Why can't we just get another Star Trek show in the same vein of TNG or DS9 that's simply kino and not trash?
isn't there a new series coming with a trans klingon?
>>215544181The people capable of making it are all dead or retired.
Is there any modern show that is episodic anymore? I don't think people can make shows that tell a self contained story in 45 minutes anymore. They can only make 12 hour long movies.
>>215544181It was always woke and gay.
>>215544181jews have moved on from this level of subtle subversion. This is on the level of "why can't we have Archie Bunker back with a liberal son and a black neighbor". We are so deep in the rabbit hole that's never coming back. "Conservatives" now love trannies, blacks, jews.Whether it's true or not, the cultural zeitgeist is already at "women can do jobs that men can do", "black man can be warriors and a good father", "magical negroes give best advice", "inter-species relationships are fine", etc, etc.
I loved TNG and DS9 and if I want to scratch that itch, will Voyager or Enterprise do it? I realize they're not as good.
>>215544371Voyager will once you get to season 4
>>215544206That would require a team of creative writers who actually love sci-fi beyond Star Wars and Wrath of Khan. Modern writers are unimaginative and hollow minded. They think they wrote something smart because it reflects real life, but forget to actually make a point or present a thought-provoking idea. Shows as basic as the A-Team will never be made today because the idea of writing 20+ episodes for a season, each with a unique plot that works completely by itself, is simply unfathomable for them.
>>215544397didn't they set us up for a captain seven show at the end of picard?why are they not making that?
Because that show was written by competent, passionate writers with worldly experience and acquired tastes of history and literature.
>>215544206>I don't think people can make shows that tell a self contained story in 45 minutes anymore/thread
>>215544603It turns out she became some kind of rogue freedom fighter special forces laser blasting commando attack bitch in picard
>>215544181Because Ron Moore and Ira Behr moved on from Star Trek. Michael Piller died.Doesn't seem there are any competent show runners or a team of writers in GenX or GenY. All infected with pozzed faggotry and muh representation.Many of us knew that it went down the tubes with the prequel shit, then Abrams pissed on it's corpse. Kurtzman is exactly the wrong person to run Star Trek.I see now that the initially-lauded SNW has turned into pozzed trash, even though it's fucking stupid they are doing the Kirk-era yet again. Fuck prequels.Many say that Frakes should run the franchise, but he just agrees with the current thing so he can keep getting directing work in Trek.
>>215544371Voyager will, kind of. Enterprise won't really.Next on your list would be McFarlane's show Orville. Which does a decent job of capturing that TNG feel when it's not trying to hard to be funny (that cools off aster the first season).After that you'll have to go with other 90s Sci-fi. Stargate won't do much in terms of that far futurism, but it's a good "planet of the week" show and the cast has goo chemistry.
We did with Picard season 3
>>215544371I love VOY, but it's very inconsistent. Essentially TNG lite, with some TOS isolation and alien of the week similarities.Clearly the DS9 writers room was FAR superior. On VOY, they also couped based Michael Piller off the show, and let Braga and Berman fuck it up.Yes, Seven is hot, but it just becomes a three character show after that, and they no longer gave a single fuck about developing the rest of the cast.I wanted to like ENT, but I can't do prequels. Especially with how dated TOS looked, and we're supposed to buy that ENT is 115 years before.Now imagine how much I hate the direction Trek took after that. I'd rather that Star Trek had ended entirely, then to be zombified by pozzed faggots like this.
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>>215544678This. TNG/DS9 had all references to classic literature, theater and cinema woven into their writing . And they trusted the audience to understand the references without having to spell them out. They also trusted us to follow the plot and pay attention to key details. Modern writers only understand social media trends and the oppression matrix. TNG/DS9 were so timeless they could pass for being made today.
>>215544181Be the change you want to see.Write the scripts.Draw the story boards.Use AI to bring it to life.
>>215546965made me laugh, also accurate
>>215544181Orville.
>>215546676I don't see why it wouldn't check out ENT is set a century before tos. The Enterprise in ENT was literally designed to look like a modern submarine because ship design wasn't streamlined for comfort yet, only function. The crew doesn't wear colorful elegant uniforms because they aren't an branch yet, they're very much just a submarine crew of people who barely know their way around their ship. It makes sense that in a century they would have a comfortable ship and colorful uniforms.
>>215546982>They also trusted us to follow the plot and pay attention to key details.the browner the audience gets, the more culture gets replaced with explosions and reddit quips
>>215544181because those shows were cringe. every episode had a big speech, some posturing, some grown-ass men acting like middle schoolers around women. They knew the target audience and they featured it.
>>215544206The Orville.
>>215544371Unironically the most trek trek i enjoyed since DS9 ended was Star Trek Online as a Romulan character. It's very DS9 coded if you can give it the benefit of the doubt and put up with the fact its a video game. You get a neat little storyline that blends monster of the week "episodes"(missions) with a slowly building larger narrative that culminates with a huge threat and a massive war... which itself is rather undercooked and everything that comes after is a bit garbage.
>ENT taken off JUST when it started getting amazing I'll never not be mad. Someone should have been killed for this
>>215547888>it gets good bro just tough it out for the first 90 episodesI'm glad I dropped it halfway through the pilot.
>>215547952You're right, and that's as someone that will go to bat for ENT. It starts off so poorly that I don't blame a single person for dropping it, but it does eventually become a pretty good show once it gets its footing.
>>215544517Keep in mind that TNG was rehashing its own plots by the end, and that’s to say nothing of the TOS plots they rehashed
>>215547952That wasnt a recommendation. The last season was great for like 15 episodes when finally got its heading. Its frustrating and stupid and you shouldn't blueball yourself with it.
>>215547876I love STO and still play it. It gave me the future of Trek, what I wanted; not more prequels. Sadly, it did also get pozzed with nuTrek crap.Then PIC's canon came along after a decade and took a shit on it as well.
Does anyone know or remember if there were any serious pitches for a post-DS9 and post-VOY series before they settled on ENT?
>>215548144I feel like they had no choice but to go with a prequel to recapture the magic. There were then over 1000 episodes of Star Trek and every good story and theme covered, from peace, to war, to being lost alone in the galaxy. You have to go back to the origin for new themes at that point. That or say fuck it and release another Netflix slop style 12 hour movie.
>>215548144Not sure, Paramount rushed them into doing another show as VOY was ending it's run.Somehow, they decided to go into the prequel route, which doomed the franchise in many people's eyes. Had ENT been adapted to be a 25c show, and was not held to canon that they broke anyway, it could have worked.Had they not bothered with the Abrams films, or just stuck with TNG ones (yes, Stewart and Spiner essentially fucked them), and just did another TV series set after VOY, without the pozzed crap, it could have succeeded. However, Star Trek definitely needed a long rest at that point.
>>215547990>It starts off so poorly that I don't blame a single person for dropping itThe funny thing is that, in retrospect, it's much less worse. People were just jaded on Trek after the decline of DS9 toward the end, and the shitshow of Voyager and the TNG movies, so there was a real refusal to embrace anything that wasn't traditionally, immediately good. While Enterprise has a shaky start, it's entirely watchable, and the forced sexualization is a fairly novel concept these days.People also forget that most STar Trek series have rough first seasons. i don't think there's anything in ENT Season 1 that's worse than TNG or even Voyager's early missteps. People were just really salty about Trek by then and looking for excuses to be inflammatory unless it was perfect.
>>215548287TNG is my favorite show and even I agree it had been milked to shit even before the films. The actors wanted to move on. Nobody should be expected to play the same character for over a decade. There are limitless stories to tell in the Star Trek universe that don’t center on the Ent-D.
>>215546310>Next on your list would be McFarlane's show Orville. Which does a decent job of capturing that TNG feel when it's not trying to hard to be funny (that cools off aster the first season).I dropped The Orville half-way through season 1 because I felt the humor ruined the Star Trek feeling. It's a shame because if they'd just taken it seriously, like Star Trek, it would be great, but everything has to be a joke. Maybe I should try again and skip to season 2.
>>215548343I remember watching tng and then ds9 and voy and thinking star trek could only get better, it was amazing. then enterprise was a fucking prequel and its so immensely boring literally who the fuck cares. you've built this immense canon and then you walk away from it for retcon bullshit in a techno primitive version of trek even worse than tos. I went back to books
>>215548450The Orville just doesn’t have the acting or writing to be a proper successor to TNG. Seth McFarlane is not a live action leading man. His wheelhouse is voice acting and singing. He should have been a producer and cast another stage actor like Stewart and Shatner for the lead.
>>215548579>"WAHHHHH, MUH CANON! MUH CONTINUITY!"You sound like a tasteless faggot and I'm glad you were deprived from getting what you wanted.
>>215548048Exactly, STO was perfectly fine when it was it's own little timeline with it's own little issues and story. It quite literally died when they decided to abandon that and leave perhaps THEIR MOST ANTICIPATED EXPANSION YET completely half-done because they just HAD to release a plug-in episode with Discovery which turned out to be it's own little complete shitshow that carried over to STO as a result.Now shit is a mess because you have 7 gorrylion different design styles in the game it literally feels like a bland nostalgia-bait reference soup.The fact that they decided the literally most hated part of ENT - time travel and multiverse shenanigans should be the core of literally every new story as every arc became about just yet another asspull other-dimensional threat. The early arc up until the Iconian War are still solid and a good play though, barring the parts they gutted to "re-work" and never add back. I still DEARLY miss the original Klingon War with the Guardian of Forever.
>>215544199>isn't there a new series coming with a trans klingon?trans klingons would be fine if it was in a TNG show, instead od a woke millennial anti-trek show
>>215548748I got what I wanted in tng ds9 and voy can't you read
>>215546965kek
>>215548389Stewart and Spiner wanted to move on. The rest of the cast would have been happy to keep making movies.Seems like the movies should have been spaced out every five years, instead of two or four. They burned out too quickly.It was also sad that there never was the Captain Riker or Captain Worf show that people kept talking about. Basically a continuation of 90s Trek and all the crossover possibilities. Plus, if they had to do a prequel, there was the idea in the 90s of a Sulu on the Excelsior series, which would have been much more accessible than going back 227 years before 'Endgame'.
>>215549044AI will do all of that for you inside of five years.
Imagine if they made a show that was 4:3 episodic autism Enterprise space adventures with 0 modern writing tropes. Imagine the insane hype.
>>215544603Because the people in charge of Star Trek would rather make more stuff like the Section 31 movie
>>215549357It is sad that as based as DS9 and the Dominion War plot was, these modern hacks cannot leave Section 31 alone.They keep trying to apply DS9's 'seedy frontier of paradise' to the rest of the Federation and making it corrupt and dark. It's sad that just about all alpha and beta canon has the Federation being a lot more bitter and cynical after the DW; especially when compared to burgerland's euphoria and growth post-WW2. Star Trek is supposed to be hopeful, now it's nothing but cynicism, more obvious references to the present day, and prequels.
>>215548831A trans Klingon would be a metaphor in the TNG era. Like those androgynous aliens who were a metaphor for gays. Now they put a Klingon in a skirt and call it a day. No effort.
>>215544371About one in ten Voyager episodes has entertainment value, about one in twenty Enterprise. Compared to maybe 1 in 2 for TNG and DS9.
>>215549862lol jesus what a hook to the liver
>>215550295man somehow the faggy head tilt is as bad as the skirt and leggings
>>215548144Neel'c.
we want to but we lost the technology
>>215544181That show existed, it was called The Orville. It got three seasons and was well received.
>>215548450Season 3 especially has almost no humor as it was on Hulu at that point and he had the freedom to just make the show he wanted (which was just more TNG).
