman and Christensen had no chemistry at all. If they had, the old fashioned dialogue would have worked and the romance would have been believable.
>>215335354chemistry couldn't save that shit dialogue
If Qui-Gon would have just taken Smee with him off of Tattooine instead of just Anakin then Anakin would have never lost is mother and be tempted to the dark side. Qui-Gon is responsible for Darth Vader.
>>215335139I think what let me down the most about Geonosis was that we finally got to see a large number of Jedi charging into battle, but it was lame for various reasons. This was the first time I thought lightsabers looked like kiddie glowsticks – probably because of the way the effects were handled – and I didn't like how the enemies looked so fake, cartoonish and weightless. I'm not saying it should have been bloody and brutal, but there could have been a bit more impact. In Return of the Jedi, it seemed more real when Luke was hacking up the goons on Jabba's skiff. Another comparison could be with Anakin's slaughter of the Trade Fed command in Revenge of the Sith, which carried a sense of aggression even if it was not graphic.
>>215335166https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PW4OIHDsWsM
>>215333535He's a big guy
>>215335166>wall-e sounds
>>215335601For you
>>215335498>then Anakin would have never lost is mother and be tempted to the dark side.I doubt about that. Palpatine and Plagueis spawned Anakin in Shmi's womb, and because of that paternal connection, which is also a Sith Force connection, Palpatine would always have been able to mess with his mind. And that's not just an EU story: Palpatine more or less tells Anakin about it opera in the opera scene in ROTS.
>>215335354If she'd been hot, like radiating sex, it would have worked.
>>215335919>Canonically Plagueis is alive during the Phantom Menacedumbest shit I ever learned
>>215336101Going solely by what's said the film, Plagueis wouldn't have to be alive during Phantom Menace, only alive long enough to teach Sheev the secret of creating life. Possibly Sheev performed the ritual years after his mentor's death.https://youtu.be/j1vpsaz22CU?t=180
>>215336101Sheev killed him after he became the chancellor
I finally rewatched it and while I liked Phantom Menace I thought this one was pretty bad. Plot, every character is an idiot, romance, boring long action scenes. The only thing I really liked was the ending. It might be my favorite sequence from the whole series. For years I though people exaggerate about the bad romance in this movie, but it was even worse than I remembered. So awkward with Anaking acting not like an awkward teenager, but like a weird creep.
Zoomers don't know who Sheev is.
>>215332847> why did people hate this movie?Its not people its disney shills.
Zoomers love Anakin because he was basically an incel chud that won the girl. There's this hilarious moment when they both lie on the grass and talk about stuff and then Anakin is all like: oh, by the way, I support authoritarian dictatorship.
>>215336293Once you understand that it's an autist school shooter romance, you'll see it's a realistic portrayal. You have to think of him as a chud to really get the character. Palpatine is Trump and Anakin represents the MAGA who goes and kills the Chinese aliens for his God-Emperor. Obi-Wan is the libtard who takes Anakin's children away for re-education."The attempt on my life has left me scarred and deformed."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS57I6swXcc
Anakin being the chosen one is dumb and retarded and artistically inept
>>215332973way less for the actors to really engage with in the prequels, there's not enough senatorial intrigues or shadowy separatist conferences, nothing much at stake for Palpatine's plans. Historically the Roman Senate would merely advise or enthusiastically endorse the Emperor during the Imperial age, they couldn't actually form laws. Despite the Clone Wars, the prequels are set in a far more liberal age and you'd have to be a boomer to understand why it's portrayed so idyllically. The prequels possess less dramatic tension and much less reason for the starkly theatrical style of acting. The prequels are Mysteries without an element of Suspense, or even much overt contrast of values.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngDgt0FdyiM>>215337805feels like the commonly accepted notion of Emperor Augustus' career, a chosen one whose reign certainly began as a terror; dispossessing farmers and initiating famines, etc.
>>215333000I like the Kamino scenes.
>>215332847Nothing about this movie works. It is one of the worst major studio films I've ever seen. I can't imagine liking this film, even if you first saw it at 5 with a parent who convinced you that you loved it. I would call it the worst SW movie but someone who actively hates Star Wars was allowed to kill an entire trilogy to be a soupy faggot.
>>215338279There's many incompetent creative decisions in these movies. I still can't help but feel respect for Lucas for making these films the exact way he envisioned with zero interference.
>>215332847I didn’t like Yoda jumping around I thought him and palps were so powerful in the Force they didn’t need fighting and lightsabers. I was so excited to see a battle of hundreds of jedi and they all got rekt by lame battledroids immediately. I’m ok with digital and CGI now but it looked very unnatural and obvious when used to film alone before. Explaining Boba Fett and making him a clone was a mistake. I’ve grown to quite like it.
>>215338279>It is one of the worst major studio films I've ever seen.Nah, Suicide Squad 2016 was way worse.
>>215334287Okay, but if that was a requirement to begin with, they would have mentioned him needing to have trained a Padawan in RotS as a reason he wasn't promoted to Master, which was before she even existed. Just adding a random character that doesn't exist in any of the movies (despite Filoni trying really really hard to convince you she does) doesn't really add anything to a scenario that didn't require her presence to begin with.
>>215332847The Lego Game is better
>>215334670I justify Yoda flipping around because it's fucking awesome. Him sparingly using the Force in his fighting style to propel him makes sense and I like that it makes him look like a wuxia grandmaster, which is what George was going for. Yoda deserves to be able to do cool shit.
>>215333418He's a secret sith spy.
>>215332847The novelization is better
>>215339198Nah, it looked retarded. Like Kermit the frog on crack trying to do a Matrix fight scene
>>215339617Nah, it was awesome. You do you though.
>>215333570but in the prequels they don't do anything like that they slowly plod through each line
>>215334905only because its related to sw77. imagine the bafflement if this movie came out as an original from someone unknown in 2002 or whatever. there would be a few youtube videos saying 'how did this wacky movie from 2002 actually get made?' and that's it
>>215332847Because of how terrible it was
>>215332847Because the dialogue is ass. The acting is ass. The villains come out of nowhere. The CGI is dogshit and it’s overall a badly executed film.
>>215332847>it’s kind of fun >it’s a little boringcognitive dissonance lol
>>215336432but then what is padme? basically a female pedophile like those teachers, who still remembers child anakin and gets off on having him into her still as an adult i guess
>>215333358SO TRVE.
the only good thing about star wars period are the interactions between anakin and sheev
>>215333882In that case I apalogeyDidn't mean to jump on your breasts
>>215332847watch the RLM reviews
>>215338088>feels like the commonly accepted notion of Emperor Augustus' careerYou fucking retard. Augustus came in the wake of Julius Caesar. There is no equivalent in SW. If Luke fell and became the next emperor or some shit you might have a point.
>>215337805retard
>>215339139Lucas gave Anakin a Padawan.
>>215341630And it was one of the biggest mistakes he ever made.
>>215336257See: >>215336101
>>215332847TPM is the only good and comfy prequelhttps://youtu.be/Y5HEhJCqeho?si=kjYWnuFr3y6QPegW
>>215332847>why did people hate this movie?because it didnt fit perfectly with fans head canon they had built up over the 20 years before it came out
>>215339806thats how people speak in real life anonthe prequels are literally some of the best realistic acting in cinemareal people dont act when they communicatethey just arepeople say the prequels have bad acting and they do, if you are expecting the fake reality that is created in HollywoodGeorge artificially created real reality and thats why it looks and sounds so "wrong">the dialogue is badyeh thats how people form sentences in real life, Anakin in real life would be a cringy weirdo every time he spoke to a woman he liked or around his mentor he is trying to impress " here is where the fun begins" literally sounds like a kid(he is one) trying to find an identity by thinking up and saying "one liners" to say.the relationship between Padme and Anakin feels weird and forced BECAUSE IT IS, Padme is literally the only woman we see Anakin interact with outside of his mother like 10 year prior.if you watch the prequals with the mindset of "these are real people that im watching as a fly on the wall" it all fits perfectly
>>215343942No
>>215342938i feel like ROTS has kinda shitty pacing, like none of the grievous stuff has weight if you don't care about his clone wars character
>>215344011>no argument>reddit frogi accept your concession:)
>>215334792George.... i-i kneel...i see the vision...
>>215334233>Making Anakin and Darth Vader the same character was a mistake."I am your father" is probably the most famous plot twist in movie history. I can see people not liking it now we know its consequences for the later films, which tried to reproduce the twist. First we had "You are my sister" in ROTJ, then "You are son" from Palpatine in ROTS, and then whatever that shit was with Rey in the sequel trilogy. They made her an orphan just to get her to that necessary, familial twist.BUT it worked brilliantly for The Empire Strikes Back, way back when. That film is still dope.
>>215332847The cringe-ass romance scenes, poorly aged CG, and the story itself is sloppy as shit.>Palpatine tasks Dooku, who tasks Jango, who tasks Zam, who tasks a droid, what tasks centipedes to assassinate Padme>Jango (a supposedly great bounty hunter/assassin) uses a poison dart that can be tracked back to Kamino >Some random fry cook at a greasy spoon happens to know all about that dart and Kamino itself before a Jedi did (I’m sure he was some kind of bounty hunter or some form of intelligence before, but why is he working at a diner then? Gambling debt?)>Jango being used as the template for the clone army, when he’s not a soldier. It was a clear case of the irl meta affecting the writing>The Jedi just decide to use this army of clones who look like the guy who has been trying to kill them the whole time, and see nothing suspicious or weird about this at all, or just idea of using what amount to slaves to die by the thousands on their behalf. That doesn’t seem better “Light Side”.That’s just what pops to my head immediately.
>>215344035I will never not be mad about what Lucas did to Grievous. He went from being a Jedi-slaying monster to essentially Cobra Commander or Skeletor.
>>215344293i just don't think they communicated y'know cus george got that ego of his. but then he does the same shit with the CG clone wars show so i dunno
>>215332847this has been my favorite star wars movie ever since it came out.
>>215340512reddit
Yeah it's not that bad. Perhaps the weakest of the canon but it has a lot going on so Lucas didn't stick the landing perfectly.
>>215332917The political scheming parts were fine. Anakin wishing he could wish away his feelings and the droid factory theme park ride was painful to watch. Also, as the first movie that was shot digitally, it looks kind of bad.
>>215344258>over-analysis of the Jango plotWhat you seem to miss is that Obi-Wan's detective story is patterned on old noir detective stories such as The Big Sleep. If you watch that film or read any Raymond Chandler novel you'll find that the plots in this genre don't make much sense if you look at them closely and try to assign a logical cause to every effect. That's because plot is not the point: the characters, dialogue and atmosphere are the main attractions and they take priority over all else. That's what George was going for in AOTC and also in other Star Wars sequences where the story becomes convoluted, such as the rescue at Jabba's Palace. It's pulpy fun, it doesn't have to make perfect sense, stop listening to the utterly discredited ignoramus Mike Stoklasa.
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