THE MOVIE
More like>life in South Korea fucking sucks ass: the movie
>>215463814But it is bad. It's the system with the highest death toll, not to mention how dehumanizing it is.
>>215463814Worst Korea: The Movie
its funny, Snowpiercer is more of an anti capitalism film than Parasite, same director. however, that movie contains a scene where the lower classes revolt once they realize they have been eating bugs all along, and since that seems to be the current plan to fight climate change, defended and supported by leftists, they cant really use that film for their anti human propaganda anymoregod, i hate commies
>>215463814To be fair South Korea is pretty much one of those megacorporation run dystopias you see in sci fi movies. Their idea of capitalism is a state enforced monopoly of wealth and power.
>>215463979And it's slowly but surely being taken from them by China. Korean heads will roll within this decade.
>>215463814Bong's work is so mediocre it transcends into awful. It's actually less than the sum of its parts.
retarded faggot the op
>>215464083No one likes a contrarian.
>>215463839>it's the system with the highest death tollDo you have even a single fact to back that up?
>>215464083Based
>>215463814>nooooo you can't make movies about bitter class inequity nooooo
>>215463814I thought the message was poor people bad?
>>215464248capitalism literally genocided entire continents
>>215464445Your proof?
>>215463814Capitalism is bad because it enables Jews and pedophiles
>>215463814It's more than that, it's about human nature conditioned to hierarchy. Capitalism is just a means for this movie to make the point, it can be said in many different ways as well.
>>215463839name a better system
>>215464547>name a better systemFeudalism my beloved
>>215464542What hierarchy ?They paid them a wage for a job. Get real.>>215463979Is Korea really so shit that folding pizza boxes is a real Job instead of just done in house while making pizza?The pizza boxes folding scene is the biggest horror scene in the whole film
>>215464471history
>>215464547Socialism with Chinese characteristics
>>215464601Can you be any less of a disingenuous attention whore?
>>215464248He's some retarded commie that attributes basically all deaths to capitalism. It's not capitalism's fault that Africans are fucking starving.
>>215463908I agree and it's funny to see that his social commentary in his films progressively get worse each time from Snowpiercer to Mickey 17.>118 million dollar budget and you cast Mark Ruffalolmfao
>>215464339That was the intended message but leftists have to adopt some idiotic narrative. The simple fact of the matter is that if your family is not ludicrously wealthy by now you simply have bad genes. Enough generations have passed and the good genes have risen to the top.
>>215464604Cite specific sources, please
>>215464601As I understand it life in South Korea mainly comes in three flavours>being part of one of the tech megacorporation familiesYou're literally the country's equivalent of a god king, more powerful than politicians, virtually untouchable and rich out of the ass, enjoy>being a worker for said mega corpsYou'll live a good life and be rich. But here's the catch, you'll have to make it into one of the few hyper elite universities(the thing the girl in this movie was falsifying was a cerificate from one of them) which are incredibly competitive and kids will study all day and lose sleep for a grain of a chance of getting into one.>everyone elseHigh chances you'll be a poorfag licking the dirty the megacorps walk on unless you make it into entertainment, politics or whatever. You'll still be licking their asses if you do mind you, but while having more cash.
>>215463814>rich characters are nice and naive>poor characters are bad and live like a parasite. ok media illiterate commie.
>>215464732You can find them on any history manual or book
>>215463814>Filmmakers who are successful because of capitalism complaining about capitalism Sick of this trope. Be grateful for once ou commie idiots
better filmbetter lead role actor
>>215465403>le commies>le capitalismnone of these exist in reality outside of your cia brainrotten nigger brain
>>215464983So you don’t have a source
>>215464601>is folding pizza boxes a real jobIt is done for extra cash by a low class family.I once saw a whole family assemble pens like pictured in Turkey ~20 years ago. They came unassembled in separate bags and for each assembled bag they returned they would get some small amount of money. The whole family would do it when they were watching TV after dinner.
>>215464547easy, social market economy.
korea won, this has upset many people here for some reason
>>215465403>You made money that means you can never criticize the pedophile elite and the degenerate society they created Low IQ
>>215463814This movie is not about Capitalism. You could set it in North Korea or Europe and it would work out the same.The movie is about Better people (rich) vs Worse people (poor).
>>215463814It is. Capitalism is bad. So is everything else. People should just let go of all material things and start sucking and fucking instead
>>215464732Meth pipe
>>215464722hes a fucking hack and wont be trusted again with that budget bong hee young park or w/e had his chance and blew it
>>215465403>you can't make fun of or criticize the party once you join it how dare youYou're actually acting like a communist lmao
>>215464339The message is, you can make an amazing movie with perfect pacing and a near perfect screenplay, cimematography, performances, sets etc. And is damn good fun to watch.But everyone will be too busy tearing their hair out wondering who the "bad guys" were and what "the message" is.
>>215463814Actually super based how the studio used the profits from this film to feed and shelter the homeless
>>215463814>CAPITALISM BAD THE MOVIEno shit. 99% of the world is still getting raped by capitalism, so it's clearly worth restating until people get the message
>no shit. 99% of the world is still getting raped by capitalism, so it's clearly worth restating until people get the message
>>215469555Capitalism is why trannies are a thing btw, doctors and pharmaceutical companies love having permanent patients they can charge as much as they want to
>Capitalism is why trannies are a thing btw, doctors and pharmaceutical companies love having permanent patients they can charge as much as they want to
>>215464193I do, because I'm a contrarian.What now faggot.
Midwit parroted nonsense
>>215470918>if you hate trannies, you're a tranny!
>>215470644In a communist society trannies wouldn't be a thing?
>>215471736>In a communist society trannies wouldn't be a thing?Trannies as we know them today are/were considered mentally ill freaks in the vast majority of communist societies (and the vast majority of societies in general outside of the post-1991 West). Only Cuba and maybe East Germany have ever been somewhat tolerant of them.
This shit won the Oscar in 2019 because if it didn't the winner would have been white
>>215464725
>>215471797>This shit won the Oscar in 2019Because it was the best movie. You seriously think Jonkler or Tarantino were better than Parasite?
>>215471790Most communists embrace them nowadays though
>>215471845Yes tranny
>>215471883>Most communists embrace them nowadaysYeah and most "White supremacists" in the U.S are Spics and Niggers. Nothing makes sense anymore anywhere.>>215471897>Joker better than ParasiteWe have found the raped>trannyYou should look around the CIA man, that place is a den of troons and has been for a while.
>>215463814this movie is about how poor people suck and are lazy lying schemers, and I'm tired of pretending it's not
>>215463814Capitalism bad - the Country
>>215472346>"a shoe that fits various feet" - Ernst Junger
>>215463839Look up global population over the past 500 years. 95% of humans on Earth only exist because of capitalism.
>>215463908Is the leftist with the insidious plan to make us all eat bugs in the room with us now, anon?
>>215466055All his Korean language movies are excellent.
>>215464628so, fascism.
No.Just more french revolution. Dehumanization = cannibalization.OP types make the fatal mistake abusing robots in Animatrix, causing genocide of the entire planet.Capitalism doesn't have to = hurr me exist in hyper-convenience era of 1800-2050 so me get be nepo-monkey and pretend higher IQ than everyone cause me have time and resources go to school!B-But the rich are the only smart enough to utilize wealth! Doubtful, and even if partially true, street smarts can be transformed into book smarts. Just another name on a bank account grown too large. Parasites on a system temporarily malformed into appearing normal. Big blood filled ticks begging to be popped out of your own unaware self induced misery.It is a movie about learning fundamental life lessons that prove you're human, that you're worthy of remaining a member of humanity: that it is easy to be kind, that doing good makes you feel good, that kindness (of course reserved only for those who actually deserve kindness, there are lots of evil poor people too) is often no different from a long term investment.It startlingly reveals how infantile the minds of many nepobooms are that they were incapable of resonating with so simple a theme: Yes, your cake will be eaten.It is just so strange because even a very low IQ modern day human at least slightly cognizant of the concept of evolution would naturally understand that the pliant peasant population of medieval times is almost totally gone. Evolution will always adapt beings to the moment. The 'infinitely nice and submissive' poor butler population has gone extinct, and now you're just a bunch of soft rich people surrounded by much stronger self motivated manual laborers.And now the good thin blue line and military people will be innocently caught in the middle trying to maintain civilization like the misused angels that they are, but you can't really pay enough to enact whatever villain genocide fantasies you possess.Butlerian jihad indeed.
>>215472804>Look up global population over the past 500 years. 95% of humans on Earth only exist because of capitalism.This isn't an argument in captialisms favor though, because most of that population increase were turd worlders.
>>215463839Communism killed more people than capitalism ever will. Capitalism is the most free system in existence. Capitalism is the only true good in this shit universe. Economic liberty is the only possible liberty. You are a retard.
>>215463839You have a mental disorder.
Capitalism is why you're getting replaced by Indians btw
>>215474707Capitalism is why you have the opportunity to start your own business and make money off those Indians btw. Don't blame capitalism for your own lack of motivation.
>>215474716>you have the opportunity to start your own businesslol, lmao even
>>215474621even feudalism was freer than capitalism
>>215474744>>215474746Stop cucking yourselves. You have opportunity and power. You just refuse to seize it. The world won't hand itself to you, retards. You have to fight for it.
>>215474757>You just refuse to seize itBut when people like me seize power you then call people like me a commie or a nazi and use the full force of trusts, the media, and the state to shut people like me down
>>215474767Of course. Anything it takes to win. Anything it takes to protect what I've already attained. If you present as a threat then I will identify you as a threat and take appropriate action. It isn't my fault you're born a Black Woman or whatever. It is just a fact that said Black Woman (or whatever other reasonably identified threat to the natural order) encourages encroachment on my interests. Naturally I will use every power available to me to protect my interests. The issue is largely a matter of relative power balance, not anything innate. However, innate qualities are largely "understood" by the masses, so why would I not take advantage? Play the game. Play to win. Of course I will fight you every step of the way. It is only natural.
>>215474812>Play the game. Play to win.What me and everyone else is saying is that the game is rigged. "Playing the game" just results in you getting shut down unless your "game" is 1. playing greater fool theory and creating Ponzi schemes centered around the next big thing like the dot com bubble, housing market, AI, etc., or 2. fellating your way to the top of a corporate ladder (either figuratively or literally) in exchange for your soul, and finally3. being born into wealth, conenctions, and prestige.>Of course I will fight you every step of the way. It is only natural.You can be mask off about it, but when people like you start doing that then don't be surprised when you see more people like pcirel realize "the game" is a Schmittian/Machiavellian one of power and not profit and simply start killing people like you.
>>215474621>still thinking freedom is a good thingGrow up fag
>>215463814Why do you guys love capitalism so much? What has it done for you directly, in a way that hasn't been related to you by others?
>>215475239>Why do you guys love capitalism so much?When capitalism was run by Northwest Europeans it gave us pretty much everything to where we were even on the verge of space colonization.
>>215473581retard
>>215475239I can sit on my pc writing shit on 4chan right now just thanks to capitalism
>>215474621Even the people who invented those statistics know they're bullshit.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Book_of_Communism#Academic_presshttps://www.hamptonthink.org/read/red-scared-revising-history-at-the-victims-of-communism-museumhttps://jacobin.com/2025/01/black-book-communism-courtois-history
>>215475313Okay, could you explain directly how capitalism has generated that outcome?>>215475277What exactly is capitalism that it has to be manned that way? And why is the racial characteristic of those running it important?
>>215475239Capitalism let's you be a lazy borderliine-NEET, provided you don't expect to be living big. Do enough to support yourself and you're good. Work as much as you expect to make.Communists expect you to put in work and you get what you get because "lol muh collective". Being a single man just means you have more time to toil for them because you don't have a family to spend time on. It's an actual bug mentality.
>>215475354>What exactly is capitalism that it has to be manned that wayFor capitalism to not simply turn into Latin America, Africa, or India you need disciplined, intelligent, and (mostly) ethical people running the show. They can be Europeans, East Asians, Jews, etc. They just need those cultural elements (which the U.S and West hasn't had in some time). It;s not racial as much as it is cultural.
>>215463839>It's the system with the highest death toll,Why do marxists lie all of the time?Those high death tolls are from countries with unfree markets
>>215464445>capitalism is when the government does stuff Retard>>215475331
>>215475331>jacobinLmao why do commies lie all of the time?
>>215468678Okay bootlickerNo move to north Korea or Venezuela
>>215475331>it wasn't 100 million, it was actually 60 million so that means communism works :)
>>215475446>Latin America, Africa, or IndiaThose places are only poor because they are the least capitalist places on earth
>>215463814Mr park had acted differently if he knew it was his daughter.
>>215475433>Communists expect you to put in work and you get what you get because "lol muh collective"No, you could totally do a fake mundane make-work job in communist Russia and still have a place of your own. That's how full employment worked. They had guys whose job was to watch escalators to make sure nobody got caught in them.>Do enough to support yourself and you're good. Work as much as you expect to make.In a world of rapid inflation, stagnant wages and no price controls as well as abysmal job "markets" this is getting less and less true by the hour. But maybe you don't mind living in your car?
>>215475530>not real communism argumentThe U.S and West are rapidly turning into places like that literally and figuratively, no amount of "theory" will save you from that fundamental reality.
>>215475287stfu commie nigger
>>215475518Included among the vast majority of "victims of communism" statistics are the armies of the Third Reich as "victims">>215475576make me
>>215475554>>not real communism argumentI mean yeah. Those places have extreme levels of government intervention so a capitalist market cannot form and do it's thing.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_economic_freedom>>215475587One book being bad doesn't refute the overwhelming academic research showing communist countries killed tens of millions, you retarded bootlicking tankie.
>>215475774Could you explain exactly how it was communism that did that
>>215475548>fake mundane make-workThat was one of the reasons why everyone waa so poor there.Their economy was very inefficientAlso there is no inflation in free market capitalism. Inflation is caused by governments printing money through central banks.A free market would mean a gradual deflation over time as living standards increased.
wasn't the message "poor people are scum"?
>>215475786By monopolizing the entire economy leading to reduced economic output, thus starvation.You really think forcing people onto inefficient collective farms, stealing their food and shooting them of they tried to leave wouldn't result in mass deaths?
>>215475802The message was that this level of inequality actually makes parasites of both families
>>215475786>>215475587Refute the economic calculation problem.You literally can't.Inb4 muh "BIG COMPUTER"
>>215475548You're assuming they don't just ship you off to go work the mines because you're part of the "lazy parasite class". The soviets literally equated low expectations for life with muh boozzwa class.
>>215475774>extreme levels of government interventionDo you seriously think places like India's bronze age cyberpunk regime or most African countries reliant on Russian and Arab mercs for security suffer from "government intervention" you fucking moron
>>215475797>That was one of the reasons why everyone waa so poor thereThere was nobody who was actually poor in the same way that people in America are poor. Y'know, where they don't have food, clean water, places to live, medicine and they die completely forgotten about. Everyone had those things in Soviet Russia, and the collapse of the USSR actually brought the largest single drop in life expectancy in world history.Nobody is supposed to be affluent under communism. The glory of the system is defined by everyone having what they need, not for just a few people to have needlessly gigantic houses and expensive cars. The standard of living is equalized and rises and falls as the system itself performs.>Inflation is caused by governments printing money through central bankslolbertarian detected, please rope
>>215475866Yes.You are exposing your own ignorance.India's economy is very socialist. They have socialism in the constitution.It ranks very low on the economic freedom scale.They recently tried to reform this and give Indians more property rights but the Indians revolted against it because they are retarded
>>215475892>fucks your wife
>>215475822>reduced economic output, thus starvationThat's a pretty big logical leap from one thing to another. Most actual famines in the USSR and China were caused by miscalculations or misguided agricultural projects (these were rare as they were large endeavors to begin with) or just plain natural disaster.>>215475836Never heard of it but sounds like some ruling class bullshit to me>>215475915Like most of these systems, capitalist or otherwise, aren't crawling with rapists at the top.
>>215475909>India's economy is very socialistIt was until it liberalized in the 1990s under Rao's government. Ever since India has become a textbook neoliberal regime, which has all but accelerated under Modi.>They have socialism in the constitution.The U.S has a lot of de jure things in it's constitution it de facto doesn't have, constitutions are quite literally pieces of paper whose interpretations are up to whoever controls the institutions.>Indians revolted against it because they are retardedThey revolted against it because going against the farm subsidies would have resulted in millions starving to death. This is also why India does not want to break its ties with Russia, given Russian oil and fertilizer has given India energy and food security.
>>215475892>where they don't have food, Millions starved to death in the ussr.Even the homeless in America have access to food.I know this because I was homeless for a year in USA.>clean water, Water in the USSR wasn't high quality and was often contaminated with industrial waste. Apart from a few areas of the US, most people have access to clean water.>places to live, People in the USSR simply killed their homeless or sent them to gulags. They made it illegal.>medicineSoviet "medicine" was medicine in name only. The quality was piss poor, there were waiting lines. There was HIV in the blood supply and high levels of anti-biotic resistance.> and the collapse of the USSR actually brought the largest single drop in life expectancy in world history.Literally any time a country or economic system collapses, there is chaos and a transition period. You think this is bad? It was worse when the ussr first started.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWWqhsh848E>not for just a few people to have needlessly gigantic houses and expensive cars.You want everyone to be equally poor because you're a loser.>lolbertarian detectedLOL So you admit I'm correct.Imagine crying over simple fucking facts.Capitalism doesn't create inflation, the government does.Socialists support central banking.
>>215475997Capitalism does not exist without the government
>>215475962>miscalculationsA miscalculation by a few firms in capitalism is localized. When the state monopolizes everything, it forces everyone to bear the consequences of their retarded decisions.>Never heard of itIt's one of the major critiques of a socialist economy actually working and it has yet to be refuted.>some ruling class bullshitYou people are literally in a religious cult and there's no helping you.>aren't crawling with rapists at the top.Stalin and mao were literal child rapists.
>>215475990>It was until it liberalized in the 1990s under Rao's governmentThey barely liberalized it. If they hadn't done this, it would be much poorer today.>neoliberal regimeHell I wish!>They revolted against it because going against the farm subsidies would have resulted in millions starving to death.Those laws are literally forcing the price of food up so a small collective of farmers can live luxuriously. You have no idea what you're talking about.>>215476011>Capitalism does not exist without the governmentlmfao what? Stateless capitalism existed many times in history like in Acadia and Ireland.It's socialism that requires a state. All examples of anarcho communism were literal states with endless rules.
>>215476011lol
>>215476011lolx2
>>215468678Why are you posting a symbol of the time french capitalism overthrew feudal aristocracy in your anti capitalist post
>>215476065>american old westSo basically: frontier territory set to be expanded into and a very small handful of women that are all married to some form of boss, or actual prostitutes.>old irelandrule by big-man. congrats on ridding yourself of some vague overarching authority, here's your boss living in the hut next to yours.
>>215476065>Old WestWtf is this cope
>>215476175He's not wrong about it being anarchy, it's just a good example of why anarchy is fucking retarded.
>>215476042>If they hadn't done this, it would be much poorer today.Whose to say, Kerala is the best state in India by a mile after all. I'm not a commie in any way but they've certainly done a better job at running the place they rule than the BJP or Congress ever have running the entire country.>I wishYou should really take a look at what happened to Sri Lanka when they did this in the 80s and again the late 2010s. The grass is always greener on the other side, Sajay.>a small collective of farmers can live luxuriouslyI get that you're some tech Jeet in Bangalore or Mumbai but the average Jeet is a subsistance farmer in some random hinterland dependent on cooperatives to live and uplift his family. He needs that regime in place or else he loses his livelihood and his food.>Stateless capitalism existed many times in history like in Acadia and Ireland.Yeah in its modern form it exists in the Sahel and the Congo. If you want to live your trve capitalist lolbert dream just move there and set up shop as a merc who has a stake in a mine or gas field like the Arabs and Russians have.
>>215476164>frontier territory set to be expanded intoAlmost a million people lived out there. I don't see how your nitpicks refute it actually being stateless and capitalistic.>rule by big-manNah, it was polycentric law with no actual rulers. But thanks for playing.>>215476175>coperead a bookhttps://www.amazon.com/Not-So-Wild-West-Property/dp/0804748543
>>215463814The movie literally shows the other side actually. The poors are the parasites.
>>215476197>akchooaly, there were no rulersFuck off. Show me a group of 12yo boys, i'll show you a leader. There's no such thing as no leadership, there's always a boss.>Almost a million people lived out there. I don't see how your nitpicks refute it actually being stateless and capitalistic.That wasn't even my point. It's FRONTIER territory. You send the roughnecks out to establish it, then you absorb it. The old west was never meant to be that way permanently.
>>215476187>KeralaThey're not even socialist.>Sri LankaIt's likely they never actually liberalized anything and just said they were going to.Liberalization worked in Myanmar, Poland, Taiwan, Singapore, Estonia.I don't know what to tell you man>but the average Jeet is a subsistance farmerCool. Why do you want to raise their food prices?>He needs that regime in placeNot everyone in India is a farmer. Lower food prices are good for everyone and raise living standards so less people need to farm. Too many people are farming in india. This law would have reversed that and brought more industry to the country.>Sahel and the Congo.Some of the most state controlled places on earth. Why do you guys always do this shit? lol> and set up shopHow? Bribery? Being part of the state apparatus? How am I supposed to do that?Why don't you people ever talk about countries that actually liberalized and their successes?Countries in africa with the most success have the freest markets.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_economic_freedom
>>215476247>Fuck off.Cope.>It's FRONTIER territory. Irrelevant.> The old west was never meant to be that wayIrrelevant to them actually being anarchistic(which was my only point)I'm not even an anarchist btw.
>>215476268What's even your point then? It's state deigned "anarchism". Send your rowdy boys out into fringe territory you intend to settle later on. That's not anarchy, that's expansionism.>copenice argument faggtron
>>215464547>name a better systemN
>>215476254>they never actually liberalized anythingYes they did. In the 80s they did so and it led to the civil war which was exacerbated by mercs running amok and then again in the late 2010s which resulted in their economy collapsing to the point of them being one of the only countries to ever democratically elect hardline 20th century Marxist-Leninists to power.>Liberalization worked in MyanmarLMAO, they've been in a state of constant civil war and instability since WWII and are the universally considered the poor man of SEA even more than Cambodia. You seriously want to turn into them?>Poland, Taiwan, EstoniaLargely climbed out of poverty by getting substantial gibs from the U.S and EU. Not to mention they are small, homogenous countries full of people that are largely intelligent and have functional morals.>SingaporeSingapore is highly authoritarian mercantile city-state not unlike Venice or Genoa. It's my ideal city but that model does not work for bigger countries.>I don't know what to tell you manI'm an American living in Arizona retard, I live in just about the most "liberalized" place on the planet economically and it fucking sucks. It's a soulless, crime-ridden shithole with zero trust or cultural consensus beyond fucking people over.>Why do you want to raise their food prices?Because most people in your country make their living farming?>most state controlled places on earthHow can something that doesn't exist control anything?>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_economic_freedomYou're definitely a Jeet because you blindly believe Western establishment statistics produced by our institutions lol, I can tell you for a fact that HK and the UK are not "free economies" in any way whatsoever.
>>215463814>Samsung accounts for the majority of GDP>American poodles>Fake China>Rip off Japan>Highest suicide rate among developed countries>Lowest birth rate in the world>Plastic fake face>Gay shit music>Boring faggot slop>Radical feminism>Forced military conscription>Lots of cultsI don't think the capitalist system is entirely wrong, but in South, capitalism has undoubtedly combined with the worst aspects of Confucian culture to create the worst Korea.Those plastic faces would have been much better off as a Japanese colony or unified with North Korea.
holy fuck you losers are wasting your life
>>215476416>drop into thread>contribute nothing>state superiorityI can only wish my dick was as big as yours
>>215476416>you losers are wasting your lifeAnd what are you doing on a Mongolian basket weaving forum at one in the morning?
>>215476333>What's even your point then?to refute this point here: >>215476011That's all.>nice argumentYou had none.>>215476365>In the 80s they did so and it led to the civil walmao so they never had a functioning market if there was a destructive warProve they actually liberalized in any meaningful capacity.>state of constant civil war and instability since WWIIThey were a socialist shithole until they actually got rid of their socialist government and implemented SOME liberal reforms. They're doing a lot better than they were back then because socialism doesn't work. They're still not as wealthy now due to decades of socialism.>climbed out of poverty by getting substantial gibs fromCountless countries got gibs from USA. 99% of them remained poor shitholes.The difference is these countries liberalized and it worked.>small, homogenous countriesThey' have tens of millions of people lol and this is irrelevant anyway as we're discussing the economies of Myanmar and Sri Lanka.>Singapore is highly authoritarianThey're a one party state with economically liberal policies. We're discussing economics, not social matters.>It's my ideal cityWhy? They're extremely capitalist and it's been working? Shouldn't they be a shithole if they're capitalist?>I live in just about the most "liberalized"Are you literally retarded?Plenty of countries are more liberal than USA.America is only shitty now due to inflation(central banking) and government intervention.>Because most people in your country make their living farming?Which keeps them poor and trapped in an unindustrialized state. Why do you want people to starve?>How can something that doesn't exist control Their leaders are literally states.>statistics produced by our institutionsThese groups publish their own methodology. You can redo the studies yourself and would come up with very similar results.>UK You're right about that which is why I prefer the frasier version which puts them much lower
>>215476416>holy fuck you losers are wasting your lifeHonestly, you're right I have a mental disorder.Arguing politics on the internet has ruined my life but I can't stop.
>>215476489>use the old west and old ireland as an example of anarchism>point out big-man politics and expansionism as a counter point>>>ha, you had no argumentk
>>215476516>>point out big-man politics This isn't even true though. The burden of evidence is on you.>and expansionism as a counter pointIt's completely irrelevant.They existed as a stateless capitalist society.So the argument that capitalism can't exist without a state is obviously wrong.
>>215463814This movie made me hate poor people
>>215476528>This isn't even true though. The burden of evidence is on you.Look at any micro-island tribe for an example of what i mean. Some big man winds up as acting-government. Just because you don't have some western multi layer bureaucracy to run a group of people the size of a small town doesn't mean you have no government.>>215476528>It's completely irrelevant.>They existed as a stateless capitalist society.>So the argument that capitalism can't exist without a state is obviously wrong.That "stateless" old west society existed specifically because of the new-england government. The old west was the frontier of new-england. Like i said, when you're expanding territory, you send the rough necks out first to establish it, then you absorb it.
>>215476593>Look at any micro-island tribe for an example of what i mean.Yes, I know that can happen. What does this have to do with the examples I provided?Got any actual evidence this happened in those societies?Why don't you do your own research?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycentric_law>That "stateless" old west society existed specifically because of the new-england government.It existed because the American government DIDN'T intervene and let people just go out there and do their own thing.>then you absorb it.Again, irrelevant to my point.
>>215476489>they never had a functioning market if there was a destructive warThe "destructive war" SL found itself in from the 1980s to late 00s partially a result of the government's fiscal policies and was exacerbated by them.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._R._Jayewardene>They're doing a lot better than they were back then because socialism doesn't workSri Lanka is literally ruled by a Marxist-Leninst who rose to power campaigning against the austerity regimehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anura_Kumara_Dissanayakehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janatha_Vimukthi_Peramuna>these countries liberalized and it worked...because they had strong cultural and political institutions and lucked out with competent, moral leaders like Kaczyński and Ching-kuo. Plenty of American satellites "liberalized" with disastrous results, i.e 90s Russia and Nicaragua, the Philippines, Argentina now and under Menem, and countless other third world countries and regimes in LatAm and beyond.>tens of millions of people>Taiwan and EstoniaYou're in a country with nearly 1.5 billion people retard, what works in Taiwan and Estonia will not work in India.>They're extremely capitalist and it's been workingTalk about any of Singapore's "capitalist" housing policies here in the U.S or Europe and see just how fast it takes to be called a commie or a fascist.>Why do you want people to starveWhy do you want your country to make the same mistake Russia did 30 years ago?>Their leaders are literally statesIndian education
>>215476625>The "destructive war" SL found itself in from the 1980s to late 00s partially a result of the government's fiscal policies and was exacerbated by them.Any time there is a major change in economic policy, things can get worse before they get better. This happens many times in history. Unfortunately it looks like people there couldn't take the short term pain for long term pain so they blew it all up. Sad.>Sri Lanka is literally ruled by a Marxist-LeninstI was talking about Myanmar.>...because they had strong cultural and political institutions and lucked out with competent, moral leaders like Kaczyński and Ching-kuo.Actually I agree. You need strong leadership to oversee the liberalization.>90s RussiaThey barely liberalized. It's still heavily interventionist. If you want examples of post communist states that liberalized and it turned into a success, see Poland, Estonia and even Vietnam.>>Taiwan and EstoniaI mentioned poland, friend.>will not work in India.Why the fuck not? lmaoWhat the hell does size have to do with it?We all know socialist policies cause disaster, why wouldn't removing them be beneficial regardless of the population size?>housing policieskek you people always use this argument. Housing is one small aspect of their economy. Many third world countries have a similar policy and are still poor as shit.>Why do you want your country to make the same mistake Russia did 30 years ago?LMFAO so you think russia would be better off if they stayed communist? Their economy would be more inefficient than it is today.Why are the other ex-communist countries in Europe doing so much better?>Indian educationThey literally are. Warlord tribe leaders are states.
>>215476615>It existed because the American government DIDN'T intervene and let people just go out there and do their own thing.You're putting the cart before the horse. The average person isn't interested in moving out to a bunch of dirt to try and build civilization from the ground up. Hence why i said, you send the rough-necks. They're a bunch of drunken degenerates, but left to their own devices, they'll set up some basic foundation for society. Then civilization makes it way in, things settle down, more and more people move in.>Yes, I know that can happen. What does this have to do with the examples I provided?What do you think was going on in old ireland? It was big man politic. >linkWhat's your point?>>>"providers" of legal systems compete or overlap in a given jurisdiction, as opposed to monopolistic statutory law according to which there is a sole provider of lawYeah, one big man is competing against another for power.
>>215476625>90s RussiaAlso, they should have simply given the means of production to the workers as shares in the firms(like Rothbard wanted), instead they gave them all to oligarchs.>Argentina nowWow I missed this.LMAO Milei has been massively successful, what the hell are you talking about?Inflation radically fell and poverty fell. Rents went down etc.It was an utter disaster before Milei from years of socialist policy.There are only some problems right now because positive change won't happen overnight and he made some mistakes. But it's overall a positive thing.It's hilarious that countries that have been insanely liberal for many decades are extremely successful like Switzerland and you think those policies magically cause disaster?You have brain damage.
>>215476715>The average person isn't interested in moving out to a bunch of dirt to try and build civilization from the ground upWhat? Yes, yes they are and many people fucking did this. Are you just denying history at this point?There was mining, farming and fishing/hunting out there. People went out there to start a new life.>They're a bunch of drunken degenerates, but left to their own devices, they'll set up some basic foundation for society. Then civilization makes it way in, things settle down, more and more people move in.IRRELEVANT>It was big man politic.Source?It seems you REALLY want this to be true but have no evidence.>What's your point?Read the article. These systems existed historically.>one big man is competing against another for power.If "big man" doesn't have actual power and has to compete with many others then it's obviously not a monopoly on law, now is it?Also these "big men" were simply judges that people went to for arbitration.
>>215476701>I was talking about Myanmar.AHAAHAHH, lay off the ya Bba big guy. Burma is undisputably the worst place in Asia because of its horrific civil war. It's fitting you appreciate its "economic liberalization" as a Jeet given it's become the worldwide capital of wire fraud, drug, and human trafficking. It's the textbook "libertarian utopia would just be Somalia" example.>They barely liberalized.90s Russia literally sold off all the organs of the state barring security forces in backdoor deals to Jewish gangsters, they were literally the "night watchman state" and it just resulted in the whole country turning into irl Clockwork Orange. >What the hell does size have to do with it?You're a giant country with a trillion different ethnic, social, religious, and economic groups, not a geographically small homogenous Western or Confucian country with relative economic and social harmony. Do you not realize how much you sound like a utopian Marxist making these arguments?>you think russia would be better off if they stayed communistNo, but I think Russia is objectively in a better place now than they were in 1995; which is the reason why Russia still worships Putin and why Soviet nostalgia has become such a massive phenomenon.
>>215476731>Milei has been massively successfulAll he has done is turn Argentina into an American satellite state to where we're having to bail him out by the billions. The second the American money stops flowing the late 90s comes back to Argentina.
>>215476759>What? Yes, yes they are and many people fucking did this. Are you just denying history at this point?>There was mining, farming and fishing/hunting out there. People went out there to start a new life.I specifically mentioned those people though. They are in the minority, but there are your frontier types. Most people stayed home.>IRRELEVANTsee above>Source?>It seems you REALLY want this to be true but have no evidence.No, you're right, the irish were a bunch of fucking fairies running around hugging trees and having communal orgies.>If "big man" doesn't have actual power and has to compete with many others then it's obviously not a monopoly on law, now is it?What the fuck are you even on about? One power had a neighboring power that they had to compete with, therefore neither had power?>Also these "big men" were simply judges that people went to for arbitration.i.e. government. Your neighbor is being an annoying twat, you go to the court to arbitrate it. Government.
>>215476731>they should have simply given the means of production to the workers as shares in the firms(like Rothbard wanted)That's... partly how they did it? Ordinary workers were given shares in their factories during Russia's privatization, the problem was that you couldn't feed your family with those during the massive supply chain crisis the country inherited from late USSR. So those workers sold them off for a pittance and the rest is history, rigged auctions came a bit later.
>>215476835>AHAAHAHHSo you're laughing because YOU have shit reading comprehension skills? LOL>undisputably the worst place in AsiaMy only point is that they radically improved after socialism destroyed their country. This all took place in the 70s and 80s. I never said they were a libertarian paradise, only that they liberalized somewhat and it worked.>90s Russia literally sold off all the organs of the state barring security forces in backdoor deals to Jewish gangstersYeah, that's what economic liberalism is all about lmao>"night watchman state"That's not even close to what they were.>trillion different ethnic, social, religiousOkay? lolWhy wouldn't liberalization be an improvement over the socialist poverty they have been experiencing? None of what you say is relevant.>utopian MarxistYou mean yourself?>>215476849>American satellite stateLike Japan or South Korea? How is this a bad thing?>where we're having to bail him out by the billionsBecause they're dealing with debt from decades of socialism. Again these things don't fix themselves overnight.>>215476892>That's... partly how they did it?Is isn't though.They were sold off to oligarchs.
>>215465651>>>/a/ you fucking troon
>>215476885>They are in the minority,Yes, most people didn't go out west but many people did.Again, relevance?>see aboveRelevance?>the irish were a bunch of fucking fairies running around hugging trees and having communal orgies.Again, source?>One power had a neighboring power that they had to compete withThey only competed on legal systems. When two legal systems clashed, they brought them to court to come up with a compromise. It was generally non-violent.>i.e. government.A state is a monopoly on law. This was polycentric private law.
>>215464547national socialism
>>215475494>To achieve true communism, build one (1) communist country and convince the global working class to move there~Karl Marx
>>215476132Because Marxists unanimously agree with the French revolution, unlike right wingers who seethe about muh Terror
It was made by a retarded commie chink what do you expect? also afaik most people don't like his other movie.
>>215477022>people didn't flood out en masse to the western frontier>>um yes they did>no they didn't, it was a particular type of person>>well ok, but some didthanks>They only competed on legal systems. When two legal systems clashed, they brought them to court to come up with a compromise. It was generally non-violent.Most governments come to non-violent conclusions over disputes. Everyone remember that time two kings fought a war over some retarded shit, there's even a wiki page on it. No one remembers the 99 other times 2 kings just quietly settled things.>A state is a monopoly on law. This was polycentric private law.Within their "state", they did have the monopoly though. This is like saying the English court doesn't have a monopoly because the French court ruled different from them.
>>215476995>Is isn't though.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privatization_in_Russia#Voucher_privatization_(1992%E2%80%931994) . Do forgive me for linking wiki because finding an English source on a short notice would be a lot harder. Pretty much the entire population had these vouchers, they just couldn't do anything with them but sell and there was massive obfuscation going on regarding their value (famous saying was "Chubais promised two Volgas per voucher")
>>215476995>they radically improved after socialism destroyed their countryThe only thing that chnged was that they got a semi-functioning currency back and even that was short-lived and worthless because of the aforementioned wars, corruption, militarism, etc.Postwar Burma is the worst possible example anyone could use arguing in favor of their ideology, be it Ne Win's totalitarian rule, the 90s/00s dictatorship, Suu Kyi's interregnum, or the present-day regime. It's a completely dysfunctional shithole.>that's what economic liberalism is all aboutIt;s the inevitable end result. It's happening here in the U.S in real-time with people like Ellison, Musk, Gates, and Fink buying up and consolidating everything that moves (which is something that has happened under both red and blue rule here since at least the 70s btw).>That's not even close to what they were.De facto it was. Again, you're doing the "not real communism" meme again.>Why wouldn't liberalization be an improvement over the socialist poverty they have been experiencing? The fact that you think liberalism is the only solution and that their poverty is a direct result of "socialism" rather than far more complicated cultural, geographical, and ethnic reasons is why you're a retarded ideologue no different than the very "socialists" you mock.>You mean yourself?I'm not an economic ideologue, because economic ideologues always collapse due to placing orthodoxy over pragmatism.That's why heterodox, technocratic, non-ideological Singapore is the best-run economy in the world.>How is this a bad thing?Because the U.S isn't in the 50s or even the 80s, we're running out of gibs to gib and are ourselves falling into a sovereign debt crisis of our own.>debt from decades of socialismMilei is just the new Menem and you're too retarded to realize. He's not going to save Argentina nor will the Peronists/commies because that country is ran by con men peddling various strains of economic quackery since Peron.
>>215476530I hate everything, which is why I love the movie
>>215477129>The only thing that chnged was that they got a semi-functioning currency backand poverty decreasedthey were poor as shit under socialism>It's a completely dysfunctional shithole.They would be worse off if they kept the socialism.Even you know this.>It;s the inevitable end result. Why isn't it happening in Switzerland then?Why are the countries with the most liberalism having the most success with the least corruption?>It's happening here in the U.S Yes due to extreme government intervention(mainly central banking and government spending)>buying up and consolidating everything that movesWhere do you think they got the money? retard> Again, you're doing the "not real communism" meme again.holy fuck you are retarded, that's not an argument whatsoever.There are obviously degrees of economic freedom.Is your brain that fucking tiny you think countries can only be a binary of capitalism or socialism? LOL>The fact that you think liberalism is the only solutionEmpirical evidence shows that it is. I mean you can sit here and cope about it, but it's true.If it wasn't then countries on the top of the econ freedom list would be shitholes, but they're successful.>their poverty is a direct result of "socialism"It's not the only factor but a major one.>Singapore is the best-run economy in the world.It's funny that I mainly agree but you're too retarded to understand they are only that way due to economic liberalism.I thought you hated economic liberalism?You don't even know your own positions.>He's not going to save ArgentinaMaybe, but at least he's pushing the country in the right direction.I hope he succeeds.He's similar to Lee Kuan Yew, yet you praise Lee and hate Milei.Re-evaluate your ideology please.
>>215463814Why doesn't communism work so we can have a utopian society?
China is a successful communist society but its ignored by wokes because they forbid lgbt freaks
>>215477855What evils people pin on "capitalism" are all the worse on China. Ofc, people differ on whether they consider China capitalist or not based on where they stand in the Venn Diagram for "hate China" and "hate USA" with no real critical thought to economics.
>>215463814I don't know where you got this idea from, I can only assume that you never watched the movie.
>>215463814That really isn't the point of the movie and this is just what redditards think. >>215467324>>215467324The poor people were very obviously the bad guys and are largely divorced of any empathy or sympathy towards their victims. Only the son was halfway decent.
>>215477855Real communism was just boyfucker pedophilesThats why china and stalin are not real communism, they didnt rape boys like lenin
>>215463814still kino
>>215464445>In today's episode of "Capitalism can mean literally anything leftists want it to," it means, "disease."
>>215463814I dated a black girl who specifically said she liked this movie. She stole like 2 grand worth of cash from me but I shouldn’t have had that laying around anyways.
>>215463814Damn, that movie sounds correct.
>>215479429Sorry, chuddie. See this? This is what capitalism represents. And that's evil.
>>215463908they’re mid-revolt when they realize it’s bugs. that’s literally how they reach the food factory car.
/tv/ refuses to discuss this movie..
>>215475188>implyign it isn't
>>215463814capitalism is bad except other systems are worse
>>215464983Find what in any history book? What continental genocide am I looking up?
What could you have possibly done if you were in the poor family then?Keep studying so you can go to college then graduate then become a wageslave for megacorp?
