>Loses to literal deus ex machina when God (the same omnipotent/omniscent/omnipresent god as the Bible) makes Gollum slip.wtf was the point of all that if he was just going to save the day anyway? Why not just make Sauron explode?
>>215359575>/tv/ - Television & FilmThats the book. In the movie Frodo gets mad and just pushes Gollum (w/ the ring) into the lava.
>>215359575Why Frodo and Sam did not save Gollum by putting him intova rehab like they did with Chris? He was a sick man.
>>215359575>deus ex machinaThat's not in the book retard. Gollum falls because he is so greedily ecstatic that he trips over his own feet
your pic is an even bigger plot hole. if sauron with the ring can be defeated, why try so hard to begin with? elrond could probably solo him.
>>215359575Everything that happens in Middleearth is foretold by the music of the Ainur.Melkor, the devil, added discontent to the song, but God managed to incorporate it into the song harmonically. So bad stuff happens, but it all ends well.
>>215360554The issue isn't Sauron + Ring, it's Sauron's armies.He'll win unless you cut off the head of the serpent, aka kill him permanently by destroying the Ring
>>215359575Sauron had to learn his lesson.
Why didn't Eru stop him before he killed all those people?
>>215360545It's actually the ring. Frodo makes Gollum swear by the ring earlier in the book and explicitly says if Gollum betrays him he'll force Gollum to throw himself into the fire.Tolkien has a thing for pointing out how evil not only ruins itself but also leads to good, basically God playing 4d chess to allow his creations endowed by the gift of free will to grow and improve themselves even if some abuse that free will to harm others. "Behold the cunning work of frost! Do see that there is nothing that does not have its uttermost end in me?"
>>215360545No, in the book it's Eru who makes Gollum fall, but it's only really spelled out in Tolkien's letters.
>>215359575because free will or something
>>215360554Because he'll just keep coming back
Sauron should have won, he earned it.
>>215361613Is Eru willing, but unable? Then He is not omnipotent.Is Eru able, but unwilling? Then He is not good.
Yeah, i don't believe in the divine intervention. It ruins the whole idea of sparing gollum in all those previous scenes. Iluvatar isn't real.
>>215359575at least the movie had the sense to add frodo fighting him for it so they both went over the edge instead of gollum just falling off because he was celebrating too hard
