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Does anyone else find it difficult to follow the plot of a lot of shows?

The hardest part is keeping track of the million character names which all just blur together after a certain point. How am I supposed to immediately remember the first name of some minor character who was only mentioned twice last season? I rarely have this issue with movies because there's no 1 week gap between each installment.
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thats why i like lynch movies
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watch with subtitles on
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>>215456107
[speaks spanish]
t-thanks subtitler!
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yeah. especially when season 1 has a fairly modest cast and it's easy to remember and then season 2+ for some reason introduces a million new characters.
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I dont remember the names but I have no problem remembering the character. Do you watch the show with your phone? For me it's usually snowballs into not caring about the show at all, so now I either give it my whole attention or dont watch it at all if it's not good enough for that
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>>215456037
I don't usually have an issue maybe because I read grand fantasy and sci-fi books that tend to have a ton of characters to keep track of, however I have noticed that sometimes shows will use actors that have very similar faces and I do end up mixing characters up because of that. Maybe I'm just a bit faceblind but there are some times when it's like, why would they put two people so similar into the same show. At least when I read I can imagine everyone to be very distinct.

Not something that happens a lot and I can't even think of an example, but it has happened.
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>>215456107
Watching anything with subtitles (assuming you are actually fluent in the language) is a sign of low IQ.
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>>215456562
Damn that's crazy anybody with poor hearing is stupid

Wow
Dude you should give talks on the human condition
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>>215456577
Get a hearing aid and watch/listen properly then you fucking spastic.
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>>215456562
Bad sound mixing in modern media+shitty speakers+can't turn it up too loud because life in shitty newbuild with paper walls=subtitles needed.
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>>215456626
everyone blames sound mixing but i think it's because actors today can't enunciate for shit they mumble everything
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>>215456562
no it just means you are taking in more information at once and are using your brain more when engaging with the movie / show. some times this is useful if you can't make out what they are saying / are foreign, but it always results in you taking more away from it, especially stuff like names. a sign of low IQ is your mental retardation stopping you from multitasking by reading subtitles and watching at the same time
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>>215456037
Yeah, I've always had that but it gradually makes sense towards the end or if I really like the movie, I end up understanding it after many rewatches... more with movies though
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>>215456669
It's a combination of factors. Modern sound mixing really is fucking terrible. There is no normalisation so if you have the sound high enough to hear the dialog you get earraped once the music or some explosion sound hits. Go watch older stuff and you'll see that the range of volume isn't so extreme. And yes, "natualistic" dialog has meant that actors don't speak properly anymore. Another thing you can easily see in old movies and tv shows is that the actors care about their lines being easily understood.

Also funny how Christopher Nolan is basically to blame for both of these issues.
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>>215456689
Genuinely embarrassing take, anon, and a sign of the times, where "more more more" is all that is important. Subtitles (for those of us that can actually read quickly) ruin pacing of jokes, outright spoil dialogue before it is given, removes information from the original picture and causes additional, unnecessary distraction to the screen, which all detracts from the original, intended experience.
Subtitles should only be used when absolutely necessary, and anyone that disagrees is a fucking mongoloid.
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>>215456037
I dropped HotD because it took a two year break and then expected me to remember dozens of characters and all their interpersonal conflicts.
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>>215456577
>>215456626
Cope. Youre retarded zoomers with zero ability to pay attention because your brains are scrambled by youtube slop from ipads.
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>>215456761
>ruin pacing of jokes
>watching comedy to begin with

english is my third language and I speak, read and write it perfectly solely because I have used subtitles on everything I've watched since I was a child. there are objectively good reasons people have for using subtitles and everything you listed is a non issue or specific to you. dialogue is rarely spoiled if the subtitles aren't poorly done, you know that right? not all subtitles are of the same quality. once again I return to my original argument that subtitles are not distracting at all if your brain operates at a high enough frequency where you can take in both the subtitles and what's happening on screen. if you have never used them then I understand why this might be difficult for you, but you can't write them off just because you're a little retarded than the rest of anon
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>>215456897
I watch stuff with headphoens and never turn on subtitles when I do. However, when I watch on the tv I use subtitles for basically anything made after 2010. Pre 2010 or if I'm watching really old stuff? No problem. So if it's an attention span issue why am I fine with all of that.
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>>215456750
Most people watch TV shows on chinkshit Walmart TVs and their tinny back facing speakers. Streamers don't bother with proper mixing because they know the viewer either isn't paying attention or is using subtitles anyway,
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>>215456899
Dude, if English is your third language I think you can be fogiven for using subtitles. But if it's your first language, you have no hearing issues and the dialog is crisp and clear, there is no reason to use subs. You can't make the claim that you "always" take more from a show by using subtitles, it's just not true. I would argue that it is more retarded to ALWAYS need subtitles because it shows that you can't take in stuff just from audio and visual, you need text as well. But once again, you are literally not a native speaker so maybe, just maybe you aren't the best authority on what is best for us?
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>>215456899
>watching comedy to begin with
Jokes aren't only in comedies, anon, Jesus fucking wept.
>there are objectively good reasons people have for using subtitles
Well duh, that's why I said "unless they are absolutely necessary". For you, being an ESL (ETL?), they are (or rather, were). Time to graduate to being a big boy and retire them for English language media. I believe in you.
>dialogue is rarely spoiled if the subtitles aren't poorly done, you know that right?
What are you fucking on about? I read significantly faster than people talk, so of course it is spoiled.
>once again I return to my original argument that subtitles are not distracting at all if your brain operates at a high enough frequency where you can take in both the subtitles and what's happening on screen.
Well of course I can do that, but you cannot deny that something is lost when reading subtitles, just as something is lost when reading a translation of a book. It isn't the same, and it never will be.

For an example, think of all the different ways an actor can speak the simple line "I don't know." Think of all the additional meaning that can be gleaned from the enunciation of different sylabbles, the pausing between different words. Imagine you are watching a film where the actor is about to say that line. First, the subtitles appear: "I don't know". You read it instantly, of course, it's a short line of dialogue. You likely read it in a specific way, with a specific meaning. Now the actor says it, and overwrites that meaning that you originally gleaned from the subtitles. This is a SHIT way of experiencing media, and the more complex the dialogue, the shittier it gets.
If you just want to watch slop then whatever, but anything serious should never, ever be experienced this way.
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>>215456587
Damm it's crazy that anybody who ever didn't have exactly what they needed was stupid.
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>>215456037
Bruce?
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>>215456037
>because there's no 1 week gap between each installment.
That's the time you should be using to reflect on what you just watched. Bingers are the cancer of good media. They consume a full season in a day, don't remember or consider anything, then demand the next thing to consoom. Unironically, what you're supposed to be doing is thinking about the episode from start to finish, what happened here, what about this, why that, where did that guy go, who is going to do what, etc. A good show is where this is all meaningful and has a payoff that leaves you satisfied. Bad shows are where this is all pointless and no one gives a shit. There's no reason to think about it at all since it doesn't matter.



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