>That Rise of Skywalker drop offoof
>>215371891Rian is so based for killing this franchise
>>215371891Anyone who is still even thinking about Star Wars in 2025 has Chris-chan/Sonic autism type.
>>215371910Unfortunately, he didn't kill it. He just made it rotten, and Filoni and Gilroy made it worse for different reasons.
>>215371891I forgot they spent 412 million. it including promotions on Rise of Skywalker. Jesus
That new Rey trilogy will right the ship. They're going to start filming any day now,.for realsies. Daisy told me she's sitting by the phone waiting for the call.
If it was really that bad, it's absurd they didn't try to correct it more drastically. I guess they did, in the sense they've basically given up on big movies, but not really in terms of direction.
Baby Yeed movie will make a billie
>>215371891How the fuck did Solo make a profit?
>>215372027Threw some cool shit on the screen like the 40k imperial guard homage
>>215371891>superman made three times as much profit as the rise of skywalkerDayummmmmmmmm no wonder disneyshills are seething
>>215372027It didn’t make Got a negative sign. Lost them 103 million and is why they haven’t done a SW movie since
>>215371891The profits are actually lower because Forbes calculated this using the 50% rule, which is generally less accurate then taking 60% of the domestic revenue and 40% of the international revenue when calculating how much the studio takes home. In fact, even that rule isn’t perfectly accurate since it assumes all international revenue is 40%, when in reality it ranges between 20-40% depending on the country. Also, Forbes did not account for the marketing budget in their analysis. With the 60/40 rule TLJ for example only made 356.8 in profit, but that didn’t count the marketing budget which was likely somewhere between 100-150m, maybe even more. Look at TRS you can see it certainly lost money after accounting for the marketing budget.
basically, they bought the biggest film franchise ever for $4,5 billion, and they only recouped $1 billion after a decade and 5 movies.in the future they will study this shit in business schools.
>>215371891Was this a good investment of 4Bn Dollars?
>>215372099They invested more than $4b, they built those parks, set up the shows and cartoons, and who knows what other dark money is out there spent on this shit.
>>215372099They've probably broken even with toys and theme park shit.
>>215372080This. Forbes is retarded and still uses “muh theaters take half.” Studios take 70-90% opening weekend. Reportedly Disney takes 90% opening weekend
>>215372123Those parks, whatever happened there?
>>215371891Give the male franchise to feminists and cucks, they quickly run it into the ground. Now Disney desperately tries to find movies for men.
Based Caroline Reid.
>>215372315Why was TLJ so popular? I thought everyone hated it?
>>215372315This is only box office, it doesn't include home video or merchandise.
>>215372188Ya, it’s impossible to say how much the studio’s take, because even 60% isn’t accurate for domestic because studios take a higher percentage like 75% opening weeks, depending on the studio sometimes even more. Then it scales down and it might average around 60% but no one knows if it does. But just taking 50% has to be the worst way, and not even accounting for marketing is retarded.
>>215371891I've said it before, and I'll say it again. TLJ intentionally destroyed as much good will as they possibly could. Rian chuckled his fat stupid head off for this because he's a shitty person to his core.As a life-long Star Wars fan, and I know this is true with others, Star Wars simply no longer exists outside of the George Lucas era. I haven't watched a single Disney product since TLJ, and I never will. No Mando, no upcoming films, nothing, literally nothing. You wanted us gone, we're gone.
>>215372445Obviously studios going to want the more opening weekend since they spent a fortune promoting the movie. Idea that they’d let theaters take half their opening profit just for playing the movie is ridiculous. Theaters make their money off concessions. Always have
>>215372351>home video Lol>merchandiseThe biggest cope, especially for star wars. Star Wars is always going to sell merchandise. And if the merchandise revenue was so high, Disney would have kept making Star Wars movies. Disney knows how much they make in merchandise, and they probably see it didn’t go up much in the years they released the movies, at least not for for the poorly received ones like TLJ and TRS. If those movies, especially TRS, were moving the needle much, if at all, with merchandise they would have kept making movies even if they flopped. But they stopped because no one is buying merchandise for movies they don’t like, and whatever Star Wars merchandise was sold would have sold anyway without making a flop.
Also, I suspect, and I notice the board is flooded with SW shit atm, that Rian and or his "buddies" are here stirring shit as usual when they're bored. I will never watch anything Rian so much as touches.Nothing he directs, produces, writes, or even steps on set to chat. You need customers to keep getting work, you'll never sell me a single ticket. Get fucked, round head.
>>215372158lmao, no.stores were full of unsold nu-Star Wars merchandise, and the theme park was a huge failure as well. The Star Wars themed hotel is currently being demolished.
>>215372158>They've probably broken even with toys and theme park shitYou should see all the Star Wars toys rotting at Ollie's and Ross. They are selling so poorly that a good chunk of their releases are "Fan Channel" exclusives only sold through the Hasbro website because no retailers are willing to risk getting stuck with shit that doesn't sell.
>>215372459TLJ is a masterpiece of subversion. It pretty much subverted everything from the first film >only main line Star Wars film without lightsaber clashes>rey is le nobody > anakin’s lightsaber is unimportant actually (i kinda liked this one though)>Kylo was just acting in self defense and Luke was the aggressor>Rey brutally friendzones Finn and falls for the dude her tortured her instead>Luke dies unceremoniously after failing to do anything of note >Leia calls for help but no one shows up >They completely fail to find the expert code breaker on the Las Vegas planet and just waste everyone’s timeLike the whole thing is just amazing big “fuck you” to the audience.
>>215372351>This is only box office, it doesn't include home video or merchandise.So, where are those numbers, you contrarian faggot? They all went into the shitter with each film. RoS had the LOWEST EVER toy aisle rollout in SW history atfer TLJ toys bombed so fucking hard. They went from a full aisle to a single peg worth of figures for RoS.Shut your mother fucking mouth with your retarded "whataboutism" UNLESS you have the data to back up your bullshit. (you can't)
>>215372340There was still some good faith until then. "TFA was just a reset, now they can do whatever they want" etc. Its hate is expressed in nobody going to star wars movies afterwards
>>215372592Okay, and? Why the fuck should I care, and why'd you tag me with your faggotry? Rian, is that you?
>>215371910This. Truly split the fan base and it never recovered. Golden
>>215372616It’s unsurprising that a Star Wars fanboy wouldn’t get it.
>1977-19993 movies released every 3 years and 2 TVs that don't really count1999-20154 movies released every 3 years and 2 TV shows>2015-20255 movies released every year and 13 TV showsGee, I wonder why people lost interest in this franchise.
>>215372080Do you fags not realize marketing costs only consider domestic marketing?
>>215372790If those 5 movies and 13 tv shows had been good, people would be more interested. They almost recovered their core fanbase with The Mandalorian, but they had to milk the Baby Yoda shit that normie wine aunts had latched onto.
>>215372281That tongue got mangled by those wicked chompers. Dont put ya dick in there. Yikes.
>>215372340TLJ was the only one worth seeing in theaters
>>215372445Theaters don't make money on movies. They make money on concessions. That's why it's 5 bucks for a large Coke and another 5 for some popcorn.It's the same way bands don't really make money on record sales unless they are a huge legacy act and can renegotiate their contracts. Bands make money on concert tickets and merch. But even that is drying up because the labels demand a cut of that too.
>>215373040heres a (you)
>>215371891>trsno fucking way the tanked that muchSomeone would have killed themselves for flopping THAT HARD.
>>215371910I honestly sometimes wonder if he didn’t do it on purpose. I think it’s interesting that the only good line in his movie was “let the past die, kill it if you have to”
>>215373134Wtf is a band, boomer? I got bands around my cheddah.
>>215373238He was probably trying to do a reverse Empire Strikes Back (with Rey going to the dark and Kylo going to the light) but Disney refused to go through with it.
>>215371891Imagine believing this shit. There's no way Solo made 100 million.
>>215371891so the 500m represents the goodwill of the fandom, this is the profit they could have made with every movie.
>>215373287It lost 100 million, slowpoke.
>>215373238>I honestly sometimes wonder if he didn’t do it on purposeif it's even remotely a mystery to you, you're fucking retarded dude
>>215373281no he literally said out loud to anyone who would listen he was trying to completely destroy what star wars is/was up to that pointhe's the literal embodiment of a hack retard faggot
>>215371891Gilroybros, we keep on winning
>>215373366Source?
>>215373287retard
>>215372099The price is higher than that because Disney paid George half in cash and half in stocks. Even with the mess Disney have made of things this past decade the stocks are still worth twice as much now as they were when the deal was made, so the sale is actually somewhere in the region of 6 billion or more.
>>215371891It all made profit :^)
>>215371891Daily reminder there are "people" who actually like Rise of Skywalker and think it's a better film than Last Jedi
>>215373474Solo lost $103M
>>215373400Wow TLJ haters really are dumb
so they still haven't managed to recoup the initial 4 billie given to george?
>>215373570j-just 2 more spin offs bro
>>215371910>Rian is so based for killing this franchiseJust two more weeks.
>>215373477>Daily reminder there are "people" who actually like Rise of Skywalker and think it's a better film than Last JediAnd the sad thing is their vote counts as much as yours does.
>>215372340What other anon said. Plus I remember around the time that people (somewhat reasonably so) assumed it would be good cause of Rian. After all, he directed Brick, Looper, and the highest rated Breaking Bad episode. I'm partial to the "inside job" theory that he did it on purpose. No idea why, and I loved my heckin Star Wars back then, but he did it. He made the poison pill that killed the biggest movie franchise on the planet.
>>215373477Which was the better death? Dying on a ship as two Force users rip it apart. Or is it the Legends version where the Chewbacca guy is mistakenly left behind and howling defiantly as a planet smashes into the planet he was on.Oh my mistake, AI Google says it was a moon that kills Chewbacca and he died making a heroic sacrifice getting refugees and a Solo heir to safety.
>>215373728Don't remind me.
>>215372340People were still hyped by star wars back then but TLJ had the biggest second weekend drop and the biggest movie to sequel drop, both in dollar count, in Hollywood history. No Star Wars movie or show has broken even ever since
>>215373614>Just two more weeks.Anon it's been dead for almost 8 years now
>>215373907>Anon it's been dead for almost 8 years nowIn just two more weeks we will no longer talk about Star Wars.
>>215371910He really was the moment it went to shit. Good will was at an all time high going into Last Jedi, then it falls off a literal cliff. Hilarious
>>215373920>we will no longer talk about Star Wars.It is a group of autists specific job to make dozens of daily star wars seethe bait threads. They are intentional in wanting to keep much of the board in a start of negativity and anger.
SAY HER FULL NAME, INCELSREI PALPATINE SKYWALKER-SOLO>SoloShe's basically ghost married to Darth Dopey and Han wanted to adopt her in the first movie.
>>215372027>>215372038It didn't you retard. Look at the fucking image again
>>215373287Embarrassing dumbass
>>215373755Chewie doing the Elias death pose and Han blaming his son for his death sounds kino
>>215373962>It is a group of autists specific job to make dozens of daily star wars seethe bait threads. They are intentional in wanting to keep much of the board in a start of negativity and anger.Yup, and we won’t have any news stuff to talk about. Except for the shows, and the games, and the new movies coming out.
>>215371891It's fucking insane that so many people actually went and watched this shit to begin with.
>>215373742And worst than that his boss at LFL, Kathleen Kennedy, and ultimately her boss at Disney, had to sign off on Ryan's screenplay and take on the movie. No one in the process ever read it and said "dude, seriously? No. We are not making Luke Skywalker the Jedi equivalent of a deadbeat dad and end the movie with non-Skywalker kids playing with the Force like it's a party trick. And this whole part on the casino world is pointless and can be trashed. And didn't we do enough damage to Captain Phasma in the last movie? And good job dickface, you just made space battles pointless when all you have to do is turn a ship into a big drone and hit the hyperspace drive to take out an invading fleet. And you open the movie with a mama joke?"
>>215371921So it's exactly the same as ten years ago.
>>215371891So Rogue One actually made profit despite being filmed twice? LMAO.
>>215373486It's weird how people pretend it wasn't feminist trash before the Disney shit.
>>215374034>>215372459>>215373742Nobody will ever convince me that Rian got to where he is through merit. No sane, reasonable executive who wants their company to make money would give him carte blanche to do whatever he wanted and then sign off on it all. I 100% believe he has some kind of pull or connection at Lucasfilm, maybe some blackmail on a higher-up.
>>215374043No I would’ve described myself as a simple fan, and I saw ep 7 in theaters. It was shit and my interest fell off.
>>215373974why is this audition tape so funny
>>215374098thisall they had to do was nothingmake it an adventure film in spacehave a relatable main character, hot babes, and make it funthey decided instead that star wars was this giga-serious franchise and ended up making the most unserious films imaginable as a resultthe blame is on kk and speilberg entirely
>>215371891if this doesn't include marketing than rise didn't make a profit either
>>215374098>I saw ep 7 in theaters. It was shit and my interest fell off.Same. Never understood why everyone seemed to like it.Later saw the other two on streaming. Things did not improve.
>>215373477I think there's unironically very few people who legitimately enjoy TROS. At best, the diehard Star Wars slopthralls might tolerate it out of brand loyalty, but I don't think I've ever seen a better example of a movie that managed to piss off absolutely every possible audience imaginable while also appealing to no one.The only thing comparable is pic related.
>>215372340A lot of people thought TFA was just the new trilogy getting off to a rough start and that the next movie would be good
>>215371891Every bit of star wars media after the prequels has been such a wierd attempt at making a “star wars product” that will sell well but none of them friggin hit the mark. It reminds me of when I generate a great ai image and then try to img2img new versions but they’re all terrible compared to the first, even though they have all of the same elements
>>215371910It's impressive. But being a troll manchild doesn't make one based
>>215374286I don't think I remember anything about TROS. It just moved so quickly from set to set without really lingering on any point or character, constantly saying or doing stupid shit that my brain instinctively tries to ignore. The only thin I can remember about that movie is that stupid knife map thing and the emperor being alive in a pocket dimension filled with star destroyers or some shit. I don't even remember how the movie was resolved.
>>215374092I think it's a combination of his being an already successful director and KK and the board at Disney truly not understanding what makes a good story, a poor story, or anything the other creatives understand because they are business types and not storytellers. He came in with a grudge for some reason and spun a tale about subverting expectations and Rey's girlboss saga and the suits just thought it sounded great. The pushback really was unexpected because they never thought in their wildest dreams that people wouldn't like something with Star Wars on it.
>>215373400He read it on 4chan
>>215372281Look at her perfect teeth. Many a man would want to be consumed.
>>215371891>total profit: $1.2342 bWow! That's over a quarter of the way to recouping their investment! Great job guys!
>>215373952>He really was the moment it went to shit. Good will was at an all time high going into Last JediHey JJ don't you have another franchise to go kill?
>>215373477Did these people never pretend like they were Jedi as kids? Don't they know that if using one hand isn't enough, use BOTH HANDS to exert whatever force magic bullshit to be even stronger? Just one hand looks stupid, especially in a tug of war situation.
>>215374348>I don't even remember how the movie was resolved.Rey turns to the dark side and kills Palps, Ben, Poe and Finn. The universe is plunged into eternal chaotic darkness. The closing shot is Rey killing some random stranger.
>>2153723402 things:>it was the sequel to TFARianbots with an agenda make it hard to remember, but TFA was stupidly popular. It was like the 2nd or 3rd highest grossing film of all time until Infinity War/Endgame, and one of a select few films that made over $2b at the box office.It was incredibly inoffensive and leaned heavy into nostalgia while also introducing new characters and starting from the 'beginning' (ie a soft reboot), making it universally appealing to all but the perpetually triggered.A sequel to that was always going to do well.>it was heavily advertised as the return of Luke SkywalkerStar Wars fans had been waiting for this for 30 years.But consider that almost every sequel outperforms the first film (word of mouth, fomo, first film basically acting as an ad for the second film etc), and then compare its box office to TFA and it should be quite clear what the fuck happened.
>>215374481>Rey Who?Mind your own business lady, I don't even know you
>>215373477Were they trying to imply that force lightning is genetic instead of force power that requires training and concentration to use?
>>215373477Daily reminder that there are people who actually watched and have an opinion on The Rise of Skywalker after seeing the Last Jedi abomination
>>215371891>inb4 people blame Rian Johnson and not George Lucas and the prequels
>>215371891well they deserve it
>>215374034>No one in the process ever read it and said "dude, seriously? No. We are not making Luke Skywalker the Jedi equivalent of a deadbeat dad and end the movie with non-Skywalker kids playing with the Force like it's a party trick.Trevorrow basically said that and was fired for it
>>215374517Don't read into it too much. the creativity level that went into this is "oh she's mad, she's grimacing, so she'll lose control and accidentally a dark side power."Also the only point of foreshadowing their asspull of Palpatine's granddaughter.
>>215374542My favourite is that one dude who randomly whirls out of the frame in the background
>>215374512nta but it was triggering to me because it was rehashing old plot points and didn't feel like a natural follow up to RotJ at all.
>>215374577He tried spinning, it's a good trick.
>>215374092Dude, all you have to do is read his wiki biography. No, he didn't get there through merit. He got there through complaining and making connections early on.
>>215374577He realized how bad the movie was and went "fuck this shit, Im out"
>>215371891There's no way TROS actually made a profit
>Madame Kennedy, I'm ready to start shooting that movie now... >Or y'know I'm just happy to help in anything you're working on... >W-we're still doing my movie, r-right?
>>215371910>implying he did it on purposeThe copium if sequelfags is astounding.
>>215374087That's what was so frustrating about 2010's era SJWism. We kept telling you "you've already won all of these battles", and it was never enough for them.>look at my character. It's the first female character in a movie ever!>no it isn't>well it's the first strong female character in a movie ever!>no it isn't>well it's the first strong black female character in a movie ever!etc etcEventually they just backed themselves into a corner where nothing short of a tranny fighting off the last vestiges of the TERF empire was acceptable to them as a narrative(while also pretending to be friends with Muslims), and that's why no one listens to them anymore.
>>215372281How do you feel about Rey's teeth, anons?
>>215373920We still talk about Loony Toons, and that franchise is dead too.
>>215373238>I honestly sometimes wonder if he didn’t do it on purpose.Ofc he did, and not just for the leftie woke points but for personal reasons too. His dad was a massive Luke Skywalker fan, and Rian hates his dad.
>>215374906Loony Toons is kind of an exception, because the core of it is really timeless. I don't know if it's possible to even kill it as a franchise without actively trying.
>>215373477I've heard people say it was better than TLJ.Some people were so mindbroken by TLJ, just having Luke show up and say "the Jedi aren't shit, actually", actually counted for something in their heads. Something beyond patronising levels of pandering, and an awkward attempt to patch up the damage done by a movie that shouldn't have released in the first place(which was already the second movie in a trilogy that started on bad footing).
>>215371921I think about the Empire every day.
>>215372216The hotel experience alone was a billion dollars. Did it even last a year?
>>215372340they had to see it first to hate it lol, then you can see TLJ hate reflected in the HUGE dropoff with TROS which no one fucking saw because TLJ was such a slap in the face most Star Wars fans refused to go see it. >>215372351>or merchandisenigga Star Wars toys started rotting on shelves and filling bargain bins after TLJ killed the franchise, at this point it's nostalgia for the Lucas era and baby yoda shit that sells, nothing else
>>215374929Star Wars was timeless, until they decided to subvert everything that felt timeless about it, and turn it into more nihilistic modern slop, where the only message is "be who you want to be".
>>215371891So Solo wasn't even a flop.
>>215375109That's a negative number
>>215375122Oh shit, thanks anon kek
>>215373238i really thought that in his head he was going to be heralded as like this visionary who turned a schlocky corporate media franchise like Star Wars into some subversive David Lynch arthouse thing and would change the face of sci-fi forever and revolutionize Star Wars as a concept. he's so far up his own ass.>>215373281there is nothing to indicate that at any point he was trying to tell an interesting or compelling story, literally every single creative choice he made was intentionally done to spite anyone who liked any piece of media from this franchise before.>>215374034>>215374092the jews at disney saw that it was about how women are awesome and men are all dumb failures and actually canon is stupid and you should just let media conglomerates buy and ruin your favorite things, that was enough for them to sign off on it. like did you know that when kathleen kennedy took over star wars she hired a team made up exclusively of women who don't like star wars to run the franchise from lucasfilm?
>>215375122fun star wars canon fact , there are no negative numbers in star wars
>>215375109Solo got two minuses in front. Maybe it means it did make a profit or it's peak flopper
>>215372790>>1977-1999>3 movies released every 3 yearsHoliday Special and Ewok movies erasure, wtf.
>>215371891If only this were true
>>215372027the future of 4chan is very grim
>>215374313The trailer was masterfully crafted to make it look amazing. To this day i'm impressed with that bit of subterfuge.
>>215372158Toys have been selling poorly since shortly before TLJ. As far as theme park shit goes, people have been shittalking Galaxy's Edge prices for years so it can't be making much, or at least not nearly enough to make up the difference. There's also the hotel that closed down after only a year, and as an aside the announcement of its closing was probably the most publicity it ever got. It's not looking good for Disney-Lucasfilm.
>>215375254*The TLJ trailer, that is.
>>215372027Retard twatter used a dash to separate them a negative sign instead of parenthesis to avoid confusion
>>215375051>Did it even last a year?>Opened: March 1, 2022>Closed: September 30, 2023Pretty much only a year.
>>215372340>everyone hated itExactly. One needs to see it to hate it
>>215372340Bear in mind there was a $0.7B fall-off from TFA. Everyone went to see to go see it, but unlike with TFA there were no repeat viewings.
>>215372315>the most profitable of them only barely broke evenJesus.
>>215375172>some subversive David Lynch arthouse thingL Y N C H E D
>>215371921So like the 80s the 90s the 2000s
I thought Rise was the better one of those movies.
>>215376148dude a Star Wars thing directed by Lynch would have been kino, it would have actually been thoughtful and subversive in a smart way and not just I MADE THAT THING YOU LIKE DUMB TEE HEE I'M SO SMART
>>215371891>TROS made only 50 million profitFucking top kek. Reminder that ANH made $3.5 billion in profit, when adjusted for inflation. Also George's classic, American Graffiti, brought in $150 million on a budget of $700,000. That's equivalent to $1 billion dollars in profit. Disney are a fucking joke.
>>215376275If Dune almost broke him, Return of the Jedi would have killed him dead, and we wouldn't have Twin Peaks.
>>215376601sellout Lynch directing RotJ would have sucked, i mean during the prequels era when he was still young/healthy enough to do it and George still controlled the franchise so he wouldn't have had Kathleen Kennedy breathing down his neck encouraging him to put another causasian woman with brown hair into the lead role of the movie
>>215372340The trailer was fucking amazing and there was still good faith with the series prior to release
>>215371992It’s much easier to hide that the shows don’t make any money when they are tied to a subscription platform
>>215375462that's not what breakeven means retard, if you had spending of 271 and your profit is 258 then you made revenue of 520: your breakeven point was 271
>>215376667every single streaming service lies about their numbers and viewership figures but are still allowed to value their company and report profit based on numbers they make up. it's honestly staggering the level of fraud they're allowed to get away with, basically for national security reasons because entertainment is an important export for the US.
>>215371891Rey should have been the villian in Rise of Skywalker, giving in to her Sheev DNA, and Ben Solo defeats her
>>215376725Moar
>>215372592Nothing about that was amazing in any way. It was just boring, stupid, and at best insulting.
>>215372610TFA was not a reset, it was a commercial for the next film, and nothing more.
>>215376701It's the Enron model. The whole economy is like that now. Black box accounting based on lies, and just hoping that your company isn't the domino that knocks everything over.
>>215373294>it was never about the money>it was about sending a message
>>215371910Based Rian is onto his third Knives Out movie. This one stars Jeremy Renner in his fitst role since he was feminized by a snow plow.Meanwhile JJ Abrams has never worked again.
>>215371910JJ is the one who mortally wounded it, you dunce.Rian just finished it off.
>>215373294>this is the profit they could have made with every movie.Really should have just been an upward trajectory from there. At the end of the day, I don't think you need elaborate conspiracies and nefarious doings to explain the failure of the star wars sequels. Disney simply fell into the same trap every other major studio has fallen into since the dawn of the MCU. They forgot that you can't just go into a cinematic universe ass-first and expect everyone to follow along, doesn't matter how much the brand recognition shines. If you don't focus on making movies your audience gives a shit about, they're not going to keep showing up just because you promise them that eventually all of this will make sense. The OT and the PT (for all the shit I give it) weren't really about building a cinematic universe. They're six movies that, by and large, manage to be self contained with a beginning, middle, and end, and while they fit in a continuity, and have a larger over-arching plot, you can pretty much watch any of the films in any order, and you'll be able to figure out whats going on and enjoy (or not) the movie on its own merits. The sequel trilogy just kind of shits its pants out of the gate, and never figures out what the fuck it wants to be. There was no oversight at an executive level, no creative control, they just kind of gave a couple of assholes free reign to do whatever they wanted without any kind of sense of where they wanted the story to go.Instead you have TFA, which is just member berries, then you have TLJ which is just fuck member berries, and then rise of the revenge of the dawn of the last skywalker is just a scramble to dig up the few member berries they didn't plunder for the first movie... LOOK! LANDO'S BACK!
>>215372099>it’s not about the money it’s about sending a message
>>215376272
>>215371891Yikes! I just hope Disney isn't discouraged and stop making these films. The problem isn't with Rey!!! Everyone loves Princess Jedi Rey!!! Give her another three films, Disney!!!
>>215373024LMAO
>>215371891interesting. Now let's see the real numbers without Disney's inflated ticket sales
>>215372188Disney does not get 90%. It was big news when they asked for 65%.
>>215377105>park Reyholy Christ
>>215372099
>>215377250>The problem isn't with ReyIts not. I think all of the characters as they're introduced in TFA were perfectly fine/good characters to start telling a story with. The problem is all of that set up is jettisoned almost immediately and all the characters turn into comic relief with no agency. Rey as a gender flipped luke, an orphan living in the literal wreckage of these legendary star wars, dreaming of a life of adventure, but terrified to leave because she clings to the hope her family will come back. That's a fine protagonist who's on a backwater world necessitating exposition to her and the audience. Finn, a storm trooper who's a coward that flees at the first opportunity, he goes from one lie to another to save his own skin and before long he's up to his neck in it, but decides to stop running because now that he has friends and a cause to fight for, he finds his bravery, he doesn't need to be a jedi to be a hero. Poe as the cocky fighter jock is a just a solid SW stock character. Then have cameos by han, luke, and leia passing the torch, and a story about those three characters overcoming their weaknesses together and solidifying themselves as new heroes for a new generation of star wars.
>>215372592rian johnson making the negro who played finn seethe still to this day that his character didnt get to fuck rey is pretty funny though
>>215374695Sometimes divine intervention comes in strange forms. Like Gollum's greed resulting in him biting off Frodo's finger and falling in the lava.
>>215371992KK is cutoff from the purse strings anon, no way Disney parent company will open the bank for lucasfilm
>>215373486>Ahsoka
>>215373238>is he retarded?Don't know, it's a mystery
>>215372459>I haven't watched a single Disney product since TLJ, and I never will.god bless anon and take care, im the exact same and have said as much on this board. It also is the reason i justified a monster OLED tv to never return to the theaters. well said
>>215377437Poor Boyega
>copy episode IV in pretty much every way>main character is stuck on a desert planet>its not tatooine but 'jakku'>she's already the finished article 30 minutes into the movie>han and chewie show up as if nothing past the battle of yavin ever happenedI knew we were fucked already at that point, and unironically almost walked out halfway through. It was obvious it was in the hands of inept smug retards. They should count themselves lucky the profits were even that high.
>>215377653>didn't get no white girl>got fat hapa rose taco insteadlmaoing @ his life
>>215377653He supported Hamill when Rian butchered Luke in TLJ.
>>215371891>Solo was twice as profitable as RiseThe Absolute State Of Star Wars.
>>215377653do you think he was sold the role as a black lukeskywalker who would go on to lightsaber train with Mark. Its my schizo theory based on his saber promo photos
listen, can we have a film about TIE pilots already? I won't even complain about the multicultural girlboss rhetoric, just go steal Cobleigh's War for the Hell of it word for word plus or minus some Freespace 2 and Wing Commander missions, run it through a mouse AI scriptwriter, and send it.
>>215377714He ended racism
>>215377714this nigga so fucking goofy
>>215371891I review bombed every one of these except Rogue One. Fuck you Kathleen.
>>215377776He certainly complains a lot
>>215373486I still say making a Mara Jade standalone movie would have been such an incredibly easy way to make money as well as please both old school and younger/new fans. They owned the character and story rights so not much $ needed there, just hire a decent director whose job would be basically to not fuck it up.
>>215377856No one outside of a bunch of neckbeards even know who that is
>>215377850how does he manage to be both a celebrity and an incelhas he ever posted anything that wouldnt fit in on the incel forum
>>215377902>has he ever posted anything that wouldnt fit in on the incel forumNope, never
>>215371891>Doomcuck won
>>215377776He’s such a fucking fag
>>215371891Their number one strategy was pandering to retards like Mike Stoklasa. They deserve everything they got.
>>215372027Not sure if indian or mexican
>>215371891>>215371910You realize this confirms it was Force Awakens that killed star wars off right?People went into Force Awakens hoping for the best and getting the absolute worse. Whatever could have been saved by a sequel was finally nailed to the coffin with ironically RiseRLM are faggots and their continued denial of Force Awakens being as shit as anything is genuinely pathetic to witness.
>>215377881It doesn't matter, as you say only old fucks will even know or care. But MJ would easily satisfy the 'muh strong female lead' idiots at Disney as well as courting new younger fans that Rey was meant to appeal to but obviously did not. Plus, the cinema needs more kickass hot redheads. LOL.
>>215377776
>>215378065they'd just make her black
>>215378071he's so fucking funny mani genuinely can't understand how a celebrity can seethe this much that his fictional character didn't get to fuck another fictional character
>>215377937>>215377850>>215377776Someone post the *that* greentext
>>215371992The point is to change how you think. Money is a tool to them not a way to survive
>>215377937Actually, the problem was they cast him as a Stormtrooper, and at that point in time everyone assumed Stormtroopers were Maori Kiwi guys, because that's exactly what the prequels implied.Also, the problem is they cast *him*, and he's an obnoxious faggot.
>>215378071He’s right though. Sometimes a simp gets lucky and his girl gives him a pity fuck after Chad dumps her.
>>215372281Such a bad casting
>>215377370The first maybe twenty minutes of TFA are actually fine.Well, at least in terms of setting up characters. Not in terms of worldbuilding, which already raised so many questions like "why the fuck are the Empire back, and why is the Rebellion not the government by now?"The movie pretty much derails when they take off in the Millennium falcon, and then devolves into memberberry slop, where Rey gets to prove she's incredibly cool and talented in a series of ultimately forgettable scenes.>look she's flying the ship>look she's holding a lightsaber>look she's doing Jedi mind tricksYeah, okay. What happened to Poe? I liked him for all of about five minutes.
>>215378065>MJ would easily satisfy the 'muh strong female lead' idiots at Disney as well as courting new younger fansI agree it doesn't matter if she's unknown to most. But you can't put her through the current corporate feminist creative process or you'll inevitably turn off the only 2 groups you really need excited and hyping up franchises like this: neckbeards and normie dudes. FOMO will do the rest and lure in the other groups.
>>215372340Because most "people" are actually NPCs.
>>215378052accurate
>>215371891If she had been topless, movie would have been much better.
>>215374313But a lot of people at the time loved TFA. It's been reevaluated because the next two movies were so shitty and we now know that characters like Finn and Poe end up having no character arc whatsoever
>>215378052RLM never recovered from their bad takes on Disney Star Wars.
>>215378175>Daisy>A-She'd be lucky to be B tier.
>>215377105I would rekt Park Rey.Pure Rey looks like my cousin.....I would.
>>215375218George disowned the Holiday Special but he did write the stories for the 2 Ewok movies
>>215378052I'd argue it's TLJ. Enough people clearly still showed up for that one that a theoretical good movie would have gained good word of mouth, but after that it's like everyone gave up
>>215372099those profit numbers are bullshit as well
>>215378175Hate whoever you want, but posting fake quotes about things that never happened is insane.
>>215371891I don't like star wars. I rewatched Empire strikes back recently and it was just okay. Indiana Jones is 10x better movie of that style and era
>>215372158someone post the merch on the shredder belt>>215372188
>>215378404Plinkett just made a video saying that the sequel trilogy was worse than the prequels
>>215378241I agree with you, I just don't really want to blame the actors when everything else was just such a shit show.
>>215371891Rian Johnson killed Star Wars.
>>215378491the actors were also shit
>>215375462are you retarded
this is insane. The last Jedi might be the biggest blunder in movie history
>>215378393>characters like Finn and Poe end up having no character arcwhat was there was still too much, would have been better to put even more focus on Rey and Kylo
>>215378504they're fine and the RSC couldn't have salvaged that script or that direction
>>215373486>ahsoka>great jedi masterThe only thing her show couldn't stop talking about besides muh Thrawn was how terrible Ahsoka was at being a master.
>>215378071
>>215373486WHATSWRONGWITHYOURFAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE
>>215373486>ahsoka
>Driver and Steven Sodenberg pitched a Ben Solo solo movie that would've brought him back but Iger passed on it
>>215378776At least he isn't talking about wolves
Why are you still bitter about a sci-fi show? You will never BE a Hans Skywalker so you have no reason to stay upset. Give the new movies a chance!
>>215378890For now.
>Why are you still bitter about a sci-fi show? You will never BE a Hans Skywalker so you have no reason to stay upset. Give the new movies a chance!
>>215378698WTF is that thing? Is she from the sigh republic?
Solo did better than Rise
>>215379054After putting my glasses on I feel like a retard
>>215371910Hum
>>215372340It was the killer franchise movie
>>215379054Solo is the best movie Disney put out. Not sure why they tried so hard to self-sabotage it. It's at least an okayish movie, as opposed to an absolute shit one.
>>215378524Rey would need more of a personality for me to want to see more of her
>>215371910fpbp
>>215374015It is kino. If the EU was just Stover, Zahn, Luceno, ending with the NJO; it would be perfect.
>>215372340A lot of people liked TFA and R1 and hoped for more of that.
>>215378052>Force Awakens that killed star warsNo, they gave him an okay set up for TLJ and he had Luke symbolically chuck it over his shoulder off a cliff.
>>215379358I never saw Solo. There wasn't a single reason to assume a star wars movie was worthwhile by that point. Not to mention, the story behind them finding a guy to play Solo kind of bothered me.
>>215377653Boyega and Rian trolled this entire run. TLJ is the most troll movie ever made and it thankfully ended Abrams career.Boyega running around telling people his character fucked Rey was comedy gold and got those manchildren seething.TLJ is a piece of shit, but the truth was that Star Wars needed to die and even Lucas didn't give a fuck about it for years. TFA is barely better and TROS is the worst of the three. Abrams never had a plan so I don't blame Rian for being a petty fag and killing his gay ass mystery boxes.
>>215379610>t. boyega
I wonder what the value is on merch and shit. Most Nu Wars merch apparently flops but Star Wars movies also act as a commercial for legacy Star Wars merch. For example, LEGO still sells a ton of Star Wars stuff. I'd love to actually see a holistic look at Star Wars' profitability and what a movie flop actually does for the graph line going up or down.
>>215371921Star Wars 1977 is still a banger though
>>215379553What fucking set up? They literally remade New Hope but made it worse. Rian Johnson did nothing wrong. It's like seeing a wounded dying man being paraded around in a circus. Best thing is to shoot it and end the farce
>>215371910He saved millions of future young men.
>>215379696I would agree if I actually thought that's what it was
>>215379557It's not really, it's just better than the other ones.If you want to watch a very B tier sci-fi movie it's fine. Kind of reminded me of Serenity, which I don't like all that much.
>>215371910I apologize Rian. I didn't know your game.
>>215379610Star Wars only started "needing to die" after Disney got it. It was literally fine before. We were even on the brink of some new games coming out, that looked kind of cool.
>>215373238>only good lineThe only good line was ret-conning midichlorians by having Luke not mention them when he explained 'how the force works.' >>215379696What do you mean what setup? The first one ended with Rey handing Luke the lightsaber. He could have reacted a dozen different ways in the opening of TLJ. He could have done anything with the Luke character he wanted at that point. Rey also had no back story and there were a lot of possibilities there. He threw that away by having Kylo Ren tell her she was nobody and he parents were just poor farmers when the TFA set up a mystery there and we expected some reveal, which JJ gaves us and just ignored Rian trying to throw it away. He knew nothing about Snoke going into TLJ. Rian killed him and threw him away to without telling us anything more about him. What about The Knights of Ren? Let's just ignore whatever that set up was in TFA too, okay.
>>215371891I still can't believe I got up off my lazy arse to go watch TFAWhat a fucking waste of time and money
>>215377344Spielberg taught him the Way of the Jew.
>>215379852To George's credit, going his whole career doing shit on his own terms is pretty impressive, and ending it with getting a giant check from Disney when nobody gives a shit anymore is as happy an ending as one can get for something like that.
>>215372158bruh no one is buying the toys
take me back
they could have printed money
>>215379806>He threw away the Luke set up by having Luke just say fuck off>He threw away the Rey mystery background by having Kylo tell her her parents were nobody special>It was pretty clear JJ had set it up for the reveal to be she was the x of y, probably not meant to be Sheev's granddaughter but he wasn't left with many options>He threw away Snoke by just randomly killing him>He made Kylo a sympathetic character
>>215371910I remember my creative writing professor seething for the whole semester at Rian after the last Jedi released
>>215373474Disney paid $4 billion for it in 2012.
>>215378052The Force Awakens didn't do anything explicitly bad, it played everything extremely safe and was as basic as you can get outside of hinting at a few interesting ideas which never actually delivered on anything. That's why TLJ still made a decent profit despite being actual dogshit. Force Awakens wasn't good but everyone gave it a pass because everyone assumed it was just setting up things for later parts of the trilogy. It's main faults were being generic and boring, it didn't have thirty minute long casino subplots or empowered tumblr feminists suicide bombing enemy fleets at hyperspeed
>>215380214TFA main faults is in undoing the original character's achievements and then character assassinating the main cast. Luke being a hermit instead of fighting the enemy. Solo raising an evil son. etc. TFA absolutely started the trilogy off on an unrecoverable state and was just as much a spit in the eye on the fandom as the aggressively bad stuff Rian did.
THE FORCE IS FEMALE
Every time Finn gets scared and tries to run he should've shat himself. All the other characters start calling him 'Stinky Finn.' When Rose catches him trying to steal an escape pod the smell is so bad her eyes start watering. She forgets to set her blaster to 'stun' and shoots Stinky Finn dead, at which point Stinky Finn's corpse empties its bowels and Rose chokes to death on Stinky Finn's poop gas.We skip the casino planet and cut to Rey who has turned to the dark side and joined with Kylo to become Reylo. After killing Snoke they slaughter Poe, Leia, Admiral Gender Studies and all the remaining rebels. The Sith seize control of the galaxy and live happily ever after.
it made more money when it was called goonies
>>215371891REEEYYYYYYYYY
>>215380572
>>215380644
>>215380662>50cFuck that
>>215371992Thats exactly why they tried to make with the Rise of Skywalker, right up until bringing back the main dead villain of the past Franchise and the idea of becoming a "skywalker".They have no idea what they did wrong, that's why their correction was so stupid.Also it makes perfect sense why they throwed 90% of what RJ did into the trash
Doomcock says Kathleen Kennedy will be fired any minute now
SAY IT
>>215379696>Rian Johnson did nothing wrong.oh so you're a retard
>>215379710It was. When i first watched it few years after it came back the last jedi felt like deliberately made to call out JJ Abrams and Disney stupid bullshit. They probably had some generic cool (retarded but soiboys would love it) shit planned but Rian came and threw it all under a bus. Sure the movie was retarded but I kinda treat it like throwing a glove. "You wanted to play it safe let's see how you salvage this", kinda like a challenge that would maybe force Disney to rethink it's retarded gay strategy but of course they went with the jj hackbrams to film the dumbest shit possible. At least that's my mythology on what went behind the scenes. Jj abrams is talentless hack feeding on nostalgia and bullshit while rian johnson actually made okay movies (not great but okay) so i will always lool at TLJ in metaphorical way as a message to fans, studio and the actors to let the past die or at least do something original. But I'm probslby giving those hollywood retards too much credit and TLJ was just a shitty movie like the force awakens. Seems likely. The thing is I can't hate TLJ because when i walked out of premiere TFA screening (i was retard to go) i felt nothing. I completely lost all interest in the franchise even tho i was a 2001 born zoomer who loved prequels original trilogy and the lego games. After that i only went to cinema to watch rogue one which i loved i think it's in same tier as 6 lucas films but TLJ i saw like 5 years after it came out or smth like that and mostly i skipped over. I saw episodes of mandarin and thought it was extremely cringe how they associated boba fett being always in his helmet AND MADE IT ENTIRE THING ABOUT MANDARONANIS CULTURE. It seemed like such a bullshit. It's like if i was to create stormtrooper tv show and make them warrior culture that never takes off their helmets because they are cool warriors. That's my problem with star wars content they take one detail from the original movies and make entire deal out of this
>>215382185Sorry for long post I'm drunk and incoherent
Rian's handling of TLJ comes off as intentionally malicious, like he wanted to fuck it up just to spite Disney
>>215371891>4 billion dollarydoos for this
only <1bln USD profitshow will Disney survive
>>215382205That's what I was thinking. Like throwing a glove to show how creatively bankrupt those retards are. But now I think about it, can we really blame JJ? Sure he is talentless retard but he himself said he refused to direct star wars numerous times. And to write a script they had only 6 months. That's not how you make star wars. No wonder they hired nostalgia vulture hack. If i had to guess it's all a Hebrew conspiracy but I'm drunk and when I'm drunk i get anti-Semitic. I don't have those issues with other races after alcohol
>>215371910The Last Jedi absolutely killed interest in Star Wars. Rian and Kathleen should be commended for that.
>>215379054>>215379358Solo lost $103M.Rise made $43M
>>215372158I only know from the Lego toys, their new shit is laying around like bricks, only some special shit like the Black Falcon with a White Vader and Darth Jar-Jar sells, none of the actual in-movie sets really sells. The old stuff, that shit still moves over the counter.
>>215380572Every time Rose isn't onscreen all the other characters should be asking 'Wheres Rose?'
>>215379358I was thinking this today. It's at least not over complicated, it's not boring, it's an ok movie. Star Wars has never been that good bro, I think people that like it just haven't understood it and they expect more than what it is. Probably because they live in arrested development like the grown men that still play pokemon or whatever since they were kids.
>>215380214Zero people gave TLJ benefit of the doubt. It was full on seething as people intuited the message even if they were too dumb to understand it. It was TFA being bland as shit and ep 9 being dogshit that killed the series, TLJ was just the messenger.
>>215371910fpbp, I would glady shake his hand if I ever see him but Knives Out 2 was shit thought even though I liked the first one.
>>215381941George...I know people used to shit on you a lot, they were mad about... something whatever, I dunno.Then Disney came along and bought that off you. And turned into... well, you know.And people finally understood what you had done for them. Like a parent passing away, they looked back and let all of the parts that were conflict and bad memories and folly turn to gold.But you know what George, frankly I think they're still not thinknig clearly. I think they got it backwards. I think it was unfair to be so mean to you back then. But now...You sold your soul's work to Jews, George, knowing exactly what they would do.You turned your back on that soul. You turned around. You dropped it.Fuck you George Lucas. Fuck you.
>>215373920You're a special kind of retard aren't you? Just because people talk about a franchise online doesn't mean it's relevant.
>>215372340There was a massive falloff after first week at the box office for TLJ
>>215380030Every they do goy
>>215372027>no stupid Jedi shit>no feminism>tried to be a fun space adventure >white main cast and love interest Hm, I wonder why it did so well despite being well within the rot period?
>>215380030You realize that everyone at the LucasFilm division are women right? They have no clue on how to make money.
>>215372340>86% drop off between TLJ and ROS
>>215382803Rose needs to be louder, angrier and have access to a time machine.
>>215383056CAT LADIES, ASSEMBLE
>>215377437Finn supposed to be his own character like Luke with no love interest, he was supposed to be the jedi then disney decided they wanted china's box office money which they failed miserably on.
>>215372351Post the army of unsold finn dolls
>>215383124Just youtube search worldclass bullshitters he goes around every Ollies across US and finds stacks of Rey's and Finn figures from decade ago to this day lmfao
>>215373477I know I saw it some time ago, probably last Christmas or so, when it was on tv, but I have no fucking recollection of what was happening in it. It's just so forgettable.
>>215371891Wow they still haven't made back their initial investment. Star Wars is really the ultimate manifestation of Hollywood's incompetence. Take a franchise that prints money and was almost religiously beloved and destroy it completely die to sheer incompetence.
>>215374573If nothing else that warms my respect. At least he said something.
>>215374671> Girl crying> Girl screaming> Girl being bitchy> Mix, match, and repeat for 120 minutes Every Hollywood movie for the last five years
>>215374922What a fag
>>215380030Did you just ENSLAVE the strongest and best Jedi who will save the franchise!!!!? What the hell is wrong with you men?
>>215371891So they literally haven't even made the money they bought the IP for back yet?
>>215383026You stupid fucking ape, you absolute blind retard.
>>215373907Remember when they said Rian was getting his own trilogy?Remember when they said the Game of Thrones guys were getting their own trilogy?Remember when we were getting an Old Republic trilogy about the "first force user"?Remember when Rey was getting ger own trilogy?Remember when Darth Maul was getting a movie?
>>215376275No, it wouldn't. Lynch was a hack.
>>215376383This is why they keep White Men out of the directors chair and don't give them creative freedom. George slipped through their defenses and made the most successful indie film of all time then proved it was something they couldn't do if they tried.Imagine if there were a thousand people like him making hundreds of movies a year instead of a bunch of dysgenic Satan worshipping jews
>>215376725It would've still sucked but it would have been leagues better than what we got
>>215377071That's because JJ is more to blame because he got them off to a bad start and couldn't finish it so it's easier to assign the blame to him. He really doesn't have a leg to stand on because he should've outlined a whole trilogy instead of doing his mystery box B.S. and thinking: "who cares? Someone else will figure it out." He proved that he had no idea what he was doing when he got to come back and didn't have an answer for any of the questions he set up and couldn't even blame Rian because he didn't give him anything to go on in the first place. Besides that Rian failed mostly because toeing the line failed. He did everything they would've wanted him to do (except make money) he subverted the male role models, killed them off, uplifted the women, inserted minorities, discouraged heritage, history, and direct action, and promoted liberal gaslight/gatekeep/girl boss nonsense. To admit anything he did was wrong would be to admit they are wrong so it must be that the audience is too problematic to appreciate the truth
>>215379669>LEGO still sells a ton of Star Wars stuffSo there's an affluent and paying demographic, which Disney could be main-lining right now, if they simply catered the NuWars content to their special interests?But instead they're making forgettable movies with unlikable characters, pushing identity politics before coherent storytelling, all to appeal to demographics who can't afford or aren't interested in merchandise like >>215380662 and >>215380684?No wonder they're being review bombed and publicly trashed. It's almost like they've an ulterior motive.
>>215371891>purchase star wars for 4bn>lose 2.8bn