>If you read American action novels,they are usually stories about fighting spies of opponents like Hayakawa whatever or whatever communist guerrillas,Sometimes Nazis are still being used>for example,I was watching Stars Wars and wondering ”What did the Empire do something so bad?”(audience laugh)They are bad guys because they are wearing armor and covering their faces right?They even wears nazi uniforms>I don't want to make a story about Rambo fighting a Soviet martial artists, or a movie like Apocalypse now or Alien.>I think the aliens and the unintelligible Asians in Apocalypse now are the same for Americans.>So is it right to say that because we don't understand something, it is an enemy?>I think you know better than anyone how difficult it is for one person to go on an adventure and save the world in this day and age when the political and economic structures of our society have become so complex and so huge.>We are living in a time when we are asking ourselves, "Is this the right way for our society? ”what is wrong with our lives?”>I don't want to make a film that says the world will be at peace if we destroy something that we don't understand in such times>Speech from "can there be classical Adventure in modern age?"https://youtu.be/Jwn7a61dgREWhy can't American movie makers be as intelligent as GOAT miyazaki?
guy was a nonce
Considering how Hollywood struggles to create convincing villains in both war films and action films, Miyazaki was 100% right.
some are, but aren't propped up by a culture based on seniority. at least not in hollywood.
>>215444784Miyazaki sucks.
why does this guy hate everything
>>215444940He is a man denied his cunny.
damn gook shills are working hard lately
>>215444784>>I think the aliens and the unintelligible Asians in Apocalypse now are the same for Americans.>>So is it right to say that because we don't understand something, it is an enemy?>I made up a story in my head about how you're a piece of shit>why are you such a piece of shit?
>>215444784Damn, and he made a movie about developing a fighter that was used to commit war crimes.
is this the dude that did AOT?that was kino
>>215445029>war crimesGrorius Nippon make no war crimu. Whittu piggu go home.
>>215444784I dont think he even watched those filmswho watches alien and thinks>why are they fighting it? this says a lot about society
>>215445043uh no this is the guy who made such amazing films as...."little girl works in a bathhouse".
>regarding about whether it's possible to have an adventure story in the modern age, for example, kids are still reading Robinson Crusoe book>If you read that one, you'll see that That's the story of a hero who civilizes a cannibal named Friday by using him as a servant.its terrible story.Europeans did the slave trade and all kinds of things in Africa and Asia and nah they are still doing it in Africa right?>When you think about it all together, it's a really stupid person who wants to write that kind of story now.>So, suppose we were to write a story like Robinson Crusoe, but replace the cannibals with more incomprehensible aliens and So everything is all right?>How much of a change in mentality is there?nothing That's why they frequently make films against the communist guerrillas as villains now, who until then were Nazi soldiers.>People who have seen, say, Rambo II, and they think that the Vietnamese are terrible people, that Vietnam is a terrible place, but maybe the girls are not so bad... what do you think they do when they have to make a political decision in reality?>Films inevitably have that kind of influence, and they instill that kind of belief in the audience.https://youtu.be/Jwn7a61dgRE
>mutts and gooks own japs by making things upnever change gaijins
>>215445085That's the point he's making. It's a vague enemy who is evil because the movie says so and when the alien dies the world is saved. That kind of writing is infantile and promotes naive thought processes. It shouldn't be featured in films.
>>215444784>Star Wars>Rambo>Apocalypse Now >AlienThese movies are completely unalike. It seems like he just doesn't like thrillers. He should just say that.
Is this why Americans made that what kind of American are you" movie?"Kek hes just right then
>>215445150>you shouldn't assume that something preying upon you is evilYou're gay. You get the brick as well.
>>215445097>everybody who I don't like who sees a movie takes everything they see in the movie as literal objective fact with no exceptions>I know this for a fact and am definitely not just making shit up again
>>215445097He's not entirely wrong but he downplays human intelligence greatly. I really doubt most people are swayed in any significant way by stories like this. Even less so when we're talking about children's stories. You would have to be a genuine retard to hold political or societal views based upon what ideologies were taught to you in a film you saw when you were 9.
>>215444784>What did the Empire do something so bad?did this nigga go to the bathroom in the part where the death star blows up aldeeran?
>>215445295Anon...I...
>>215445341HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAnd they'll say Miyazakis wrong about this
>>215445330He was being glib, retard
>>215445171The one that stands out is Star Wars, but the rest have similar ideas
the funny thing is, liberals also love to fabricate miyazaki quotes but they do it to shit on anime with ''sexualized'' characters gaijins are genuinely insane
>>215444784Gooks will forever be upset that we bombed the fuck out of them, kek
>>215445473I just looooooove being included in our jewish overlords' genocidal warfare campaigns in order to further international banking USAbros it makes me feel like a big man its like being the Punisher but I can be fat and fucking stupid and not ever do anything myself lmoa
>>215445516Seething gook apologist, why don't you go torture more POWs LMAOOO
>>215445528>"I" dropped nuclear weapons on the center of Christian culture in Japan because I care about POWs so much How selfless of you, anon. Maybe you can get a statue someday.
>>215444784>when you leer on elementary school girls over a fence for "research"
>>215445896Is it right to say that because you don't understand why he was ogling preteen children, that he deserves to be censured for it? We are living in a time where we are asking ourselves "well, what if the child consents?"
>>215445896>when you make shit up because you can't think of any real flaws
>what? he's jap and talked shit about the us 30 years ago? okay now we are going to make up a fake interview of him and make him look worsei hate americans and koreans so much it's unreal
>>215445956This. This is what white devils simply don't understand.
>>215446008Luckily your new immigrant neighbours from your sister nation of India will help you with this.
>>215446008You're assuming he gives a shit about his reputation in retard circles. He dissed the entire anime industry and they're still shitting their pants over it
>>215446065>Not even in the top 5>"Muh Indians" Retard
>>215444784He literally stole all his ideas from American culture lol
>>215446008>nip portrays himself as a faggy twink getting intimidated by biggu amelican dicku
>>215444784I hope OpenAI rapes his works and he commits seppuku over them.
>>215446199One day we can make AI studio ghibli Lotr with soundtrack by the Beatles and no underage girls.
>>215446199>He insulted my movies and my country, I hope this thing he doesn't care about vaguely inconveniences him somehowRetard
>>215444784>What did the Empire do something so bad?”(audience laugh)They are bad guys because they are wearing armor and covering their faces right?They even wears nazi uniformsthey turn Luke's aunt and uncle into skeletons at the beginning of the movie
>>215446300They were white devils, who cares.
>>215446300Autism
>>215444784>Why can't American movie makers be as intelligent as GOAT miyazaki?Because not glorifying war is viewed as anti-American
>>215446008If you Really are Japanese then watch the full speechYou'll see im not making shit upI deliberately chose not to translate the parts where he criticized Gundam and shōjo manga in a similar vein, but he is saying exactly what is written here.
>HOW DARE A JAP CRITICIZE US?? TWO NUKES WEREN'T ENOUGH!! YOU WILL PAY FOR IT!! *conveniently ignores that he talks shit about Japan way more often*
>>215446293KYS esl faggot. Stop killing kids.
>>215446008>>215446502
Miyazaki is 5'2, that's the real reason why he hates masculine stories btw
>>215444784Does he also oppose Japanese stories where they defeat their enemies?
>>215446502>>215446407Let me guess, he seethes about Western shit then seethes at Japs who like Western shit? That's tangential criticism at best>be betterVs.>this thing I don't like is the root of all evil and must be destroyed
What would Miyazaki think of Robert Altman or Billy Wilder?
>>215446662He's already been doing that for years. One of his biggest criticisms of japan is how no one is still pissed off at america for nuking them.
>>215446701most Japs still hate America for that, it's just a touchy subject
>>215445150Isn’t the real enemy of alien a corporation who prioritizes greed over all else though
>>215446797Miyazaki didn't attend American university, his media literacy is somewhat lacking.
>>215444784It's funny that he missed that the Empire in Star Wars is America and the Rebels are inspired by the Viet Cong.
>>215446831That was more a later retcon by George, in the first movie they're just generic bad guys
>>215445016This, Miyazaki like a typical leftists creates his own strawman to hate America.Isnt it hypocritical to focus on America when your own country allied himself with the Nazis and committed countless war-crimes against other asian countries?.Like focus on your own country's history and stop projecting bro
The simple answer is that American movies are made for unintelligent audiences. They eat it up, and have no idea why they should consider something better.
>>215446662This speech is quite long, so I'll summarize: He loves adventure stories.He says it's only natural that in a dead-end society, where such adventures don't exist in reality, people want to feel that exhilaration—that they were born for this, that they were born for a purpose, just like the protagonists of adventure stories.However, he also believes that for such adventure stories to be compelling, the protagonist's motivation and challenge are crucial.He argues that the classic adventure story involves setting out on a journey carrying something one has created oneself—not for the sake of one's country, nor aboard a rocket built with vast funds btt encountering challenges to ultimately attain happiness for himselfIn crafting such stories, he doesn't want to resort to the simplistic approach of having the protagonist fight solely for their own nation, portraying enemies as other ethnic groups or factions and distorting them as evil.It's precisely because he imposes this constraint on himself that he struggles immensely in filmmaking. This speech poses a question he wants everyone to consider.
>>215444784I'll never not find it hilarious how much this man makes Boomers here seethe. Him and Eastwood are going to be the only two directors I seriously mourn when they die.
>>215444940He only likes a certain type of American cinema.
>>215444784Just give up man, analysis isn't for you
lol
>>215445097K8nda sounds like CNN reporting on January 6 Patriots.It was literally all democrat party infiltrators being directed into the government buildings by ''security (((wink wink)))" as planned by top democrat officials like Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Hillary, Obanigger.The few patriots that were led in were morons.TDD
>>215451315>sounds like CNN reporting on January 6 Patriots.How the fuck did you get that from the quote
>>215444784>old seething pedo boomer says shitwho asked?
>>215444784>>for example,I was watching Stars Wars and wondering ”What did the Empire do something so bad?”(audience laugh)They are bad guys because they are wearing armor and covering their faces right?Did they cut the part where they blow up an entire planet just to make an example of it and test their weapon from the Japanese release?
>>215444784I want to make a story about Sheeta and Pazu shooting Somalis
>>215444784I don't care too much for Miyazaki's films, but he's 100% in the right here.
>>215444784I want to make a story about Kiki and Tombo shooting Somalis
>>215452196>>215452268>Ghiblicore war moviesBest I can do is picrel
>>215452289Works for me!
>slime monster, now that's such a good enemy that all my movies should have slime monsters
>>215444784>complains about Americans being dumb>can't even keep up with the plot of Star Wars
>>215452468>all my movies should have slime monstersI see you too have only watched his 00s movies>>215452586>>can't even keep up with the plot of Star WarsIn all fairness I don't think anyone can at this point
lol, he's 100% right. You can see it now how Americans are literally losing their minds because Hollywood decided to make some villains sympathetic. We even had a thread recently and every retarded conservatard started screeching about communists ruining American "culture" because some show depicted orc children or something.
Go Nagai will always be eternally superior to this old contrarian turd.
>>215453216Go Nagai is just a weird pervert.
>>215453173Give flaptor rides to CommunistsSimple as
imagine not understanding Apocalypse Now/Heart of Darkness?
>>215453238Go Nagai literally made entire genres and concepts in the medium before everyone else. The best thing with him is how he loves his universe and characters, inspired tons of artists for new series and always kept his sense of humor.Miyazaki is a boring commie contrarian.
>>215453325And yet he never made anything as good as best Miyazaki. >made entire genres Yeah, bad ones. He's responsible for making manga/anime degenerate nonsense for perverts.Miyazaki is more like Tezuka.
>>215453325>Go Nagai literally made entire genres and concepts in the medium before everyone elseMiyazaki de facto invented steampunk while Spirited Away is such a pinnacle in the history of film that basically every other Japanese director since has been chasing the dragon of having "the next Spirited Away" ever since.I think it's safe to say both him and Nagai are very important artists whose influence is wide-ranging.
>>215444784>What did the Empire do something so bad
>>215453351>He's responsible for making manga/anime degenerate nonsense for perverts.Oh fuck off pearl clutcher, everything was le edgy and sexy in the 70s regardless of medium or location, it was just the zeitgeist as boomers in developed countries overthrew censorship regimes. And even then ecchi and fanservice is a footnote in Nagai's legacy.>Miyazaki is more like TezukaMiyazaki is in a league of his own, he really doesn't have any parallel anywhere else.
>>215453395it's clear he did not watch any of the movies hes talking about
>>215444784Is this guy retarded or what ? Apocalypse Now was about war bad, freedom and human soul
>filtered by Apocalypse Now
>>215444784You can't win this argument as long as he is "le marginalized oppressed japanese craftsman' and you are "imperial american pig". But you don't have to play his game.Ask any other old person from a east or southeastern Asian country and they will tell you the japs are inhuman expansionist psychopaths by nature. It's in their blood. Then cherry pick a few japanese classic novels and psychoanalyze that. Hell, pick any of those degenerate hentais. And by Miyazaki's own logic that makes him an inhuman expansionist psychopath too.
>>215453582Do you not realize that Miyazaki hates Imperial Japan as equally as he does the U.S and globohomo? He's basically a neo-reactionary politically who's nostalgic for pre-Meiji Japan.
>>215453351>literal shounens>mechas>post-apocalyptic>magical girls>school life and banchos>dark magic & demons>parodiesIt's still a lot. You seem bothered by his erotic stuff. Cool down roastie, it was soft and old as fucks anyway.
>>215444940Miyazaki wanted a daughtet to molest and God in His infinite hilarity gave him a son.
>>215453582> You can't win this argument as long as he is "le marginalized oppressed japanese craftsman' and you are "imperial american pig". But you don't have to play his game.Ask any other old person from a east or southeastern Asian country and they will tell you the japs are inhuman expansionist psychopaths by nature. It's in their blood. Then cherry pick a few japanese classic novels and psychoanalyze that. Hell, pick any of those degenerate hentais. And by Miyazaki's own logic that makes him an inhuman expansionist psychopath too.
>>215444784Miyazaki taking the red pill here. Were the Nazis and Japan really more evil than America? Who directed Indiana Jones?
>>215444784obnoxious bitter old pseud faggot high on his own supply proudly interpreting incorrectly things through the lens of an obnoxious bitter old pseud faggot high on his own supplyhis work is shit compared to others in the same generation, too but people jerk him off anyway because its the honorabu thing to do
>>215444940God complex. Not hate but he literally thinks hes above all others.
>>215453900>>215453582>You can't win this argument as long as he is "le marginalized oppressed working class American' and you are "imperial Jap Tojo". But you don't have to play his game.>Ask any other old person from a east or southeastern Asian country and they will tell you the Americans are inhuman expansionist psychopaths by nature. It's in their blood. Then cherry pick a few American classic novels and psychoanalyze that. Hell, pick any of those degenerate pornos. And by Spielberg's own logic that makes him an inhuman expansionist psychopath too.
>>215445097Remember that comedy scene when the soldiers arms get ripped off and played for laughs in Mononoke?Violence is funny according to Miyazaki. Mans a hypocrite.
>>215444784Miyazaki really is a raging retard who wouldn't have a career of his own if he didn't just adapt western works (while butchering them simultaneously)
>>215453666based triple sixes, checked
>>215454144Nice digits
>>215454124>Soilent tard can't admit he's a talented animator and storyteller
>>215444784>proceeds to steal aesthetics and visuals from Disney>proceeds to steal music from classical European music>proceeds to steal stories from European fairy tales and literatureTruly a genius.
I've never understood the point of these threads, I've seen them here consistently for years now using the same format. What purpose they serve and why they always blow up is a mystery to me.Is it deliberate trolling by some Ghiblifag to rile up the resident Boomers on /tv/? Is it Chinks trying to do the same? Are they Americaphilic Jeets obsessed with him due to his anti-American, anti-globohomo tendencies (I lean towards them and the Chinks personally due to all the ESL posts with reddit spacing)? I just need some closure. because these threads always bother me for whatever reason.
>>215447927>Umm one of the first adventure stories isn't a real adventure because robinson crusoe was on national business, only self centered adventures are real
>>215454224>Posted on a jap-run anime website that was copied from jap website
>>215444784>>I think the aliens and the unintelligible Asians in Apocalypse now are the same for Americans.holy strawman
>I am le very big brain deep thinker>*produces anime exclusively for discordgroomertroons*
>>215445434If Alien has a political message its an anti capitalist anti genetic engineering one. Possibly asking for better worker rights.
>>215454224>>proceeds to steal aesthetics and visuals from DisneyHow? He's been very explicit his whole career that he took more inspiration from Soviet and European arts and animation than Disney.>>steal music from classical European musicGoing by this logic every classical film composer from Mancini to Williams to Zimmer and everyone in between is a hack and a thief. Hisaishi is undisputably one of the best film score composers of all time just looking at his Ghibli stuff (especially Nausicaa and Laputa), let alone the countless other fantastic albeit lesser-known scores he has done and continues to do.>>steal stories from European fairy tales and literatureThe vast majority of his films are Japan-exclusive regarding cultural influence while Castle in the Sky took influence from late 19th century sci-fi and Nausicaa from the illustrations of Moebius (which Moebius himself admitted mogged his own work). Kiki's was a Japanese book despite taking influence from 1950s Sweden.None of which has anything to do with European folklore or fairytales, and has everything to do with his anti-American, and particularly anti-globohomo outlook.
>>215454317>discordgroomertroonsI find it hilarious when you Boomer fags say shit like this and then make a billion shill threads for Woody Allen, Roman Polanski, and Harvey Weinstein.
>>215444784>>215445097It's funny because george Lucas says the rebels are the vietcong and the empire is basically the USA. Miyazaki is such a miserable old fart that he tries to find ways to disagree with movies that agree with him
>>215445097I don't need any movies to know asians in general are terrible people, a history book is enough. The japanese should blame their retarded emperor for not giving up before getting nuked twice.
>>215448471This photo is still baffling even after all these years.
>>215444784>mfw it's true
>>215453395This. it's made pretty clear that the Empire is an unreasonably oppressive totalitarian regime. Also the scene at the very beginning where the stormtroopers murder a bunch of jawas for no reason. Also the opening scene of the movie where they murder a bunch of people on what is supposedly peaceful diplomatic vessel at that point in the movie.
Serious question. Is there at least one Jap mangaka/animator who isn't a pedo?
>>215446988The point is that Americans still make movies about destroying nazis and vietcong over and over and over again because Americans are sterile in a cultural way, they can only think of themselves in relation to others as being the good and also having to eradicate the ones they do not understand. Case in point is the middle east or Asia post WW2. I am not going into the debate of how much Jews actually control your country, but I think it's safe to say that Americans can not create anything. Even their enemies are just human beings who do not suck America off. Therefore this culturally and spiritually void nation must destroy them.
Watch https://youtu.be/9V52Gb_IEv8
>>215454283Do Americans really think that Robinson Crusoe is the first adventure story in human history? I think Miyazaki was wrong, having enemies be an entire country is actually very important, my enemy is the USA.
>>215455097the better question is, why is everyone obsessed with pedo in the us?
>>215444890The last thrid of Akira is rushed and makes no sense.The first half is pretty nice though
>>215454536>oh nooo, 75 dead people on the ground I guess the American Civil War never happend huh. I wish you all erased yourself back then. Europe could live in harmony and peace today without your mutt meddling.
>>215454830Supposedly supposedly allegedly. The empire did not do anything inherently bad. The Rebels are literally called Rebels and nowadays we live in a world where rebels in Palestine are bombed into oblivion and we all have to pay for that to support it. The USA is actually the empire, not the Nazis. Even though of course Jews would never admit that their golem is evil.
>>215445293>>215445295His point is that he makes movies/stories and therefore he obviously takes them seriously. The average western mind was for centuries extremely unaware and ignorant of even the existence of intellect and morals other than their own (which funnil, enough can shift whenever necessary) and took great pride in that. Its absolutely not far fetched to say that culturally monolithic works are the basis for a moral system. C.G. Jung (who so many Amerikeks worship nowadays for some reason) literally said the same thing, that culture is the foundation of the soul.
>>215446874Not really, they're already based in a jungle and the main protagonists are desert dwelling religious extremists
>>215455935>obliterating an entire planet populated by billions of people just to punish one person for lying is actually good o algo
>>215444940He's obviously a tranny. He's spent his entire life seething that he was not born a woman.
America is literally the beggest enemy for Japan and it's not even close. You can tell that from seeing /tv/ alone. It's really like modern-day colonialism and nobody bats an eye.
>>215455935>Star Wars is like Palestine that's why we NEED to keep bombing GazaHoly fuck kikes are insane.
>>215456095It's not America, it's whites. He hates whites. Japanese spent thousands of years fucking everyone around them up. Then they saw whites and thought they could do it again. That was supposed to be their big moment! Imperialist Japan! The great Nippon empire! And a bunch of big hairy smelly tall whites with big caveman brows fucked them up instead.Eternal seething. Eternal. No end to it.
>>215456048Blowing up a planet in the universe of Star Wars is literally the equivalent of blowing up a metropolitan area in one fell swoop. Wait, who did this kind of thing again? Was it...no, I think it was actually the US who did this sorta thing. Or maybe we can compare it to Israel bombing Gaza into rubble. Or maybe we can compare it to how the US carpet bombed North Korea into total obliteration and killed 33% of that country's population in a less than 5 year timespan...There are literally trillions of sentient lifeforms in Star Wars. So your gotcha moment is really dumb
>>215456106Nigger what kind of USA brain do you posess that you thought I advocated for Pissrael?
>>215456121Maybe theyre just mad that you niggers never apologized for being the only country on the planet to use not just one but two nuclear bombs, not just offensively, but on civilian populations no less. The Japanese don't really seem to have any problem with Germans, Swedes, Italians, Turks, British, French or Hungarian people...weird...
>>215456169Yeah you do lmao, you just hate whites. Don't worry, we'll be done holding you up one day. Can't wait for it. You lost, tranny.
>>215456178Sorry nigger, I dont hate whites, I love my European skin, blue eyes and hair, and I love European culture, I just hate Americans.
>>215456260You lost tranny
>>215456169Not that guy but Japan never apologized for their war crimes either
>>215456289What did we lose? The Jewish war foisted upon our beautiful backs by the goySA? I am glad we lost, at least we do not have to live like the ZogSA cattle, in eternal nigger serfdom, kike worship, goysloppery and eternal soullessness
>>215456315You're right. But they have not used Chinese as their eternal enemies and reheated them in their movies and books and videogame industry.
>>215456169america was put in a self defense situation after an unprovoked attack on pearl harbor, they fucked around and found out
>>215455907What about the second half of the second third?
>>215453666You left your trips on again, satan
>>215445097Kek, so it's basically an seethe against the BWC taking their women? Another ricecel...
>>215455915>I guess the American Civil War never happend huhHow many fights during the American Civil War were won through strategically eating your own civilians?
>>215456936With that logic Americans were cannibals too because they live next to fucking Mexico. The Japs never did that shit
>>215457072>I don't need any movies to know asians in general are terrible peopleWork on your reading comprehension, retard-kun.
>>215446797It is. The alien represents nature fighting back. It’s a pretty simple thing to understand.
>>215453173the rings of power orc children thing really does seperate the bookfags from the moviefags.>guy online says that they changed the lore>point out it's from a letter tolkien wrote>guy argues that if it's in the published book thats canon and everything else is fake>point out that the "mutilated corrupted elves" explanation was literally from a compilation of notes published after his death and he never read the books>he starts frantically screeching about how it's definitely in the books and he's not a poser movieniggerWords on a page are the single most terrifying thing to an american
>>215444784>sees face-raping seething double mouthed bloodthirsty acid-blood Alien OH SO YOU’RE SAYING THAT’S ME, HUH?
Look at how mad /tv/ gets when they're presented with the cold hard truth.
>>215448471The best ass licker in the biz, may God rest her soul
>>215456344Japs dont have the balls to do that. Itd bring back their war crimes to the normiesphere and they want to pretend that only they are victims
>>215445150>who is evil because the movie says soUh no I think it's the chest bursting and the face eating
>>215446797As in the Apocalypse now, the villains are not asians, but a fellow American soldier going rogue and became a threat to an American military industrial complex.
>>215458838always
what a massive faggot with an inferiority victim complex, who the fuck is he to speak to how another country perceives people, is this guy a leftist or what? i can see this faggot defending illegal immigrants and minorities like niggers, good thing he is going to DIE, estranged to his son, unhappy with society, in his little home, BUGLAND.
>>215444842>was
>>215456330what country are you from? (your hair is very curly btw, jew)
>>215459929Worse, he's that unique kind of faggot who only exists because of the grace those he hates so intensely grant him with charity.Japan got two atom bombs followed by the most generous, compassionate, merciful, humane occupation in human history. They could've been left with ruins and nothing. If they'd won, they'd have left everyone else with nothing. Only whites have this level of compassion for "people" who hate them, and how is it repaid? With this.
