>>215543761
>starslop
grow up

>>215543761
You’re picking apart movies made for little children.

It’s time to grow up.

>>215543792
Hello /r/Prequelmemes

>>215543792
children don't read Aristotle and Jung.

>>215543761
It is even more bizarre given that in the opening Darth Vader was specifically looking for Skywalker on Hoth.
>THAT'S IT THE REBELS ARE THERE AND I AM SURE SKYWALKER IS WITH THEM
Special Editions are just garbage. And it also makes no sense that the Emperor would tell him this, because it contradicts the prequels where he told him that he killed his pregnant wife in anger. Why would he reveal himself as a liar to Vader?

>>215543761
>who the fuck did Darth Vader think he was looking for?
Someone who just so happened to share his surname, be from his hometown, and know his old master
>How is this news?
Now he knows it's his son

OP, I know it's a stretch, but consider this as a normal person. The only mention of Anakin Skywalker by that point was made in the previous movie, in passing. I believe Lucas wanted to plant the notion of Luke being somebody important's son so when he springs up the clímax in ESB people wouldn't be like "why is he mentioning Luke's father?"
You might think it's stupid, or unnecessary. It's George Lucas.

>>215544243
This doesn't even make sense given that Lucas intends for people to watch the movies from 1 to 6 in that order, and this change was made when the prequels were coming out. So you would know that Anakin is Vader and that he has two children, and in the beginning of ESB, Vader is searching for a guy named Skywalker on Hoth.

>>215543858
Vader didn't betray him after he saved Palpatine from Windu, asked him to tell him how to save Padme and Pappatine was like "OK, I don't actually know, but if you become my servant we'll probably figure it out."
Why would he turn on him now.

>>215544289
Because he lied to him. He made him believe he killed Padme and his unborn children, and he had no one else but Palpatine, his only friend. But the very existence of Luke Skywalker proves that Palpatine lied to him, gaslit him and used him. He was never his friend, he was never honest. This is supposed to be the turning point for Vader, and why he would try to recruit Luke on his own in an attempt to overthrow the Emperor.

>>215543761
Who cares?

>>215544243
I mean the for-the-audience objective-narrator intro crawl outright says he's looking everywhere for Luke.
Then in the film dialogue he wants to invade Hoth because "Skywalker" is there.

So the revision makes no sense either way around, really. And I get Lucas probably wanted it so that it's all according to Palpatine's design, he's secretly manipulating Vader, ooooo.

But shit doesn't just add up. In the original release of the film, it has the "I am your father" reveal still. The mind games in the "what is thy bidding?" scene are actually Vader trying to save Luke's life, turn him to the dark side, overthrow the Emperor.

Was Lucas trying to write IN a twist, into an old film?

>>215544327
You're wrong. This scene is much before the climax of the movie. Palpatine literally says he doesn't know how to save her and that they'll have to work together, and Vader goes "well, I'm off to murder children then."

>>215543761
I'm sure word on who the hero of the rebellion was travelled fast. It'd been a year or two since ANH by then, correct? He likely learned the name in the interim through imperial intelligence, but didn't piece together that it was his son until Palpatine spoke up about it.
>inb4 but why wouldn't he though?
Because so far as he knew, his wife died before she could give birth. To him the idea of living children would be impossible, anyone with that name would have to be someone less related.

>>215544531
>Was Lucas trying to write IN a twist, into an old film?
I believe he wanted extra setup for the twist. Also considering that you're coming into the movies blind and only watching the original Star Wars before ESB.

>>215544641
You are low IQ and probably brown.

>>215543858
"It SEEMS in your anger, you killed her"

>>215544673
>Also considering that you're coming into the movies blind and only watching the original Star Wars before ESB.
That's what I mean, though. Even with the context of just those (and assuming zero justasplanned.jpg prequel planning), it's all within that story.

If you just watched TESB in the cinema for the second time around, and it had the revised dialogue, you'd think, "Wait, what? How is this news?"
(And maybe find it a bit strange they call him "Anakin", I guess that Luke's dad's name? Non-father, you're saying that to his killer. Father-twist, you're saying that to him. Bit weird.)

>>215543761
>Special Edition
>logic
You can vomit mental gymnastics about the prequels all day, especially if you're Indian, but I dare your dumb attention-starved ass to find the logic in any of the edits to the OT Lucas did.

>>215545236
>find the logic in any of the edits to the OT Lucas did.
It takes some mental gymnastics, but I can understand the motives a little:
>These are children's films. Han is morally grey, but nobody here in 1996 insists he must shoot Greedo first. I'll tone the violence down there.
>CGI is the fresh new thing, it has revolutionised special effects and some of the old models look a bit dated. I'll replace the ships with 3D CGI.
>Some of the composited effects shot have that horrible 70s/80s fuzzy border. I'll hire digital artists to tidy that up, so it looks more seamless.

(I'm fine with the last one tbqh.)

>>215543761
top one legit scared and creeped me out as an adult

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>>215545415
That's cute but ignores some of the most incoherent edits he went for. It's also sweet that you tried to pretend he just spruced up the special effects and moved on.

>>215544738
>BTFO beyond capacity to reply, resorts to petty insults
Just quietly go, anon, try to save face.

>>215543761
Finally another anon realizes that the SE dialogue in that scene is retarded.

>>215545415
>I can't have Han shooting someone first since children can't handle that much violence
>Also have the main character commit genocide and kill a whole room full of children in my next movies - the kids can handle a bit of violence

>>215543761
>So by Special Edition logic, who the fuck did Darth Vader think he was looking for? How is this news?
it's news to vader that the emperor is aware of a skywalker's offspring to begin with, considering the events of episode 3. did you even watch the movies?

the scene is basically them indirectly calling each other's bullshit. a 9 year old can figure it out

>>215545236
They are all logical. Now cope and seethe like a basement dweller jeet

>>215545718
>a 9 year old can figure it out
True, but you expect too much from Lucas haters if you think they have the understanding ability of a nine year old.

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>>215543761
Read the book. This was set to be the low budget sequel to star wars. Or at least based on Lucas' plans.

Btw the original scene has a massive plot hole, a plot hole introduced by the crawl. I refuse to explain. Watch the fucking film for once in your life without distractions. Flush your phone down the toilet.

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Everything about Special Editions is awful. Ugly, retarded CGI additions are awful. Added dialogue is awful. Color correction is awful. DNR is awful. It is so ass. It is so shit. These movies are unwatchable as they are officially distributed.

>>215545792
they are the most watched versions and the only versions that matter for generations. nobody cares about obscure fanedits. now dilate

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>>215545845
Whatever you say, faggot.

>>215545718
>the scene is basically them indirectly calling each other's bullshit
Gotta laugh at these pathetic boomers pretending that they don't know what's going on as a coping mechanism

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You just know if Lucas was still in charge, he would AI the shit out of the movies, like Cameron.

>>215545792
You will love my book, anon. Star Wars got changed even more than you know.

>>215544243
Vader being Anakin wasn't the plan when Lucas wrote Ep 4, it only came to him midway into writing Ep 5. Early drafts confirm this since Luke was gonna meet Anakin's ghost on Dagobah.

>>215545874
oh no, where before there were a bunch of people and droids passing through, now there's also a ronto. the horror! better check yourself into a mental hospital if that ruins your life or if you think that changes anything

>>215545938
>You will love my book, anon
Normal people don't read fanfics, you know?

>>215545948
The dudes name was literally Dark Father. Lucas had to have had that planned.

>>215545978
It's non-fiction and I've found the smoking gun(s) that prove that the VHS/Laserdisc is not the original film shown on May 25, 1977.

>>215544645
>>215544531
Keep in mind that there WERE other Skywalkers considering Owen & Beru. So while Vader was probably already keyed in that Luke was his son, if not related to him in some way.

>>215545986
>he's too much like his father
>that's what i'm afraid of

>noo! lucas had no idea and only made vader anakin at the last minute in the next movie
OT boomers are so pathetic it's like a bad comedy

>>215543761
How did Darth Vader work out that the guy called Luke Skywalker who lived with his brother was actually his son?

>>215546025
it's clearly fiction by your own admission. fiction that nobody cares about

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>>215545986
>>215546042
It is literally documented that it was never the plan. In the first few drafts of ESB, Lucas had Luke talk to Anakin's Force Ghost on Dagobah. In Making of Star Wars book by J.W. Rinzler the original Lucas' notes were also published, the name Darth Vader was based on Invader and Dark Water. Embarrassing zoomers.

>>215546042
My take is that Lukas wanted Vader to be Luke's father. But only saved that piece of information if starwars got popular enough for another movie. If not he would just be a generic bad guy that killed his father. He planned for both events.

Darth Vader is black so he must be Finn

>>215545986
>His name is black father
>Is absentee and abusive

>>215546074
Non-fiction, anon. I'm speaking to how the movie was edited and originally presented. You're replying to two different people.

>>215546091
Nta, but "Darth" is a combination of dark and death.

>>215543792
of course you don't like sand
because its all up in your mangina

>>215545986
Lucas is an unreliable narrator at his best when it comes to his plans, but pretty much all the information we have of pre-production for Ep 4 and 5 make it rather clear that Vader being Anakin wasn't the original plan during Ep 4 and it's mostly good acting from Guinness that prevents the reveal being entirely contradictory to Anakin's established fate. Is it possible he did always intend it and autistically hid it? Yes but that just means he deliberately made bad writing decisions to hide the twist if so. Same for Leia being Luke's sister, itself a last second retcon of his original plan (Luke was always gonna have a sister and Leia was always gonna have the Force) that he totally insists was always the plan.

>>215546082
>It is literally documented that it was never the plan
it's literally documented that he was playing around with many ideas at the same time. It's a fallacy to assume that just because he was toying with something, that something else was automatically never considered or was never an option on the table. but then again, basic logic was never something Lucas haters had much of to begin with. they never created anything. they only rant about someone else's creation

>>215544336
You do by replying. Thanks for the bump.

>>215546042
Right but even in the context of just Ep 4 that line can be read as:
>"I'm afraid Luke is going to get himself foolishly killed following the Jedi ideals like Anakin did"

>>215546156
Based Lucas appreciator.

>>215546150
Nta, but real facts aside, Lucas says that no one really knows what happened exactly in all these stories because they're all told from the perspective from R2-D2 and C-3PO.
The droids are telling the story that happened a long time ago. Everyone we see in those stories are long dead. It's the entire point.

>>215546084
>He planned for both events
He had to, he had no idea wether star wars would be successful or not

>>215543761
The replacement Holo looks like dogshit. It's way too high resolution and defined. The old one has a mysterious shitty analog quality to it as if it is a real projection. George is a retard for retouching these movies at all

>>215546182
if you want to, but you also have to ignore obi-wan's hesitancy when luke asks about how his father died. no need to be hesitant if he had just been killed by a bad jedi. but the truth was more dangerous

It wasn’t too jarring but it was strange when the new action figures popped up on screen in another window.

>>215546260
Luke didn't know his father was murdered. Obi-Wan was laying a heavy truth on him. Are you autistic? Most people would find telling people something like that difficult

>Darth Vader
>Dark Invader
What did Lucas mean by this?

>>215546260
That's largely on Guinness's performance and not strictly in the script.

>>215546311
He is a Lucasjeet. Of course he is autistic. Not only he thinks the prequels are masterpieces, but he unironically defends the special editions.

>>215546210
>The replacement Holo looks like dogshit
you're confused, the revision is the one at the bottom, with the actor that actually plays the emperor in all the movies, instead of a woman with a bad mask and monkey eyes

>>215544738
Not him, but in ROTS, Palpatine says (word for word) "To cheat death is a power only one has achieved, but if we work together, I know we can discover the secret.". Shut the fuck up, you brown retard.

>>215545877
coping is all they can do. coping, badmouth lucas, and jerking off to obscure fanedits

>>215546536
Correct.

>>215546536
>obscure fanedits
They even call them "restorations" and waste their life on those just to pander an handful of people KEK

>>215546156
> it was planned
> no it wasn’t
> ok, it wasn’t planned, but he had the concept of the plan!

>>215543761
and who the fuck did he think he was looking for in the original? there aren't many skywalkers in the galaxy

>>215544275
I don't believe in this shit.
Lucas just claimed he made this all in order. The fans eat it up. In actuallity, he wasn't even sure how to make the very first movie, builed in many then-obscure references, e.g. the clone wars, Luce's father the pilot, the galatic republic.
At this moment, nobody thought about a galatic republic when he or she show the movie, they don't think about politics. They just got vaguely vibes of resistance against a evil empire, maybe association with the world war.
There is a lot that has been made just as a fit for this allegory. Consider "stoorm truppers", Darths dark masks.

The jedi were, at this point in time, complettly a mystery. Nobody has an idea what a jedi was. It seems even Lucas want to obsure this, giving us different hints. For one, it was a antique religion, for the others superstition etc.
Just a association with New Age.

We could go one.
The intial Star Wars gains his merrits by the emotional association and the special effects, it should be like a dream, more symbolic than rational.
The new triology destruies this partly.

>>215545415
Thats more or less how his brain works, yes.

>>215546713
>there aren't many skywalkers in the galaxy
how do you know?

>>215545718
So you're expecting Vader to see a kid called Luke Skywalker show up with Obi-Wan and not make the connection that they're related?

>>215547298
I do expect him to make the connection. but not just because he was named skywalker. but because he was named skywalker, was strong with the force and was with obi-wan.

The point of the revised scene with the emperor is that vader had been told that padmé died before giving birth, so he was subserviently confronting the emperor with that lie

>>215545792
The orginal triology will always be in my brain like a video game. You must explore the shit untill you find the important item. With a low, yet too high change for your satification, you will face truppers in the star.
>>215546025
Not like Watergate, thats the shit we're actually care about. Let me guess, the orginal material has had a different story? It was about defeating Trump?
>>215546186
Headcanon

>>215546156
>It's a fallacy
Stopped reading there. Anyone who talks like this is not worth listening to.

>>215543827
Do you?

>>215543761
I hate the special edition but I don't see what the problem is?

Original
>Our new enemy is your son, dumbass

Special Edition
>Our new enemy, who blew up my very expensive death star. I'm quite certain he's got to be the offspring of a certain idiot deciple of mine. Dumb Ass.

>>215547429
>Anyone who talks like this is not worth listening to
you could have just said you were a jeet and be done with it

>>215547662
It's always jeets and other browns who treat every conversation as some formal debate and obsess over technicalities and fallacies and all that useless pseudointellectual bullshit that lets them "win" every conversation.

>>215547703
it's jeets like you who get stuck and start seething as soon as they see words like "fallacy"

>>215547738
You've done nothing but prove my point that you're worthless to talk to.

>>215547712
>static image with a mouth moving while pretending they know better
fanedits and faneditors are embarassing

What's the point in dressing up in a stupid robe for a face-time meeting with your subordinate?

>>215547712
https://youtu.be/rKtciRCVpFE
Comared to the actual movie, some changes emphises itselves. For instance, the orginal triology has had sound.

>>215547829
Sheev is a chuuni. He doesn't have a practical reason, he's just enjoys being evil.

>>215547854
>Sheev is a chuuni.
Who is a what? Try again in English.

>>215547409
>like Watergate, thats the shit we're actually care about

Which is why you're a SW thread, right?

>Headcanon
Actual canon.

>>215547919
Sith version of a chud

>>215545956
>IT'S A MEANINGLESS CHANGE WHY GET MAD ABOUT IT?
>if it's meaningless, why do it in the first place?
>FUCK YOU! GEORGE I'M SO SORRY!

>>215543761
Original looks like a scrotum, they were right to change it

>>215547919
Sneed is a Chardee.

>>215548002
The '97 version is laughable, lit wrong, and ruins the dialogue.
Chimp-eyes-old-lady-Emperor 4ever.

>>215547942
>Which is why you're a SW thread, right?
The moment the people care more about Star Wars than politics is the moment the worlds starts to healing.
>Actual canon.
Shitty Headcanon.
>>215548002
Your Mother.

>>215548161
>The moment the people care more about Star Wars than politics is the moment the worlds starts to healing.

People do care more about Star Wars than politics. Believe me, the world would be even worse if that were not so.

>Shitty Headcanon.
Lucas's own headcanon is official.

>>215547999
>>if it's meaningless, why do it in the first place?
it enhances the scene, it doesn't change it. traffic walked by in the foreground both in the original and the special edition. what are you complaining about? that it's a ronto and not something else? KEK keep dilating that space dinosaurs exist on mos eisley

>>215548036
>The '97 version is laughable, lit wrong, and ruins the dialogue
that's true. 97 is the same as the theatrical

>>215548345
>that's true. 97 is the same as the theatrical
I don't think so.....is it? Oh well, I haven't watched TESB in probably half a decade and it's hard to keep up with Lacas's edits over the many decades.

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>>215543858

I think the Special Editions suffer from the issue that they were produced when work on the Prequels was just getting started and Lucas hadn't finalized the script (Revenge of the Sith in particular went through numerous drastic changes)

>>215545415

Greedo shooting first was a pretty stupid change but replacing some of the model shots with CGI that finally allowed Lucas to depict combat on a scale that he couldn't at the time is just fine.

>>215545558

I always assumed that it was supposed to be some sort of early test to see if an all-CGI character like Jar-Jar was going to work. Hence the close up on the face.

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>>215548498
>CGI that finally allowed Lucas to depict combat on a scale that he couldn't at the time is just fine.

The Star Wars prequels get too much flak for this, when The Lord of the Rings gets outright praised for it: I know that was 'a combination of effects', but I mean the actual rendered-in-Massive shots themselves.

But, what 'scale' do you think Star Wars was lacking? The first one was intentionally a handful of X-Wings as a last-ditch effort. Return of the Jedi had the biggest space battle and it looked/felt huge enough. If they painstakingly modelled in tens-of-thousands of spaceships I actually think it'd look be ridiculous and impossible to follow.

>>215545874
why did they overlay a ps1 texture on the movie?

>>215545933
oh gods yes he would everyone would have odd hands

>>215548498
>>215548719
Cringe reddit-spacing avatarfag.

>>215548498
>I think the Special Editions suffer from the issue that they were produced when work on the Prequels was just getting started and Lucas hadn't finalized the script
How is that an issue for the revisions? The special editions are mostly visual changes that enhance the scope and scale lucas always wanted. None of the changes suffered from being done before or during the production of the prequels

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>>215548752
What's weird is, The Phantom Menace (rightfully) gets credit for Jar Jar. They pulled off lizard skin and clothing pretty well.

This is so in-your-face it really does just look like "a texture" even in motion. Haters gonna hate, but the (CGI) dinos in Jurassic Park have the same problem:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8WaFvwtphY
(They were too cocky here.)

>>215543761
TOP: For Intellectuals
BOTTOM: For Retards

>>215548948
>What's weird is, The Phantom Menace (rightfully) gets credit for Jar Jar. They pulled off lizard skin and clothing pretty well.
Why is that weird? Phantom Menace came multiple years after the OT Special Edition, so obviously they refined the technology and techniques in between.

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>>215548886
>Cringe reddit-spacing avatarfag.
They're called 'paragraphs' and 'images'. They're taking message boards by storm.

I hope the next big trend is reading comprehension, I (>>215548719) was replying to >>215548498-san, you nerd.

>>215543761
*sigh*
Somehow, we have a new enemy.

>>215545236
the CGI jabba scene is really the most disastrous one. On the most basic level it is spitting in the face of the director of SW77 that cut the scene and moved a lot of the exposition in it to Greedo's confrontation. In the special edition they repeat that exposition from the greedo scene word for fucking word. And on a movie history level it is spitting in the face of one of the top 2-3 greatest puppets ever created for film by spoiling Jabba on top of just being a completely shit effect. It also spoils the "what a piece of junk" first appearance of the millenium falcon.

And on a subjective level it just throws a wrench into the rhythm of SW77, one of the best paced movies ever made. Absolutely just a crime on all levels, and completely and totally idefensible. The only thing I've ever seen prequelshitters manage to say about it is to pretend Lucas was trolling viewers on purpose... by spitting on the work of artists that made the movie in the '70s and '80s.

>>215549008
I could have worded that better. It's like there's this whole myth that CGI is inherently bad, or something, and The Phantom Menace is emblematic of that. If they'd tried photorealistic humans or something, sure, but the robots and Gungans look great (even today).

But even for a nascent technology it looks abysmal. The original Jabba just looks like a texture stretched over a model. 90s PC game FMVs had better graphics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X3GD0UnBCk
Use these same rendering resources for ONE (1) space dinosaur. ILM of all places could have pulled it off even at the time.

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>>215543792
Hello, Patrick.

>People defending this change when it's blatantly just ROTS palpatine shoved into ESB

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>>215549217
>On the most basic level it is spitting in the face of the director of SW77 that cut the scene and moved a lot of the exposition in it to Greedo's confrontation. In the special edition they repeat that exposition from the greedo scene word for fucking word.
When I saw this as a kid, I thought it was a joke tbqh. Like that's Han's little spiel he gives whenever someone criticizes him: "Hey, even *I* get boarded sometimes."

But I don't believe the shit about how this guy wasn't originally Jabba. They made him a costume.

>>215549298
Is that his son/daughter's mug with a fantasy world map on it? He doesn't own that FOR HIMSELF, does he...?

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>My Grandad was a huge Star Wars fan and died last year
>Got to watch the 4K scan of Star Wars with him before he died
>Told me stories about how he'd record the audio of the movie in his car at the drive in and listen to it like a radio show back in the day

Crazy to think the first movie is nearing 50 years old

>>215549368
One doesn't like to speculate.

>>215549433
(But yes, the second-worst thing is the hypocrisy.)

>>215549321
>>People defending this change when it's blatantly just ROTS palpatine
ROTS palpatine is palpatine, as opposed to woman with cheap mask and monkey eyes. imagine defending that crap and dilate over it being gone KEK

>>215549391
>he'd record the audio of the movie in his car at the drive in and listen to it like a radio

My God, he was based.

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>>215549391
>>Told me stories about how he'd record the audio of the movie in his car at the drive in and listen to it like a radio show back in the day
that's cute anon.

i've listened to a few of those Lux Radio Theatre adaptations of films. maybe i'm not getting the full spectacle of watching Captain Blood (1935) on the big screen, but i am listening to the actors tell me the story into my ears (and also how much they enjoy Lux Toilet Soap).

>>215543792
You're a movie for little children.

>>215549657
>The Troonen Show