Is there any chance this will be good and not woke?
>>215554894My friend, it's a modern day continuation of an IP that's older than 10 years. There's not a chance it will be good.
>>215554894>implying the original wasn't woke for its time
>>215554952>woke for its timeIs this how zoomers cope with almost every piece of media hating white heterosexual men?
>>215554894>Disney >Ugly lead It's over before it even began bro at least we have like 7 seasons of prime Buffy
>>215554952It really wasn't, the most "woke" park of it was Willow being a lesbian and it took them 4 seasons before they actually made that happen. There's surprisingly little feminism aside from the comical "misogynist" nerd villains of season 6 and Buffy's speech in the series finale
>>21555495290s/00s woke is bearablepost 2010 woke is insufferable. I dont know why
>>215555127Whedon is a massive male feminist, anon. The whole show is a girl power fantasy
>>215555099When buffy the vampire slayer was on air, Willow and Tara's relationship was officially illegal in 14 states.
I blame Kathryn Bigelow for the fall of western civilization
>>215554894Yes
>>215554894>not wokeOh boy, the glavset's here.
>>215555164you can marry your 12 y/o sister in 14 states
>>215555161No he isn't, he's a pervert into female domination pretending to be a male feminist, his "girl power" stuff is just him wanting a super powered chick to step on him
>>215554952Boy woke was great at the time.
>>215555197Like big Harv, perverts make good shit.
>>215555196It's nice those states stopped being Islamophobic.
>>215555099bro it was a series about a strong female girl who kicks ass, even if she goes through teenage drama with angle and other bfs in college etcIt's still mostly a female-centric cast, there's a black girl here, a lesbian relationship there, her friends are mostly all nerds and loners and outcasts.Of course the modern reboot is going to be full of even more quirky chungus tik tok reddit epic nerd woke zoomer culture.
>>215554894How can it be woke? she's wearing a racist dogwistle
>>215555127Even the original scooby gang is a 90s reject incel and an autistic jewish intellectual that were both getting bullied by cordelia and the other popular mean girls.
>>215555099>>215555164>>215555270I meant to say every piece of media NOW hates white heterosexual men. I agree the reboot will most likely be shit.
>>215555335the "incel" you mention pulled tons of chicks and the "autistic jewish intellectual" was just a simple nerdy girl, who btw wanted to fuck said "incel." You don't know what the fuck you're talking about or are just being dishonest
>>215555161>Whedon is a massive male feministHAHAHAHAHAHAH weeeee lad, you need some update on your Whedon Lore.
>>215555391Typically characters change over 144 episodes of television, even in highly episodic shows.
>>215555335in what fucking way was Xander an incel?he pulled the school ice queen and tons of other baddies. He also was in the hyena pack and the swimming team ffsIn fact he was more of a "nice guy" (pretending to be a feminist while just wanting to fuck every girl around) and an obvious Whedon self-insert that way
>>215555391>>215555470This, they grow and change over time but first-season xander and willow are supposed to be the lowest of the low in the high school social hierarchy.Did Xander even have any male friends
>>215555470they did change, Xander became a carpenter who no longer gave a shit about how people perceived him, and accepted himself. Willow, admittedly the worst character, became a super witch who licked slayer pussy
>>215555513Think about who he is before the show starts, genius
>>215555567>Did Xander even have any male friendsJesse, who dies in episode 2
>>215555513He spent like 3 seasons being bullied by cordelia, he missed out on his childhood best friend like some anime dork, and when he finally had sex it was more or less against his will and not all pleasant.
Looks good so far!
>>215555270Blacks are nearly nonexistent in Buffy. Kendra is in like 3 episodes.
>>215555592a handsome nerd whose female best friend wants his dick so bad she can't stand it
>>215555606RIP to a real one
>>215554894It'll be a thing
>>215555638>Blacks are nearly nonexistent in Buffy. Kendra is in like 3 episodes.That's fine, they had the movie Blade and its sequels.
>>215555211Wesley and Cordelia showed us that older men could kiss high school girls.Wesley and Lilah was even hotter tho
>>215555688
>>215555592a regular dude in high school, neither popular nor a total outcast. the fact you dont have a GF immediately when reaching puberty doesnt make you an incel nigger. You are so fucking retarded you dont understand who the actual incels are in Buffy (Warren, Jonathan and the third loser; the wanabe frankensteins...)
>>215555623all 4at the same time
>>215555623holy shit it's gonna be great. nothing Gen A tits and ass and absolutely brainless, with Mommy Buffy.
>>215555623is the first one the nu Buffy actress? she looks perfect holy shit
>>215555709this is why Angel was the superior series, by a mile.
>>215555614>not all pleasantdid you even watch the fucking show? lmaohe was so enthralled by Faith's rough fuck, he would space out while trying to evade the zombies gang the same night ("Holy crap I just had sex!" or something like that)Unlike you Xander wasnt a faggot.
>>215554894I will never watch this so I hope it's woke just so the right wing pedophiles here won't be able to enjoy it
>>215555780It wasn't, yes it had some amazing character moments especinally in the 4th and 5th seasons, but it mever had the charm and rewatchability of Buffy. I can watch a Buffy episode any time in any mood and rewatch the whole series every 3-4 years. Angel? Eh
>>215555457I see you know nothing about male feminists
>>215555780Angel's seasons 1 & 2 are shit. It picks up in season 3 and the last season is pure kino, true. In fact, it might be the single most WTF moment I have ever seen on tv when the bad guys firm just hand the keys to Angel and his gang. actual genius writing
>>215555746No unfortunately thats one of the nu Scoobies This is nu Buffy
>>215555871ah damn. this one looks OK but more like a nu Faith to me. She seems a little too cold for Buffy.
>>215554894Whedon isn't involved so it may not be woke but it doesn't matter because it won't be good. Cruel prick though he may have been, Whedon was the creative reason the show was good.
>>215555197This
>>215555555
Would you let psycho Faith fuck you to death? She had that Xenia Onnatop vibe
>>215556135Of course.
>>215556147
>>215556135>Would you let psycho Faith fuck you to death?I would even let the giant mantis french teacher fuck me to death. In fact, I would let every single girl in Buffy, including Buffy's mom but especially Faith, Darla, Drusilla, Anya and Gloria, fuck me to death.Except Tara, she was an ugo.
>>215556188Buffy's mom is hot as fuck.
>>215556147>>215556158That never happened to Wesley Crusher.
>>215554894Buffy WAS "woke" by your standards, for 1997.
>>215555119she's not remotely ugly
>>215556188Amy the rat was hot af.
Cast is actually full of cute girls so far, that's surprising.
>>215555709>Giles starts as "stuffy rigid British authority figure">Develops as a character to have more dimensions>Add Wesley to fill the game of "stuffy rigid British authority figure" times two>Develops as a character to have more dimensionsBy then it wasn't necessary to have a third one but it's funny how much he changed from his debut in Buffy to his ending.
>>215555871Alright I'm back on board but Disney will find a way to make this lame somehow
Ryan a cute
>>215556283yeah and her crazy bitch mom was even hotter.Glorious 90's-00's TV era where every actress was super hot. watching Buffy at 12 gave me crazy fucking standards kek
>>215556354for all you want to say about whedon, at least he's straight and has kino taste in girls he wants to fuck, his shows' casting couches should be in a museum
>>215556081This, the thing about this revival that makes me suspicious is that it's an attempt to free "Buffy" from its associations with a jerk (though I have trouble understanding why he's still canceled and other jerks are not), and "Buffy" is Joss Whedon, just like "Seinfeld" is Larry David and Jerry Seinfeld. Even scenes he didn't rewrite are written in imitation of his voice.Some shows can go on with others but the whole point of "Buffy" is that it's a completely absurd idea that only Whedon would have thought to take semi-seriously, sort of like "Mad Men" is an idea that the creator sort of forced the world to be interested in.
>>215556354>Glorious 90's-00's TV era where every actress was super hot.You're telling me. The actress who played the sexbot in "I Was Made to Love You" also played a nerdy girl (!) and villain-of-the-week on Smallville. She had a few bit parts on other shows in the 00's and then just disappeared. There were tons of babes like that.
>>215556282word
>>215556864Whedon’s writing style has aged incredibly badly though, thanks to the MCU adopting it after he did Avengers. This will likely be bad, but not worse than his quips.
None these bitches have hairy forearms. I only watched Buffy for SMG's forearm hair. Same for Charmed and Alyssa/Shannen.
>>215554894>will the woke franchise remain wokeProbably
>>215556937There are movies from the 40s that are filled with snappy dialog and pop culture references. Whedon didn't invent shit.
>>215554894Ryan is an incredibly shitty actress, so probably not.
>>215557021No she isn't.
>>215554894>disney>no joss>no mutant enemy at all>written by women>actress as EP>created by woman>mantra is taking back muh female characters from the monster man who actually created themYeah, I'm sure it'll be great.
>>215557039Yeah she is. Go get a real job, shill.
>>215557127>quotes himself, with screencaps, no less>calls someone else a shill
>>215557127This bizarre overreaction to a random post instantly tells me you're an autist operating on some kind of spastic grudge.
>>215556887That’s a kid
>>215554894zero.
>>215555211jesus christ willow is hot
>>215554894new buffy is hot so I'll watchshe'll probably whore out if it flops so we can look forward to that
>>215556282
>>215554894built for a tiny dicked pedophile such as myself.
>>215556282Pizza time!
>>215554952The original is alright.
>>215558433o7
>>215554894They are creatively bankrupt, and unable to make original content. They just rob the past for its celebrated content then smear as being nostalgia.
>>215558433I will never get over this
>>215558612>>215558704
>>215558433May she rest in peace.
>>215558704>>215558735>>215558754>Michelle Christine Trachtenberg was born on October 11, 1985, in New York City, to Lana, a bank manager, and Michael Trachtenberg, a fiber-optics manager.[2] Her parents were Jewish immigrants; her father was from Germany and her mother was from Odesa (Ukraine).[3] At the time, it was the Ukrainian SSR.[4][5][6] Her mother spoke Russian, because Russian is the native language of most Ukrainian Jews. Her mother helped her learn some Russian for a role in 2013.[7] In an interview in November 2013, Trachtenberg said that her father had died recently.[8] Her grandparents reside in Israel.[9]
>>215558900I don't care.
>>215558900Every time
The original show is garbage, so can't say I'll care if this one is too. >>215555145If you stop and think about it, that's how one gave way to the other. >>215555197Not mutually exclusive.
>>215559062>anon either attempts to feign shock that longtime /tv/ waifu Michelle Trachtenberg is jewish, or doesn't know who she is in the first placeSo you're either an idiot or a zoomer, possibly both.
>>215555623ID on the middle?
>>215554952>show isn't a 1950s conservatard sitcom>poltards: "IT'S WOKE IT'S WOKE IT'S WOKE."In the first season alone Buffy is killed by a man and has to be saved by a man and the 2nd season is about her becoming a useless whore because she gave up her v card to a predatory dude. Buffy is constantly shown to be a fuck up femoid who makes bad womanly decisions that needs to be bailed out by men in her life and every time a dude bails on her she breaks down and becomes nigh useless. And that's not getting into how every girl that isn't a slayer or has some other super power is just a victim in waiting while ordinary dudes with no powers like Giles and Xander and Wesley are constantly saving the day.It's an incredibly based show for the time, retards just can't see past "super powered woman fights competently sometimes?!"
>>215559184>"super powered woman fights competently sometimes?!"That excuse has never held water before, no reason to apply it here. You could defend Rey or Captain Marvel the same way.
>>215559184Woke has no real definition. In the case of media, a lot of times what constitutes something being woke or not depends on whether or not the person likes that piece of media. Buffy has plenty of underlying progressive politics, which makes it a critical darling to this day with redditors. But people love the show (for some reason), so people who normally whine about wokeness are willing to excuse it.
>>215559292>people like entertaining show>anon gets angry because it doesn't align with his meme politics
>>215559292Why reply when you didn't even read. Yes, Buffy has some "woke" moments, but it's heavily offset by logical writing. FFS they have an entire episode dedicated to how weak and pathetic she would be without her magic powers when Giles drugs her and locks Buffy up with a vampire that nearly kills her and there isn't an ounce of girlpower shit in the episode. Poltards just have a retarded view of what is and isn't woke and won't tolerate even an ounce of fantastical tropes.
>>215559318Who are talking about? If you think it's me, you misread my post.
>>215559292>Woke has no real definitionSure it does.Woke means caucasophobia.
>>215559372If by "woke" you mean progressive politic underpinnings, it's not simply a few moments. What separates Buffy from a lot of modern media is that it isn't as one dimensional or didactic. But that's part of my point: If something is good, we tend not to view it as "woke" or disagreeing with our personal views. >>215559408Well, that's your personal real definition of woke.
>>215555145It's normal not to like something made by someone that hates you
>>215559517Who do you think was in charge of Hollywood in the 90s?
>>215559486No that's what it means.Everything woke is made by a vile caucasophobe.Every.Single.Time.
>>215559544Most of those who use the word didn't get that memo, apparently.
>>215559539That's just it, there were more studios, Caucasian actors and directors and production staff.Hook noses had to hide their caucasophobia more until they consolidated power
>>215559566Based.Fuck everyone that hates us.It is normal to hate them back
>>215559544If woke just means antiwhite, why not just say... antiwhite? Not really proving me wrong when I say that woke is a dumb term.
>>215559582Yep. The head of WB (which produced Buffy) was this very white fellow
>>215559486I don't even know why you're watching any media at all because you clearly think anything that isn't a Third Reich hyper masculine Nordic Aryan Male propaganda film is woke. Saying a show whose main character's moral dilemma is that she just wants to be a spoiled little girly slut whose biggest aspirations are to be a suburban soccer mom but can't because she's been cursed with super powers has progressive underpinnings is borderline conservative hysteria. Go ahead and cite all the blatant and irrefutable progressive talking points (I'll willingly concede season 7 because that's when women came in and indeed did warp the show while Joss was busy with making male focused Firefly/Angel) and I'll give each 3 direct counter examples of anti-woke writing in the show.
>>215558754
>>215559620It's caucasophobia.Kvetch about all the terms hook noses and their goys use, if you want
>>215559780>caucasophobiaI understand what you mean, but you’re never going to get this term to catch on. it’s mimetically fraught. terms like trump derangement syndrome are far more effective because it, correctly, paints them as mentally fragile and weak.
>>215559725>I don't even know why you're watching any media at all because you clearly think anything that isn't a Third Reich hyper masculine Nordic Aryan Male propaganda film is woke.I don't think woke is real or a useful term. So no, you're wrong. And your idea of right wing being simply Nazi propaganda is an unsurprising facet of liberalism's hegemonic stronghold on modern culture. >Saying a show whose main character's moral dilemma is that she just wants to be a spoiled little girly slut whose biggest aspirations are to be a suburban soccer mom but can't because she's been cursed with super powers has progressive underpinnings is borderline conservative hysteria.You're cherry picking. Also, I'm not a conservative and there's no hysteria - I don't care about Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I think it's an annoying show that occasionally has some good writing, but is overall a waste of time. I don't care that the show has progressive politics. A lot of movies that I like have progressive politics.>Go ahead and cite all the blatant and irrefutable progressive talking points (I'll willingly concede season 7 because that's when women came in and indeed did warp the show while Joss was busy with making male focused Firefly/Angel) and I'll give each 3 direct counter examples of anti-woke writing in the show.You're the one saying the show has woke and anti-woke writing. I'm saying woke is a retarded and not real. Why would I engage this contest?>>215559780Then just say caucasophobia if that's what you mean. Woke is not an effective term.
>>215555842Truly satan's chosen people
>>215559088Either way, she is another dead hook nose.So one less enemy out there
>>215559879>you’re never going to get this term to catch onTell that to the lg-alphagetteos.No one is scared of them, it's disgust.Rightly so as they are crawling with STDs
>>215559943Cry to the hook noses and libtards about semantics and dog whistles.I call out caucasophobia wherever I see it
>>215560262Nobody's crying. If you're just using the word woke, you're not doing your cause any favors.
>>215558900Damn. I love Jewish women.
>>215559935remibds me of this piv I saw in a yhrrad. doubt it is from the new show, but it kinda looks it
big forehead...
>>215554894Politics aside, no. Buffy is a 90's time capsule that works because it's a parody of 80's and 90's teen dramas and teen soap operas. As boomer as this makes me sound, 2020's teens just play with their phones and iPads all day.
Show won't be good because teenagers can't act. I know people used to mock shows about teenagers for having casts in their mid-20s or higher but it was out of necessity. The cast of Buffy hard carried the show because they were exceptional actors for what the material was. Even ignoring all the other myriad problems modern tv has, these kids won't be able to act and elicit the same emotions Gellar and Hannigan got out of the original audience.
>>215559292>Woke has no real definitionHere:>Woke is the ethics and processes of socialism, expanded beyond class struggle, to include race struggle, gender struggle, sexual struggle and any other near-infinite number of marginalized groups as defined by intersectionality.Now you know.
>>215554894No. The source material is woke.
>>215560657That's not even what woke originally meant. You're describe egalitarianism.
>>215554894Your retardation aside, no it won't be good.
>>215560657So woke is a nothingburger word salad? By that definition, many films and shows going back decades, could be described as woke. Including Buffy.
>>215560806Woke is the right's equivalent of sexism and racism. It means whatever they want to mean in the pursuit to discredit something.
is buffy a good show to watch in 2025 or is it pure garbage? i don't watch some monster of the week shit with 300 episodes. at least tell me the plot progresses
>>215560657The best definition of "woke" in art is that it simply refers to the cliches of our time. Anytime you do something over and over again in art, it becomes cliche and it shows that the artist is not creative or original. In the past, being critical of Christianity in the West was actually pretty ballsy and rare, but now it is just performative. It is cliche now for movies/shows to shit on men especially if they are white, heterosexual, Christian and/or viewed as "rightwing." If there was a balance though, these things would stop being cliche. For example you can still tell stories critical of Christians but you also have to tell stories critical of Jews (ha), Muslims, etc. Hollywood does not seem to have that capacity though.
>>215561823is buffy a good show to watch in 2025 or is it pure garbage?what does this even mean? Television is garbage now. Just about any show from the 90s is a thousand times better than whatever trash you are watching.
>>215561907just tell me if it's weekly plots or something good
>>215561922those aren't mutually exclusive, fuck your modern shows and their obsession with being one long novel where every episode has to be connectedYeah Buffy is a monster of the week show and it's too good for your stupid ass
>>215558241Why does that kid have tits?
>>215561823it pioneered the season-long arc. it’s a hybrid.
>>215560657>50 yo uses grok to define woke
Is the original Buffy less woke than The North Water? How could a series that aired in 1997 be less woke than a series that aired in 2021?
>>215561922As anon says here>>215562019It was one of the first shows along with X-Files to combine the two. Over the course it shifts more and more to serialization with S7 along with S4 of Angel each being one long episode. It's funny because people hated it at the time, now people reject any motw eps as filler.
Woke is a term that should have been retired at the same time as SJW. Not sure how it's made it all the way to 2025.>>215562019Don't know why people say this. Other shows did this shit before Buffy.
>>215554894Less than 1%. Joss Whedon is actually a pretty good writer but he's cancelled at the moment and it's Disney +. On top of that originally they made a big deal about the new Buffy being black because "it's their turn!" but then Trump won and they walked it back. I really don't think it will be but you never know
>>215559184>>215559292the show depicts a Lesbian relationship was abusive and controlling and it fractures within 2 seasons out of the 7 season run-time, the show is a majority 90%+ white cast in terms of featured run-time, most scenes are white-only. The show is not woke by any metric
>>215562140>originally they made a big deal about the new Buffy being blackNo they didn’t
>>215562051Easily in answer to your question.
>>215555196As you should. No faggotry, though
>>215562155Is Buffy less woke though?
>>215562151They did try it a few years ago, but the entire world rejected it. This is a totally different project, though. There has been 2 or 3 previous attempts to reboot it. This is the first one to go.
>>215562149But there is no real metric of what woke actually is. Buffy is however, a show with progressive politics and feminist leanings. Depicting a certain lesbian relationship negatively doesn't mean it's an indictment of lesbianism or comment on lesbian relationships in general.
>>215555145Because 90s/00s still operated under a "rule of cool" premise and were meant to entertain the audience first and foremost>girl beating up buff dudes twice her size? That looks so cool!>huge black man with a gatling gun arm? That looks so cool!>blind man basically has super powers because he has to use his other senses to the max? That looks so cool!Post 2010 is made by hateful deranged activists with an agenda to push and a huge axe to grind against the white straight male audience.
this thread is proof that for rightoids woke has no other definition other than "thing I don't like". buffy was absolutely woke for it's time. gonna enjoy the bitching and moaning when the new one is even more woke than the original.
>>215562261Nah. It’s just nostalgia. If they released Xena now and changed nothing it’d be called woke.
>>215562261It works in Buffy because there's an in-story reason for it. She has superpowers. In contrast, shows of today have no explanation. Made today, Buffy would just be your average girl, not superpowered at all and still beat up men twice her size as shown in Red Sonja and other silly shows/movies.
well see if Ryan is a good actress
>>215554894Unless Joss Whedon is ghostwriting this, I doubt it
>>215562554It's not just Whedon. There are some lines in the script that are very Buffy-esque, but will no doubt be cut because the actress is underage. The bit about her asking her crush to donate some bodily fluids is getting cut, for instance.
>>215562591Meanwhile Kids by Harmony Korine exists
>>215562627>movie from 1995What are you trying to say? You could do that back then. Whedon even had Dawn make that meat party in my mouth comment. In 2025? No way.
>>215562661Kids is pretty explicit anon
>>215562711Yeah, in 1995. You think it would get made today?
>>215562261The rule of cool sounds dumber than woke shit. >>215562304There were plenty of films/shows made before "today" which depicted women beating up men twice their size. >>215562295They attribute the falling standards across the board to being simply a product of stupid politics.
>>215562734>There were plenty of films/shows made before "today" which depicted women beating up men twice their size.Like what, without explanation?
>>215554894if original buffy came out today, you'd think it's the wokest slop ever producedimagine the 2025 reboot...
>>215562546I turned on the tv the other day and ‘The Art of Racing in the Rain’ was on and I ended up watching it because I was drawn in by the heckin cute doggerino. Ryan was in that as a wee little girl and I felt proud of myself for recognising her. Judging from that movie her acting is about normal for a 6 year old.
>>215556147>>215556158>she then accuses him of rapewhat did Whedon mean by this?shouldn't we always trust women? aka victims???that's a little chuddy Joss
>>215562776That didn't happen.
>>215562749How about the original Red Sonja? By the way, what are all the modern films showing men getting beaten up by women without any in-world explanation, like that she's a superhero or something?
>>215559184well... buffy is proto-wokeit's not a surprise so many feminist study or whatever theses are written with buffy as the subject
>>215555164Absolutely no one gives a fuck about hot lesbians
>>215562149>The show is not woke by any metricaccording to your transexual zoomer standards
>>215562749https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xPE7-PRL0M8
>>215562787it did happen. you didn't watch the show
>it's not woke because it's oldHoly cops>lesbians>strong white female lead>almost all the men are onions>whole setup is an allegory for queerness in high school>muh first wave mythical female goddess powerFace it chuds, the show would trigger the suit out of you, if it came out today.Also, I didn't read the thread, cause you're all retarded and repetitive
>>215562799Red Sonja, Ballerina, Prey to name a few.
>>215562830>captain marvel and nuwars are from the 90s
This thread needs more Redwood
>>215562258Define what progressive politics means and give examples that exist within Buffy that didn't exist in every single contemporary television show at that time or that Buffy did excessively in comparison. Define what feminist leanings means and give examples that exist within Buffy that didn't exist in every single contemporary television show at that time or that Buffy did excessively in comparison. You keep squatting in this thread throwing out pseudointellectual rightoid buzzwords without having given a single solitary example of how extremely progressive and leftwing Buffy is compared to all of other media before it and at the time. Yeah, if your frame of reference is Dragnet and Triumph of the Will Buffy will absolutely seem hyper woke in comparison but the show broke no new ground with its tropes, it did nothing that other shows hadn't already done before it or even would do during every year of its run. The only feminist thing about the first 6 seasons of Buffy is that she has super powers and men don't, but as already mentioned in this thread Buffy is often an ineffectual fuck up (because of her woman brain) and the ordinary (and vampire) men are regularly portrayed as saving the day and keeping her ass alive. In fact, in seasons 1/3/4/6/7, men are either instrumental in helping Buffy defeat the seasonal threat/saving the world or they're the ones who actually do so while Buffy sort of just watches.So yeah, you just don't like the idea of female super heroes regardless of how well written or deconstructive their media is.
>>215562880>word saladnot gonna read that fag
>>215562886>I got BTFO'd but I'll pretend I didn't read it so I don't have to respond Thanks for your concession retard you can kindly fuck off back to pol now
>schizo having a mental breakdown because his feminist slop from his childhood was called woke
>>215562942Buffy was woke faggot. Even for the time
>>215555638There are a lot of black vampires that Buffy dusts >>215556864Whedon didn’t even really do anything apart from being a prick and some vague allegations about Michelle Tractenberg not being alone with him. But even that isn’t accusatory of any actual wrongdoing.
>>215563003Are there? I can think of only a few. Mr Trick, who comments on the lack of blacks in Sunnydale, the fat one in S6 and the one Spike made in S7. There could be more, but there were definitely few by comparison. Virtually no latinos in SoCal, though, which was funny. Yeah, Whedon is guilty of being a jerk and cheating on his wife. No doubt he's a douche, but it's clear the outrage was manufactured to remove him from projects.
>>215554952facts>vampires and monsters are a metaphor of sexual aggressors>series really go about a girl that was raped and how she overcome her depression (the series end with sunnydale sunking into hell making buffy free from her trauma)>spike was the first male that depicted domestic violence, sexual aggression with your partner, and emotional abuse>the episode where they reveal that buffy is really on a mental institution recovering from what happened to herIt was needed tho
>>215563065>make up fake shit
>>215562749Alias
>ITT poltards having melties and samefagging because they can't defend their positions so this is the power of the mentally robust masculine warriors that will save the west
>>215562749Dark Angel
>>215562749Star Trek XenaX FilesMelrose Place
>>215563096It is pretty tiresome. Buffy simply subverted tropes in a time when that was becoming the norm. Some of that comes off as progressive but the show itself doesn't push much in the way of social messaging.
>>215562749The original Charlie’s Angels did that a lot Also the 60s Avengers
>>215563104>x-files>melrose placeWhat?>xenaLiterally has superpowers.>>215563102>dark angelA biological experiment. It's Buffy but science instead of magic.
>>215562749Walker Texas Ranger. Back then they thought girls who knew karate could beat guys up
>>215563096you lost your culture war and all you have left is acting with condescension.once again you didn't learn your lesson
>>215554919When has a continuation or a remake being Amy good. Battlestar Galactica?
>>215555145The former was made for an audience of everyone. The latter is purely for women because they’re the only paying customers left.
>>215562836So, not that many. Doesn't seem to explain the difference in quality between new and old media.>>215562880>Define what progressive politics meansOff the top of my head, in the context of a show/movie, it's anything that exhibits leftist, or socially liberal values relative to the time period it was made.>and give examples that exist within Buffy that didn't exist in every single contemporary television show at that timeI don't think that would be fruitful, because a lot of media in that time would fall under the same banner of progressivism. >Define what feminist leanings means and give examples that exist within Buffy that didn't exist in every single contemporary television showA show being progressive isn't relative based on what other shows are doing. I'm not trying to argue that Buffy is a work of political radicalism.>Yeah, if your frame of reference is Dragnet and Triumph of the Will Buffy will absolutely seem hyper woke in comparisonPolitics in media doesn't have a separate spectrum. Much of media can be left leaning and progressive, without being left relative to other pieces of media.>but the show broke no new groundAgreed totally. It's a pretty boring show.>The only feminist thing blah blah blahLook geek, your idea of feminism seems limited to a chick being a badass who can beat up males in a piece of fantasy media. I don't really feel too inclined to make a case for Buffy being a feminist show, because it's commonly accepted as true, and you don't seem to have a grasp on what feminism is, beyond some gross bastardization of the concept.>So yeah, you just don't like the idea of female super heroes regardless of how well written or deconstructive their media is.I'm a pretty big fan of Claremont's X-Men, which Whedon stole from aplenty. So no, you're wrong.
>>215563193One riot, one ranger.
>>215555270you are still pretending to not know what woke is
>>215556993Implying those are the same things, retard
>>215556981woke didn't exist, leftard
>>215555119I don't think she's ugly
>>215559184It's leftards claiming that it was woke, idiot>>215559292>Woke has no real definition.You woketards keep getting the definition, but you pretend you don't because you don't like it.
>>215559486woke cannot be good by definition
no and no but i'm still gonna watch it because i'm a pathetic loser
>>215563838Well that's your personal definition of woke.>>215563825>You woketards keep getting the definition, but you pretend you don't because you don't like itI tend to think of woketards as people who use the word woke constantly. That's my personal definition. You say that I keep getting "the" definition, but I think I've received at least several different definitions in this thread alone. And the best one so far: >>215560657 is vague gobbledygook that could apply to a lot of older, supposedly pre-woke films and tv shows. A real definition of woke in media would be: "Contemporary politics I don't like in movies/shows I also don't like." But I doubt any of you would be so honest.
>>215558900Michelle TrachtenBERG is jewish?! you dont say, nigger... maybe fuck back to /pol/ to impress your retarded peers with your amazing investigating skills
>>215563838That's retarded. Are you a retard?
>>215559725Have you considered stopping being woke?Nobody likes or agrees with that shit either way. It cost you your reputation, election and the culture war.grow up already
Need to see nu!Buffy's outfits.
>>215556333CheckedWesley was a great character but he was also the biggest retard in 2 separate series for not knowing what a self-fulfilling prophecy is.As a trained historian of myths and legends.
>>215564002Define it.
>>215564018It was the recurring theme of the shows, anon. Even Giles falls prey to it. Whedon loved Shakespeare. Wes's ego made him blind to his own susceptibility.
>>215563104>X FilesAbsolutely no way. Scully always took Ls when she couldn't get to her gun.
>>215555853I just wish it could have had an actual ending and not just some shitty comic where the bad guys unleash hell on Earth and then basically go eh, whatever, our prophecy is kinda fucked, we're fucking off, have fun nigga, we're unfucking all the shit we caused for you
>>215560657Keep it simple, faggotIt's the force inclusion of far leftist tropes and talking points
>>215564098>those screams every time she gets overpowered and knows she can't fucking do shitFucking 10/10
>>215560690No>>215560806>>215561466No. Endlessly seething at that word won't make it go away.
>>215564088I can understand why it was done from a writing pov but fact is there are more self-fulfilling prophecies that not, so even just discussing the general idea of prophecy should bring up that notion.
>>215562108It will be retired when the woke problem will be solved.>>215562295>>215562299>>215562734Stop seething, leftardPeople hate what YOU make. It's YOUR shit that flop and get called woke.Playing pidgeon chess won't change this
>>215564126The idea of having a choice is brought up all the time, anon. On Angel especially. Even in Wes's arc it's shown that the prophecy in question is totally fake, but it still ends up leading to Sajian's death even though he fake the prophecy himself.
>>215562833if it came it today it would be woke and people would call it woke as it goes broke
This actress is in American Horror Story season 10. Not particularly noteworthy or anything. This season is watchable as parody despite insanely unhinged leftist drivel prevalent in the show. The plot of the season is a drug that makes artists creative but non-artists turn into zombie/vampires from sheer despair at realizing how inferior they are to the show's writers. Seriously that is the plot.
>>215562968>>215562987>>215563096>schizo retard who lost the culture war is trying to call everything woke keep crying while you lose
>>215555623Note the eyecandy.
>>215563940>ontemporary politics I don't like in movies/shows I also don't like."You keep saying that and it keeps being leftist cope.It's the woke shit YOU make that get called woke
>>215563958you are free to prove your oxymoron all you want, if you can.
>>215564121>Endlessly seething at that word won't make it go away.It'll fall out of fashion eventually, just like what happened with SJW. It's just some stupid buzzword and it'll eventually be replaced by another buzzword, but I'm tired of hearing this one. When you have normies crying about how movies are woke, it's time for true internet denizens to move on.>>215564152>It will be retired when the woke problem will be solved.So, never? It'll be retired just like the word groovy was retired. Or SJW.>Stop seething, leftardSeething! Woke! Meme words! That's your life. You quoted me twice in your post, but I'm not a leftist. I'm right wing. People like you are the reason I've grown so disillusioned with the online right.>People hate what YOU make. It's YOUR shit that flop and get called woke.You make nothing because you have no power. They do. That's why they can make flops, and then they make some more. Nobody is accountable. They don't need you anymore.
>>215564020All this time ans you keep repeating this shit as if your gotcha ever worked.and what if some people can't give a perfectly crafted dictionary definition? Would it stop normal people for mhating your woke shit?NopeIt's "Forced inclusion of far leftist tropes and taliking points" btw, and you'll keep pretending again and again you didnt' get it 100000000 times while you go broke and get kicked out from all normal spaces you invaded
>>215564224Only woketards call me woke. Because I said something that challenged them. And they don't like that. So the woketard says, WOKE
>>215564245Stop crying.You lost your culture war. Normality won, as always does
>>215564207It's nice but if they are written as obnoxious bitches, it won't matter.
>>215564356Pilot script isn't bad but there are a few red flags.
>>215564380I am also deebly goncerned about the progression of the show. Plenty of shows have a good first season only to be followed by a shitty second one.
>>215564399It hasn't even been picked up yet. I wouldn't count chickens.
>>215564380Yeah. I'll believe that it could be good when I actually see it and it's good. Which I very much doubt will be the case. But whatever, I have zero positive expectations of modern TV.
>>215564399Can't wait for the decent-to-good first season with 8 episodes only to get some complete garbage in another 8 episode season two years later. It's a bit silly how often this shit happens. Or I'm just very unlucky in my contemporary TV show picks.
>>215559292Woke is simply the most recent term for promoting white genocide. It has many forms from poisoning the water supply to feminism, homosexuality and other jewish pursuits. It is not a new idea, jews have been doing this for millenia since before recorded history. World War 2 endangered the rulers so they stopped using war to send undesirables to die and focused on propaganda efforts, starting with normalizing destruction of the family unit (idiot father and bitchy wife, literally every show) and snowballing from there.
>>215564436Not just you, Netflix is the biggest sinner in that regard with dozens of shows with 1 good season and either no follow up or a shitty one.
>>215564289>Normality won, as always doesDangerous assumption to make.>>215564451I have a buddy who's a conservative and is always complaining about how woke modern movies are. He listens a lot to Ben Shapiro. You're saying what he's actually complaining about is the promotion of white genocide? I doubt it.
>>215564270>far leftistReally, because a lot of people will call movies woke if they feature really mundane middle of the road leftist ideas. Was the Batman woke? How about Barbie? Neither of these films contain far left values.
>>215564513you just laid out a classic scenario of a jew wearing conservative rhetoric like a skin suit and then asking anon why he doesnt agree with the jews false characterization of the term wokethis is because you assent to white genocide as well
>one tranny trying to well poison and feign ignorance about what woke means for 5 hours
>>215564569>Barbiethat was a shit movie trying and failing to have some feminist commentary that fell on its own face. I had wokeshit in it.The Batman had woke raceswaps
>>215564686they are so desperate and yet so full of themselves
>>215564621Left still can't connect their hatred of 'old white men' for slavery and colonialism and all the other reasons always meant jews.
>>215564621My buddy is some normie white dude with three children. I assent to white genocide as well? Uh how?>>215564710Missed the point. I'm not defending these films as good, but the other anon defined woke as forcing "far left" tropes. Neither the Batman nor Barbie have anything far left within them, but they're both considered woke by many. In other words, his definition doesn't seem to hold water.
>>215564436They take successful shows to shoehorn maximum propaganda into. Buffy was already successful so they have no reason to make a good season 1 to increase potential victims.Since Buffy herself is producing this it's likely she cares more about her personal profit than ruining her legacy.It's a toss up but it is leaning toward unintentionally bad simply by having a woman in charge and the writing cartel requiring too many writers (who will all just be using AI anyway). Nothing good will ever come from more than 1 writer with 1 editor.
