Incredibles still just seems evil to me. The overt Ubermensch messaging: "It's not a graduation, he's moving from the 4th grade to the 5th grade. It's psychotic! They keep coming up with new ways to celebrate mediocrity but if someone is truly exceptional-", "Everyone's special Dash" "Which is another way of saying no one is", which is mirrored one to one by the villains monologue: "I'll sell my inventions so everyone can be super! And when everyone's super...No one will be!" The only normal people in the film are either helpless ungrateful civilians who vote to outlaw superheroes, government lackeys holding back the superheroes, or diminutive evil people such as Syndrome or Mr Incredible's boss. A normal man holding back an ubermensch from doing what he wants, and it's only because of government interference Bob doesn't.The fact that for all of his hard work, Syndrome is still utterly inferior to those simply born with their gifts. To those simply born great. Syndrome can't even defeat Jack-Jack, a literal baby, simply because Jack-Jack is born great and Syndrome isn't. And then in the end the solution the film presents for when you have some ordinary man daring to pretend to be super, is just to have the supers violently murder him. Enjoy watching the only man trying to even the playing field be dragged screaming feet first into a turbine.
>>215526049Syndrome was actual a super genius, he even managed to genocide almost every other superhero except for Mister Incredible family and Frozone
>the only man trying to even the playing field guess you forgot when he murdered a bunch of people and wasn't going to even the field until long after he got to play super hero and squeeze whatever he could out of it. (after I've had my fun)
>>215526049>Atlas Shrugged/Harrison Bergeron... but Pixar!capekino
>>215526049Don't be resentful of your betters
>>215526049The cream always rises to the top.
>>215526049>being born Jewish makes you a target
>>215526049>Syndrome is still utterly inferior to those simply born with their gifts.And yet he murdered a fuckton of them using his robots
>>215526049It's not a metaphor for real life, where no one has superpowers, so your argument doesn't make sense. Then you're pretending you don't understand the heroes had good morals in using their power to save others, while Syndrome had no morals and just acted out of spite.
>>215526276His robot beat some of them, after repeated attempts and upgrades. He himself gets defeated by a baby.
>>215526049Well if he was a kind person jack jack and the incredible would be good to him instead of fight him. He could have easily established himself as central command for supers everywhere
>>215526049Technically Syndrome was a Super. He had super intelligence. What other 10 year old could invent rocket boots? Mr. Incredible was just an asshole and didn’t see his potential
>>215526322The direct ubermensch messaging isn't a metaphor? A story where those born "special" being held back by a herd morality has no real world relevance? Good morals pictured. We even see Bob proceed to assault his helpless ordinary boss.
a superhero is someone who uses their powers to help othersa supervillain is someone who uses their powers to help themselvesi hope this clears things up OP
>>215526456People who lord their power like that deserve to be assaulted.
>>215526515Like syndrome did to the heroes?
>>215526326>His robotWhich he created and had direct involvement in the making.>beatKilled. Even being a kids movie this is still outright shown on screen with the lazer guy's corpse.>someThats downplaying it a bit, he was borderline on a super genocide before Incredible came into the picture.>defeated by a babyWho neither he nor anyone had any idea had powers much less that many, which is why he got careless and thus Jack Jack had a chance to beat his face to begin with. If not for it he couldve easily nullified him like he did with the rest of the family. Its akin to you getting killed by a toddler because it had a gun and you didnt know.And going by the logic that Syndrome didnt kill any heros but his robot did, then Jack Jack didnt beat Syndrome but the plane did.
>>215526049Nothing about that is evil. I bet you support brown people invading the U.S.
>>215526608Designs a fully autonomous robot which defeats superheroes without his input, against which he also cannot defeat.It's not carelessness, the baby didn't sneak up on him anon. He's literally holding it as it attacks him, yet is unable to stop it from burning, biting or punching him. It even tears his boot off. Syndrome is defeated and tries to flee, THEN Mr incredible kills him. Go back and watch the scene. Don't be disingenuous.
>>215526456Gamma Jack should be the villain in Incredibles 3, they need a villain the heroes can punch
>>215526587Don’t know what point you thought you made there
>>215526773>Mr incredible kills himSyndrome gets too close to a jet turbine while wearing a cape, high the air, a huge distance from the family on the ground, while Hellen is acting as a parachute to get the baby to the ground. You rewatch the scene faggot
>>215526049The morals are fucked by today's post WWII egalitarian liberalism politics. But everyone deep down knows some people are just superior to othersNot me though. I'm pathetitc
>>215526049>just seems evil>proceeds to describe a based and morally good storyEquality is a false god. Some people are better than others
For me, it’s dashXhelen
>>215526957He gets knocked into the turbine by the car mr incredible throws at him. Please anon, try to remember basic events.
>>215527276Huh??
>>215527336For me, it’s looking at drawings of dash having sex with helen
This movie sucks. Brad bird is so overrated. Iron giant sucks too
>>215526049>people should be celebrated for their actual talents rather than for meaningless mediocrity>this is evil
>>215526049>Enjoy watching the only man trying to even the playing field be dragged screaming feet first into a turbine.I do. I look forward to the IRL version.
>>215526456Gamma Jack is basically a walking nuclear bomb.
>>215527315it wasnt mr incredibles fault that syndrome got knocked into the turbinehe had know clue that his specific force and throw of the car would cause the exact physics to put syndrome in danger of the turbinehe was just trying to remove syndromes ability to escape
>>215526456>We even see Bob proceed to assault a white collar criminal who makes his money by scamming his customersBased.
>>215526049Equality doesn't exist you dumb fucking redditor. The celebration of mediocrity and ugliness is evil.
you're just now realizing the brad byrd stuff all has bizarre messaging? yes, incredibles is about how if you arent born great you'll never achieve greatness, so just let the ubermen handle everyonerattatouille is about relinquishing your free will some strange entity you simply have to trust and hope will make your life better and even wall-e is basically saying a fully automated and comfortable society is bad because the people look silly
>>215527437Fr he's just like Luigi
>>215527489All of that is correct. When you need a doctor why don't you ask the homeless guy on the street to do it?
>>215526049But Syndrome defeats Bob with his inventions multiple times, and many other supers. It’s his actions that get him killed, not his potential. In a world where some people have the ability to lift a tank and walk through a hail of gunfire, it’s hard to make a 1 for 1 comparison with the real world. But in any case, you should let people use their god-given talents to the betterment of all.
>>215527428https://medium.com/@pique/the-ritual-of-buphonia-b6be037d4ab2Lol nice b8 m8
>>215527561Which is what Syndrome was going to do, use his talents to create gadgets so everyone can be super. Which is framed as evil because only the ubermensch should be allowed to be special.
>>215527669he was also killing people that had natural gifts because he couldnt stand being moggedif syndrome just left supers alone and sold his shit he would have been fine
>>215526049>The only normal people in the film are ... diminutive evil people such as Syndromewrong. Syndrome was not normal, he was in effect a super due to his incredible intelligencethe reason Syndrome was bad wasn't because he lacked visible super powers, it was because he was a murderer and was willing to put a populated city in extreme danger just to satisfy his ego.looks like you lack media literacy.
>>215526426Genius and morality are two completely different things, Socrates.
>>215526773>Designs a fully autonomous robot which defeats superheroes without his inputRobots, plural and who knows if previous models were autonomous too and he wasn't just laughing his ass off playing on a controller like a maniac. Either way, he made the machines to kill supes, they killed supes on basically his command and on the island he owns for that purpose, so even if indirectly, he killed them. For he crafted the whole scenario for their death.>he also cannot defeat.Because he didn't and never intended to take defeating it seriously, it was a show for his egomania>It's not carelessness, the baby didn't sneak up on him anon. He's literally holding itThat IS the carelessness in question, assuming the baby had no powers when everything else that came out of Helen's womb did. Otherwise he would've finger zapped Jack Jack like he does with the rest of the family.
>>215526049>Name is Syndrome>Has Aspergersbravo bird
Even when I was a kid, I thought participation awards were fucking so gay, just something for us peeons to feel "apart" amongst the smart and talented
>>215527669see >>215526159are you just not reading anyone's responses?I hate blatant bait threads
>>215527669The caveat in that is that Syndrome and his company would then have control over who and how those people get powers rather than... what is the super power source in the Incredibles again? Random X gene type bullshit or are they just their own race who are the only ones who get powers? Actually never thought about it until now
>>215527772We only know what the films shows, which is a fully autonomous robot. Any argument for otherwise is fanfic tier. He fully intended to beat it, the moment it actually turned on him he is instantly beaten. It's not carelessness which results in you holding an opponent and then being unable to do anything but helplessly fly around as it continues to assault you. Being burned initially would be careless, being continually attacked and not being able to stop it proves that even a baby super is more powerful than a determined ordinary adult. He can't react fast enough to it going from fire to metal to superstrength and tearing his boot off. Reinforcing the ubermensch message.>>215527801>different opinion must be bait. Still evening the playing field, could be 50 years time. It's still framed as evil for an ordinary man to allow other ordinary people to be equal to the ubermensch.
>>215527885the only power source is birth. Syndrome states the inventions will be sold so there is some merit to pointing out that not everyone would be able to afford them, though given Syndromes goal of making "everyone super" it's not like he'd sell them for millions. They'd need to be affordable to the masses.
>>215526049That's why the movie is based, egalitarianism is already retarded in our world, and it would make even less sense in a world where people are born with innate superhuman capabilities. Once transhuman enhancements (both genetic and technological) become available to the richest in our own society, egalitarian humanism will be fully revealed as a bygone institution. In some ways, that makes the movie quite prophetic.
>>215526049>Enjoy watching the only man trying to even the playing field be dragged screaming feet first into a turbine.The spiteful mutant who murdered countless supers in various violent ways?
syndrome is a super. if he was a normal he would have executed them immediately. only super villians keep the heros alive for the final phase of the plan.
>>215527956>could be 50 years time. It's still framed as evil for an ordinary man to allow other ordinary people to be equal to the ubermensch.bcause he's not evening the playing field until AFTER he no longer needs to be an ubermensch. what aren't you getting?He is intentionally causing disasters that he can "fix" himself to look like a hero, will killing anyone else who could actually help anyone, and wants to APPEAR like the only hero for as long as it suits him. Only then when he no longer wants to play, he's going to make stuff available so THEN anyone, good or evil can have access to destructive powers, long after it's no longer his problem. yes this is a bad thing.
>>215526049Why did the playing field need to be even?Crabs in a bucket.
>>215528159because dingaling wants free gibs.>why should THAT guy have that gift, I want it too.>well you have your own gift like, say, super intelligence.>No, I want his gift, I'm going to ruin it for everyone, so that I'm the only one special.
>>215527457Equality is a principle of the law treating everyone equally because of the ubiquity of equalizers. It does not mean “everyone is exactly the same.”
>>215527489wall-e was just strong men create good times, good times create weak men, weak men create hard times, hard times create strong men
reminder: the messages from the babysitter establish that syndrome knew the baby had superpowers.
>>215527489What about Iron Giant? Besides "guns bad" obviously.
>>215528156Which is still evening the playing field. Whether he does it now or when he retires it's still a world where everyone can be super. Which the film treats as evil, first presented with Dash complaining about how everyone's special "is another way of saying no one is"
hey let’s ignore how syndrome, even as a kid, carelessly causes huge amounts of collateral damage that needs to be fixed by others. Cuz when we do that he’s not that bad a guy!
>>215526049I wish the sequel would've explored what if a super goes rogue instead of having another normal person be the villain.Would make the reasoning behind normal people wanting supers gone more valid
>>215528425It's evil because1. All the evil shit he's doing: murder, property damage etc. doing that stuff is evil, why do you keep ignoring it. If someone killed YOU to "even the playing field" would you have a problem with it?2. He's not doing it to benefit mankind, he's doing it to wipe out everyone's individuality. Everyone has their own gifts and he spitefully believes it will erase that. You keep forgetting his end goal is that NO ONE will be super. He wants to be the last special person, then pull up the ladder.Giving people the ability to do things COULD be a nobel goal, but he's not after that. he doesn't care what will happen when he unleashes all this onto everyone (good and evil) because it won't be his problem, it'll be the rest of civilizations problem to sort out.2.
>>215526426people with high IQs can easily develop harmful fixations because they can conjure great poetry and meaning from completely mundane events. The Unabomber bombed dozens of people because a highway got built on his favorite camping spot.
>>215527489finally i can know what the pixar movies are saying underneath it all
>>215526456The fact that Syndrome managed to kill this nuclear guy with one of his robots is insane.
>>215526456Based Aryan Jack.
>>215526049>even the playing field>"After I'm old and I've had my fun, I'll sell my inventions"Syndrome gets to LARP as the only superhero in the world until he gets bored of it, then sell his gear to the rich so they can do the same. How is that evening the playing field? If that was what he actually cared about, he would be using his knowledge to help non-supers, not for his fantasy.
>>215526049>UbermenschExist in real life. Some people are better than others. Sorry but that is reality.
>>215529200He probably just coated it with lead.
>>215527669Syndrome himself is the only one who frames it as evil. His infamous “if everyone is super, then no one will be” line isn’t endorsed by anyone else in the film. Bob doesn’t scream “noooo! Only I can be ubermensch!!” Syndrome is doing it for spiteful, petty reasons and trying to devalue the abilities of his former hero, but he isn’t necessarily correct.The government would probably oppose Syndrome giving random people superhuman abilities for the same reason they’ve forced the actual supers into hiding: collateral damage. But Bob might like the ‘everyone’s super’ world, because then at least he could save people again.
Syndrome says whatever he thinks will fuck with Bob the hardest. When Bob gets him monologuing he gives the standard arms dealer speech. Bob probably boomer-griped to Mirage about participation trophies so Syndrome throws that back in his face later.
>noooo! Only I can be ubermensch only I can harness the power of a Tsar Bomba whenever I want because I’m the ubermensch I was born with it! That means only I can handle it because I said so! You normal goys would lose your fucking minds and destroy the universe so you can’t have it. It’s mine! All mine!
>>215529540>Yes we should give WiFi to all of India
>>215529540>You normal goys would lose your fucking minds and destroy the universe so you can’t have itno lies detected
>>215529554>>215529549Ok sure the limit is no retarded beaner and indian supers
>>215528479>kid(superpowered) is a stupid destructive bratNot really evil, thats just him being an underage brat.Not like Flash is bad for bullying his teacher into paranoia fits or Jack Jack for putting his babysitter in danger or trying to behead a raccoon while laughing about both situations either, just kids who dont know better.Now taking it into adulthood and graduating from property damage to murder, that is what shows Syndrome is bad.
>>215529837Why do you think that’s only referring to his actions as a child? Even as an adult he’s still completely undisciplined.
>>215529540To be fair none of the supes we see on screen reach that levelWell except Jack Jack who going by the absurd powers he has on the second movie could go on a killing spree unopposed if he so wanted despite still being in diapers
>>215526426A child scorned by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth
>>215526049Syndrome was a super who happened to have no resilience or bizarre physical powers. He was really textbook supervillain
>>215526049the second movie mogs it just watched bothdidnt really like the message of the first one either
>>215526931syndrome is literally just a metaphor for the super powers supers weild over normiesMegamind is the superior movie both in concept and execution
