>Maybe I should call my friends in Valinor so we can fight Sauron with an army of thousands of elves. We're essentially immortal, it doesn't matter if our bodies are slain, we just reincarnate even stronger than before.>Maybe sending mortal humans to die is a bad idea and it's a little cruel.
>Well, Frodo, you could of course hike to the Grey Havens, once there, take a ship, sail a few hundred miles westward, put The Ring in the middle of a densely-knead coconut-sized clay ball and just drop it in the water once you are far enough off shore. This far out, the ocean is bound to be at least 5 miles deep. The large clay ball makes it extremely unlikely - if possible at all - for a large fish to swallow it during its approximately 3 hour long descent to the bottom. This should rule out any chance of The Ring finding a way back to its master. You could then sail back to Middle Earth and even if someone were to find and torture you for informations, there would be no way for you to lead them to the exact spot where you dropped The Ring, what with the drift due to sidewinds and currents and all. And even if you managed to pinpoint the exact spot, Sauron would have no way of diving this deep. Nor would Saruman or any of Sauron's henchmen for that matter. The One Ring would be forever lost while still being technically undamaged. The fact that he could never salvage The Ring would drive Sauron to suicide, quite probably. But by all means, carry on and bring The Ring to a mountain right next to the eye of Sauron, walking through enemy territory for miles and miles on end to reach this destination, in the hope of being able to drop it into molten lava before being captured. No, no, Frodo, no, you're right, that's a totally sound plan of yours.
>Sorry man. Elves can't help we're leaving lmaos.
>>215504110Sauron was going to win even without the ring. He and his agents had corrupted and demoralized much of the land and his armies were massive.
>>215504076>We're essentially immortal, it doesn't matter if our bodies are slain, we just reincarnate even stronger than beforeThat's not really true. Slain elves will reincarnate to fight Morgoth when their world has their version of Ragnarok. There's barely any cases of elves reincarnating prior to that. Glorfindel might be one.
>>215504154But he lost in the end.
>>215504076>Maybe I should call my friends in Valinor so we can fight Sauron with an army of thousands of elves. We're essentially immortal, it doesn't matter if our bodies are slain, we just reincarnate even stronger than before.Is that true?
>>215504110>literal demigod can't dive underwater to get a ringYou're a fucking retard. Sauron is essentially an angel at that point. He's supernatural. Putting the ring in deep water isn't gonna do shit. It has to be destroyed entirely.
>>215504076>we just reincarnate even stronger than beforeWait is that why they've got basically zero birthrate? Is there a fixed number of elf souls or something?
>>215504225You forgot encasing it in clay. It's going to be really heavy, there's no way he can swim back up while holding it.
>>215504211Yeah, elves respawn, but Sauron is smart enough to solve that issue.
>>215504204Because the ring was like a lich's phylactery for him. His armies would have won if Rohan and the army of the dead hadn't arrived at the last minute.
>>215504225Saruman himself studied ring lore, concluded that the ring had been washed down the Anduin into the ocean and would take so impossibly long to find that the world would end before that happened anyway and so he promptly stopped giving a fuck about sauron completely. He only changed his tune after the ring was rediscovered by gandalf.
>>215504211Not really. People like talking about Glorfindel but honestly it it was true then a LOT of legendary elves would reincarnate.
>>215504190>Slain elves will reincarnate to fight Morgoth when their world has their version of RagnarokEven then men still have to do the dirty work.>Thus spake Mandos in prophecy, when the Gods sat in judgement in Valinor, and the rumour of his words was whispered among all the Elves of the West. When the world is old and the Powers grow weary, then Morgoth, seeing that the guard sleepeth, shall come back through the Door of Night out of the Timeless Void; and he shall destroy the Sun and Moon. But Earendel shall descend upon him as a white and searing flame and drive him from the airs. Then shall the Last Battle be gathered on the fields of Valinor. In that day Tulkas shall strive with Morgoth, and on his right hand shall be Fionwë, and on his left Túrin Turambar, son of Húrin, coming from the halls of Mandos; and the black sword of Túrin shall deal unto Morgoth his death and final end; and so shall the children of Húrin and all Men be avenged.
>>215504242Elves do reproduce normally, Galadriel is one of the elves who's not as old as the world and was birthed from other elves
>>215504307Turin is Tolkien's most kino character. Straight up Greek tragic hero.
>>215504110Don't his horsemen have like ring radar? They'd pin down the location eventually. They could send an orc down Waterworld style if they find it.
>>215504211There's literally a hall where's there's a big line of dead elves waiting to reincarnate. Since there's so many dead elves it takes a long time for them to get their bodies back.Elves who've done great deeds like Glorfindel get to cut in line and move to the front to reincarnate soon, while elves who've commited crimes get put at the end of the line (feanor is an extremely rare example of an elf who's been permanently denied reincarnation)
>Yes the evil is of my creation, but it's because I gave them free will>Why no, I cannot help good triumph, of which I favor, because I gave them free will and I cannot intervene>Well, yes, I will send Gandalf back after his death, so that he can intervene.>Even though it's temporary, he's not allowed to use all of his great powers to aid them, he still has to be a guide>It's important that the good and free people of middle-earth triumph over this evil on their own, with at best guiding hands>that is why the elves can't really get involved. >did I mention the elves are my firstborn, thus my favored? I gave them immortality and the ability to commune with the Valar, when they die, their souls do not leave this world, in fact, for special reasons they could even come back. Death is ultimately unimportant for my favored children who will do the bare minimum for this gardener trying to destroy evil>Yes, it is true legions of men and great kings were corrupted by this evil. They lusted after power, that's their free will. >Oh, I do suppose it is understandable that my second children might feel betrayed and lust after power since I made them mortals, death is the ultimate end for them, unlike my favored elvish children. They live short lives and are prone to disease and all kinds of other ailments that my firstborn are immune to.>Look, it's not my fault my demigod creations wield such incredible power they can manipulate and corrupt my weak piece of shit latter creations, it's free will!! I can't get involved when they use the great insane powers I gave them in this great imbalanced world I created.
ITT: We argue about solutions already answered in the Silmarillion
>>215504190They can return to life earlier (except Feanor and Finwe) but Glorfindel was the only one to return to Middle-earth.
>>215504373If this was true then most elves probably don't even want to "reincarnate". Finwe was completely blameless, and he was the first slain elf so there was no line for him to wait, but he never reincarnated. The idea that elves routinely get reincarnated is absolutely hilarious.
>>215504470Miriel reincarnated so now Finwe is eternally cockblocked from life, because he would have two wives.
>>215504376Death was called the Gift of Men before their hears were corrupted, and their ultimate fates may have been better than that of Elves.
>I was there, Gandalf>I could have just gently nudged the asshole with the ring into the volcano>It would have been easy, I'm sure the hobbits will get it done just like I did
>>215504076>I was there when the strength of men failed>And I didn't do anything just complained a lot at the time
>>215505050no but really why the fuck did he just let him, like, walk away? didnt a bunch of people die to get it there? even if you were a pussy (elf) you still probably just shove him.
>>215504110>le hypothetical le hypothetical and then... le hypothetical Back to rebbit.
>>215504110> let the ring bearer decide why
>>215504258But they did arrive.. so wtf sure you blabbing on about
>>215504429>Glorfindel was the only one to return to Middle-earth>he came back for morefucking chad
>>215504110>The large clay ball makes it extremely unlikely - if possible at all - for a large fish to swallow itA whale could swallow it, or it could be intercepted by one of the mysterious, evil things that live in the water and are susceptible to Sauron's influence, like the creature outside Moria.The assumption that Sauron could never retrieve something from the ocean floor is baseless. Sauron and his orcs are the one faction that advances engineering in Middle-Earth, and it's plausible that they could eventually develop a diving bell or another mechanism to retrieve your hypothetical clay ball. "Oh no not a clay ball, I'll have to give up now!"
>>215505129the tldr is that the ring already has enough power over everyone with clout to prevent them from destroying it. Galadriel even admits it. It's all that any of them can do to not just take the damn thing themselves.
