>is part of the Sith Empire>doesn’t believe Sith are real
>>215409373And darth Vader is constantly there right
>>215409373I liked it, made the world seem biggervader strolls in looking like an emo storm trooper with a cape, these people look down on him, they don't believe in space magic, why would theyoops, force chokeof course as the world is ultimately built we know it's very unlikely that they didn't know exactly who vader was and what he was capable of, but in a stand alone star wars film it was coolin fact, the more they fleshed out the world, the worse it becamecurious
>>215409373>>doesn’t believe Sith are realwhen did he say that?
There's probably a few atheists at Chik-Fil-A faking it so they have a job and access to cute girls who do anal because Jesus only cares if it's "carnal knowledge."
>>215409373The sith hadn't been invented yet irl
>>215409373Watch Andor, it's better than the prequels.
>>215409373This is not Knights of the OId Republic where they have an explicitly named Sith Empire, a Sith Academy, and a military that reports directly to one of a large number of dark lords. This is the Galactic Empire where the Emperor pretends he's just a disabled politician, and the only person who is out-of-the-closet with his Force use is Vader. And in the original trilogy Vader does not use the word Sith, nor does any other character.
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>>215409373real sithism has never been tried
>>215410393>And in the original trilogy Vader does not use the word Sith, nor does any other character.That's because George Lucas cut it out.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWeoL0lMWIg
>>215409373Most of the Nazi Germany Generals didnt actually believe in the schizo aryan master race bullshit that Hitler spouted.
>>215409373Palpatine doesn't really instill any of his doctrine onto the systems he rules. He seemingly just desires power and being Sith is a means to an end.
>>215409600Yeah, even TESB, good as it is, contributes to the problem you're talking about. We see Vader in command of his own fancy Star Destroyer with a large crew on board and an impressive complement of starships attached; we also see many in the officer class serving under Vader, fearing him, sometimes being summarily executed by him – execution by force choking, which Vader can do even if he's not in the room with the man.
>>215410529whats his tax policy
>>215410235in the full footage this guy describes Vader as a 'Sith Lord', though?
O.G. Emperor (pre-Palpatine, pre-Sheev) was just some guy. a puppet. the Empire itself was like a character in the film :^)
>>215410545give him all your stuff or he’ll blow your planet uppretty simple
>>215410545the regional governors have direct control over their systems. so they can decide. more of a federation than an empire, but George Lucas does not know what words mean (Padme was elected queen).
>>215410632In the old EU stories I read, the regional governor were usually Imperial puppets and propped up by a garrison of stormtroopers. You're making Sheev sound more libertarian than he really was.
>>215410545Give me everything or the planet gets it.
>>215410605sheev confirmed as secret hoarder
>>215409691>we are all Africans
>>215410632The Holy Roman Empire both elected its highest ruler and had regional autonomy
>>215409600>curiousYeah, nothing new: As worlds are bound by description the illusion of normalcy within them becomes less imaginable.
>>215410833That's more how the New Republic worked in the EU.There was a Chancellor but different sectors could govern independently, its just they had to contribute to the New Republic's military.
>>215410246no it's not, kys
>>215409373It would make sense if the Jedi were an esoteric, decentralized group of futuristic ronin who helped the republic instead of literal space cops.
>>215410701i prefer it the more devolved power (but the Imperials are still assholes) way around tbqh.yeah they can probably be replaced if they fall out of line. but they ARE running the show, and they're the dickheads of the Galaxy. Tarkin doesn't seem like some guy just following orders, he's making his own (evil) decisions.
I remember I once just posted that picture of him with no text and the thread got 500 replies. Why is he such a popular character?
>>215409373Same issue with Han Solo not believing in the Force and the Jedi. Like, literally how?
>>215409600>>215410538jesus you people are unironically media illiterate. at no point does he or any other imperial officer deny vader has magic powers, they just dont comprehend the true power of the force, same with luke in empire before he sees yoda lift the ship out of the water. he literally calls vader a sorcerer
>>215411226My impression of the Jedi was exactly that until the prequels rolled in.
>>215410552It was random sci-fi babble at the time, like most shit he was too lazy to properly world build
>>215412294read the original drafts/scripts, please!
>>215409373Sith are an obscure part of Jedi lore which itself isn't really that known
>>215410779We wuz pangeans an shiet
>>215412040ironic
>>215409373To everyone in the empire besides Vader and Sheev, Vader is the only Sith Lord and only remnant of the Jedi faith. Nobody knows the Emperor himself is actually the true Sith Lord.
>>215409373When watching OT I get a strong impression that Georg Lucas had not yet planned the prequels at the time.
>>215409373Looks like him
>>215412178It's what we all thought. As a kid I assumed that the way Obi-Wan conducted himself on Tatooine was standard for a jedi. That he was like Gandalf, mysterious and often solitary, showing up where needed though not held to a strict plan, part of a larger order of his kind but not reporting into Jedi HQ at the end of a day's shift of Jedi-ing.
>>215412040>unironically media illiterateNTAs. Kys.
>>215409373>jedi were running all over the galaxy 20 years ago
>>215412040>they just dont comprehend the true power of the forceWhy is Vader convinced that the Force is more powerful than the Death Star in this scene? He grew up believing he was the Chosen One of ye olde prophecy, but now that he's a scorched cyborg, he surely thinks the prophecy was bullshit. The Emperor revealed he did not in fact know how to use the force to prevent death, so that's another Force-related promise that came to bitter disappointment. The higher metaphysical powers of the Force have never been demonstrated to Vader, and so as far as he knows, the Force really is just a bunch of low-level magic tricks, some of them useful in combat, but none as useful in combat as a fucking Death Star.
>>215409373>is part of the united states of america>doesnt know about the ultra secret elite saturn death cult that rapes children and participates in human sacrifice rituals
>>215412743He also looks like Barclay, although to a lesser extent. He could be a cousin of theirs, or a brother from another mother.
>>215413250The Death Star is literally destroyed by the force
It makes less sense if you look at both star wars continuities, there were at least a few inquisitors and dark adepts running around.
>>215413659That doesn't happen until after the Council of Tarkin, though.
>>215413886Vader is a supremely powerful space wizard. Of course he sees as magic as being superior than the technology non-force sensitive people use to mimic a fraction of the average Jedi/Sith’s power. That’s why Vader chokes out all of his worthless officers in ESB. They’re beneath him and the force.
>>215409373>sith empire
>>215413659Pretty sure it was a torpedo that did that
>>215413886>the Council of Tarkindo people call it this? sounds 2grandiose4me.
>>215412743>I want to make fun of Lord Vader’s religion without consequences I wanted to make an edit imposing Reese’s face on motti’s
>>215412743>Let me get this straight. You think that Lord Vader, the Emperor’s most feared enforcer and most unhinged vindictive man on this station, is secretly exaggerating his mystical combat arts and prowess… and your plan is to embarrass this person in a war room meeting?
>Vader is the Emperor's errand boy tasked with recovering the Death Star plans>fucks it up royally>starts talking about mystical shit compared to the galaxy's biggest death rayMy boy Motti had every right to talk shit to Vader, who likely outranked him in the Empire as Vader's title of "Lord" was some bullshit force nonsense outside of the military. Vader was a fuck up who couldn't even do his job properly.
>>215410538Makes sense to me. After the Death Star fuckup and Tarkin's death, the Emperor put Vader in charge.
>>215413250He's a literal space-jew that acts like an elephant in a porcelain shop because of some fucking prophecy and being "chosen"
>>215410545Biggs literally talks about the Empire nationalising industries in one of the deleted scenes.
>>215409373I noticed an oddity in the editing of this scene. It begins with an establishing shot of a Star Destroyer drifting along, which would typically mean that we're about to see events taking place aboard that Star Destroyer, but the roundtable scene which follows is on the Death Star. Tarkin is present, the officers keep saying "this battle station", and Motti jabs his finger on the table when he says "this station", leaving us in no doubt that he is talking about his current location, the Death Star. So why that establishing shot of a Star Destroyer? Obviously, the editors thought it best to save the image of the Death Star for a dramatic reveal later on, but it creates a weird disconnect and I think it could have been handled differently.>>215414761Makes sense if you think Vader should be rewarded for his fuckup with a promotion.
>>215414411No, I just called it that as a play on the Council of Elround.
People IRL see God’s miracles every day yet they deny God’s existence.
>>215409373>OP>lives in a world governed by satanic pedophiles>doesn't believe they are real
>>215409373The Sith Empire was ancient history from the Old Republic. Any knowledge of the Galactic Republic being led by the sith was purely on a need to know basis. Id bet over half that room didn't know they were sith, or possibly even what a sith was
>>215415870In Legends, Sidious was only known publicly as the author of various Sith philosophy and self help books. No one knew he was the emperor.
>>215415857What evidence do you have world leaders are pedophiles?
>>215409691>be me in high school band>cute brunette girl in band is really flirty with me and one day hands me a note stand specifically for me to use>the words "i like it in the butt" are scratched into it and she gives me a look and maintains eye contact>I'm an autistic sperg and laugh it off>find out years later while dating her uglier best friend (who did not put out) that the girl flirting with me did anal with all her boyfriends so she'd "be a virgin">I'm not really into butt stuff but she was hot as fuck
>>215415989>What evidence do you have world leaders are pedophiles?
>>215415896Joking aside, Sidious seemed to be uniquely uninterested in teaching. The old Sith Lords left holocrons of knowledge for worthy successors to find – did Sidious ever make one? Not that I'm aware. He also didn't seem teach any of his secrets to Vader, his official apprentice. No lessons in force lightning, an ability which even Dooku knew. The only thing Palps taught Vader was his rightful place as a fucking doormat, hence Vader's insecurity when Motti mocked him.
>>215415450Most of the people in that ANH boardroom meeting were important Imperial bigwigs. With that much of a vacuum, who else would fill some of that gap but the guy who walked away from the explosion?
>>215416059Can't do lightning when you're mostly robot since you'll just shortcircuit yourself.
>>215416039The Epstein List was released earlier in the year. Pam Bondi invited a bunch of "Influencers" to the White House and handed them binders with the Epstein Files.
>>215416129In the 2015 Vader comic, it turns out that Tagge (dark lord of the sideburns) was the one other survivor and Palpatine puts him in command for a while, above Vader, because Tagge was the one who advised caution against the Rebel threat. The amusing thing is that Tagge treats Vader like a chump just like Motti did.
>>215410393Well it was only like 3 decades prior that the clone wars happened which from my knowledge saw usage of the vast majority of combat capable jedi thus there would be lots of video recordings, journals and the like referencing their capabilities. And that general type mocking him should be completely read in on a force users capabilities
>>215409373They clearly know that the force exists, but they're completely convinced that the JEDI are gone. They're all old enough to remember the purge and the Jedi in general, but they just don't respect the Force at all. Vader is the only person around that uses it consistently, but in ANH Vader has an indeterminate position in the Empire as the Emperor's (and kind of Tarkin's) gopher and the other imperals just love shitting on him. >>215415450>>215414761It makes total sense that Vader would be given more power after ANH. The destruction of the Death Star was purely down to the hubris of the Imperial leaders like Tarkin who thought that it didn't even matter that the rebels had the plans and would sooner let the plans go to find the rebel base than to get the plans back at all. Vader doesn't receive orders to engage the rebels ship to ship, it's something he decides on his own. He ultimately can't stop them, but Tarkin likely wouldn't have sent out any fighters at all and the Death Star would have been even more fucked. Once Luke destroys the death star, it's known that a new, powerful force sensitive is out there, so Vader is really the only and best choice the Empire has at locking him down. Vader says the Death Star is nothing compared to the force, and then it's destroyed by someone using the force. Bravo George.
>>215416498The Death Star would have been fine if Vader's men, for whom he was responsible, had recovered the Death Star plans when they boarded the Tantive IV, an operation Vader personally oversaw. Or if they had at least remembered that droids exist when they saw the escape pod with "no lifeforms" leaving its bay at such an opportune moment it couldn't possibly have been a coincidence. Or failing that, if Vader's men had managed to track down two very slow-moving droids on the planet's surface. And if that's still too much to ask, how about making sure nothing left the spaceports until those plans were found?This is incompetence, brazen incompetence, and ultimately it is Vader's fault. This is why people were not particularly impressed with him when he swanned into the war room.
>>215416148The closest thing Vader could do is creating a force shield and shoot some bolts from it.
>>215410552Did you seriously just though him though?
>>215416807sorry. did not intend to come across that catty.sorry, >>215410235, i went too far in a few places.
>>215416148If that's the canon or EU explanation, I'm not happy with it. Lightning is also dangerous to human flesh, which it burns and electrocutes, so the Emperor shouldn't be able to shoot it without injuring his fingers, if we apply the same logic to him that has been applied to Vader.
>>215416734Vader came in as a "fixer" after the plans were already stolen. He quickly determines that Leia put the plans in a droid, finds their trail to the Jawas, and sets up a security perimeter in Mos Eisley. This would have been the end of the road if Luke was traveling with anyone else than Obi Wan, who can mind trick the stormtroopers. Obi Wan is a complete X factor that Vader couldn't reasonably have accounted for.
>entire universe goes from “being run by space wizards” to “not believing in space wizards” in under 30 years
>>215409691Sodomy is still carnal, tard.
>>215410479Remember this from the VHS copies I saw as a child.
>>215410503Hitler didn’t spout any of that.
>>215410632Plenty of monarchical systems involved some degree of election.
>>215417050Jedi shit is schizobabble.
>>215417050Propaganda is effective
>>215413250> The Emperor revealed he did not in fact know how to use the force to prevent death, so that's another Force-related promise that came to bitter disappointment.Palpatine did not claim to know the secret. He said a with before them had learned it and they would discover it together.
>215416320Terrible bait
>>215417278They are literally holding up binders that say "The Epstein Files"Why doesn't it count?
>>215417221So is imagination i suppose.
>>215417035Vader's garrison in Mos Eisley was minimal to the point of negligence, considering the importance of the mission. The notorious cantina was allowed to open for business: a place frequented by every kind of criminal and black market facilitator, including those who could smuggle rebels offworld, alongside the kind who would've liked to get their hands on those plans and sell them to the highest bidder. But hey just let them get on with it.The measures taken at the spaceports were feeble: every ship should have been disabled by Imperial engineers until the crisis was over. It was only Tatooine, after all. The galaxy would survive without Tatooine trade for a little while.
>>215417235Before that, he said Plagueis taught his apprentice everything he knew.
>>215417350I guess hindsight is 20/20 but you have to consider as well that Vader was whipping this up on the spot, and his measures would have 100% worked if not for Obi Wan. His presence could not possibly have been accounted for in Vader's plans. >>215417050Imperials clearly know the Jedi existed at some point, but they killed nearly all of them and don't respect their powers anymore.
>>215413250not that I actually ready any of the comics or EU stuff but I'm pretty sure it's expanded on that between TROS and ANH vader spends his time being an unstoppable killing machine taking on hundreds if not thousands of enemies single handedly + he's literally the space wizard enforcer second in command of the galactic fucking empire. I don't find it odd that he would genuinely still see himself as the chosen one.
>215417302>still persists with terrible bait
>>215418023There are so many EU stories, now divided into Disney and Lucasfilm canons, that it's hard to consolidate them into a single, solid narrative. Generally speaking, the comics portray him as the badass you're talking about, but in making him a W40K killing machine, they also make him vastly more athletic and powerful than the Vader we see in the original trilogy. In the comics he's fucking leaping through the air and ripping tanks apart: compare that with Vader's humble stroll through Echo Base in The Empire Strikes Back. I struggle to reconcile one Vader with the other, and so I have to see them as two different interpretations.
>>215410235>Two meters tall. Bipedal. Flowing black robes trailing from the figure and a face forever masked by a functional if bizarre black metal breath screen—a Dark Lord of the Sith was an awesome, threatening shape as it strode through the corridors of the rebel ship.>Fear followed the footsteps of all the Dark Lords. The cloud of evil which clung tight about this particular one was intense enough to cause hardened Imperial troops to back away, menacing enough to set them muttering nervously among themselves. From the 1976 Novel.
>>215419107>Fear followed the footsteps of all the Dark Lords.All one of them.>The cloud of evil which clung tight about this particular one was intense enough to cause hardened Imperial troops to back away, menacing enough to set them muttering nervously among themselves.Motti begs to differ.
>>215417050It was closer to 50 years when the movies originally released.
>>215419251>MottiThe ones with a working brain.>all of themYes anon that's the point. Them being an order was already a thing back then.
>>215409691me on the right
>>215418579>In the comics he's fucking leaping through the air and ripping tanks apart: compare that with Vader's humble stroll through Echo Base in The Empire Strikes BackThere's Luke/Leia's life until A New Hope of still having at least a youthful if burnt to shit torso. I buy that he's quite a bit less than spry by the time of the OT, and only pulls out the Terminator shit with great effort on special occasions.
>>215409373Imagine a regular Wehrmacht officer's reaction to Himmler's weird Ahnenerbe shit. That's this guy.
Do the Mandalorians know what the sith are? Considering the Mandalorian Crusades they must know of the sith right?
>>215419740Maybe. But if we focus mainly on what's in the films, he never seemed that great to me, certainly not CHOSEN ONE great. In AotC he screws up his rescue of Obi-Wan and is taken captive himself, outsmarted by the insect-brained Geonosians. He duels Dooku and gets an arm chopped off. He duels Obi-Wan and gets everything chopped off. He's only really good for killing Sand People and younglings. He also gets tricked by the Emperor at every turn, showing that his powers of Jedi clairvoyance are no better than those of the average Jedi.
