Del Taco makes the monster completely innocent and Frankenstein the villain. Frankenstein even shoots Elizabeth trying to kill the monster and blames the monster. A character even says “you’re the real monster to him”.
>>215492323>Frankenstein was inspired to create the monster and murder women after reading what the Nazis did to the Jews during the holocaustHoly shit...
doesn't the monster kill a kid in the book?
>>215492393No.
>>215492408Yes he kills William
>>215492323>the monster is made of corpses instead of being a homunculus built out of a material frankenstien discoveredI sleep
>>215492408I just looked it up and he strangles Frankenstein's kid to death
>>215492486His brother
>>215492323His name is Ozymandias
>>215492424I forgot about him. Thought was talking him drowning a little girl
>>215492393amongst other innocent people, people really glaze over the fact that the captain at the end furiously rebukes the monster and says his entire sob story was just an excuse for an inherently evil nature
>>215492323Though there are certain changes that make it less violent and cruel, it does kill a number of sailors and hunters, so it’s a stretch to call it completely innocent
Just sounds like Incredible Hulk
>>215492569Those were just kills due to socioeconomic reasons
>>215492323>You were the real monster all along, Dr. Frankenstein!
when did Del Toro become such a huge faggot?my theory is that the success of Pan's Labyrinth put him in faggy hollywood circles and he caught the mind virus thensad that even talented, intelligent people often do not have the confidence and self respect to stand up to those fags
Le husband is Le bad guy Le husband gets Le cucked by the monster Taking advice from eggers
>>215492323>updated my journal
>>215492753Victor Frankenstein wasn’t married nor did the creature cuck anyone
>>215492358>Frankenstein>Stein>Creates Golemn to kill Germans specifically womenJews gonna Jew after all.
>>215492323well, the book is about the remose of the dr creating the monstertechnically, he is the real monster for playing to be god>>215492609hulk is dr jeckill and mr hyde
>>215492810Wasn't even a doctor.
>>215492323Is Young Frankenstein still the best Frankenstein movie?
>>215492820> hulk is dr jeckill and mr hydeIt’s both. Stan Lee took Frankenstein and Mr Hyde. .
>>215492609There’s a reason hulk was drawn with that hair
>>215492323>Frankenstein the villainSo just like the book?
>>215492947No the book is more nuancedHe abandons the creature and doesn’t take responsibility but he’s not abusing the monster and he doesn’t kill people and blame the monster for it
>>215493052Also his wife does not cuck him in the book
>>215492323Del Tortilla is an anti white hack so that checks out. Can't wait for all these subversive freaks to die
>>215493082That also didn’t happen in this film
*mogs you*
>>215493052Letting an innocent woman be executed for a murder he knows she didn’t commit was a bit of a cunt move
>>215493121What’s he going to say, “it was a monster a created but he’s gone now”
>>215492323Frankenstein won't have the same impact today as it did when it was written. Back then, it was extremely blasphemous to even consider trying to bring the dead back to life, while today, communists and Jews have largely turned people away from God in white societies.The bottom line is that the creature WAS innocent, and Frankenstein was a piece of shit for trying to play God.
>>215493140He could easily say it was someone else, he didn’t need to throw in that it was a creature he created
>>215492753At least eggers potrayed the woman as a fucked up bitch. The woman in this Del Taco's movie is the moral standpoint and forced feminism inserted (the book was already written by a woman)
>>215492937I like in Ang Lee’s movie The Hulk looks at his reflection in the water. Nice homage
>>215493164I disagree. Frankenstein has never been more relevant with the rise of AI and probably why we’re getting all these Frankenstein movies
>Elizabeth is a literally-me-for-foid-gooners libtard who falls in love with the creature and completely ruins the point of him demanding a companion because he is inherently unlovable by humanity and denied it by his creator>*turns to the camera* "Achkshually Victor, YOU'RE the Real Frankenstein's monster">Bodies stitched together and lighting to reanimate instead of ambiguous alchemical-style methods>Victor is actually happy with the creature at the beginning but grows to hate him because he's just redoing the disappointed father that he had, instead of the guilt and revelation of the horror of artificial life creation he had in the book>The creature has Wolverine tier regeneration powers for no reason other than cramming in some sort of death seeking metaphor, ruins his book ending of going to kill himself in grief after killing his maker>Despite getting somewhat eloquent, he still maintains zombie speaking style right up to the end>"I love you, son :)">"I forgive you, father :)">Ending has the creature looking at the sunrise deciding life is worth living ackshually ;^)There was some good stuff in here but man every single change they made from the book was so insanely grating. Just makes me want to read the book again, infinitely better>>215492790Kek'd
K having Joi ripped away from him in BR2049 is a better homage to the book than what happened in this
>>215493236He heals quickly after wounds in the novel as well
>>215493052>He abandons the creature and doesn’t take responsibilityAnd that's the entire fucking point. Victor was an uncaring and neglectful creator/father/god to the monster/the creature/Adam/whatever, he wasn't actively spiteful. Denying him a companion out of regret and fear was cruel, but not intentionally spiteful.
>>215493236She was sympathetic to the creature, not in love with it.And it’s a stretch to say it ends with him deciding life is worth living. Victor also didn’t say he loves it
>>215493361No shit Sherlock and that’s not what happens in the movie where he IS intentionally cruel and spiteful to his creation
>>215493419Pardon anon I was agreeing with you, I really disliked that change in the movie with how important it was in the book
>>215492323Can Nate get an Oscar nomination
>>215493453Sorry my bad
>>215492712Two pronged problem of Drumpf Psychosis and also getting high on your own supply (just like Tim Burton and Jim Jarmusch) his new movies are like parodies of his early work.>>215493164One of the understated aspects is the connection to Prometheus. Mary Shelley's husband, Percy, wrote a companion piece of sorts called Prometheus Unbound.
>>215492323The only good thing about this movie seems to be jacob elordi
>>215493601>One of the understated aspects is the connection to Prometheus.I don't know how understated it was back in the day given it was the subtitle of the novel, but they also beat you over the head with it here by having a character literally call Victor Prometheus as a bit of a playful jab
>>215492323After Nosferatu, i don't expect anything but subversive shit also>netflix
>>215493236>>Bodies stitched together and lighting to reanimate instead of ambiguous alchemical-style methodsThis is better. The book deals with a narrative of transition between ages. Victor is a lover of alchemy and those like Paracelsus in the book as a child. But he loses that as he ages and he discovers the limits of ancient magic. Instead gravitating to modern science like galvanism. A metanarrative in the book is the transition from ancient tales of ghouls and vampires and evil necromancer wizards, to a modern tale about new superhumans being created by evil necromancer scientists. The New Boss is the same as the Old Boss, but the world still shifts in a substantial way for it. Shelly lived a time of huge social change, but was drawing a deliberate transitionary throughline between the common gothic horror of her age, and the new scientific horror that was coming.
>>215492323>Dr. Frankenstein lets Mrs. Frankenstein name the monster Aiden and Dr. Frankenstein leaves the castle to buy pipe tobacco and never comes back and Mrs. Frankenstein convinces Aiden that he was really meant to be built as a woman so she has another scientist give Aiden tits and Aiden feels even more confused and grows to resent Mrs. Frankenstein and after Aiden has bottom surgery Aiden kills itself
>>215493650Back then they knew but nowadays most people don't have a classical style education.
i don't like how clean the creature looks, but there is a line about victor using some new stitching method that leaves nearly no scarring
>>215492323> Del Taco makes the monster completely innocent and Frankenstein the villain.Frankenstein is the villain. The monster isn’t innocent in the novel as others have already pointed out, murdering multiple people in his quest for vengeance against Victor. But even those are at least partially attributable to Victor for creating the Monster in the first place, against the laws of nature.The rest of those changes sound retarded, but Victor being the villain is a fair reading of the text.
>>215494530As >>215493361 said, Victor was neglectful and cruel in his haphazard creation of life and then instantly and harshly abandoning it, but the movie makes him straight up spiteful and covetous and basically just inserts Charles Dance playing Tywin again to make it a cycles of abuse metaphor that is much worse than the book
>>215494633Yeah, like I said, the rest of the changes sound dumb. Including how they make him the villain and especially outright saying “It’s you Victor! You were The Frankenstein’s Monster all along!”But actually portraying him as the villain isn’t a bad choice, and frankly probably the best reading of the book. Adapting him to be malicious and intentional instead of a tragic and negligent villain is retarded though.
>>215492712The movie really does seem like cucked out Netflix shit that lacks any of the subtlety of the book
>>215494949James Whale adaption is superior in every way even to the book. From using lightning to bring the monster to life, to the monsters iconic look. To the characters themselves. Frankenstein was just obsessed with creating life. And even after he brings the monster to life he doesn’t reject it. His mentor is the one that tells him what he did was an abomination and only after he kills the hunchback he rejects the monster. The monster is far better as a mute and in the follow up with a limited vocabulary. He’s just like big dumb scared animal. Neither good or bad.
There are like million adaptations of this book and none of them follows it closely. Who gives a fuck.
Why are modern writers so predictable?
>>215494949He's always been a villain, yes. But in current Hollywood terms that means that it is always turned into an over the top political toxic white male analogy.
Guatemalans are dangerous
>>215495347I like the best one.
>>215495316James Whale apparently lived pretty openly with his male partner. It was only actors who had to lie to the public about their personal lives. His 2 Frankenstein movies are the bible, nothing to improve. Run the gamut of emotions + tones, always classy + elegant "paean to the living condition" that even monsters long for the same things humans do. That's the LGBT coding.
>>215492393My understanding is that the [human] victims of the Creature are just Frankenstein's wife/sister and his brother. I think he might kill a dog or something too.Also I guess he probably kills Victor but it's been a while so I may be misremembering how the framing narrative ends.
>>215495697Victor dies because hes has hypothermia, the monster kills his wife for revenge.
>>215492393Yeah, and I think he kills a bunch more too.The book's monster is more Human both in his innocent moments and in his violent outbursts, which is the point. He is violent like how a child is violent.
>>215492712Some one didn't watch devils backbone
>>215495786My mistake. I thought I remembered both Victor and the Creature being out in the arctic at the end with the strong implication that the Creature was about to murder him. As I said, I don't remember the framing narrative as well.
>>215493164>Frankenstein won't have the same impact today as it did when it was written. Back then, it was extremely blasphemous to even consider trying to bring the dead back to life, while today, communists and Jews have largely turned people away from God in white societies.Creating life was one of the goals of alchemists since medieval era. You don't know shit about dick.
The Hulk was even better when he was like Whale’s Frankenstein. Jude a silent, rampaging monster who wasn’t good or bad. He just wanted to be left alone
>>215495843Its Ok I'm sure there's a version out, where what you describe happens.
>>215495843Did the book really had to be told as a series of flashbacks within flashbacks? Why the fuck is Victor recounting exact wording of letters from years ago and stories other people told him to a ship captain?
>>215495886Hulk is Jekyll and Mr Hyde. The green penis is too pussy to kill.
>>215492323Based. Normies are scum and should be treated as such. All hiding behind a veil of kindness and serving themselves while swallowing the mass delusion that's constantly being challenged by enlightened "monsters".
>>215492393Yep, he strangles a little boy to death for being related to Frankenstein.
>>215495854t. Jew
>>215495895Every horror short or novel back then is some letter within a letter within a letter, flashback. The big reveal is always the monster died and so did your father/uncle/brother.
>>215492323Del Taco does this in like every fucking movie waht did you expect lil nigga
It wouldn't even be hard to create an accurate adaptation of Frankenstein that gets an oscar/emmy, there is absolutely nothing convoluted about adapting the source material, nothing that would seem "too dated", why does literally everyone drop the ball with their ORIGINAL CONTENT DO NOT STEAL?
>>215496014you can't just adapt you must LE SUBVERT LE EXPECTATIONS
>>215495962>you know stuff about western civilisation>you must be a jew!Do you get sometimes bothered by how brown you are?
>>215495895It was what went for immersion back then.
>>215495854Alchemy was always considered edgy. Necromancy was extremely controversial.
>>215492323whats up with Guillermo del Taco "lately" ? so much anti men and anti white propaganda, from The Shape of Water, Crimson Peak, Cabinet of Curiosities and now Frankenstein>>215492393yes, he killed Frankenstein brother, cousin, friends and others
>>215492323>“you’re the real monsterGoing with that, are we?
>>215492891Always has been, followed closely by Son of Frankenstein because of Bela Lugosi
>>215496716And yet practiced by people like Albertus Magnus.
>>215492712He's always been like that.He has no sense of subtlety, Pan's Labyrinth is a massive outlier for some reason I've never been able to figure out. Maybe the producers, actors, perhaps a second unit director, just made a good movie about people without him while he was distracted with creature designs.
>>215495895It was a trend back then.The same way today horror and mystery stories are told via the narrative structure of a truecrime podcast. Also how in the early 00's it was a trend for found footage films, but today it's creepy-pastas. Environmental story telling type shit.
>>215492323Deep
Frankenstein was always the bad guy. His whole fucking story was about trying to play God, by not merely creating life but creating some superior form of it.This is why the monster is some 8 foot tall beast. He chose parts from the biggest people and mixed them together intending for them to be some ubermenschThis is also why even though the monster offers to leave the doctor alone and never see him again if he just creates a wife for the monster. The doctor ends up almost creating her, then thinking through what could happenThe main issue being that while the superior and nigh unkillable super strong monster may not be that big a deal on his own. His plan to settle in the middle of the Brazilian Amazon jungle with some monster wife would mean they’d end up reproducing and given enough time the world would be under siege by a whole race of these monster menThe monster may have some evil nature but he’s literally his father’s son. He doesn’t do anything he isn’t taught by his father or by his experiences with humans.This is why the original novel is called Frankenstein the Modern Prometheus, the whole stealing fire from the Gods motif. Also why literal fire plays a large role in scenes
>>215497400Why didn't Victor just not give the bride a womb? No womb, no babies. Monster can still rawdog it till the Sun goes out.
>>215497400>This is why the monster is some 8 foot tall beast. He chose parts from the biggest people and mixed them together intending for them to be some ubermenschHow to let everyone know you haven't read the book without directly saying you haven't read the book
>>215493858
>>215497440He does mention getting his parts from cementaries and butcher shops.
>>215496014This one was close to the book and people hated it. Only divergence was him resurrecting Elizabeth la Bride of Frankenstein
>>215492323Del Toro is absolutely dreadful when it comes to framing, directing actors, and writing. His entire career has been carried by other people’s art direction and designs.
>>215492424>Yes he kills WilliamHow can you Tell?
>>215497440Nigga you haven’t read the book. That’s exactly what Frankenstein describes doing
>>215497530>>215497806
too many plot changes from the book. was looking forward to seeing the monster kill elizabeth and shit like that but nooooo we have to turn it into more montster/femoid romance because this guy clearly has a thing for that shit
>>215497877Now that was some good shit
Am I paranoid or did a lot of the changes feel like they were designed to appeal to modern 'literature enjoying' (fantasy goonslop) women. Especially everything to do with Elizabeth.Maybe the casting should've made it clear enough
>>215493601Wasn't Shelley's Prometheus simply related to Aeschylus's Prometheus Bound..?
>>215492323Wow.
>>215492753Dracula is literally Anglosphere fear of being cucked by Eastern Euro GigaChads.
>>215498298Del Toro writes in a very “tropey” way that’s similar to fanfic and fanfic-adjacent writers, and on top of that he loves monsterfucking. This movie is basically his AO3 monsterfuck fanfic of Frankenstein.
>Okay Charles we need you to play Tywin for the 5th time
>>215498646If you're good at something may as well milk it.
>>215492424Justine kills Will. The monster just takes the fall so as not to ruin Justine's reputation. But only to spare Victor's feelings.
>>215493236How the fuck were those changes allowed? Jesus
>being of unfathomable ugliness >cast a giga chad and give him some scars or something
>>215498721>also have the female lead fall in love with himDel Toro you've done it again
>>215497589I liked it. My only gripe with it was the whole death of William and Justine's execution felt like it was an afterthought. Like he wasn't interested in filming it at all and just wanted to get it out of the way as quickly as possible.
>>215492323Isn't that the whole point of the story?
>>215498721>>215498731Our Neighbor Totoro just likes to make monster fetish porn disguised as feature length movies
>its an alternative depictionOnly one alternate Frankenstein for me
>>215492323>Del Taco makes the monster completely innocentWell duh, what did you expect from Del Taco?
If he's from Mexico why is he white
>>215498932There are white people in Mexico like how there are white people in America
>>215498781Pretty based NGL.
