>Population has magic and sorcerers>Somehow they're still stuck in the medieval ages and the majority of the population are peasants.
>>215503687Yes?
>>215503687On the other end of the spectrum you have slop like Frieren which is a medieval fantasy but has desserts and burgers that looks straight out of a Tokyo cafe
>>215503697How does the presence of magic not progress society at all?
>>215503687the lack of development in the fantasy genre always mistified me. you mean to tell me humans have been stuck in the middle ages for 500,000 years and no one invented penecillin or gunpowder?
>>215503687>Wizards are god kings because they keep peasants illiterate and hammer down on any technological advancementsI'd do the same in their shoes.
>>215503764If you can solve all your problems with magic where is the need for invention?
>>215503687they're taking the piss with this shit, right?
Reminder that wizards get their magical powers by drinking semen and getting anally fucked by Satan.
>>215503687Anything "starring" Michelle Yeoh is guaranteed to be shit.
>>215503829I thought wizards get magical powers by being virgins at 40
Magitech settings are a thing
>>215503838the most braindead shit i've read all day
>>215503687i could take pictures of a hundred police shows that would be indistinguishable, what's their point?
>>215504172Stop playing stupid
>>215503829I thought it was kissing the demon's "lower mouth"
>>215503687>Population has gunpowder, advanced multi layered agriculture, complex water management, compass, printing press, rudimentary mass manufacturing, and borderline near industrialization>Population is still 95% peasants that eat eachother during a civil warThat was China for 500 years
>>215503687because urban fantasy looks gay and medieval fantasy has already printed untold gazillions
>>215504193>genre show looks like genrestill not getting it
>>215504372>pretending to be retarded
>>215504341That was Europe until the 20th century.>Europe is not a countryThere's less cultural differences between the countries of Europe than there are amongst the Chinese.
>>215503770What major fantasy worlds have been stuck in the medieval age for 500,000 years? LoTR has humans as a relatively new addition to middle earth and they advanced in technology far quicker than our own civilizations. ASOIAF basically outlines historical technological progression and loss through the ages and seems pretty consistent. Yes if the world buildings shit it won't make sense, but the best fantasy worlds tend to not have this problem.
>>215504406Quiet burger.
>>215503764Gatekeep gatekeep gatekeep.
>>215503764because the wizards keep it for themselves.
>>215503750So long as Fern is happy and meaty.
>>215503764Wizards are interested in magic. They are not interested in the welfare of peasants because they are ignorant and full of lice.
>>215504172Police shows are attempting to be realistic, and because most US police have similar uniforms and kit it would make sense all police shows would look the same. The purpose of fantasy is to make creative new worlds, yet recently all fantasy shows are completely unimaginative. The fact that all these shows look the same is a sign that they're probably unimaginative. Think of how different Star Wars, Star Trek, Starship Troopers, The Expanse, and Raised by Wolves all look from each other. If science fiction media can be imaginative why can't Fantasy ?
>>215504406by early 19th century primary production employment (agriculture) was already below 40% in England. That's lower than India today.
>>215504437That is 1000% a chink.
>>215504406I was considering saying Europe but I thought China was a better example. The technological advancements of Europe after the 1300s genuinely did raise living standards for peasants and saw more people in the cities. Crop rotation raised the amount of food that could be made. More people in the cities compounded more development. Europe wasn't a medieval shithole until the Industrial revolution. It gradually got better for everyone -especially peasants- for the entire early modern period. Caravels opened Europeans to the entire world. Advancements in pre-industrial manufacturing made goods gradually more accessible. Whenever there was a ground breaking technology in Europe, within a hundred years it benefitted most people. China on the other hand made various important scientific inventions, while their rural population lived the exact same until the Great Leap Forward.
>>215503814It’s Netflix. You know what it’s for.
>>215504721Understandable, I was looking at the warlike scope where Europeans refined killing each other to the point the rest of the world (bar Japan) couldnt keep up.Another good example, Japan. They had the same advancements Europe had but condensed it to less than a century.I always wondered how Japan managed to modernise so quickly, while India and China didnt. Despite both having 1000x more resources.
>>215504406During the 2nd Opium War in the 1850s 30 million died and had to eat eachother in cities. This wasn't even limited to one war, China basically had this happen every hundred years. The European famines past 1400 were relatively localised and due almost entirely to purposeful poor management or extenuating circumstances that even today we couldnt fix. For instance the Irish potato famine was quite literally the fault of poor management. Potatoes failing would not have caused famine if Ireland's food supply was not strictly controlled by British landlords. Ireland was still exporting food during the famine. Similarly the great Swedish famine of 1868 was due to a year so cold that most areas of Sweden literally did not have enough time to even harvest one crop. The majority of Europe's famines deaths have actually been due to changes in climate from volcanism or other factors, that just made it too cold to grow food. Even today if this happened millions of people in the third world would certainly starve. The Chinese on the other hand would regularly have famines in an almost cyclical nature, due to their overreliance on rice
>>215505006Europe certainly did become the preeminent civilization because of their military competitiveness. The North American natives almost assuredly had more productive agricultural practices than Europe, but their military technology was literally thousands of years behind. That being said Europe definitely went through the most broad scope of scientific advancement of any continent. Another thing to consider is that European military technology probably long term improved the lives of the lay people. The infantry revolution of the 1400s and the introduction of field guns gradually put military power back into the peoples hands. It also led to the collapse of feudalism. No feudal lord could muster thousands of troops and regiments of artillery only an organised state could. Once heavy cavalry become obsolete, and pike squares gained relevance, and the mass adoption of firearms there was a massive need for armies with uniform regulations, kit, training, and tactics. Conscript armies that recieved wages were far more efficient than levies that payed a tax with military service. It also meant you could have a permanent professional military. However that being said feudalism, despite being obsolete from these advances, is fundamentally what drove the need for these developments. An empire like China or relatively stable Indian princely states has no need for military innovation. Even then Indias military innovations came from Afghan invaders, not domestic means. Japan was the only other civilization to have feudalism similar to Europe. Japan was basically organised like the HRE with a powerless emperor and feudal lords who warred with eachother, and drove the necessity for innovation. However because the Emperor never lost de jure power it became relatively seamless to progress from feudalism to absolutism when the Japanese saw the writing on the wall that shogunism and isolationism were untenable.
>>215504021> The witcher: Blood origin is good because michelle yeoh
>>215503750>fantasy setting has burgers>entertainment value skyrockets
>>215505337Thank you for the explaination. Japan's gigantic leap was always a mistery to me.That said China do have extended periods of warring feudalism and their own "shogunate", but I guess they didnt have it when they needed it like Europe and Japan did.One could say being ressource poor like Europe and Japan, but also technologically advanced enough kinda forced them to be sharp and efficient in their wars.
>>215503764you are truly autistic
>>215505337ContOnce the Meiji restoration happened, all of the necessary political, economic, and social building blocks were in place for rapid industrialization. It also helped that Japan was basically the only Asian nation that did not mistrust European inventions long enough to be colonised. Infact once the shogunate ended, they rapidly became technophiles and adopted as much as they could from the Europeans. They styled, their companies like Europeans, they styled their army like the Prussians, their navy like the British, and their constitution like the the Austrians. It helped that Emperor Meiji was in charge and guided all of this to happen as well. Japan didn't have an ego. They knew they were behind and tried their best to catch up. The Chinese thought they were superior until the first opium war, and then it was too late. China always thought of themselves as the most advanced important civilization in the world and for most of human history that's been true. It gave them a false sense of confidence and lead to hubris. India will never be as advanced as Europe or China. Their social norms literally discourage advancement of the lower classes. Unless Indians change being Indian they will only be able to slowly copy and adopt, never innovate like others.
>>215503764Magic is science if you striped out the engineering and assembly line for learning it like a craft. It would naturally concentrate it.The irony is the world of the Witcher seems not to have this problem and technology actually does advance there; but Netflix doesn't care and Witcher: Blood Origin depicts the Aen Sedihe culturally and scientifically indistinguishable from the Northern Kingdoms millennia later.
>>215505416One of the nicest things about America is being able to casually trade burgers with acquaintances or sometimes even strangers. In a lot of ways the culture is so atomized, but there are also these moments of warmth that peek through.
>>215503764>How does the presence of magic not progress society at all?Best I can picture is a system of wizards working as telegraphs that shorten communication distances. Other than that, why would a guy that can roast a guy with a snap of their fingers "progress society"?Also, magic users are often a privileged class which would probably not look kindly to be treated as breathing telegraphs. Sometimes, magic users are a persecuted class in those fantasy settings, so it is even less likely for them to contribute to socioeconomic advancement.
>>215503687yes because they are still supposed to be rare and mythical.
>>215503687>population has blacks and hasn't advanced beyond basic agricultureno shit
>>215505627I always have a spare burger on me in case I cross path with a wild American. Yeah I live on the other side of the planet but you may never know, since they own earth and all that.
>>215503764No sense of right and wrong.
>>215503764That's an interesting question. Magic could provide a boost to productivity in certain areas, but as others said wizards aren't interested much in using it to this end. More importantly though, it's a one time productivity boost - it can't snowball like we saw with the Industrial Revolution. In fact I'd argue that most magic I've seen on TV could have no major role in industrializing society.
>Population has magic and sorcerers>they decide to be non-whiteyikes
>>215504253>I told them that kissing my butthole will grant them magic powers as a joke, haha
>>215503687It's amazing how ugly and degenerate most actors are these days. Those things look like low tier cosplayers, and none of them look like they belong or would even survive in a fantasy or medieval setting.
I always thought it would be neat to do a fantasy story in a 20s/30s/40s era. So magic + mechanized warfare, with magical tanks and planes and battleships. But I could never come up with a story for it
>isolated medieval fantasy village>population is racially diverse>filled with ethnically ambiguous people of all shapes and sizes
>>215503862Does this take place in India?
>>215506094Industrialization of magic would only work if the wizards found a way to mass produce easy to use scrolls. But it wouldn't be in their own interest to spread the use of magic to commoners, so there's no reason why they would want to do that. Except maybe for money but who needs money when you can cast pyroclast.
>>215503862>a thingI've always hated this fucking phrase and it just refuses to die
>>215507031impotent seething is still a thing
>>215506144I'm really into Overlord so my similar idea is more that as technology advanced people stopped training their bodies and practicing magic but as tech plateaud people started trying to be RPG party guys again
>>215506144Literally, Youjo Senki.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOYzB3Qa9DE&list=RDhOYzB3Qa9DE&start_radio=1
>>215503687Modern libshit fantasy is so awful and bland it makes those bad 80s Sword & Sorcery movies rise up in quality simply for being more creative and visually nicer. Even if most of them were ripping off Conan.
>>215503750>>215504458
>>215506547All it would take is a single ruler to offer protection or incentive for military applications and you immediately have an arms race - if somehow everyone else ignores this you have an Empire rising unopposed. Where power and wealth would be constantly fought over using said magical capabilities.Case in point, there is a story from Rome, 1800 or so years ago where a man presented the Emperor with a clear bowl that did not shatter or crack or break even when thrown to the ground with purpose. The Emperor, fearing the financial and then social upheaval of the very large and critical industry of glass making within the Empire, summarily had the man killed and all his works and writings destroyed.We do not know what he had made but it is described to have the same properties as plastic.On the other hand we have greek fire which was such a successfully guarded secret we can only guess and approximate what it was, despite it being used openly and regularly but ultimately we have no idea how it was made.Or the third option, where, Roman concrete while marvellous - is too porous for our superior modern version that has steel rods inside to produce incomparable levels of strength at the cost of durability of Roman concrete. The Roman version fell out of use and over time was also lost but was not 'forgotten' due to some calamity but the banality of the cost being absurd. Most of Rome's mega projects were privately funded. Without patrician families with mega estates and control of half of Europe no one could afford to build anything grandiose (on par with Rome) for millennia.Particular applications of magic could suffer all of these fates and go through dormant phases of use until a renaissance, especially if the ruling people were deposed or crumbled like Rome did. Again, no one could fathom the world becoming what it was in the 6th century A.D, in the 3rd. At least not anyone living within the borders of Rome.
>>215507211How does it work though?>>215507074My idea was to have it revolve around some magical ore that can be found in nature, then has to be refined and infused into enchanted objects to give them properties.
>>215503687What's the first screen from?
>>215505844This is why I like Warhammer's (Fantasy Battles) take on magic. Predatory beings from the realm the power comes from are a serious problem and there is no magic bullet, no pun intended. It puts an encompassing risk and restriction on what is otherwise pure imagination brought into reality and therefore any limits imposed without the serious threat of daemonic activity is arbitrary. Someone, at some point, would just break whatever taboo or be particularly more of a mana battery and outcompete all the other 'mages' without resistance.
>>215507452don't forget hero's engine, the steam engine invented in ancient rome over 2000 years ago, but large scale application wasn't deemed worthwhile because of all the slaves that needed to be worked.
>>215507546the new witcher season
>>215503764It kind of depends if in the setting magic is an innate ability or something anyone can learn. Fuck, maybe not. It depends on if magic is easy to learn. Since magic does really depend on the ability to read and write an illiterate population would have no means to integrate magic into their every day lives. So magic would be relegated to the upper class or professions serving almost exclusively the upper class due to it's rarity or high level requirement for entry.
>>215503750Why not use magic and sorcery to make burgers?
>>215503687American media always portrays a multiracial gang of heroes taking on an enemy that is typically White and/or homogenous. The mythology around civil rights is part of the American Empire's propaganda war on the people they seek to rule over.
>>215507490More or less children start being born with magic affinity, but it requires harnessing with a certain material, they wear on their uniforms or around their necks or attached to them in a bag etc. This allows them to focus the 'magic' and then fly, augment their weapons which are otherwise the same as any other or themselves and so on.The protag is a jap salaryman from our world that kills himself due to hating life and something calling itself 'god' taunts him in the moment and demands why he is an atheist. The protag refuses to accept him as divine and tells him to prove it to fuck off and let him die (he is mid fall in front of a moving train). In typical anime style the 'god' reincarnates him but without asking makes the salaryman into a 'German' girls body in an alternate world from our own that is on the same timeline but a few years before WW1. The protag does not introduce magic, the entire world is in an arms race over the new discovery but otherwise the situation is still ours circa 1900 or so. The Great War still starts just with magical special forces acting as dogfighting pilots in the skies above the ground war.The protag then goes on to revolutionise the tactics and strategies said special forces are capable of conducting and uses the magic in unconventional and previously unthought of ways to commit war crimes freely because its also pre Geneva convention - which he is extremely aware of. The MC is extremely logical and callous and decides he is going to change history (he is well read and knows the 'Germans' are going to lose even if they think they are winning) and is taunted constantly by the 'god' that put him there who wont let him 'leave' that world or even die until he accepts the 'god' is divine.Also he/she has to literally pray to the said 'god' mid battle in order to power themselves up even though he/she DEEPLY despises it.
>>215507815>an enemy that is typically White and/or homogenous
>>215503687>Somehow they're still stuck in the medieval ages and the majority of the population are peasantsThat would be the least surprising part - consolidation of the political power with the magic guild sabotaging any attempt at technological progress specifically to keep themselves in power would be a nobrainer
>>215503764Wizards control the means of magic production.
>>215507825Thanks, though that seems kind of convoluted but its anime so
>>215503829Worth it.
>>215503764>How does the presence of technology not progress society at all?
>>215503687>>215503770The thing is that a lot of modern inventions completely trivialize much of would-be magic which complicates things from a story perspective.Being able to shoot lightning or firebolts from your hands is far less impressive if any fuckboy can just pick up a gun and go on a killing spree.If in Harry Potter the wizards weren't pompous assholes the so legendary instant death spell would've been trivialized by any of them just picking up a glock turning the build up of the curses into a fart in the wind.
>>215503814It's the nu20s version of giving fantasy characters mullets and mohawks.
>>215503687it's realistic fantasy bullshitnormies don't like magicit's why there's really no magic in lotr or gotit's medieval larp with some dragons or zombies
>>215503687>>215508552low-fantasy is the term/ sub-genre you're looking for.tv shows typically favor it because it's extremely cheap while inherently allowing for darkies
>>215503687Willow TV is earnest millennial cringe, and a guilty pleasure I won't deny. That little midge actually got everyone to care about this for real.God bless Warwick Davis.
>>215503770short answer; magic retards scientific and technological developmentlong answer; scientific and technological development was done by White Christians trying to understand God's creation and if not for colonialism many parts of the world would still be in the stone age. even china that likes to claim it invented everything was effectively stagnant for well over a thousand years until Europeans came knocking>inb4 r/atheismim also an atheist, i just have the mental maturity to not be one just because im upset with surrogate sky daddy whilst acknowledging that the scientific method was created by monks
>>215507983>dont do drugs>get a job>dont import millions to replace working class jobs for citizens and also drives up housing costsnow everyone of worth has housing and only the unsavable die in the gutters due to their own failings
