Was Vietnam that bad?
yeah like 76% of soldiers were in active firefights
Pretty sure all war is pretty bad. Look at Russia/Ukraine right now. Do you want to be in that shit?
>>215488873Absolutely untrue.Also, John Rambo's military career makes no sense in any timeline. I will not elaborate.
>They used to have laws to stop you from freely travelling and working wherever you wantFricking disgusting and abuse of power. An absolute mockery of freedom.
>AAAHHH I MASSACRED VILLAGES AND NOW THEY CALL ME BABYKILLER NOOOOO
>>215488846No they just have to pretend it was worse than all other wars because they used niggers as soldiers and they all came back with heroin addictions and started raping and killing in America.
Yes, but guys like Rambo also deserved to get shit on. When they came back they were all fucked up and thought they had a right to take it out on everyone else. Anywhere they went was shitty. They'd beat their wives, kids, kill random people, a lot of biker gangs started from these goofballs and they were all about drugs and crime. Rambo himself couldn't stop thinking about killing people, which isnt someone decent people want to be around if they can help it.
>>215488955He didn't break no laws. He's a freeman. That cop should be saluting him.
>>215488979In small towns we trust our sheriff, what he says IS law. Rambo was in the wrong.
The M65 Field Jacket in OD Green is extreme kino.
In my country the vet clubs treat gulf and afghanistan vets like they didn't fight real wars
>>215488846>Was Vietnam that bad?No. It was worse. I got told about some fucked up shit by my step dad who was there. And he always seemed fucked up in the head.
Talkin bout killin? Yall experts?
>>215489027They didn't. They sent a bunch of sand niggers to Allah using vastly more advanced military technology. It was a turkey shoot.
>>215488995Best of bootlickers.
>>215488880I would be okay with war if I was on hitler's side. I would follow all of Hitler's orders and even die for him if necessary.
>>215489027The Vietnam vets were treated the same way, which is partially the basis for the book Rambo was based on.
>>215489071They still lost in Afghanistan to a bunch of goatherd sandniggers though.
>>215489099to be fair everyone who has ever invaded afghanistan has lost.
>>215489099Vietnam vets lost to the Vietnamese Do you have any idea how embarrassing that is These guys were like 4'3Americans dropped more ordinance in Vietnam than any war in history
>>215489091>b-but he can act however he wants and disturb regular people in their towns because he served the US government in Vietnamhow is that not bootlicking?
>>215489099the afghani pedo government that the US installed lost
>>215489134the K/D ratio of americans was like 100/1
>>215488846A humid sticky jungle full of swamps and critters and fighting guerillas with unconventional traps. Today's veterans usually fought other soldiers on paved roads
>>215489177Too bad it wasn't a deathmatch, the objective was to capture the enemy base.
>>215489177lol you still lost
>>215489141The movie doesn't have a real message because it's overly forgiving to Rambo. The setup literally is "mentally retarded zogbot malfunctions in small town". You can't put Rambo in the town and just have him snap for no reason though, no one would watch that in the 1980s. So there has to be some kind of retarded setup. The truth is, Teasle is right to be wary of Rambo, who is walking around aimlessly being all bug eyed and sweaty and obviously crazy in the head and shit. He wasn't stopped just for walking. He was stopped because he was obviously going to cause problems. And he did.
>>215489099They completely routed their army and took over the country. That's the exact opposite of losing.>>215489134We cannot lose in Vietnam. Try as we might. Though our Generals are so stupid, our strategy so poor, as to all but guarantee defeat... Though our morale is trampled in the deepest ditch, shot through with heroin and bitter failure... Though we face the toughest, bravest fighters in the world, strange little men with hearts like those of tigers... Though we make the world despise us... Though we do things that will stain our souls forever... Though America eats its own intestines over this, cities, riven with unrest, leaders inspiring loathing and distrust... We cannot lose. Because when we are gone — when the brave little fighters kick us out, and we finally lose all stomach for this wretched, knotted puzzle of a war — No one — in South East Asia, or anywhere on Earth, will look at what is left of Vietnam — And think it smart to fuck with the United States.
>>215489097Except Rambo was a villain and Teasle was the tragic hero
>>215489177Yeah by inflating their ratio with countless unarmed, unaffiliated, uninvolved women and children. So much so even the American soldiers themselves started being disgusted by it and turning on each other over it.
>>215489194fair point
>>215489197I didnt say the US didnt lose>>215489230the VC killed way more civilians than the americans
>>215489134America hasn't fought a proper war since WW2, too caught up in having "clean" conflicts or limited roles to "protect democracy". The objectives are flimsy, limited in scope and as a result they fail. Notice how up until the insurgency phase started, the US steamrolled the Iraqis in 2003 and it only took a month. Then they pussied out and got drawn into a never ending conflict with terrorist groups, again too worried about civilian casualties, "war crimes" and trying to support a corrupt government that can't even run a bath
>>215489134Tiny but clever
>>215488846I was in the shit. Let me put it this way OP. It wasn’t a picnic. Although, obviously, we did end up doing a lot of our eating outdoors.
>>215489096What makes you think that Hitler would give a fuck about you?
>>215488846Meh. I would have fucked shit up but I'm not a pussy.
>>215489129you're forgetting alexander anon>>215488846the invention of the helicopter means vietnam vets saw ~3x as much combat as your average ww2 vet. All the combat was in native territory where they'd had decades to prepare defenses and traps, and your allies are ethnically identical to your enemies and keep betraying you at every turn. Add the fact viet cong had 0 reservations against hiding in civilian populations and the fighting gets really complicated really quickly.
>>215489041What do you know about death?
>>215489194The north failed pretty spectacularly at that. They never won a major battle against American troops. They only won two years after US troops had left South Vietnam, and after having signed a peace deal, because the South Vietnamese government was utterly corrupt and incapable of defending itself.
>>215489209We'll never ever get a proper adaptation.
>>215489096Adolf Hitler was sent by his father to die for our sinsHitler is the true Christ and Messiah
>>215489494t. false flagging leftypol
it was a terrible clusterfuck fought with the dumbest 85 IQ white trash and black soldiers who were openly encouraged to commit war crimes
>>215489134>>215489197>LostYou're retarded
>>215489516>Go be Judaic somewhere else kid
I've seen Vietnam vet gatherings, they were all white trash boomers who did drugs and a lot of them were bikers and shit. Not at all like WW2 vets where it was basic normal guys who could be your next door neighbor.
>Vietnam was such a blunder by America, that all American media was about Vietnam at the timeNo one cares about Vietnam today.
>>215488903>Rambo enlisted in the U.S. Army at the age of 17, on August 6, 1964. After he graduated from Rangeford High School in 1965, his military service began in January 1966. Rambo was deployed to South Vietnam in September 1966. He returned to the U.S. in 1967 and began training with the U.S. Army Special Forces at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, under Colonel Samuel Trautman's tutelage.That’s a fairly standard amount of experience for the average size MACV-SOG operator I’d say? I mean I wouldn’t WANT to do two back-to-back tours in-country in that timeframe, but I could, easily.
>>215489091>bootlickerThe irony of this term, only actual propagandized retards throw still use it. You know you're about to hear some real stupid shit the second it drops.
>>215489400The Vietcong and the NVA must have been astonishingly incompetent, though. The US lost 20k men in Europe in the summer of 1944, but less than 50k to combat in Vietnam after fighting there for over a decade. And the north had every advantage, considering the US and other southern forces never even tried to invade the north, so North Vietnam could fight whatever guerilla war they wanted on their own terms.
>>215489584John Striker Meyer Bob ParsonsJohn L PlasterHenry L Thompson
It all started with Japan. With the success of that, we thought we could do Korea and Vietnam, as well. But nukes were off the table at that point in time. So, of course, we were pushed back.
Why do puppet governments always fall? If they were popular the people would support them?
>>215489584Richard Marcinko
>>215489695Like the current corrupt puppet regime in Vietnam controlled by China?
NIGGUH I'M IN UKRAAAINE
>>215488846He shouldn't have been out causing trouble by walking next to a road without his walking license.
>>215489721Vietnam has kicked China's ass before they aren't scared
>>215488846>go to another country to kill its citizens>get portrayed as the victim because PTSDwhite people are so demonic it's unreal
>>215489745>no human is illegal, so what if he's shooting heroin on the subway how does that affect you?
>>215488846>Was /stormfront/ that bad?
>>215489721Puppet governments are popular as long as the puppeteers are wealthy and successful.
>>215489584LBJ and McNamara just used the war as a testing ground for different weapon systems and a way of getting a bunch of white trash and blacks shot and therefore removed from the gene pool, they were never really that serious about winning it.
>>215489765gooks aint human
>>215489027Afghan vet here, I didn’t fight a real war
>>215489755Viet has kicked China and the US. They are some kinda superhuman asian who aren't cowed by either side of the Pacific.
>>215488846It was pretty shit. You got shot and blown up.
>>215489755You obviously suffer from Rice Dick Syndrome
>>215489446>because the South Vietnamese government was utterly corrupt and incapable of defending itselfThe final NVA offensive in 75 still might have been beaten off had Congress not voted to cut all further assistance to Saigon over Ford's objections.
VIETNAM FUCKING SHITS
Mao Zedong told the DRV leadership as late as 72 that he didn't believe they could win. In truth of course China didn't especially want them to win as they knew a unified Vietnam could become a regional power.
>>215488846For some
>>215489887based
>>215488846Vietnam not bad, but the US is.
>>215488846Just put "Fortunate Son" on repeat to experience it for yourself.
>>215488846Yeah, it was full of communists.
>>215488903>Absolutely untrue.Explain
>>215489820two butt plugs?
>>215488846I would've been fine in nam. I'm built different.
>>215488846It ain't nothing like Venezuela. Now that's some mean bush
>>215489584In WW2 at best you’d get few meth pills for no other reason than to cover few extra miles. In Vietnam you would get showed all kinds of drugs not to mention being swarmed by insects and being always with fever
>>215489584mcnamara intentionally sent the retards and society rejects so that's who you see coming home
>>215490801He was too young to have been selected for the positions he wound up in. He would've just been a regular retard grunt killing random people and doing drugs. He was still in his first term and under drinking age when he made it what was essentially the highest tier of operator possible. Even BUDs contract guys spend a few years doing shit on backup teams before they get to be on Team 6 or something.
I've done two tours in Afghanistan and never got the hype around being scared of war. To me, the battle is my element and I tore shit up every time I got into a firefight. Maybe Vietnam was bad for some but I wouldn't have minded the climate. It takes MEN to win wars and we just didn't have many like myself. I locked the fuck in every time I went into battle and made sure my enemies suffered for trying to kill me.
>>215488846Imagine sending your children to die in a jungle because you don't agree with another countries business practices
>>215491138>oh fuck! 3 kids and a dog are taking turns with 1 ak shooting at us from half a mile away! we need air support now!
>>215490787Average Vietnam people didn't give a fuck if their country was communism or capitalism. Those people still live like they're in the stone age.
>>215491138>>215491268~1.9 million US troops were deployed to Afghanistan, and 2,400 US troops were killed in Afghanistan, giving it a death rate of 126/100,000the United States itself has a death rate of 722/100,000Vietnam had a death rate of 2,148/100,000
>>215488846Yeah, it was fought by boomers so you can just imagine how awful.every interaction with any fellow soldier or with civilians was. They committed so many war crimes it was crazy
>>215488846Vietnam was the final nail in America's coffin so yes.
>>215491138The only time I ever felt scared was when we were driving around and shit just cause I always had worried about a random IED. But in an actual firefight I never felt fear, maybe it was just adrenaline or something but in a way I liked them cause I never felt so alive
>>215489544>you're retarded When a war ends with the words "fall of", and you are fleeing...
>>215491410>>ching dang ling, herro american!>GIMME YOUR HOUSE>but mistah GI, chang dong, my famiry->I WANNA BEACHFRONT CONDO AND A PIER FOR MUH BOAT>but, lang ding gong, the soil too wet for mirrion dorra condo->FUCKIN VC SUMBITCH >*tries to pull his .45*>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paxk_LPmdMI>*50 years later*>I LOST MUH LEG FOR YER FREEDOMS BOY, SHOW SOME GODDAMN RESPECT
>>215491476???the height of US power, influence, and prosperity relative to the rest of Earth occurred 20 years after the war in Vietnam.
>>215488955This would be true if they were volunteers but they weren't.
>>2154888464 was cool with the Burma thing exposing it and Stallone shot it there for real and almost caused a problem its soldiers nearby
>>215489134nice lampshade hat bro.
>>215488846In World War II the average age of the combat soldier was twenty-six. In Vietnam he was nineteen. https://youtu.be/0sajngb0W6I?si=gKwNogsjSLCAewqs
>>215488943Why are you pushing me, anon?
>>215491138>I've done two tours in Afghanistan>my enemies suffered for trying to kill meholy dissonance
>>215492012Fuck sandniggers
>>215492056Ew, why would you fuck a sandnigger?
>>215488846No, but western soldiers - especially American ones - are extremely mentally weak and can't stand up to the rigors of real combat even if they have overwhelming combined arms superiority. Vietnam was a series of skirmishers with at most a battalion sized force of light infantry units whose heaviest weapons consisted of some medium mortars and light machine guns while GIs who could call in 50 thousands tonnes of explosives in a minute still pissed and shit themselves because some dude was firing at them.Ken Burns Vietnam War documentary is absolute kino for exposing how weak Americans really are. All the American vets interviewed are crying pussies who are all like "I got shot at 6 times over a year and when I came home to my safe secure country and the greatest economic prosperity any generation in the history of mankind experienced I was so sad I put guns in my mouth but couldn't pull the trigger." Meanwhile the Vietnamese veterans are all "Yeah I started fighting at the age of 8 after the French executed my whole family, then I fought the Americans for 15 more years. My whole regiment got wiped out regularly by a million pounds of napalm but we knew we had to just man the fuck up and kill globohomo satanists which we gleefully did. Then we starved for 15 years after winning the war because the country was so devastated but it was all worth it because we're a half decent economy now and my kids can eat a bowl of rice everyday, I love life."
>>215489177Less than 50 years after the Vietnam War the USA went from being a space faring uncontested global empire with the largest economy in the world that made other nations quiver in fear with just a gaze to being an increasingly globally irrelevant Brasil Norde that couldn't even rescue astronauts from a collapsing space station and is getting dominated by China.But yeah, that kill death ratio sure was more important than winning the war!
>>215492153Boomers discussing wars strangely sound like zoomers playing CoD>SO WHAT YOU WON THE GAME I GOT TWO MORE KILLS THAN YOU BROOOO
>>215491138>grieving Afghani farmer whose whole family had just been killed by a careless artillery strike the day before fires a single round from his 120 year old bolt action rifle that splashes down 150 yards short of the platoon>American 'Warriors': "ALPHA WHISKEY BUTTPLUG TRANSRIGHTS ECHO SIERRA BBC 7 4 9ER THIS IS SHADOW NINJA SPARTAN 6-9 ACTUAL WE ARE TAKING HEAVY FIRE FROM THE BAD GUYS I SAY AGAIN WE ARE GETTING FUCKED UP BY A WHOLE GODDAMN DIVISION OF BADDIES WE NEED AN IMMEDIATE DUMP OF 600 MILLION DOLLARS OF TAXPAYER MONEY AT GRID REFERENCE 274944746383833373629293736373 GAYRIGHTS KEKOLD SIERRA NEVADA! TELL GHOSTMAN PALADIN 420 TO GIVE EM HELL FOR ISRAEL AND IF WE'RE STILL ALIVE TO WRITE OUR BOOKS AND START OUR CONSERVAKEK PODCASTS AFTER THIS CLUSTER FUCK I'LL BUY YOU BADASSES A COLD BUDLIGHT! SHADOW NINJA SPARTAN 6-9 ACTUAL OUT!">234 smart bombs, 17 cruise missiles, and 67000 40mm grenade rounds impact into a bunch of empty scrubland because the farmer left 10 minutes ago>Americans go home with get on disability because of their PTSD while they beat their fat wives and kids who were fathered by some hepatitis infected mystery meat loser their wife was banging while they were deployed
>>215489010ruined about a decade ago by milsurp redditors
>>215491107he's just that good
>>215492247>ERM YEAH WE'RE BEING BEATEN BY THE CHINESE WITHOUT THEM HAVING TO FIRE A SINGLE SHOT AND THE FUTURE INCLUDING SPACE COLONIZATION BELONGS TO THE EAST BUT UM ASCHUALLY WE DIDN'T LOSE AS MANY TROOPS AS WE KILLED IN ALL THOSE WARS WE LOST SO UM ASCHUALLY WE'RE PRETTY BASED AND STILL RELEVANT PROBLEM SNOWFLAKES?!
>>215488846Anytime I think about Vietnam I remember this vet who visited the family coffee shop everyday with a gravely damaged voice. Nicest guy ever. He was exposed to agent orange and had to cover his entire body in some medication 5 times a day just to stop its permanent effects. Vietnam had to be the single biggest mistake in US history after the establishment of the Fed, the Hart Cellar Act, and aiding the UK in WW2.
>>215488846Well it was yet another major fuck up in a long line of US major fuck upsIn fact its much easier to list the countries the US/CIA didnt try to fuck up as they have fucked up every single minor nation across South America, Asia, Middle East and Africa for over 100 years now. Almost all of the collapsing shortly after with the death of tens of thousands. Quite the rabbit hole and wild ride if you look into it, better than any movie.
>>215488846Vietnam was a pointless occupation to defeat an idea, communism, by terrorizing people with bombs and chemical weapons until they saw the light. It was waged by the same kind of wealthy liars that will soon start another conflict in South America to distract from Israel running our government through a child prostitution ring. Just be aware when American soldiers start coming home in body bags that their deaths will be even less meaningful than the poor bastards that died in Vietnam. At lease those guys got drafted, modern dumb fucks actually enlist to be murderers for the state.
there were more south korean troops in vietnam than american troops
>>215488846It’s probably the most horrific war any American has fought in.
>>215489041Vietnam war kino is lacking. The best film is still platoon.
>>215492435Fucking kek
>>215491920>urge to breakdance intensifies
>>215492435I hope I live long enough to see a satire of GWOT that uses dialogue like this.
>>215492085>forgets the ice cold SF motherfucker who loved war and was a stone killer
>>215491268Kek
>>215488926>used tolol
>>215488846No, it was pretty much that meme about chefs.
>>215492435truly it was kino
>>215493895SF don't count because they never see actual combat, they run around in the rear ambushing people.
>>215489660The improvements in medical technology and casualty evacuation between WWII and 'Nam are mind blowing. And then again by GWOT, where you had people who were blowed up, brains exposed, faces melted, and somehow lived because of modern treatment. Trauma care is one thing that advances like crazy during wartime.
>>215493956Ah yes, that's why Rambo was totally chill after all ambushes he did.
>>215492435oh yeah this is the good stuff
>>215488903He was based on Bo Gritz
>>215492539Nah, it's still cool.
>>215494033>Gritz began his military career when he enlisted in the Army on August 20, 1957, and attended Officer Candidate School (OCS). yeah nahThe Colonel, maybe. Rambo was enlisted, and somehow got to speedrun to SF. Irl SF guys are typically career guys who take about a decade to get to true Operator tier.
>>215494047nope, ruined.
>>215493765It's one of the most kino wars (for film). Platoon, Full Metal Jacket. Apocalypse Now
>>215492153What is this insane cope? The U.S. is indeed much worse off, but so is every other nation on Earth. Vietnam is a joke, and they lost their own civil war and let the government print infinity money all so they could just manufacture yard decorations for the U.S. anyways. Gracious China should have been number one fifty years ago, they have three times the population of the U.S., yet they still haven't caught up, half their population is still illiterate. Why aren't they doing better?!
>>215489096Millions of whites were sacrificed thanks to his retardedness, so much history was destroyed and was rewritten, helped elite Zionists send Jews to Palestine like they wanted and purged the weakest ones, and the ones that had integrated that didn't want to move and had rejected Jewishness, and made them look like victims helping them stablish themselves in very high positions of power. And yet there are retards like you who still would sacrifice themselves for him. What a shame.https://odysee.com/@exposinghitler:b/HITLER-DOCUMENTARY:2
>>215489134Kek at the seething mutts
>>215488846Vietnam veterans saw way more shit than WW2 vets did, also a lot didn’t get time to resettle the way soldiers of previous wars did. You just fucked off on some flight back to Kansas or wherever you were from
Nothing this fucking nutjob did made any fucking sense. No one hated Vietnam veterans or even hobos THIS much. Unironically, what the FUCK was his problem!?
>>215492435holy trvke
>>215496729Sheriff in a backwater bumfuck town. He literally had nothing better to do.
>>215492435It's funny because it's true. This is literally what we did at least 90% of the time when we took fire.
>>215488846Vietnam war movies1 Apocalypse Now2 Platoon3 Full Metal Jacket
>>215488846Yes, but My Lai was based.
>>215488873fpbp basically sortaIt was so bad that I felt it and I wasn't even there.
>>215488846Fighting and dying in some jungle while never seeing the enemy and knowing it was bullshit war with massive disapproval at home. It was bad.
>>215496864yeah my dad was a tunnel rat for the Air Force of all outfits.
>>215496729He's the male version of a Karen. Basically representing those power tripping manlets.
>>215496729Yeah, I never understood it. He goes from 0 to 120 cartoonishly evil in record time, it's fascinating to me how no one ever seems to point that out.
>>215492153The United States of America is the greatest country on Earth, specifically because of its geography. It has the water, climate and natural resources to completely isolate like 1600s Japan and maintain a modified but high standard of living. It doesn't need anyone else in the world, the opposite is true
>>215496864Apocolypse Now written all over it
>>215488979>He didn't break no lawsNice double negative saying he broke laws.
>>215496729Proto ACAB shit from Pedowood. Classic movie, I enjoyed it, but that's what it is.
>be a highly decorated war hero with a medal of honor>almost get killed by a bunch of inbred hillbilly small dick draft dodger sherrifs for walking trough townHe should have killed more people in that town, honestly fuck them
>>215488846I'm reading the book right now so I'm going to be that guy and say that in the book he was captured in December and was tortured and forced to do hard labor until he escaped and survived alone in the jungle until May. They used to stab and slice him with knives so that's why he flipped out when they tried to shave him
>>215490986
>>215496729They don't show it in the movie but he was a veteran of the Korean war and when he saw the American flag on Rambo's dirty jacket he got mad, plus in the books his wife left him when he told her that he wanted kids with her which made him angry, and in the book his real father dies when he was young and he's raised by a stepfather that's kind of an asshole which makes him more of an asshole. So when he sees Rambo it's too much for him and he lets his anger out not knowing that Rambo also has too much anger and is ready for a fight. It's the perfect disaster when the two of them meet
>aaaa these exotic teenage ricesluts trying to create a breeding harem with me I’m going insane
>>215498121>riceslutsU-uncle Ben...please don't touch me there...
>>215496729He really hated vagrants man
>>215492435
>was the war in jungle shithole bad, the same war burgers had some INSANE birthday "lottery" draft, because nobody would volunteer for man made horrors beyond comprehension
>>215492435kek
>>215488846It was the last war the media products could or would protest. Every war since then is good unless for taking potshots at the "opposite side".
>>215492435YesWasting the equivalent of ten years of Afghanistans GDP on an empty field, just because some infantryman got spooked is a mad flex We could have won if we really wanted to.
