So why are there no more musical geniuses like Mozart of Beethoven anymore?
>>215550079I really dislike that movie because of the performance of that actor. I'm all done pretending that it's a good film. Not sure why I ever did.
>>215550079Ummm actually acclaimed music critic Ezra Goldberg’s review of the new MC Bixnood album begs to differ.
>>215550104>I really dislike that movie because of the performance of that actor. I'm all done pretending that it's a good film. Not sure why I ever did.seethe salieri
>>215550079Because music, like art, became something you do for money. Not something you sought to seek mastery of to show off for fellow elites. That's why the phrase "professional artist" is an oxymoron
>>215550104>
>>215550079there are, they're just semi-anonymous producers nowalso Mozarts talents in modern day would be useless and you would've never heard him
>>215550079one just died a couple weeks ago>>215550148Interesting point, I know many artists were supported by elites who were their patrons, funding them and such, for the association with a genus. I always wondered why this practice couldn't come back today.
>>215550079Hmm sweaty that's gross, stop reaffirming white supremacist notions of music
>>215550079?
>>215550172Mozart born today would have been more popular than Taylor Swift. His compositions were a product of the historical period he existed within.
>>215550079Never heard of deadmau5?
>>215550079https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Martin
Music has essentially been solved, modern popular music is mostly just regurgitating older stuff. It's like painting or sculpting, there's nothing truly new to be found in there. Everything has been done.
>>215550079The quality of autistic people has dropped down significantly and Mozart is the perfect example of this.
>>215550202The opera is supposed by like 5 patrician families. It would not still exist without them
>>215550211>Mozart born today would have been more popular than Taylor Swift. His compositions were a product of the historical period he existed within.that assumes the world still cares about composersmozart was famous because his era valued that kind of talentborn today he’d just be some guy posting perfect symphonies to youtube for 2k views
>>215550148Almost every great artist did it for money, what are you talking about
>>215550219Basedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ki9h7CWipbo
>>215550079Rap and hip-hop destroyed music
They just made a Bruce Springsteen movie
There are somehttps://youtu.be/b8SkX9CSJQo?t=97
>>215550079John Adams or maybe Hans Zimmer is close I think, but there just isn't the same amount of prestige in being a classical musical artist these days, even though they do the majority of heavy lifting for cinema. I know before John Williams it felt like movie music in general was less refined in its ability to evoke a scene's emotion. Like, they were lucky if they could get the beats synchronized with what was happening.
>>215550079There are hundreds of musical geniuses, they're just not popular. Also they don't do classical music, that shit is done
>>215550268no, he wouldn't be a master at symphonies because born in the modern day he'd be exposed to modern music
>>215550079We are trained since childhood to be productive members of society. Dedicating your life to art is not productive.A modern Mozart might be a doctor of psychiatry or something.
Ennio Morricone mogs both of them
>>215550293Yeah because he's jewish
>>215550148Music is a form of art, and sadly, it has a permanent bond to the social circumstances of its time. We live in a shit time, so we get shit art. Also what you mention is true, profit on top of expression is never a good combo.
>>215550343>>215550365Movie composing is something modern day composers have to fall back on because nobody pays them to write the music they actually want. John Williams said he didn't care about his film scores and it's the case for any serious musician who makes film scores. Someone like Hans Zimmer is just a merchant, he would have been someone like Offenbach 200 years ago.
>>215550148>Who is William Shakespeare
>>215550079Mozart and Beethoven were just the rock stars of their days , very talented musicians sure but they weren't really as "genius" as people think they were and more a product of their time. Beethoven was famously retarded when it came to math, actually.
>>215550079because the age of enlightenment was the peak of europe and humanity and everything went downhill since, it was based on aristocratic autistic kids being extremely educated one-on-one and having all the power time and funding to do whatever they wanted. >>215550226i despise when people say this, "dude these swedish proodoocers are like modern day mozarts!". its probably a meme that originated from these guys themselves. top 40 popularity doesn't equal genius or talent, these "hits" are designed and not due to genius, its a multifactor scheme of industry planting based on data collection and sophisticated multi-level marketing, his association with backstreet boys should tell you all you need to know if you knew shit about modern music. they tell people what is popular before it becomes popular without their knowledge.
>>215550079Yeah but can they play freebird?
>>215550570A massive firewall needs to be erected around India
>>215550079There is another
>>215550079>>>/mu/But Aphex Twin is just that
Was Mozart supposed to be autistic?
>>215550079music is largely a solved game, the only thing left to do is scrape the bottom of the barrel. not interesting to smart people
>>215550079Music became obtainable to the masses. This is why you always need gate keeping for eveything
>>215550079https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B027ST9E6zE
>>215550079bladee? nettspend? femtanyl?
>>215550715Its only solved for the masses. 4/4 time signature in the key of g major for happy songs and A minor for sad songs. Most people wont enjoy anything more complex
>>215550104Immature giggly irresponsible reckless genius is le heckin gay
>>215550079Because the music industry is dominated by female and black artists thanks to the Jew producers that control the industry.
>>215550079no clue. think it's because music is now only allowed to be propaganda instead of expression.
>>215550079Music was somewhat new during their time so they got first dibs on making masterpieces. It's like asking why aren't there any prolific inventors like Thomas Edison anymore?
>>215550079Isn't all of the best selling pop music of the past couple decades actually written by some guys in Sweden?
>>215550079It's not like there were musical geniuses like them in their past either. They are just rare geniuses.
>>215550668Yep, all the insanely talented producers are now just on the cutting edge of electronic music with shit that basically sounds incomperehensible to the average person.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm0zuCSnfY8
>>215550164Salieri's daughter was cute.
>>215550980such audiokino it gave me a seizure
>>215550652Blood bitch nigger I'll fuck you in the ass
>>215550207Music is racist now. Wow
>>215550652They would erect the biggest poop the West has ever seen
>>215551111Always was. Nice double triple.
>>215550079>BRAAAAAAPHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
the geniuses are drowned out by the oceans of shit
>>215551111>now
>>215550079too many 1-in-million geniuses, making it hard for the 1-in-billion genius to stand out and there's so many 1-in-million musical geniuses now because everyone has more free time and the resources to figure out if they are one. before 1900, how would a random peasant even know?
>>215550079The world that gave us Mozart and Beethoven ended in 2012 like the Mayans said and now we're stuck with Bobby Shmurda, Billie Eilish, and Megan Thee Stallion. At least we still have Bruce Springsteen, Billy Joel, and two of the Beatles though even though they're all old now.
>>215550331Based Ludovicoposter
>>215550079>Kanye>Taylor Swift>Drake>The WeekndAll bigger then Morzat Beethoven
>>215551366The only one of those that's good is Kanye, and only up to Lamborghini Mercy.
>>215550079because this cocksucking drummer joined our band who heavily criticized us and lowered the self esteem of my rhythm and lead guitarists who eventually stopped caring about practice.
>>215550823It's literally all you need to know, everything else is alternative shit that academy musicians force themselves to like to look "intellectual". I swear I've seen more than 5 musicians ruin their music by appealing to music snobs instead of making what they like. Literally the same as artists making "banana on a wall".
>>215550079There are, they are called Trayvon and Shaniqua these days and they are lyrical geniuses like>uuuh>i fuck white bitches>and i sell drugs>and i have moneyGuaranteed hit.
>>215551228The guy who write this definitely has double digit IQ
>>21555029080s-2000s rap was good. Drill and mumble rap was what killed it.
>>215551438lmao
>>215551557>80s rapIs corny nursery rhyme shit
If Mozart was around today he wouldn't be making classical music. I think Vindsval from Blut Aus Nord and Tobias Mockl from Paysage d'Hiver are geniuses. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEVJEOnWimo
>>215550207lmao zoom into this absolute SOIGOLEM musicologist TRANNY FAGGOT seething in 4K HD while slurping estrogen lattes from his BUGMAN pod. this cuck’s coping harder than a Reddit mod banning “hate speech” after getting ratio’d by a gigachad Beethoven enjoyer. “d-denouncing trap is WHITE SUPREMACY!!1!” nah bitch, it’s just your 85-IQ monkey earholes getting MOGGED by 200 years of Aryan god-composer kino. trap is literally what happens when a welfare nigger steals FL Studio, auto-tunes his felon mumble over a loop he jacked from SoundCloud, then calls it “culture” while sagging pants full of grape drank. meanwhile Ludwig van drops the 9th symphony that makes angels nut and you need a 140+ IQ to even parse the counterpoint, but muh “elite white art bad” cope harder, faggot. absolute KEK, I bet this jewish kike trooned out and i hope he got bombed in Israel studying how “influential” l(ala subversive) Chief Queef is to western countries, preferably the latter. Kike nigger lovers eternally BTFO, have a based day chuds
>>215550079The world that produced those kind of once in a lifetime geniuses no longer exists. We only got a handful from each century anyways.
there is a lack of training for artists. and with the modern industry it's easier to pump out music with the current setup. its fast music
>>215550104yeah I can only see him as the guy from animal house.
>>215550211maybe. maybe not. these days marketing is very important to push the music product. and if he cant vibe with the current generation of listeners then the industry would move on from him or move him to the production studio so he can ghost write for a more marketable singer like ice spice.
>>215550248So where do we go from here? Music is quite possible the greatest art form ever and it makes me sad to see good music becoming extinct
>>215550148Mozart and Beethoven made music for money. In fact in their day music was a skilled trade, which is why e.g.: Bach composed over 1000 works. Now any retard with a laptop can do the digital equivalent of banging rocks together and people will lap it up like the starved dogs they are.
>>215550079Great artists are autistsAutists are diverted from paths of greatness to instead be redstone engineers in minecraft.
Thom Yorke is alive
>>215551935This is just further proof of how far music has fallen.
>>215550253Autistic people remain the same, there is just more for them to randomly fixate into. Back in the day there was basically the arts, religion or academics. Now there's a fuckton of possible things for them to hyperfixate into, most not all too useful like Sonic the Hedgehog.
>>215550079>So why are there no more musical geniuses like Mozart of Beethoven anymore?Hans Zimmer mogs both of those turds easily
>>215550248>Music has essentially been solvedWhat the HELL are you talking about
Toby Fox
>>215550207You can't have preferences anymore?If you prefer trap (the music style) to Beethoven it is OK, but not the opposite?
>>215553264Only if you ascribe intellectual or moral value to preferring Beethoven, which you should, because his music is intellectually and morally superior.
>>215553140I would think it's the type of person who experiences something new and reduces it down to "Wow isn't that just exactly like ______? Very original (sarcastic)" their mind is already too crowded and crystalized to allow themselves to see things as they are rather than as they compare. It saves mental energy to generalize where there's nuance: heuristics
>>215554361>experiences something newYour argument is based on a faulty premise
>>215553264Shitlibs are tyrannical moral relativists. The worst shit eating ooga booga noises MUST be made equal to the pinnacle of European art, because waycism bad and White Supremacy lurks around every corner and must be defeated by them, the Good Guys™
>>215550079We peaked. Culture is in decline for 200 years now. I don't fully agree with this book but it makes sense. Schnittke was the last true great composer.
>>215550079>forgetting dababy
>>215553438Why do you have to tell lies? The beloved classical masters were indistinguishable from the drug-addled philandering musicians of today. They all cheated on their wives (or in the case of Beethoven, never married but had affairs with married women). Berloiz and Chopin went on opium benders. Beethoven was violent and irritable. Mozart arguably invented the modern concept of ass-eating (Leck mich im Arsch). Tchaikovsky was a homo and killed himself by getting cholera on purpose.Please kill yourself at the earliest convenience.
>>215554476It's a given assumption, not a premise
>>215550211Mozart born today would have been John Williams or Danny Elfman, something like that, pop music is not classical music, it is 20th century folk.
>>215550079Didn't you hear Salieri's father in the movie? "You want to be a trained monkey?"
>Why are there no more musical geniusesDream TheaterPrimusRushAphex TwinBoards of CanadaBurial
>>215554898Primus fucking sucks.
Classical musicians aren't so much geniuses,you think of them that way because they wore fancy suits and powdered wigs. and frilly doilies as scarfs
>>215554720That's fine because there's no argument either
>>215554968This.Composers were just ancient FL Studio producers
>>215550079did you forget somebody?
>>215550079OF Beethoven? You fucking retard. You meant OR.
>>215555019You say it. It must be true.
>>215550208Why is she so obsessed with scat and poop in her songs?
>>215550207How about you stop switching "sweetie" to "sweaty" like a fucking cunt?Stupid incel.
>>215550079After Amadeus he didn't do a movie role for 2 years and never really got back into fame? He openly gay, only 2.5 net worth
>he's never heard of Burzum
>>215555190You seem to be sweating right now, sweaty
>>215555019Well, if you’re saying something is “solved,” that implies there was a problem to begin with. So it’s not a bad assumption, because what kind of “problems” could there even be with music itself that need solving?
>>215554710>Why do you have to tell lies? The beloved classical masters were indistinguishable from the drug-addled philandering musicians of today. They all cheated on their wives [and] had affairs with married women. Berloiz and Chopin went on opium benders. Beethoven was violent and irritable. Mozart arguably invented the modern concept of ass-eatingDamn, they're literally me?
It's hard to make anything new. Metal went retarded with their 50 different subgenres and 5/8s step down whatever. I don't even know how music could be advanced further, maybe integration of ASMR.
>>215551388Kanyes best music is in the last decade though, Yandhi is the peak
All music is gay. Music is for gay faggots and women
>>215555532Kanye's kinda like Mel Gibson in that you have to be very good at separating the art from the artist when evaluating them. I personally think that Kanye and Mel are both absolute geniuses. Unfortunately, I can't stand Ye's music or Mel's films
>>215550202It is, pretty much every known "artist" is a nepo baby. And now with AI people with skills can't make even a meager living with art anymore, so only the nepo babies will remain. You have to have some sort of a system where 90% of art related jobs (commercial art/music/technical writing/etc.) and art-adjacent jobs (from making paint brushes to being the cable guy in a recording studio) still exist to produce proper writers, artists, musicians etc. But all those jobs are gone.
For me, it's DeBussy
>>215555747>Kanye is a geniusDo mutts really?
>>215550079Kendrick Lamar is the new Beethoven and Mozart rolled into one
>>215555781>t. shlomo
>>215555781Kanye is absolutely a genius
>>215555810>>215555819He just chops up 60s/70s soul songs and loops them, how is that genius in any way?
>>215555696>being this spiritually emptyGet well soon
>>215555958thats only a small part of what he does
>>215555478Metal is fucking unbearable anymore>sick thall breaux>psshhh its blackened techdeath grind, ackchually, you can tell because of the djents and hearing quite a few blastbeats in my time
>>215550079They play power metal nowaday.
>>215550079>So why are there no more musical geniuses like Mozart of Beethoven anymore?because the social media economy values shitting out content over making quality
>>215555747Ah, the old 4chan switcheroo.
>>215555696Specifically gay faggots that have anal sex in the ass using their penis with other men for the purpose of pleasure
>>215550079the only young people who get opportunities are niggers, foids and 6' 5" chads. manlets get filtered out very early on
>>21555007970s Mike Oldfield
>>215556084Metal is ultimately just Bach sped up, like all rock music
>>215550847mozarts gf is hotter than yours
>>215550522The dude who wrote all those gay plays they make you read in highschool. Retard.
Im summing something happened or someone on Twitter said something or else you wouldn't be having this conversation.
>>215550366No, but his agent is!
>>215550079Isn't Megan Thee Stallion enough for you?
>>215550148>became something you do for moneyMusic has always been something done for money.
>>215550208I have no idea who this is but she looks very kino
Kanye
>>215550208This based woman singlehandedly destroyed a multi-decade multi-billion billion dollar psyop, trying to normalize pussy eating amongst the lower classes. >he a munch
>>215550148You have no fucking clue about art and the history of art lmao.
>>215550148I'd also add: ease of creation brought in legions of incompetents. This is especially evident in contemporary times, when computers have erased any of the difficulty or work in creating art and AI is removing even the most basic effort required. Composers couldn't get into music cheaply back then. Everything was expensive and required craftsmanship, from the instruments to the paper they wrote on. It was a lot of effort just to get started and they had to prove they had the talent to get patronage to begin. They had to spend hours personally researching every aspect of their music, they had to seek out instruments and sit there and listen to them and figure out how they composited together.
>>215550079Avey Tare and Panda Bear
