This is why Tolkien kino will always mog GoTslop
>>215343306There's nothing GoT/ASoIF does better than LotR apart from cheapest smut.
>DUDE, DRAGONS ARE, LIKE, GREED, MANProfound
>>215343306Both are garbage
>>215343306This is like the fourth twitter screenshot thread about LOTR and GOT in the last day or two
>>215343306it's not just the dragon. none of the supernatural elements in song of ice and fire have any reason for being excluded other than to net the fantasy reading audience who otherwise might not have been inclined to read a book about nothing really except rape and war. the dragons could be replaced by cannons, the white walkers could be replaced by evil faction #98237123, the magic could be replaced by scientific advancement. none of it has a purpose.
>>215343306Tolkien dragons are like cartoon villains.GRRM dragons have this ambiguity to them. Are they dumb animals? Are they intelligent, ancient beasts linked to the Targaryens very bloodline. Their origins are shrouded in forbidden magic. What was done to create them? Way more interesting than me likey shiney things
>>215343306Why does GoT make Tolkeintrannies seethe so hard? The beef is entirely one sided
>>215343365Not true, they also do other things, like charming people into marrying their siblings.Wait a second...
>>215343480>Their origins are shrouded in forbidden magic. What was done to create them?But enough about Middle-earth dragons.>Way more interesting than me likey shiney things>he doesn't know why they like gold in particularShigg.
>>215343480GRRM dragons are simply weapons of mass destruction created by valeryians. If there is any ambiguity to them, I must have missed it.
>dude, thing in one thing is not like thing in other thing>therefore my guy betterDemonetize social media
>LOTRFor stunted basement dwellers who never grew out of their favorite childhood stories, preoccupied with wiki filler "worldbuilding">GoTFor trendhopping normies and irony poisoned millennials who soiface over graphic violence>LyonesseFor enlightened scholars and kings among men.
>>215343480what reason does anyone have to think they're intelligent? what intelligent things do they ever do?
>>215343873More like pretentious hipsters because I never heard of the third guy
>>215343873>LyonesseWhats this?
>>215343873>jack vance
>>215343901They eat the usurper whore.
>>215343901>what intelligent things do they ever do?Drogon destroyed the Iron Throne because his mother's pursuit of it led to her death.
Glaurung was a real jerk.
>>215343306George was pretty clear about using them as a metaphor for nuclear weapons I thought.
>>215343442the subject was trending on twitter again so the browns are making threads about it here
>>215343327The main antagonist of The Hobbit is a dragon you nitwit
>>215344248And this is how Orcs were made. Implications are obvious but Tolkien had the decency not to revel in it. You just know Gurm would go into excruciating detail about how barbed Azog's dick was or whatever
Tolkien dragons are based. They are creatures that instinctively hunt stockpiles of wealth and do nothing with them except kill anyone who gets too close. Basically they were a failsafe the gods brought into middle earth to limit excessive hoarding of resources. They're literally a divine tax policy that curbs inflation.The GOT dragons are just flying horses by comparison.
horses with wings are unicorns retard
>>215343306This is a great showcase for why the four limb design works in GoT and fails in the hobbit. Smaug is not supposed to have a realistic looking body. He’s an engine of destruction created by the devil and tells biology to go fuck itself. He’s supposed to be proud and arrogant, not drag himself across the ground or bend his back to anyone.Dragons that are dumb animals work with that design, not sapient beings.
>>215344388> Basically they were a failsafe the gods brought into middle earth to limit excessive hoarding of resources. They're literally a divine tax policy that curbs inflation.That’s not what they are though.
>>215344486>he missed the part where Smaug lectures Bilbo about how Thrain’s rule devalued gold when they irresponsibly flooded the market with precious metals and gems
dragon or wyeth.btw was elf and human sex mating a normal thing or just a one in a lifetime thing?
>>215344319The main antagonist of The Hobbit is literally the friends we made along the way. Haven't you seen the Five Armies?
>>215344486>That’s not what they are though.It is. Read between the lines. What is the symbolic meaning of a magical creature that is drawn to hoards of gold? Hint: this is the same setting where if you chop down too many trees, living trees will come out of the woods to fuck you up.
>>215344543Pretty rare.
>>215343744Explain this
>>215344663But there's a number of known half elves. Like Elrond.https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Half-elves#Named_Half-elves
>>215343480>GRRM dragons have this ambiguity to them. Are they dumb animals? Are they intelligent, ancient beasts linked to the Targaryens very bloodlineI know exactly what they are: jobbers.
>>215343306>>215343334>>215343401>>215343480>>215343487>>215343873Tad Williams mogs both
>>215343480Retard.To Tolkien, dragons represent an instrument of evil. They were created by Morgoth but became so hideously large and powerful that he was cowed by his own creation. They became a danger to him. Ancalagon the black was a danger to all of creation.Just another warning of the dangers of industrialization and technology which was Tolkien's big concern.
>>215344717Here's pretty much every time an elf and a human got together. Turin probably could have fucked Finduilas if he hadn't been obsessed with fighting Morgoth.
>>215343327>The dwarves arriving were just a plot device >Elrond giving them a map was just a plot device >Bilbo is a plot device
>>215343480>GRRM dragons have this ambiguity to them. Are they dumb animals? Are they intelligent, ancient beasts linked to the Targaryens very bloodline.We used to call this lazy writing.
>>215344979Grond is a gate device.
>>215344888Aragorn is the descendant of Elrond's brother?
>>215343334Read the children of hurin, Tolkien even does sibcest better than Martin
>>215345025Yes, he and Arwen are very, very, very distantly related.
>>215343334We don’t have to wonder what people in GoT eat.
>SHITS ON BOTH TOLKIEN AND GEORGE AT THE SAME TIMEnothing personal kids...
>>215343306>>215344388>Flying horsesI though GRRM considered Dragon's more like a magical Air Force than cavalry. Mind you, by and large I prefer Tolkien though there are aspects of ASOIAF I like.>>215344536>>215344642>>215344388>divine tax policyThat's a pretty kino interpretation, I never thought about it that way.
>>215345086Nope
>>215344642Everything is a metaphor from the sun rising to you putting on your shoes but the statement that dragons are a failsafe from the gods is literally incorrect.
>>215343901>>215344192It’s embarrassing how gurm never fleshed out his dragons despite writing 5 books(6 if you include Fire and Blood).
grrm is a fat nigger
>>215343480>They hated him because he spoke the truth.Careful, you're iggering Tolkien fags
>>215343442Normalfaggots are starting to realize how cringe and poorly written asoiaf was.
>>215344875>They were created by MorgothThat's ambiguous. Morgoth can't create anything new, only mockeries. And Dragons aren't a mockery of Eagles - those would be Felbeasts.He acknowledges it in one letter and muses off-handedly that somewhere out there must exist good dragons, but never expands on the topic.
>>215344888You missed Imrazor, who married an unnamed Elf.
>>215345425I could swear the Silmarillion goes something like this>morgoth retreats to his fastness to create all sorts of new deviltry>...>"Around this time, the dragons first appeared..."I always thought the implication was clear that Morgoth had created them because he unleashes them at the great battle and they're a huge surprise. They issue forth from his stronghold, like any other creation of his.
>>215345495The Dragons that he possesses were definitely created by him. The issue is that he cannot create anything NEW.So Tolkien once mused that he copied good dragons, whom we never get to see.
>>215345425>And Dragons aren't a mockery of Eagles - those would be Felbeasts.Fellbeasts were just some kind of mountain dwelling pterodactyls that Sauron bred into war mounts. There’s nothing necessarily “corrupt” about them. > He acknowledges it in one letter and muses off-handedly that somewhere out there must exist good dragons, but never expands on the topic.Silmarillion was never meant to be published and Tolkien never had a concrete lore for any of these details.
>>215345316Semantics.
>>215345522>Silmarillion was never meant to be publishedAnd now you're contradicting Tolkien's own statements. He fully intended to publish it, just like he wanted a revision of LOTR and a second revision of The Hobbit.
>>215345511Yeah, I get that. I always thought maybe he did some sort of blasphemous cross-breeding of the corrupted Maiar (balrogs) and other horrors
I have still never seen an episode of Game of Thrones and probably never will
>>215343306Am I allowed to like the second Hobbit movie again?
>>215344323>raepelves literally cannot be raped or their soul dies, the implication instead is that elves were tortured by morgoth and that's how the first orcs came to be
>>215345614I don't think anyone feels the need to watch it when they know the ending is meme levels of dogshit. I've heard people say you can watch up to season 4 or 5 and come away happy, though.
>>215343306George tells a human story through fantastical means. Tolkien tells a fairy-tale without any basis on human emotion or behaviour, it's just pure entertainment. If Tolkien has more to say about dragons, then George has a whole lot more to say about human beings.
>>215344888Checked.
>>215345666>sub 80 iq brownoid who never read either author
>>215345620No. Just for being a namefag.
>>215343480In Tolkien dragons were a war machine made by the source of all evil in the universe to fight one last war with the Valar. They are all irredeemably evil because they were tools created by the god of irredeemable evil. They are intelligent because they are very likely angelic Maia possessing a really powerful physical body Morgoth made up for them. Is ASOIAF they were specially bred war machines by the Valyrians using now totally lost knowledge and magic techniques. They were some cool lizards found on an island, bred until they were larger flying cooler lizards, and then magically bonded to noble families. They're pretty much big dumb animals but also with magic bullshit that link them to special people.
>>215345076Are you implying we do in LOTR? The book specifies what a lemba is and how they ate it through all the journey
>>215345756lmao this has ruined me
>>215345425Valar and sufficiently powerful enough Maia can make any physical body they want. It's how Aule made dwarves and Mandos makes new bodies for every dead elf. That specific fact was pointed out in Morgoth's Ring. What they cannot do is make a soul to inhabit it. So they take souls from elves or orcs and stick them into a body, or a Maia inhabits it instead. This is how we got Werewolves.
>>215343306I thought the bit in Beowulf where he fights the dragon was the least interesting of the three segments of the story
I thought the post in the thread where there was a frog picture attached was the least interesting of the 75 posts.
>>215345923Another thing Tolkien danced around some was the fact that a maiar could take on the form of something, fuck, and make a new species of that thing. The man being a 1920s Englishman was not exactly comfortable with writing down details of demonic selective breeding programs and making up shit like talking dogs and bats from the whole thing. But he hints at it a whole lot. GRRM would have written whole chapters dedicated to Warg and Orc breeding from the point of view of the maiar in dog form and the villagers they kidnapped to make some more orc breeds.
>>215346017Tolkien however specified that Saruman's orc-human breeding program was voluntary on the both sides.
>>215345923>>215346017>>215346054Considering that tolkien did name certain characters to be the father of all werewolves, father of all dragons, and mother of all vampires, mother of all spiders etc, it does paint a picture of the different corrupted maiar under Morgoth really liked to fuck a lot. He likely had a lot of maiar that just took on various forms so they could fuck a lot and then yeah Morgoth got armies of talking wolf hyenas or something too as a result. Tolkien did write a whole lot about how Morgoth's faction were really into the physical side of existence and were really bound to being physical instead of contemplative spirits like everyone over on Valinor. Seems Morgoth had some Eyes Wide Shut style carnal pleasure pits down in Angband.
>>215346054Dunlanders are used to stinky pussy I guess.
>>215343306LOTR will always be better because it's writer had the decency to end his shit unlike that fat lazy cunt GGRM
>>215343470In his original draft the dragons were replaced with the Targaryens being fire mages
>>215343334ASoIaF has better characters.>>215343442It's a favorite topic of tradlarpers who have read neither series.
>>215344809Dunsany and Lovecraft mog them all
>"I kill where I wish and none dare resist. I laid low the warriors of old and their like is not in the world today. Then I was but young and tender. Now I am old and strong, strong, strong! My armor is like tenfold shields, my teeth are swords, my claws spears, the shock of my tail a thunderbolt, my wings a hurricane, and my breath death!"
>>215346720>*twang*
>fantasyslop for children vs fantasyslop for teens
>>215346606>ASoIaF has better characters.Profound
>>215346982Not an argument I accept your concession
>>215343365Dragons are attracted to gold in Tolkien's works because good was created by Morgoth and contains the most of his essence. It's like the dragons are longing for his return that's why they surround themselves with it.
Asoiaf can't be seriously discussed because its an unfinished, meandering, ultimately pointless story. Normalfags think sex and shit equals a story, but there is no actual framework or point to asoiaf, its just ramblings
>>215344438based tolkien calling wyverns queer
>>215345761anon is right tho
>>215343480*tips fedora*
>>215345826They can't be Maia as Smaug was born after Morgoth was defeated and was a young dragon when he took over the Lone mountain but was fully grown by the time of the Hobbit.
>>215346982>you can't write about a character going through the horrors of dysentery because.. you just can't ok
Tolkien fags are upset because George won
>>215343480All of the actual writing is better because GRRM was a great writer. All of the world building and lore in LOTR was far better because Tolkien was a great autist.
>>215347022Yes, child, it is, I’m sorry you’re so stupidNo, child, there is no concession here, these are your criminal delusions speaking Enjoy prison.
>>215347451What compelling and lovely literature. I hope next he writes about anal prolapse.
>>215343306For me, its Conan.Hyborian age is kino.
>>215347568you don't even know what "compelling" means and smugly pretending all of GRRM's work is somehow low brow based off a few passages is being disingenuous and profoundly retarded
>>215346982This passage has nothing to do with the character writing though
>>215347704Martin is low brow.
>>215347704We're not talking about all of GRRM's work, we're talking about the shitting scene
>>215344992Mystery box
>>215347704I read GRM books - it is all low brow smut. He is le ebin subverserino that seethes against basic mythology. It's why he got stuck with GoT in the first place.
There's no comparison. Tolkien outclasses gurm in every metric. Prose, pacing, thematic depth. The only thing one could argue gurm does "better" is dialogue, but when the setting and depth is just a bitter soap opera without an ending, the quips matter less.
>>215347727compelling: evoking interest, attention, or admiration in a powerfully irresistible way.
>>215343480> Tolkien dragons are like cartoon villains.Ok that’s fine nigger. We don’t need Shakespeare.GRRM dragons have this ambiguity to them. Are they dumb animals? Are they intelligent, ancient beasts linked to the Targaryens very bloodline. Their origins are shrouded in forbidden magic. What was done to create them?Way more interesting than me likey shiney thingsJJ Abram’s Mystery box bullshit ladies and gentlemen.
>>215347806Personally, detailed passages about shitting repulse my interest and attention but you can like whatever you want
>>215347806pulling out dictionary definitions is a major midwit indicatorpar for the course for the gurm defense force
>>215347844>>215347851being disgusted by a disgusting moment a character is going through is somehow a bad thing
>>215344192Such a fucking contrived scene.
Jabberwocky is a better parody of Beowulf than anything by Tolkien.
>>215347881Okay enjoy your poop book
>>215344688That looks like a baby with poop on it.
>>215347954I don't think Tolkien was trying to parody Beowulf though was he
>>215344888So all the half-elves are related? Huh.
>>215347881I don't read fantasy stories for their detailed passages about diarrhea
>>215347963
>>215343365>symbolism is le bad
>>215347413How do you think Sauron created werewolves? He took wolves and used his dark magic to possess the main first werewolf with evil maiar spirits. Maiar exist before the creation of the world in the divine music, time is irrelevant here. I'm not convinced that dragons are maiar possessed but it does have explanatory power. Maiar choosing evil and thus forgetting their origins and delving into their appetites with some knowledge of their original evil inherent to their dispositions and senses would make total sense. If Sauron was cooking that shit up and creating abominations, what magic do you think Morgoth had? It was him who taught Sauron to mix his existing building and creation autism and intelligence into evil dark arts like necromancy shape shifting and harnessing evil spirits.
While I appreciate shitting on GURM as much as possible, this is a profound understatement of what dragons are in ASoIaF.
>>215348037Lol! Post more GoT memes, so funny!
Why or how is Tolkien considered good cinema? Game of Thrones isn't any better, but at least I got to see tits in that.Anything Hobbit, Lord of the Rings related has just been boring and no fan service.Sorry if I don't want to sound like a retard and use the word "Kino"
>>215348108the floor is yours, anonexplain how these stupid dragon-shaped animals actually do justice to the classical idea of a divine beast
>>215348111
Reminder that tolkienfags shitting on Gurm for not completing his magnum opus makes zero sense considering he only finished approximately 80% of his (The Silmarillion).
>>215348178difference is Tolkien put out a finished fantasy saga before that and Gurm never finished anything
>>215348214Tolkien didn't consider it his main work thoughever, even if it became known as such later.
>>215348178He still finished his main series. Meanwhile, George hasn’t put out a new entry in nearly 15 years. That tranny who told George to his face that he’ll never finish was right.
>>215348178Silmarillion isn't even a novel, it's a bunch of random private writings that were compiled as le lore
>>215348256doesn't matter
>>215344292He is on the record saying exactly that.
>>215348269After LOTR Tolkien had 19 years to publish the Silmarillion.
It's established multiple times in ASOIAF that Dragons are some of the most powerful creatures that exist in that universe and their existence shaped the creation of nations, cultures, peoples etc. They're linked closely with the ebb and flow of magic itself and the people strongly associated with them (the Valyrians) are basically superhuman in some manner. The entire fucking premise of Game of Thrones is basically an analogy of how the kingdom was united by dragons and that with the dragons gone, that unity is corroding. Their historical influence and the symbology make them profoundly important. The SYMBOL of a Dragon inspires intense feelings in the people of Westeros, even though that can represent anything from Valryia, to the Targaryens, to Dragons themselves, etc. It's multifaceted which is then also represented by the heraldry itself.Smaug just lives in a fucking cave. He doesn't represent any sort of classical ideal of a dragon (i.e. St George) or anything. In the classical hero's journey, the dragon is the central antagonist, typically represents some grander oppression that the hero needs to overcome, and then has to be slain/overcome for the hero to come of age and prevail. Smaug isn't that at all, he's barely even in the same position as a Sphinx, narratively.This is such a shit comparison.
>>215346606>ASoIaF has better characters.This is something a midwit would believe. George RR Martin wouldn't be able to write a myth like LOTR. He's a fat slob who lives in excess with zero real convictions or guiding principle philosophy other than writing about muh realism.Realism is cool I guess, but LOTR expresses timeless moral truths. Where good and evil are real and one can fall or rise in relation to them. You can write the most gritty flawed fucked up morally ambiguous characters you want. That doesn't make them better than Tolkien's which stand for ideas larger than themselves. Loyalty, mercy, wisdom over pride, etc. It gives the story strong resonant themes that are entirely driven by the characters. Meanwhile ASOIAF is a vomit of ideas with no direction and he's written himself into such a corner he will never finish his series. Even if he did the conclusion would stand for nothing other than to wrap up the plot threads.
>>215348350>he didn’t finish the lore book he made for shits and gigglesMeanwhile George left his main characters shitting themselves for 15 years like the mafia 3 kid.
>>215347704is not just some passages, cope>Walk with me, my sweet summer child, and hear the tale of fat pink masts jutting into sopping wet myrish swamps and black nipples brushing against silk until her cunt became the world while in the privy the princess guzzled arbor gold and shat but the more she drank the more she shat until she was shitting brown water and around her the planks of the ship groaned like a fat man taking a shit while she cursed the gods and nuncle smiled as he broke his fast on black bread, bacon burned black, and mulled wine while capon-grease dribbled down his chin and onto the boiled leather of his jerkin for she was wet with love and did she not know words are wind and dark wings bring dark words and a lannister always pays her debts and mayhaps this is nothing but a mummers farce and useless as nipples on a breastplate and the princess has been fucking lancel and moonboy for all nuncle knows and he is the blood of the dragon for the night is dark and full of terrors but where do whores go and jon snow knows nothing and near enough makes no matter so nuncle smiled and dipped the heel of his bread into clam chowder and prayed for half a hundred more heh har HODOR
>>215348912you're the one coping posting a bunch of schizobabble
>>215349047Basically all the fantastical passages of his novels, stop defending the dysgenic Jew so much here, the damage control is pathetic, brownboi.
>>215348350>>215348178The Silmarillion came with his son, LOTR Tolkien magnus opus, you Fartin fans seems (besides brown and dysgenic) clearly dumb...
when the only criticisms is pointing to the same handful of sex scenes and the one dysentery scene that makes up maybe 1% of the books which is being generous, you know it's someone that doesn't have any real argument
when the only criticisms is pointing to the same chunk of poop that makes up maybe 1% of the dish which is being generous, you know it's someone that doesn't have any real argument
>>215347528>All of the actual writing is better because GRRM was a great writer.>the more she shatTolkien is the best writer to ever live.
>>215343480This is the truth. What makes ASoIaF so engaging are all the things we DONT know, not what we do know.Tolkein over-explained everything. There is no mystery in his world. Ironically, there is no *magic*. GRRM on the other hand lets our minds dance with wonder as to what might be?What are dragons? What could they be or do? What are their motivations?These are all far more interesting that Tolkein's cartoon dragons.
>>215349983OILY BLACKSTONE
>>215345666>Tolkien tells a fairy-tale without any basis on human emotion or behaviour
>>215349983>Tolkein over-explained everything.
>>215343306I know this thread is bait of some kind but Jesus Christ what kind of stupid fucking statement is that redditor trying to make in his post? In Tolkien dragons are powerful gods and GoT dragons are just a monstrous beast that is somehow symbiotic with Targaryen people or some shit. There’s no right or wrong answer to writing a dragon (a fictional monster), it can be a feral species of beast or intelligent race of beings or whatever doesn’t matter, it’s fucking made up whatever fits the narrative better. God I hate fucking reddit, those pseud trans kids loving freaks.
>>215343306best thread up rn
>>215348178Silmarillion was rejected by the publisher, so Tolkien wrote (and finished) LotR.Martin hasn't had anything rejected, he's just sitting on his fat ass. Nor has he finished anything noteworthy in the time the book has been lying unfinished. Nor does he have children to finish his work when he dies (which will be soon).
George is a war veteran, considered one of the greatest war heroes of all times and he wrote based on his experience.Tolkien was just a faggy gender studies professor at some faggy university so he based his dragons on his imagination
>>215351255You can make better b8 than that nigga.
>>215351113>whoa great thread!Fuck off OP, your thread was about to die so you bumped it.
>>215344642>What is the symbolic meaning of a magical creature that is drawn to hoards of gold?
>>215349983I hate you.
>>215345666>Tolkien tells a fairy-tale without any basis on human emotionThis is the brownest thing I've ever read. LotR is possibly the most "human" book ever written.
>>215351529>DUDE JOOS LMAO Dwarves were Tolkien’s jews.
>>215343480>Less is more, that's why GoT is better than Lotr Is it opposite day?
>>215345756kek
>>215347023Oh wow this fake thing does this thing because of things that arnt true wow such symbolism
Do Tolkienfags ever read other fantasy books or just endlessly dicksuck LOTR?
>>215345629The implication is that the whole reason Morgoth is even butthurt with Eru Illuvatar in the first place is that he wanted to create life, but he couldn't because only Eru Illuvatar can do that with access to the flame imperishable.Morgoth made the orcs, they were physically alive, but imbecilic, and they had no true life or soul in them. It seems really, really fucking clear that the one thing Morgoth would need is some glimmer of a soul, and orc rape would be the absolute easiest way to accomplish that; all he needs is some captured elves, and some orc studs.It's a pretty clear-cut scenario, and it's mentioned that elven maids went missing in large numbers around the time orcs were appearing. Not hard to put two and two together.Yeah, orcs came from elf torture. I just think "elf torture" is a lot more obviously carnal than you're willing to admit.They were mass raped by soulless mongoloids summoned up by Morgoth until Morgoth finally bred enough of a soul into his orcs for them to be viable on their own.Tolkien was just classy enough to not dwell on it.
>>215345321>Dragon named Drogonlmao who writes this shit
>>215345666>George has a whole lot more to say about human beings.like what exactly? incest babies shouldn't rule the kingdom?
>>215352915I haven't read this but I read the whole fucking Prince of Nothing series on /lit/'s recommendation and beyond the first book it was the biggest fucking waste of time of my fucking life. What a wet fart of an ending.Is this actually fucking worth reading or not?
>>215345321In the books dragons are still puppy-sized
>>215352915yes
>>215352791Tolkien's dwarves were copied almost one to one from Nordic mythology right down to their names. The only Jewish thing was the language he invented for them. They're actully the creatures that match their traditional counterparts the closest.>Spawn from the ground>Seemingly all male or 90% male>Big ass beards>Live underground on seemingly little food>Smiths, creators of legendary artifacts>Born early in the world>Obsessed with treasure, simple minded>Barely reproduce, dwindling species>Just kind of short, not short enough to be plot relevantThe main difference is that Tolkien's dwarves cannot shapeshift intl animals.
>>215343306I thought Glaurung was the first and best dragon or whatever, not Ancalagon the nigga. And he was more of a serpentine worm creature with black magic capabilities than an actual flying beast. Like other obscure things in Silmarillion (vampires, werewolves) I imagine them to be more akin to evil spriits given physical form rather than 1:1 iterations of how they appear in popular literature
>>215353018Yeah Malazan is a lot easier to understand than The Second Apocalypse, very simple themes, characters, etc. It's basically an anime.
>>215353192I liked a lot of things about the Prince of Nothing but the ending fell so flat for me (not the ending of that book or the first trilogy but I mean the end of the series).
>>215353018Lotrbabby got filtered by Based Bakker
>>215353285Bakker is a masterful sentence-to-sentence writer and the first trilogy was great, would've been great if it stopped right there even. But he could not stick the landing in the longer series.
>>215352915how can she fly?
>>215345076in GoT/ASOIAF they somehow survive decades long winters off of medieval-level agriculture, which should be essentially impossible even with 1950s level tech and almost impossible with 2025 tech
>>215353334Aspect Emperor > Prince of Nothing, also it's the end of the series, No-God is coming soon, two more weeks.
>>215343306GoT is absolute dogshit not worth the paper it's printed on but animalistic dragons are a perfectly valid take.
>>215353468Well, if he actually finishes the series and drops another trilogy, I will obviously dogeza and apologize.Also, what's with the curved phalluses
>>215353441humanity survived 100000 long ice age nigga
>>215343480Tolkien can actually finish his series. GRRM is the biggest hack of the century. He has no clue where to take his story. He will die before he gives GoT an ending.
>>215353441winters aren't that long they're usually like 2-6 years but yeah it's still something that you kinda have to ignore when it comes to the realism
