Mass surveillance is justifiable if you really really need to catch a terrorist.
>>215388208So did Batman just get a bunch of technicians to set that up over the weekend?
It is though. Only pedos and criminals disagree
>>215388243Magic nigger did it himself over the weekend
>>215388208uhm Lucius said he wont work on this. Its too much power and simply wrong. Didnt you see it get destroyed in the end? I am glad we live in a moral world where righteous government contractors don't create this stuff.
Well, to be fair, most of you need to be surveilled.That is a word.
>>215388208Do you remember how appalled Lucius Fox was? He resigned. But then Bruce surprises him by having the self destruct password be Lucius Fox's name.
>>215388208Why'd he set it up like a chinese phone farm
right now the justice league has an AI that constantly monitors the entire planet
>>215388367I remember the whole cinema clapped during that scene
>>215388208That was basically the Patriot Act. It's happening right now.
>>215388243>>215388208i mean the subtext is that most of this shit already existed in some way shape or form due to a government contract, that was the explanation for the batmobile and grapple gun and special kevlar taser armor with gadgets all over itWayne Enterprises is basically the in-universe Google + Lockheed Martin + BlackRockthe nolanverse handwave was "the CIA and DARPA had us make one but didn't end up wanting it"Lucius' main problem with it was that only two people had access to it, not that its existence was inherently immoral
>>215388208Of course the black man is the voice of reason. Nolan put deebo in this movie and portrayed him as non violent and reasonable compared to the evil white man on the other boat. Hmm
>>215388208What, is this film about Batman being pushed to and beyond his limits, even to to the extent that he and his allies are appalled by how bad things get and he’s physically and mentally broken for years by the results, or something?
>>215388581You guys complain about the most trivial shit I swear. If the dangerous criminal on the boat had been white you guys would complain he wasn't black, but now that he's black you guys are still complaining?
I love learning morality from comic book movies.
>>215388581Lucius Fox has always been black, and at that point in time he's exactly the guy Bats would have gone to to help him set up a mass surveillance system. He might otherwise ask Barbara Gordon or Cyborg (also black), but they do not feature in the Nolan films.
>>215388436Americans lol
>>215388243Family Guy even joked about that a hundred million years agohttps://youtu.be/c4x-imPqIks
>>215388660Yes
>>215388581You do know the white guy didn't press it either, right?
the american people were told the patriot act was necessary to catch osama. it wasn't used for that. that it would be temporary measures for extreme times. they became permanent. the point of the sequence is capped off by the end monologue. everything about the two movies (and there were only two) is to reflect upon and deliver the catharsis we never got after 9/11, without people realizing what they were getting.>>215388549>Lucius' main problem with it was that only two people had access to ithe was opposed to the machine existing at all, and his trust in wayne was rewarded when it was destroyed.
>>215389228there were three movies
>>215389848nope. only two were about 9/11. the third was trying (and pathetically failing) to demonize occupy.this is also why man of steel was so clumsy, as it went back to 9/11 again, only in the most incompetent manner possible.
>>215389889Actually they were about Batman and his rogues gallery
>>215389979just because you ignore (or outright can't perceive) subtext and overtones, doesn't mean they aren't there.
>>215388208It's the same kind of moral dilemma in sicario and a billion other movies. What's the problem
>>215390010there is plenty of subtext in the films without having to make it an allegory for the news cycle
>>215390010you're viewing things through your hyper-political lens, anon. you're seeing what you want to.
>>215390060oh, you're brown. got it.>>215390097right, the most powerful man in the world running around punching random brown people until the not-cia directs him to a terrorist training camp to learn terrorism so he can go back to not-new-york and punch people there until a climax where a man who wants to induce terror in everyone causes a huge amount of terror dust to be aerosolized has nothing to do with 9/11.
>>215390188so you don't read comic books, got it
>>215388208>Mass surveillance is justifiable if you really really need to carch a state sponsored CIA/MOSSAD trained terrorist (George W.Bush: America...now watch this drive)
>>2153903351. lol at the idea of that being an "own."2. even comics will use subtext to comment upon more than just men in costumes punching each other
>>215390335>he reads comic booksI feel sorry for your father. No man should be shamed by having a "son" like you.
>>215390387Yeah. I've read every mainline Batman comic since Knightfall, and all of the good ones are about the characters and their development (just like every good story). But the Nolan draw extensively from the comics in a way that no other Batman films have. There are a lot of problems with the movies, but reimagining the characters and setting in a meaningful way is more interesting to me than allegories to 911 or OWS, neither of which I care about it.>>215390411tits or gtfo
>>215388208The problem has always been with the government not being trustworthy with such power. Batman, the fictional character, is not gonna abuse this power.
>>215390489>neither of which I care about it.>>215389228>without people realizing what they were getting.
>>215388660The black man being the voice of reason is absolutely a trope and part of the anti-white agenda. Sorry you don't like us noticing things.
>>215390583its morgan freeman, not "a black man."
>>215390489Struck a nerve I see. Your father will die feeling like he failed as a father. And he did.
>>215390589Yeah so true. And grass is purple.
>>215390589He a jigaboo. A tar baby. A coon. A pickaninny. A moon cricket. A jungle bunny. A night fighter. A nigger.
>>215390607where is your god now
>>215388243Someone in imdb threads used to say that it would not take that many years to set this up because people buy a new phone on average every 2 years so if every new phone has x then.Also mass surveillance was still a conspiracy theory when this movie came out. It was still 5 more years from 2008 to 2013 when there were the leaks.
Remember Alfred's line about Burma at the beginning of the movie? Nolan screams "GLOWIE" everywhere.
>>215390627you're brown
What happened Jabolstropov?
>>215390640t. glownigger
>>215389889What 9/11 themes are there in Begins?
Idk why people ignore the Roman empire allegory that the film brings up. Batman is like Cincinnatus who gains absolute authority as a dictator during an emergency only to give it up as the emergency passsed. A philosopher king of sort. It's not in support of mass surveilence, Gotham is just lucky that Batman is like the noble Cincinnatus instead of Julius Caesar.
>>215390634the patriot act wasn't a conspiracy theory and it effectively legalized a surveillance state.
>>215390335holy goal post move, batman
>>215390489>but reimagining the characters and setting in a meaningful way is more interesting to me than allegories to 911 or OWS, neither of which I care about it.They were both of these things tbeeh.
>/co/mblr troons post heregrim
>>215390693because taking things out of context is the easiest way to spin a false narrative about what they mean
>>215390700It was legalized at least in some forms but people were hell bent until 2013 (I think Snowden leaks) on claiming there's no mass surveillance on normal people. Shit like whether yours messages or emails are actually private or not.
>>215390598he did die as a failure of a father because he was an utter piece of shit. I am much better than him. you act like a woman though.>>215390734fair enough but I do not care about them.
>>215388208No.Torture isn't wither.Jews are the twrrorists. Using media to convince people a few in a billion makes the rest the same and those few are prevalent, powerful and threat to all instead of what killed the "terrorists family, country wrc
>>215388208How much money does the goverment spend on mass surveillance??
>>215388208Does that include "cyberterrorism"?
>>215389228Don't worry, palantir and project pegasus will help.stop criminals. The government wouldn't lie to you especially with trump in office.
>>215391689>palantir and project pegasusWhy do you cry about things you can't stop?
>>215388323W. Bush had the Patriot Act created to fight terrorists. Obama administration took the tools in the Patriot Act and turned it against the American people and America's allies. Don't know, maybe I am mistaken.
>Mr. Wayne if this sytstem is for spying on criminals why do the screens disporportionally focus on black neighborhoods?
>>215391767>Don't know, maybe I am mistaken.you are, you dumb chud retard
>>215390628Gottem.
>>215389093Yeah but he took a while to come around. It was almost like he was peer pressured. And before he put it down he acted like a huge twat. Whereas deebo stood firm and tossed it out like black jesus.
>>215391767That program predated Obama but yeah he continued it. Also reminder that it is still very much a thing.
>>215391726Because you can stop.them and you can hold them accountable.
>>215390700>>215388208all wars are bad for civil liberties do you think it was any different with what Wilson did in WW1?
>>215391965No, you can't.
>>215391979>yes thing bad but what about thing 100 years ago
>>215391995That was just his point. Wars tend to be bad for civil liberties going back to the Alien and Sedition Acts. He sounds like a first year civics student who just found that out.
>>215391979the Espionage Act and the FBI existing were direct results of WW1
>>215392016>yes thing bad but you should already know that
>>215391995>>215392046>>215392016>>215391979Why are you samefag arguing with yourself?
>>215391994To dream the impossible dream!
>>215388243No, that's what Alfred is for.
>>215392065and now we have the total non-sequitur once cornered.
>>215390903>but people were hell bent until 2013 (I think Snowden leaks) on claiming there's no mass surveillance on normal people. Shit like whether yours messages or emails are actually private or not.Problem is they tend to grossly overestimate how competent glowniggers actually are, and especially because since Obama most of them are DEI hire brown women.
>>215392133Nice proxy
>>215392065At minimum >>215392046 and >>215391995 are likely samefag.
>>215391937>Also reminder that it is still very much a thingwhat is a thing?
>>215392175No shit I posted both of those replies, dumbass.
>>215392149mass surveillance is in fact a logistical impossibility unless you think Marvel movies are real life
and now the glowie is talking to himself and pretending to be other people, once he realized he can't win the argument.
>>215392270>posted from my mass surveillance device
>>215390335I read comic books and agree with the other anon.
>>215392270It's kind of like the type who think 12 Jewish bankers in a bunker in Switzerland run the entire world.
>>215388208Mass surveillance is bad because it can be misused.In the hands of someone who can actually be trusted not to misuse it, it's a good thing. But in the real world this is impossible.
>>215392339its impossible in a democracy, you mean.
Eagle eye was about this as well.
>>215392149>and especially because since Obama most of them are DEI hire brown women.^LOLthis.
>>215392270AI will solve that
>>215390700The Patriot Act was mostly just a bunch of pork barrel handouts like most legislation, didn't really do anything nor would it prevent 9/11 from happening again if anyone wanted to try it.
>>215391726If everyone stood up and told the government and big tech to fuck off, they absolutely would not be able to get away with it. They need your consent.
>>215390335thanks for letting us know you're a fag
>>215388208Mass surveillance isn't even that useful1. Information overload is a thing.2. The VAST MAJORITY of information gathered by state surveillance is completely worthless.3. Sifting through this information to identify actual threats is a fucking nightmare and has reached the point where the overwhelming majority of it has to be done by automation (i.e. AI scanning through emails and recorded phone calls looking for phrases and words that are considered threatening), meaning that the simple use of code phrases can completely undermine it.4. Terrorist attacks on American interests continue to be a regular occurrence because only a fraction of terrorists' emails ever actually gets identified even though all of it is being gatheredIt's basically only useful as a deterrent because everyone THINKS that they're being watched, when in fact they really aren't.
Funny how the Iraq War is over, yet the Patriot Act isn't.Who could have seen that coming?
The entire movie is Bush apologia and, more broadly, apologia for the concept of benevolent dictatorshipTDK Batman is Caesar who gives up power once the crisis is overAnd by TDKR he becomes an outright messianic figure by pseudo-sacrificing himself (as the Batman identity anyway) to redeem Gotham and save it from not-communism
>>215392339If will be good once (if) AI takes over. It's bad in the hands of a human.
>>215390411>caring what another man thinks of youmay as well be a woman
Palantir and thought crime are next. It's going to be 1984 and brave new world next.
>>215392464It's always in the hands of humans. AI will make it worse because it will be better at analyzing the overload of information.
>>215392437There have been mass shooters who openly announced on social media that they were going to do it and nobody did anything about it.
>>215392463>TDK Batman is Caesar who gives up power once the crisis is overCaesar never gave up his power and his step-son went on to completely dismantle what little was left of Roman democracy so Cincinnatus would be a better comparison.
>>215392489Easier said than done.
>>215391602Nobody knows. The pentagon can't be audited. It's definitely in the double digit billions annually though.
>>2153923969/11 could have been prevented entirely except that airport security were afraid of getting sued for racial profiling if they didn't refuse to let a bunch of suspicious Middle Eastern men on the planes.
>>215392495>It's always in the hands of humansIn an utopic world, it won't be. AI is smart enough not to waste resources on destroying humanity. It would optimize it to prosper. The issue is that humanity is at odds with itself and will do its best to self-destruct before such a thing would likely be achieved. An AI world government would necessitate a level of cooperation between all the nations that isn't realistic anyway.
>>215391910Yeah because it's realistic.Most people wouldn't hesitate to sacrifice a bunch of criminals. On the other hand, a reasonable percentage of criminals are prompted to go though a redemption arc while in prison out of the psychological shame of landing there to begin with.So it's a subversion of expectations but not one that isn't based on likely scenarios.
>>215392492Read Asimov's critique of 1984 and how surveillance states aren't really all that effective at stomping out dissension.https://www.newworker.org/ncptrory/1984.htm
>>215392728The USSR had a highly effective totalitarian state, far more than any Western cunt could ever pull off, but still could never suppress dissidents. As long as you have one group of disaffected elites somewhere in a country there is always dissent.
>>215392626The book universe of the polity by neal Asher has Ai in charge but with humanities best interest for the most part. Except for rogue ais like Penny royal. The culture series also has his that respect humans and consider peering into the mind of a human to be taboo. One Ai who is notorious for this is shunned and referred to as meat fucker.
>>215388581>>215389093>>215391910I always assumed that the detonators were rigged to destroy their own boats as the ultimate joke>prisoners overpower guards and press the detonator to blow up the civilians' boat>prison boat blows up instead and everyone thinks the civilians blew them up>civilians press detonator to blow up the prisoners' boat>civilian boat blows up instead and everyone thinks the prisoners did it
>>215392626So kinda like what AI did in I, Robot? To """keep everyone safe""" it concluded that imprisoning everyone was the best solution.
>>215392396we were already at >yes its bad but what aboutyou don't get to go back to>yes it happened but it wasn't that bad
>>215392807This would reward the people who acted decently which is against the Joker's entire goal of turning people into monsters
>>215392878>>215392396>samefag schizo still arguing with himself
>>215392502>the surveillance state lets things happen therefore it isn't real
>>215392888If both boats blow up anyway, what different does it make?
>>215392932He's gonna keep doing it for hours. Hopefully his caregivers unplug his computer and give him his psych meds.
>>215392787only works in North Korea a small country where the only elite class there is has no reason to oppose the existing system
>>215392985joker's press release:>the prisoner's detonator wasn't wired to anything, only the civilian's detonator was, and it was wired to both boatsor even better>i was lying when i told them the detonators were for the other boat
>>215388268>worked on thing he had no idea existed until this sceneretard
>>215392988>>215392932this game is too old to still think people fall for it bro
strange, /pol/ told me the Jews or something flew those planes into the WTC
>>215390691remember the whole speeding train towards wayne tower at the end
In real life the people on the boats would have pressed the button in a second
>>215392437>even though all of it is being gatheredI'd be willing to bet none of them actually are.
>>215392787The Soviets were still fighting the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (and even ex-soldiers of the Wehrmacht who abandoned the long lost Nazi cause to fight for Ukrainian independence) well into the 1950s and it only fizzled out after Stalin died and the economic situation in the Ukrainian SSR had stabilized enough that the general populace could be pacified by bread and circuses rather than force. Resistance in the Soviet satellite states lasted even longer and periodically restarted after thought to have been suppressed (Hungarian Revolution, Prague Spring, East German Uprising, etc.).Popular resistance to Soviet rule not-so-coincidentally reemerged as the Union began its irreversible economic decline in the 1980s.
>>215393018>both detonators are wired to both boats
>>215392445she's trying at leasthttps://luna.house.gov/posts/breaking-rep-luna-introduces-legislation-to-fully-repeal-the-usa-patriot-act
>>215393101I agree it should because it was an outdated emergency measure from the WoT era.
>>215393136>>215393101the TSA recently stopped making people take their shoes off at airports so progress is being made on removing some of this retarded stuff from 9/11
>>215393156shit, guess we need another arab to fail to set his shoe on fire
well anyway thank you Trump for releasing the JFK files and confirming what non-mentally disabled people knew all along, which is that it was a leftist edgelord with a $30 mail order rifle and nothing more
>>215391726Only the people running the world in the ground are stupid enough to think they can't be stopped.
>>215388660If it was actually trivial you wouldn’t care
>>215390188Too high iq for this board anon
>>215390589His roles are literally just “wise black guy who’s wise because he’s black’
>>215391910This
