>>215474443
I like to think that the president citing a podcast 3 minutes before Chicago being nuked was intentionally a damning indictment, but I can't really trust that the writers were thinking about it in that way.

>>215474901
Probably trying to get at that even though every country has these infinitely complex systems designed around nuclear weapons when it comes to the application of them they're completely incomprehensible and that noone can prepare for nuclear war.

We've also just kinda moved on from nukes as a society for some reason even though every day we could destroy the world for nothing.

Idris going "wtf was that?!" when Jared kino Harris jumped was oddly funny

I swear to God, the people complaining about the lack of a decision being known are one of the most stupidest retarded motherfuckers I've ever witnessed in comment sections. How can you be so fucking blind to the point of the movie? The weakness in the ranks, the complexity of the situation, the emotional toll? The movie basically screams at you that the entire response is a shitstorm comprised of normally reasonable people at every turn walking like headless chickens, so do you really want clowns in there? That's it, yet retards go "where's the ending? what's the point if doesn't have an ending?" JFC

>>215475097
I really liked the movie. Kinda disappointing to see people turn on it because of the ending. Seems shallow.

>>215474950
I don't disagree with any of that. At the same time, there is nothing that can pragmatically be done. Unilateral disarmament is a fairy tale. All we can do is put our faith in MAD and hope the house of dynamite does not blow up.

>>215475097
people can try and intellectualise the plot for the ending but after seeing how shitty the CGI looked for the counter missile launch it's pretty obvious they didn't have the budget or the skill to make a bombed out chicago look real so they wrote around it.

>>215475153
until a country does get that golden window where they have the technology to actually win a nuclear war with little to no casualties while the enemy is completely destroyed.

>>215475120
I mean the movie has weak stuff going on. The lack of discussion about compromised systems through a cyber attack, the weak response by the US in depending on just two interceptors when the excuse is just "we need to save for more incoming missiles" (which implies "do you know this, motherfucker? do you really know there's more coming? Where's the fucking evidence saying this isn't just an accident?"), the lack of international talks (Russia/China direct links, instead of literally-who taking these calls). It has low points, but is not the ending, that was part of the point. Even though, if these people had just waited a little more they would've got an answer right in the credits, where you can hear some stuff.
Bigelow fucked up a bit here, but it wasn't in the ending. Retards everywhere

>>215475229
>Even though, if these people had just waited a little more they would've got an answer right in the credits, where you can hear some stuff.
I sat through it, and I definitely thought that was neat.

>>215475229
That was the point of the movie, people having no clue what's going on and acting like retards, in a situation where they cite protocol that is clearly nonsensical as dogma. An example is that older guy in the control room telling the president to nuke the shit out of the entire world just because of protocol.

Instead of doing all the logical things you mentioned, people just go "we can't trust anyone" and nuke everything when it really comes down to it.

This movie created this discussion.

>>215475484
I do have to say that I find it unbelievable there are no better systems in place to deter ICBMs. But maybe that is the reality.

>>215475484
The military believes that the best course of action is to nuke the world and stop them all before they can nuke us. Obviously, this is delusional, and many of our rival nations have the ability to detect our incoming missiles and send all of theirs in response. It is just dumb.

>>215475229
Completely agreed. Bigelow even makes the "running around like headless chickens" point so obvious, half of the scenes were made about supposedly important people walking or driving around with a phone in their hand to god knows where.

Where the fuck is everyone going? Stay in your fucking office and start a conference call with all world leaders goddammit.

>>215474443
Does anyone know if a air force pilot in a big enough aircraft could just suicide crash into it?

In reality, we would just nuke North Korea to hell and back. China and Russia wouldn't do anything unless we nuked them directly, and I think they would be willing to accept the destruction of North Korea for Chicago. If it ended up being some other nation that sent the nukes, well, it will become nuclear apocalypse anyway, and no one will mourn for NK to begin with.

>>215475545
>Obviously, this is delusional, and many of our rival nations have the ability to detect our incoming missiles and send all of theirs in response. It is just dumb.
Exactly. In that moment, POTUS should immediately have said to the general, "tell me, you fucking moron, with what certainty can you guarantee to me that we wouldn't miss a few silos, like 5? What about 20? What about nuclear submarines?".
The general was basically assuming there would be enough damage to completely stop enemy nations. It was completely suicidal.

>>215475571
Was meant for >>215475097

>>215474443
A house of blacked raw

>>215475633
People just don't know how to react and what to say if put on the spot and in high stress situations, so they make dumb stuff up that they deeply believe in when in any other scenario they normally wouldn't.

We are literally deer in headlights, it's a bug in our evolutionary programming.

Nuclear apocalypse world after we've dug all the easy to get resources out and used them already, when the possible survivors can't rebuild to a level equal to even hundreds of years ago and are waiting for the sun to swallow the earth sound existentially terrifying.

>>215475179
that's more a factor of the enemy's capabilities

>>215475579
You're thinking of sending Tom Cruise? He's a short king, it wouldn't work.

>>215475579
ICBMs are going as high as Mach 27, anon. No one can catch these fastbois

>>215475759
>as fast as

>>215475759
>No one can catch these fastbois
They know it's going to Chicago, could they just send in a bunch of aircrafts to potentially hit the ICBM and cause it to detonate/explode before reaching it's target?
I know it's a slim chance but I think it's better than just doing nothing

>>215475097
collapse of the american empire is inevitable and the clowns are a symptom not a cause

>>215475153
this is a ridiculous position because the main consequence of a multipolar world is every big player getting a stronger hold into its spheres of influence and less chance of a global war (and tensions resolved in proxy wars)

sorry you dont get to play world police when china invades taiwan, burgerman

>>215475820
AFAIK by reading stuff on the internet, which is jackshit reliable, the US has cutting-edge god-tier stuff to detect the launch, this signature is fuck easy to read for the mighty super toys you guys bankroll by throwing money like it grows on trees, but the moment the thing goes above orbit, it's next to impossible to stop it.

>>215475515
>I do have to say that I find it unbelievable there are no better systems in place to deter ICBMs.
you havent been paying much attention to ukraine or israel wars, didnt you?

>>215475932
>but the moment the thing goes above orbit, it's next to impossible to stop it.
So they can't get it when it reenters the atmosphere?

>>215475961
>ukraine
Russia wants to conquer not to annihilate the land
>israel
meme war

>>215475861
>collapse of the american empire is inevitable
Yes, 100 years from now, maybe, on caps and in a big billboard on the side of road, close to a sign that says "haha not yet". Don't be Zeihan, anon. Empires last, it's their thing. Neither the US nor China are going anywhere. Or Russia. Well, maybe Russia, since the country is run by worse thugs than everyone else.

>>215476020
>Well, maybe Russia, since the country is run by worse thugs than everyone else.
Everyone is ran by the same thugs

>>215475980
fucking retard, let me spell it for you: missiles are the new air supremacy
the whole NATO strategy of the last fifty years has been proven dated

>>215475963
It's not a single target. These days they carry multiple warheads and are able to do something that was unthinkable in the past: maneuvering. I'd say is probably very fucking hard given the short window you have to respond, but I'd say to do your own reading on this. If someone has the technology, it's probably the US, but all my reading told me is the ideally you want to catch them before they enter orbit. After this you are really close to FUBAR territory

>>215475925
I don't know what you are going on about. You are misinterpreting what I am saying.

>>215476020
t. one debt crisis away of disaster

>>215476176
nuclear MAD isnt an option in multipolar

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>>215475932
not exactly, terminal phase (coming back down) interception is what's nearly impossible because of the speeds + the warheads (the M in MIRV) splitting off. getting it in the middle of the ballistic arc in space is what modern interceptors are designed to do since it's the easiest, relatively speaking, place to try for it

>>215475097
it did have an ending. there is an explosion sound in the closing credits. clearly the nuke did hit chicago.

>>215476290
I said here >>215476097 that the reentry is where things get truly fucked up (because stuff like separation/deployment of warheads happens and maneuvering). Good to know that there's hope while during orbit, but I still doubt anyone could put much faith in that since they are going as fast as Mach 27 these days (Russia's Vanguard) and you may not be getting one, but a fucking bunch in a realistic scenario.

>>215476339
Kind of, you see, people want to see effects go boom boom. I mentioned what you say here though, that does happen, indeed: >>215475229.

>>215476346
yeah it's not intended to be able to completely stop a full exchange, but someone like north korea or iran or some other smaller state with a smaller arsenal going rogue. although defense that isn't 100% effective still forces an adversary to adjust their plans around it and task more missiles & warheads on targets to ensure a hit, meaning they aren't available for other targets and so on.
>Mach 27
that's the number for the reentry vehicle in its terminal phase, not its 'cruising' speed

>>215476359
ah yes, anons are mad because not everything was spoonfed for them

>>215475229
the entire film happens in 18 minutes. they acknowledged they had their radar system compromised, theyre obviously prioritizing a response first instead of trying to figure out how that happened. they launched 2 icbms and then after the 2nd failed, it went suborbital which then is almost impossible and a waste to try. they don't know if there are more missiles or if it was an accident, that is why they were gathering information shown in act 2. the president was at a basketball event, the russian president was unable to be reached, that's why they used the deputy nsa advisor and the north korean specialist. the talks took like 5 minutes out of the 18 minutes, half of it was going into the bunker. this is literally all in the movie and is quite obvious. it is supposed to show, no matter how much you prepare for it, you can't really prepare for it when it really happens because of how destructive and quick it is.

>>215476067
And drones are the new meme carnage factory. Forget artillery, that's old man's business. The new wars are stuff of jerks, lemme tell ya

>>215474443
a house of dynamite?! thats a lot of dynamite! i prefer the movie "a fistful of dynamite"

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>we don't know who has fired at us
Gutless, spineless decision. Pick a fucking
country and stop worrying about the streaming
viewing figures.

Jared's reaction at the odds of intercepting the missile was funny as fuck

>>215474443
I was thinking to myself
>would all these "high-level" people all be huffing and crying and talking nonsense in such a situation
and then I realized this is 2025 Americans we're seeing on screen. Absolute kino.

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>these people vote

>>215477828
Found the tweet he is replying to. A bunch of people complaining about the ending. Just nuke this fucking race to smithereens.
https://xcancel.com/DC_CalebR/status/1981781595150311678#m

Did anyone else notice the guy with the nuclear briefcase and a few others in the decision rooms had those little medals and icons on and were acting kind of weird? Like nodding at each other ect.

It made me think that they were behind it.

>>215478119
No. The only thing I found weird was that moment where the black guy gives something to the white guy in the first act when the latter is about to leave for that little situation room. Haven't noticed it in any other scene though.

https://i.imgur.com/SHzUCcE.jpeg (can't post images yet)

The movie rings as far as Chigurh saying: "If the rule you followed brought you to this, of what use was the rule?", just replace rule for plan or protocols. kek

Jared making kino memes for us. I bet he requested this personally. What a man.
https://i.imgur.com/NyB9ZNN.mp4

>>215475153
Nukes/MAD are clearly the reason that WWIII hasn't already happened. They've saved millions.

>>215478725
I'm sure turkeys spend the entire year thinking the same, then Thanksgiving arrives

>>215478119
Don't forget to take your meds. Timestamp?

Honestly the most surprising thing is that most of the radars and systems actually worked. If this happened for real the SBX would probably be at port or something.

>>215478205
>https://i.imgur.com/SHzUCcE.jpeg
I though it was some kind of Department token. Like, hey, we're going to die, keep our symbol alive
the weird part tho, was the rebecca's black was missing for a long time. Dude, just get the phones and get back
>>215474443
Idk who approved this, but the film is only the first act. Everything after that is just weak and filler.
Great, great initiative. Wrong execution

>>215479882
>Honestly the most surprising thing is that most of the radars and systems actually worked.
I guess you could make the case that all of them are important, but the one responsible to detect launch signatures was the only one to fail and is largely responsible for the whole plot.

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The movie lifts heavily from Annie Jacobsen's book, which I highly recommend reading

>>215480115
Villaneuve is set to direct an adaptation of that. I wanted to read it, even downloaded it, but then I read a bunch of comments of military people saying that the book makes some god awful mistake and she interviewed a bunch of retired people who don't know shit about fuck when it comes to modern tech
SAD

Imagine an RTS match after you've mined out all the resources, and there's been an all-in attack destroying all your production. Where do you go from there?

Bum ass Zoom meeting movie. They also repeatedly used a northern cardinal (lives 1000+ miles away) sound in the background of the Alaska scenes.

>>215480183
Either type all your base are belong to us or somebody set up us the bomb

>>215478119
>It made me think that they were behind it.
yeah all throughout the first third there was some weird tension around the staff, later on I just figured i was misreading stress from a difficult situation. I'm glad someone else thought this.

>>215480211
>northern cardinal (lives 1000+ miles away)
kek, it must be a constant irritation to actually know if the bird sounds in movies are accurate or not

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>Movie ends before impact and before President Donald Elba gives a command

Are you fucking kidding me? Just a confirmed detonation on the monitors would've been satisfactory.

If I was President I would just take the L and wait. Chicago has no strategic value, Pearl Harbour was worse. The international community would give you carte blanche anyway after getting nuked.

>>215474950
> they're completely incomprehensible and that noone can prepare for nuclear war
Yep, that’s certainly the retarded line that western propaganda has been spewing in this topic for several decades. Read Nuclear War Survival Skills.

>>215475097
Whilst not officially stated, it was clearly based on a retarded book that ended the same way.

>>215475229
You forgot
>nuclear explosions the entire population of a city instantly
As a casualty estimate. Also no talk about EMP, and if it’s the first shot of an all out attack why it isn’t an EMP, why it’s isn’t targeting the US command and control or silos etc.
Idris Elba was also terrible as usual and the idea of another nigger president with a niggress first lady seems a bit far fetched.

>>215475545
Correct, US nuclear policy has been to nuke everyone if it looks like they are going down, including allies.

>>215475759
Wut. Are you taking about MIRV’s terminal velocity?

>>215476020
Utterly delusional.

>>215475932
The missile in the movie did not go into orbit.

>>215475515
You believe in movies and TV way too much

>>215476097
Why are you discussing different weapons to what was used in the movie, in response to a question about the movie?

>>215480976
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avangard_(hypersonic_glide_vehicle)

>>215476529
> it went suborbital which then is almost impossible and a waste to try.
It was always suborbital, you are a retard and shouldn’t try to explain things to others.

>>215477227
> Forget artillery, that's old man's business.
Artillery remains the queen of battle.

>>215481000
I'm cuhrayzee, but I respect those trips.

>>215479882
Er no the launch was not detected.

>>215479929
It’s called a challenge coin.
>>215480115
Why? I briefly watched a podcast interview with her and she is clearly a retard. She even repeated the le nuclear winter hoax.

>>215481259
Anon said "most". Take your Adderall.

>>215481205
>yes, I am and I’m an ignoramus trying to explain things I don’t understand
Why not just say that?

>>215481315
Another fucking retard. He didn’t say the “surprising thing is that most systems worked.” He said “the most surprising thing…”
Take your own advice.

>>215481365
If you had continued reading, my dear,
>is that most of the radars and systems actually worked...

>>215481402
Yeah save the most important one kek

>>215481365
And take those pills and whatever sedative can calm your nerves.

>>215477333
>Pick a fucking country and stop worrying
This, they should just throw a dart at the map.
Lesotho?
Nuke'em, they had it coming.

>>215480115
in that book it was the Norks, but when the US launched a retaliatory strike, the Russians thought the US were aiming at them because the nukes had to fly over Russia (which they mentioned in the movie). But yeah it was almost a 1:1, which I found surprising. Wasn't Villeneuve gonna direct an adaptation? This Netlfix movie kind of sideswiped it

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>worst actress in Kenobi
>worst actress in this movie

holy shit why does she keep getting work

>>215481583
>Wasn't Villeneuve gonna direct an adaptation?
He said he wanted, possibly after Dune Messiah, but he has so many executives eyeing him

>>215481602
I thought she was great. Perfect portrayal of a double digit iq shaniqua incompetent in a senior role that she wouldn’t have in a sane world.

>>215475229
It’s based on a book that’s much better researched than your take. That doesn’t make it totally real, but it’s much more plausible than your copium.

>>215482501
The author of the book is a retard who repeats the nuclear winter hoax and whose sources were almost all long retired and very out of date. She also glows.

>>215476339
The nuke hitting Chicago was never in question, dumbass. The question is did Idris Elba launch nukes in response?

>>215475097
Yeah, it is pretty shocking. Kathryn Bigelow remains the undefeated midwit filter

GLOWIE Propaganda. Let me guess, bad Russians?

>>215483243
Russians are actually pretty reasonable

>>215482501
It's not based on Nuclear War.

>>215483091
He was about to launch something when he passed the code. You just don't know immediately through him if it was a localized or all-out

>>215483091
How did they know the warhead was nuclear and that it was armed? This wasn’t an all out strike or even a plausible first strike, there was no time pressure.

>>215484387
The whole pressure for the president to decide retaliation before impact is forced drama. Having the US nuke random countries based on no evidence would be counterproductive and even if they got the right guys the they would have been prepared for retaliation anyway.

>>215484387
There was time pressure even if just from the response spiral.
>>215484572
I think this is why I hated the ending. IRL we launch while it's in the air and DEFCON 1 should probably be when they launch the interceptor, not when they miss.

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>>215474443
They should have scienced the shit out of that motherfucker.

>>215485029
There was no time pressure whatsoever.

>>215480115
easily her shittiest book

Nukes are a psyop

>richest, most powerful country in the world
>spends trillions annually on military expenditure
>only has 100 interceptor nuclear missiles in case of a nuclear attack

>>215486746
Having 100 of something that doesn't work is pointless anyway.

>>215486746
after the soviets collapsed everyone thought they weren't needed and wasn't willing to spend the money on them, so they lost a decade and then had to slowly build the arsenal and tech back up with a much more limited budget in the 2000s

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>>215486746
Its almost impossible to shoot down hypersonic missiles.

Tomahawks are as quick as a passenger airliner.

>>215475581
This, lmao.

>>215475581
I would morn for the North Koreans. I don't see countries or nationalities as entity blobs, names to be scratched. Come on, man.

>>215477333
Because that's not the point. It could be anyone doing the nuking or being nuked. The point is that it's utterly pointless. The point is that these things happen because of people like you, always trying to point a finger, find an enemy, find what's different. And hate it.

>>215486746
Russia could just launch all their nuclear stockpile at the US and be done with it, before the US can retaliate they would be decimated.
Now this is a movie I would watch

>>215486669
>implying she has written books that were not shitty
[x]

>>215487158
No hypersonic missiles we’re in the movie

>>215474443
This is the Dr strangelove of our era

>>215487622
it's a crapshoot to shoot down ballistic missiles too, see the last attack on Israel by Iran

>>215486746
the reason we don't have 50,000 is because they are basically handmade prototypes. They barely work 10% of the time, or 50% in a perfect scenario

>>215474950
fun fact:
We went to defcon 3 a total of 3 times:
- once over Israel
- once over a tree we wanted to cut down
- once on 9/11
And we went to defcon 2 once during the Cuban missile crisis

>>215487622
But in the movie it's first detected around Guam and it reaches Chicago in 20 minutes

>>215475545
This is why we can't use more than two interceptors on the first missile

>>215475571
Europe is irrelevant until the radioactive dust clouds waft over. You're welcome.

>>215488166
No, it isn’t. See the last on israel by Iran. See the performance of aegis and other systems.

>>215475581
The Russian foreign minister basically said we could do this as long as we didn't utilize Russian airspace and our boy was like "nah fuck you we're doing ww3"

>>215488404
Wrong.

>>215488483
didn't they shoot like 25% of our global stockpile to try to target 16 missiles, and not report their success rate?

>>215485029
how do you go to defcon 1 without even knowing who your enemy is?

>>215488498
>we can't use boomers and b61s because... we just can't!

>>215488219
Thank you, Jake.

>>215488498
That was probably the weakest moment, like you don't need to fire minutemen and other silo based fuck the world shit to nuke norks or whatever, you can do it with good old bombers perfectly fine.

>>215488596
At the hypersonics? Yes. Ballistic missiles are much easier to shoot down, the only reason they started to fail to do that was target saturation and running out of supplies in country.

>>215488634
Defcon is a readiness/alert system. Are you really this thick? Nta btw

>>215488596
Yes, but you're talking to someone who thinks a Ukrainian grandma shot down a Russian cruise missile with a pickle jar.

>>215478119
skizo

>>215478119
no it was odd for sure especially after you hear the abrupt wtf!! and audio cut out of the SECDEF. my mind immediately went to there has to be something else at play, even though we eventually find out he just jumps on his own accord

ALSO
the NSA guy literally said if the DSP satellites didn't pick it up, it is likely a compromise from the inside.

So you're not schizo like these losers are saying you're adding all these things up and noticing

>>215488728
Watch it again. The Russian foreign minister gave a hypothetical that where the attack may be from China. B2s can't wipe out Russia and China. I don't even think they can overfly.

>>215488971
Reeves was sketchy as fuck too to be honest. My advice mr president? "Lets carpet everything that will show them", which is fucking stupid if only because you are already gave everyone ample time to be ready to retaliate on their own.

I'm still mad at the complete non-ending of this film
>THAT WAS THE POINT
>IT WAS ABOUT THE REACTION TO THE SCENARIO
Don't care. They gave me the opening to a story without even an attempt at fleshing it out, nevermind concluding it. This is what happens when "ideas guys" have their ideas adapted. You get nothingness like this
2 hours of a buildup to something happening that abruptly ends right as it's about to happen. Same shit as Leave the World Behind.
It should be illegal to make a film like this.

The point is that once the nuclear bomb hits, it is all over anyway. There is no reason to show the aftermath. We are done.

>>215489051
The point was nobody knew who did it, surrender or suicide is really the description of options there. I do believe most major nuclear havers will choose suicide though, but that is a good point to bring up.

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RIP Dever daugher :'(

>>215489172
That's not a story. It's a shitty lecture pretending to be a story.

>>215489208
Imagine if it turned out to not even be a nuke and was genuinely an accidental launch during a training exercise and she finds out the next day that her dad commit suicide over it

>>215474950
Yeah you posted this in earlier threads
> infinitely complex systems designed around nuclear weapons when it comes to the application of them they're completely incomprehensible and that noone can prepare for nuclear war.
Yeah that is probably the kind of retarded belief the film makers hold.
> though every day we could destroy the world for nothing.
Nope. You’re just stupid and easily propagandised.

>>215475097
The situation was incredibly simple. It was not a first strike from a nation state. There was no time pressure to do anything.

>>215475153
No. All you can do is put pressure on your government to put preparations in place to increase the survivability of nuclear war, and in the meantime take what steps you can. The first step is to get a copy of Nuclear War Survival Skills which is free as a pdf.

>>215489972
take your meds

the most unrealistic part was those goddamn stupid CAC readers not taking 40 fucking seconds to read my stupid fucking CAC card
iykyk

>>215488851
Nope. Keep seething and projecting over a topic you don’t even have a passing interest in though.

>>215489172
What’s it like? Having a low iq I mean. Is it bewildering and scary or are generally sort of comfortably numb and unphazed by most things?

>>215489208
She’s grown up since justified.

>>215490055
U mad?

>>215474443
Everyone was great in the movie, would have prefer a 90 minute real time format instead of watching the same thing 3 times, mostly to get more rebecca ferguson on screen and considering that you kind of know before the 30 minute mark that at least chicago gets nuked, good idea, terrible execution, just like the story

>>215490743
>i wish there was a story
>it had a good story

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>>215487817
Nah, the movie is good, 7.5/10, but not as fun and memeable than Dr Strangelove.

>>215489999
It was a scenario they probably haven't been thinking a lot, ergo the nonsensical response.
If you think the motherfuckers on that zoom call are going to be busting out game theory and Fermi estimates, then I have news for you:
The movie was realistic. Jake is the smartest guy you can expect to be in that zoom meeting.

>>215491227
It’s a scenario that has been discussed plenty and there are papers on it. A lone ballistic missile is not the action of a nation state. Simple as.

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>no girlboss moments
>no character has all the answers
>just people talking in rooms
>ending that lets you stew and soak it all in

absolute kino

>>215480115
Main difference is in the book, it was obvious that North Korea was the one who launched. They also launched more than one
>1 nuke to Washington DC (decapitation event)
>1 nuke over the US atmosphere to generate EMP
>1 nuke (SLBM) to a nuclear plant in California to create nuclear fallout

So the US had to respond; however the US response is seen by other countries as an attack on them so it escalates into global nuclear war. In the movie the US doesn't know who sent the nukes, which is the main problem.

>>215474443
Pentagon calls this movie highly inaccurate

>>215491889
Yeah the book also sounds very dumb too. One nuke wouldn’t be generate a wide enough emp for the entire US. At least it is a clear attack in that scenario though.

>>215491909
Yeah, we know, Heggseth and his sycophants wont let any women in a Command room.

>>215492098
>The MDA adds that Harris’s character’s 50 percent claim is based on earlier prototypes and today’s interceptors “have displayed a 100% accuracy rate in testing for more than a decade.”
bigelow bros...

FYI, the soundtrack during the end credits answers any question you may have regarding the ambiguity of the ending.

Also I would say the its likely a chinese backed nork attack. I am guessing the cyber ops to take out the satellite was chinese and the launch was a nork sub, just like the book they ripped off.

>>215478119
>>215478205
challenge coins. not sure exactly how they fit into the plot. maybe some autist analyzed it more.

>>215491227
The washington political class is not necessarily dumb, but they ARE waaaaayyy dumber than you would think and expect them to be.

Going to the right prep school is more important than ability and intelligence.

>>215492165
>Intercepting missiles at Mach 15 and above.
>100% accuracy.
You need 10 times more counter measures for each threat to get that 100%.

I bet the tests report are classified.

>>215492165
>We can't even stop pedophiles but trust us we CAN protect the country from nuclear missiles! 100%!
Nah.

>>215492325
honestly I wonder what the real strategy is.

In a full exchange, 50 interceptors is useless.
In a lone launch, it seems way more prudent to use as many interceptors as possible to prevent that. Your fucked anyway for a full exchange.

>>215474950
>every day we could destroy the world
False. Life finds a way. The Earth wouldn't crack nor would nuclear winter sterilize all life. It would be hardest times for sure

bigelow is glow adjacent. Is it predictive programming?

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>>215492165
>“have displayed a 100% accuracy rate in testing for more than a decade.”
lmao they can't even intercept the Iranian DIY hypersonics

>>215474443
Does Kathryn Bigelow get horny for the Federal Government or something?

>>215492462
In the book, north korea literally wins by being the strongest survivor.

nukes are a boomer meme

>>215492383
IIRC the GBI were literally made with this exact scenario in mind in the case of some shithole dictatorship like North Korea firing a few ballistics at the US.
So I'm not sure why they immediately disregard using the rest of them when saving them for a potential nuclear war is less than useless

>>215492597
Okay, so why can they do all that yet can't even release the Epstein files?

>>215480115
>>215486669
The book is faggy misery porn steeped in cold war tier boomer hysteria about nukes

>>215492597
launch window is slim. I dont think they disregarded using the rest of them, they just didnt launch enough at first. should have launched 6 instead of 2.

>>215492621
Not sure what a decades old missile program has to do with trump diddling kinds
Go back to /pol/ faggot

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>>215492480
>Does Kathryn Bigelow get horny for the Federal Government or something?
yes

>>215490633
seethe more retard

>>215492650
They theoretically shouldn't be afraid of subsequent strikes since they would instantly know who fired them and nuke them back so they definitely should've fired more

>>215492661
>more deflection
LOL you fucking retard

>>215490633
Maybe you should learn English before calling people low IQ.

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so you're telling me we should just glass North Korea before they try any funny shit?

>>215492684
>they would instantly know who fired them
You cant if the launcher is an undetected submarine in the middle of an ocean.

>>215492684
>should've fired more
For less than 5% failure at 61% chance of accuracy (I guess it's the number the Gnal said in the movie), you'd need at least 4 anti-missiles :

(1−0,61)×(1−0,61)×(1−0,61)×(1−0,61) = 0.0023 = 2.3% chance of failure

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The longer you think about the movie, the less it makes sense

Why do they have to make a decision in 2 min when Chicago goes up in flames anyway ? That city is by no means necessary to strike back, and they saved the other 48 interceptors to hold off future nukes anyway.
Just hours later they could have the answer of „who shot first“.

>>215491951
Yeah in the book there was a series of convoluted reasons why Russia thought that the US is nuking them. The movie sort of fixed that by making the assailant unknown, so the US is left with an impossible choice.

>>215492990
>You cant if the launcher is an undetected submarine in the middle of an ocean.
So nuke back the spot where the nuke got launched from ?

>>215492621
>>215492332
guy thinks the military industrial complex gives a fuck about revealing political sex scandals related to trafficking operations they have a hand in running, kek

>>215493067
I guess you didnt watch the movie...

>>215493041
I can't remember why but I was confused why the president orders an ICBM launch as well as a stray bomber strike.
It's just another one of the contrived things in the books that pisses me off

Testament is better
Deterrence is better

>>215493067
>So nuke back the spot where the nuke got launched from ?
- They dont know in this movie.
- Also a nuclear submarine can lurk undetected for months under water : You can go anywhere on the planet in the meantime.

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I liked the part where Rebecca Ferguson took her shoes and socks off

>>215492684
>shouldn't be afraid of subsequent strikes
The entire system on all sides is built under the presumption that any strike is going to have enough missiles to end the nation. Under this presumption, "retaliation" is total annihilation - in JFK's time "retaliation" was:
- nuke the entire Soviet Union, who fired at us
- nuke China just to be safe whether or not they did anything
- nuke the parts of present Eastern Europe that used to be part of the Soviet Union

We know 50 UGI's is not enough to protect all of America so I'm going to guess that the 50 UGIs are meant to destroy missiles that are targeting vital COG locations like Raven Rock and DC. And the enemy would know that, and would send more missiles to that location. The point here is that Camp Greely was expecting this kind of attack and their protocols would have been written to shoot 25 incoming missiles with 2 UGIs each. There cannot be any discretion in these kinds of procedures so they fired 2 because those were their standing orders.

Every president said "that is fucking crazy" and Nixon actually pared back the scope of the retaliation (probably removed nuking enemy allies).

>>215493094
>They're only incompetent when it comes to dealing with pedos but they're NOT incompetent at ANYTHING else! Promise!
Fucking moron

This is a movie with an ending that will anger most Netflix slop enjoyers. Kind of the wrong distributer for this sort of film. Favorite film of the year so far, although this year has been very lacking. I am hoping that we start getting the serious movies of the year in the next two months.

>>215492417
He's refering to human civ as a whole my jeetarded friend, though even in the even of total nuclear war we'd be thrown back several hundred years at worst

Certainly not anywhere near extinction level risks like during that volcano that blew up 100k years ago or whenever the fuck

>>215487365
This is good bait kek

>>215478723
>Man of shad.mp4

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>>215494817
I can finally post it.

>>215494090
>conflating military with normie bureaucracy
keep it down you're out of your depth

>>215492597
>In a full exchange, 50 interceptors is useless.
This. Only explanation is that they are going to use them all to protect the areas the politicians flee to and let the rest of the US get hit.

>>215495664
>conflating military with normie bureaucracy
Yes, and?

>>215475768
Lol esl

>>215496564
you're incredibly naive and should never be taken seriously on this topic is what
you're exactly the target to lap up this netflix slop

>>215474443
Propaganda garbage. "The chinese have a skynet that could hack our nuclear arsenal, North Korea could nuke us to save their regime" give me a fucking break. This shit exists to project an image of military and bureaucratic professionalism that just doesn't exist.

>>215474443
>the president is Obama

Making a movie like this while avoiding the giant elephant in the oval office is absurd.

>>215497153
The President is Idris Elba. Did you watch the movie?

>>215497189
Yeah exactly. The president in 2025 is not 'Famous Coolheaded Black Guy That Knows Beyonce'. Its fucking Donald Trump. You cannot just pretend that the government's response to a nuclear strike would be at all comparable.

>>215492643
These are weapon systems that we still have in place, that our government upkeeps & maintains on a daily basis. "Misery porn" implies it's fictional or that there's no chance of a misfire. It is *very* relevant, even today.

Those in charge are naturally self-preservation maximizing. They aren't going to want to spend their retirement in a self-sufficient bunker commanding the remains of the 5th-Faction Nuclear Winter Fed Recovery Squad after "winning" the game of global annihilation, even if it means taking the L on a major metropolitan area.

First, it makes no sense that they wouldn't know the origin, there's way more intel than a single satellite. In 2 minutes they would be threatening the country they know for sure sent it with complete destruction unless the missile is disarmed. If that isn't possible, then the entire international community would be behind a decisive end to that country, there would be no crazy escalation where nobody knows anything.

>>215497224
Holy filtered, the point was that no one, NO ONE is prepared to make that decision. It doesn't matter if the President is Not!Obama or Trump. You're asked to decide within 20 minutes (or less) whether hundreds of million people will die or not. It's an insane situation by all metrics. Didn't you see the part where POTUS calls his wife for advice? Everyone in the movie is desperate to seek affirmation from someone else because they're faced with an impossible choice.

The film shows that the decision making process is a joke and that no one can be prepared for a nuclear war.

>>215480115
>Annie
I don't read bad books sorry

>>215494924
this guy offs himself before even knowing chicago got hit or that his daughter is dead

So was nuke missile real or not? Did it detonate? I am retarded, please explain.

>>215497007
I don't think we watched the same film.

>>215498381
>Holy filtered, the point was that no one, NO ONE is prepared to make that decision.
you retard the people put into these positions of power have the answers to those scenarios implicitly. it's never some boardroom zoom call open ended zero forethought gotta call my wife retardation. you really think they pussyfoot around nuclear conflict? everyone involved is well-briefed and acts in a precise, predetermined way as soon as sufficient data is ascertained. that's why the film has to go through a billion hoops to pretend like the perpetrator can be obfuscated. in reality every top country is spying on each other constantly and it's laughable if you think even NK can thwart it by preventing spies and hardware. intelligence and foreknowledge are at the absolute top priority. this film is as clever as "you seem pretty healthy but what if a piano fell on your head then you got struck by lightning".

>>215499087
>everyone involved is well-briefed and acts in a precise, predetermined way
In real life, we have never had the chance to find out, actually.

the nuke is a metafor for sperm

This place truly is turning into Reddit 2.0 from the way people are defending this absolute trash. Just a heads-up, just because something is shot with an over-the-shoulder shaky camera doesn't make it realistic. There is 0 realism in this movie.

>>215499087
Yeah the chances that a country launches a strike and not a single blip is heard in the weeks preceding, and there is no way of knowing who fired it once it is fired, is extremely unrealistic and is a contrivance to add tension and uncertainty

If some foreign nation were planning what amounted to a suicide mission, there is no way that to the thousands of data points accessible to the five eyes international intelligence apparatus it would be business as usual before, during and after the strike to the point that nobody in the government has the slightest inkling of who it was.

>>215499117
>>215499087
>>215499489
I actually think that anon is right. Surely way back in the 40's or 50's there was some think tanks and intellectuals paid by the MIC to cook up hundreds of nuke scenarios and the psychology behind making such a decision and how to guide them. They would've gamed out that the sitting president or one in the future would probably be way too spooked to kill millions of people so it's likely there'd be people to persuade the president in that moment in some way.

they could've just asked japan or south korea for radar data to pinpoint the launch location

>>215474960
that was a blink and you'll miss it moment

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I've been burned by Oppenheimer (very shitty explosion) and now this film (NO EXPLOSION WHATSOEVER)

Cameron's not gonna blueball us right? He's supposed to direct that Hiroshima Nagasaki film

>>215474443
weapons and this movie retelling the same story 4 times is simply unacceptable. What happened to using your imagination to simply fill in any minor gaps in a movie.

>missile headed for chicago
do you even want to try shooting it down?

>>215492332
A whistleblower revealed a lot of email addresses at the pentagon were sharing cp. The pentagon said they would investigate, nothing further was said.

>>215492439
It’s to make people not want Iran to have a nuclear weapon and go to war over it. Even though there’s already a rogue state in the region with nukes that has threatened the US and used WMDs before.

>>215492681
>n-no u

>>215501541
kek

>>215474443
For me, it's the janny just noping out of the White House.

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>>215474443
Been a long time since I've seen so many brainlets filtered by a movie

>>215499571
Yes that think tank was (is) RAND.
And the people to persuade the President are the JCS but authority to launch has always been delegated to field commanders for the obvious problem of a potential decapitation strike.

all I can say is I'm glad we have a president in the Oval Office who wouldn't think twice about glassing the entire world, though I doubt he'd do it if was Chicago that was getting hit

>>215493098
>>215493233
>convenient plothole is convenient
Oh shut up…

>>215474443
2 > 1 > 3

I am not sure, but I think the podcast thing might be real. I think Dan Carlin might have said something to that effect in his history podcast when he talked about nukes.

>>215502254
Actually, Trump has a bit of a fixation about avoiding nuclear exchange. I think it might be because of the impact on real estate prices.

>>215493005

Well, the general at Stratcom keeps mentioning the window for retaliation is closing, but yeah, I don't follow how that's true.

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>>215502254
>>215502772
>believing he even has access to the codes

>>215502925
it isn't. they have no idea if it's a real warhead or a test of our defenses by a foreign entity. We failed to intercept so there is no chance of stopping it anyway. React if and when it blows up.

Bigelow is a hack.

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>>215494509
>He's refering to human civ as a whole
Yep, I had that in mind when I wrote Life uh finds a way.
In my opinion, it's quite some hubris to think we can cause total destruction of the planet. Humanity is still in its infancy

Do we really need Chicago?

The only realistic scene in the entire film is when the SecDef's daughter tells him to quit controlling her life.

>>215503059
Point Break and Strange Days were pretty good. everything since has been cringe, especially K-19 Widowmaker

It's odd that in the first segment when we only hear the president, he sounds a lot like Trump.

Trump sounds like Stringer Bell. Maybe that's why he's building a stairway that goes nowhere in the Ballroom. That didn't work out so well for Stringer.

>Israel and Iran immediately start bombing each other after the interceptor misses
kek

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you know the first time they change perspectives i was like 'oh this could be neat, sure', but but it all falls apart because the perspectives barely add any meaningful new information and all the characters are like
>muh steely resolve, but also hints of muh concern about muh family

should've done pic-related instead

>>215493991
You forgot
>nuke South America
>nuke Western Europe
>nuke the Middle East
US doctrine was the be king of what remained which not only meant nuking the second world but also the first and third

>>215498381
The decision making process is a joke in the movie because it is contrived. A single ballistic missile hitting Chicago is not an attack by a nation state. Simple as.
Also the idea of another nigger president after the disasters of Obama and Harris is laughable.

>>215503387
burgers invaded two countries because some planes flew into a couple of buildings, but i'm sure they'll be very chill when a major city gets nuked

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>>215503059

Oh, I still liked the film. I just needed a better reason for the need of a retaliation.

>>215483091
No, there were several things in question:
1. Was the nuke even real or just a cyberattack?
2. If the nuke was real then didn't detonate upon hitting Chicago
3. Did the president order a counter attack or not

These things weren't answered, and I wish at least 2 were answered (preferably the first 2, before the credits rolled). Otherwise I liked the movie.

>>215502925
Most of Russia, China and NK's land based nuclear missiles are launched from mobile trucks, which allow them to pack up and move around in remote areas of their countries. American satellites only have a limited time overhead before they orbit back around the planet and can't track these vehicles. If the satellites can't track the launch vehicles, American missiles can't accurately suppress them before they go off and launch their nukes.

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It's a movie where fucking nothing happens.

Just go watch "The Peacemaker", "Broken Arrow", "The Sum of All Fears", "An American Assassin" or something.

They are all much better than this shit.

>>215503840
The Army ADA crew in act 1 were able to pull up thermal imaging of the missile to see what phase of launch it was in before they fired the GBIs. I think the cyber attack question was everyone trying to figure out why the satellites failed to detect the launch.

Why the nuclear briefcase guy had such a psycho aura?

>>215475153
No, we have to disable enemy systems and strike first.

Imagine chilling on some shithole Pacific island dying of boredom, thinking this alarm is just another bullshit exercise and then you walk into the hangar and see nuclear warheads being loaded into your plane. I'd shart my flightsuit immediately.

>>215504230
>nuke being loaded by a single nappy-haired nigress.

movie lost me there.

There are far too many persons of color in this (admittedly) Netflix movie

>>215474443
Chicongo getting nuked... KINO AF

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>>215474950
>infinitely complex systems designed around nuclear weapons
The passcode was 00000000 to fire them

>>215489999
This is what made no sense
No other missiles coming in
>reeee we have to do something or we look weak
Have all the time in the world to do something

>>215503418
Never said they would be chill. I said the decision making process was contrived.

>>215503881
> American satellites only have a limited time overhead before they orbit back around the planet and can't track these vehicles. If the satellites can't track the launch vehicles, American missiles can't accurately suppress them before they go off and launch their nukes.
>what is geosynchronous orbit

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>>215487622
>20 mins to travel thousands of km's
>Not hypersonic

>>215504976
It said it was going 6kmph
it was an ICBM, so 6kmph in the stratosphere is gonna be 100s travelled miles per minute when eventually returning to the atmosphere.

>>215494924
Awful greenscreen, skipped.

>literally every second character is black
No thanks.

>>215504947
Oops, just looked it up and you're right, DSP satellites are all geosynchronous.
I'd imagine this could still present a problem for dealing with TELs and sub launches if the satellites are locked into specific regions, but I dunno, my only knowledge of spaceborne C4ISR comes from hooking up with space ops tech schoolers at Vandenberg when I was stationed there.

>>215474443
Dumbest waste of time zog movie. I want my time back.
It was full of plot holes. The missile was set to strike in 18 minutes yet this guy went golfing came back, took a zoom call, called his daughter. What the fuck.
They all ran around with no solution. A literal who, shows up to work late, and is speaking to the Russians as if he has any rank.

>>215505618
he was the deputy director of the NSA thrust into the chief acting director role. their job is global intelligence. in the event shit hits the fan, they'd be on the phones with their Russian counterparts.

why does palestine hate chicago?

In the milliseconds following the detonation of a one-megaton thermonuclear weapon above the Pentagon, temperatures reach 180 million degrees Fahrenheit, instantly carbonizing its 27,000 employees. "Ground zero is zeroed." The destruction then radiates outward. At one mile, Arlington National Cemetery and surrounding infrastructure are obliterated. At 2.5 miles, the clothes of 35,000 baseball fans at Nationals Park catch fire; they suffer third-degree burns, but MedStar Washington Hospital Center has only ten burn beds. One million people die within 90 seconds. The second stage begins when mega-fires ignite as gas lines rupture and chemical factories explode. Survivors shuffle through radioactive wasteland with ruptured lungs. No electricity, water, or first responders remain