>>215559535
The OG series is.
Everything else is theater kid slop.

>>215559535
Stop trying to inject politics everywhere. Star Trek is not now and never has been a partisan issue.

Star Trek is libcuck wank. Rightwing Trekkies are retards. Star Trek isn't leftwing because of some tech in it or some gay irrelevant messaging either, it is fundamentally leftwing at its core philosophy. Its principles are predicated on leftwing ideas. Trek at its core is about Whig history, which is just jewish Tikkun Olam repackaged and secularized for us goyim. It utterly ignores cyclical history because jews hate that shit. Even Dune, which is the philosophical antithesis of Star Trek, is leftwing, because even though it's main message is that history will make shit happen like it or not and you literally can't change it, even if you had the power to see it coming, he wrote this as a bad thing. Frank Herbert was a leftwing doomer; a hippie ecologist who went to the Middle East, saw how non-existent the fucks Muslims gave about western morals truly were, and realized they were going to win eventually, and wrote about it from a horrific lens, so it's left wing.

Ironically, a rightwing scifi story would be something like Star Wars. Lucas wrote it in protest of Reagan, yet he aped so many old myths without thinking, he unknowingly wrote a conservative tale. A lot of the problems the Prequels introduced are already there in the OT; namely, how the Republic is good because Whig history and the Empire is fascist, because the Republic is partially a theocracy run by genetically superior wizards with superpowers. Lucas does this a lot, writing shit in such a way that it's almost impossible to interpret it in anyway other than the exact opposite of what he meant it to mean. He didn't intend it, but Star Wars is and has always been a story about overthrowing a godless mechanical empire to restore the rightful religion and the magic ubermensch to their rightful position of power. That Lucas wrote it this qay accidentally is irrelevant; he still did it.

>someone made a post on a right leaning social media site


yep it must be true!

>speaking as (insert retarded demographic here)...
no one gives a shit you nigger

it's right wing in the sense that it espouses classical beauty, has a focus on maritime style command structure and its benefits, and it emphasizes allowing ideas to compete in a free market and being as rationale as possible being a huge virtue. these weren't and never were right wing values obviously, but as the progressive left of the modern era descends into total madness these ideas have been eliminated in the leftist camp, so by default they only exist in the right. as far as the actual politics at play, trek is like pure commie yuppie dream wank

>>215559535
Not really, Star Wars and Warhammer sure. The unaired pilot with Pike was based but Star Trek has had woke undertones since the first episode aired where the black Uhura flirts with the devilish Mr. Spock and the guy tries to protect this psycho tranny who killed his wife and everyone feels bad for it because of "The Buffalo" being wiped out by hunting, even though it actually wasn't. There are more conservative sides to TOS too but even in the 60s females were writing fanfiction about Kirk and Mr. Spock as faggot sex mates, sometimes even with McCoy in the mix. And the later shows only got more woke.

>>215559535
Roddenberry was a leftie, but an oldschool one. He'd probably be considered far-right by modern plebbitors.

>>215560165
roddenberry frequently had orgies and was extremely sexual and basically perverted with all the women in his life. I think he even got head from regan’s wife. he is what you modern nunazis would call a liberal california degenerate

It's right wing in that it's a military organization pretending to be peaceful while flying around in a space battleship. While they have more cultures and aliens on board, the diversity is only to a certain point. You can have your little 'haha quirky culture thing' but you're expected to still be part of the homogenous main culture (Starfleet) and follow the chain of command.

People thing Star Trek is lefty because no religion but the right has always seen the conquering of other cultures as the end goal. The black family in the while neighborhood was ok if they behaved, and the most ethnic thing they did was cook pork instead of turkey on thanksgiving.

>>215560165
Stfu, old school left was Marxism. This man was pro civil rights and social democracy. He would trigger the suit out of chuds.

>>215559535
Not in the slightest.

>>215560195
He'd be considered far-right just because he shat on Judaism and you know it.

In a sense. It's the fantasy of serving on board a military vessel, where everyone is hyper competent and doesn't step out of line.
The politics of Star Trek are just kind of bolted on. When you try to make the show "actually" about progressivism, you get Discovery and Picard, which the fanbase collectively rejects.

>>215560240
yes because modern liberals absolutely love israel and totally don’t scream free palestine every second they get

>>215559629
>>215559993
>>215560070
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>>215560213
You retards should learn how to read, it doesn't say Star Trek is right-wing, it say most of its fans are Republicans. It's not true, but he's kinda right in that there are Trekkies from all over the political spectrum.

>>215560259
They scream about Israel, not Judaism. Go to any leftie forum and you'll see how they twist themselves into knots saying how Israel doesn't represent all Jews and how most Jews aren't zionists and any evidence to the contrary is antisemitic.

>>215560123
Star Wars for sure, even though it's entirely by accident.

Warhammer is one of the most rightwing media in existence, and not because of the Imperium or degeneracy of the Chaos Gods or anything about casual genocide, but because its a story built first and foremost on how great the past was and how bad mismanagement made the present shit. This is the exact opposite of what the left claims happens. Whig history is about the past being a bunch of backward rump states leading to a glorious present, where people can be what they want to be. Warhammer is nothing *but* the story of how people being who they are in a time of advancement and peace ran that shit into the ground so hard people ran into the warm and comforting embrace of a new Dark Age to get away from all that faggy progressivism. From the Imperium to the Eldar to the Necrons, everyone is living through a shittier present and trying to reclaim the past and when someone isn't, like the Tau, it's to draw them as a foil and slowly break them into realizing if they are astonishingly lucky and live long enough to succeed and spread the Greater Good throughout the galaxy, they will just go down the same path.

A better way to think of something as innately leftwing or innately rightwing is if peace is the default.
If peace is the natural state of a setting, and all the conflicts within are the result of someone corrupting the natural peaceful state for some reason (usually personal gain), then it's leftwing. If civilization is a lone ship in a dark sea that cam and will collapse without actively being maintained, then it is rightwing.

>>215560288
For every one trekkie sniffing his own farts while watching Measure of a Man over and over, there's another one appreciating Sisko doing warcrimes and Kirk punching shit

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>>215560324
(You) mean the same knots you are currently twisting yourself in to somehow rationalize roddenberry being a modern nazi?

…the guy who made a tv show about a one world government with no currency and men wearing dresses? that guy?

>>215560356
>rationalize roddenberry being a modern nazi?
holy illiterate retard

>>215560324
>They scream about Israel, not Judaism
Oy vey goyim, those are both the same thing.

>>215560288
I wouldn't be surprised though. there's an intersection between Star Trek fans, Warhammer fans, and Dune fans.
It appeals to people who are into the military shit, whereas people who are like hard left can kind of take or leave it. It's not their fantasy. If anything, their fantasy is being one of the people back on Earth, lazing around and making art and having sex, while everything they want is free, and they can drink wine from Picard's vineyard.

>>215559993
Star Trek is still an incredibly hierarchical and often straight-up militaristic setting.
I honestly dont get whats supposed to be leftist about it unless you are just one of those "right-wing is whatever i consider bad" retards.

>>215560372
people laze around and make art and have sex all the time on the enterprise though

>>215560390
They're still expected to do their jobs and load the torpedo tubes.

>>215560324
"Zionist" and "eat the rich" for woke people is like how we say globalism, cultural marxism, (((them))), "on the NOSE!", "the nose knows", cabal, Noticing, God's Chosen People, God's Nosen People, Gnomes, bankers, well, well, well, and more. All these things mean the same thing... the Jews.

>>215560394
inbetween jerking off in the holodeck though or fucking ghosts or randomly quoting shakespeare, of course

>>215560422
>All these things mean the same thing... the Jews.
except they mean Whites

>>215560439
Even Nazis had entertainment.

>>215560422
I promise you that if the average leftist had a choice between killing a poor white or a rich jew, they'd pick the former 99/100 times.

>>215559993
if Star Trek is so leftist where are the government workers constantly trying to manipulate society into something else?
I dont think Geordi got his job due to DEI hiring practices.

>>215560439
which you cant do outside of a socialist society as we all know.

>>215560362
>roddenberry would be a modern far right!
>literally and personally went out of his way to give men starfleet uniform skirts

make it make sense. like you said, I’m a retard. teach me the nunazi ways, fren

>>215559535
>excuse me but my personal anecdote beats the constant statistcal proof that woketrek is tolerated at best

>>215559535
>Star Trek focused on its military (NAVY)
>"Why the Republican/Traditional values???"
Hmm...

>>215559993
it depends on whether you consider fascism right wing or left wing, because star trek is undoubtedly fascist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4KBPaS-1PU

>>215560483
You're a genuine retard. I said he would be considered far-right by modern plebbitors.
For example, there's plenty of 90's liberals that are considered far-right by fags today. I've heard plebbitors say Bill Maher is a fascist.

>>215560471
if we’re being pedantic trekkers, the holodeck runs off the warp drive, which is an infinite source of renewable energy, which is why earth is a community utopia with no money, as there is infinite energy thus no scarcity. jerking off in the holodeck, is actually a strictly socialist activity

checkmate, atheists

>>215560531
the guy who made a tv show about no money and men wearing skirts would be considered far right by… plebbitors? why? what exactly about roddenberry would label him a plebbitor’s far right? anything specific or just vibes?

>>215560536
Having free energy kind of defeats the point of the argument for a communist, doesn't it?
Are we just supposed to wait around for free energy to arrive before we can have communism?

you guys really should not mindlessly defend this article without even looking at it first. I wouldn't be surprised it was some kind of elaborate engagement bait shitpost. Almost all of his points are just factually wrong

>>215560375
>Star Trek is still an incredibly hierarchical and often straight-up militaristic setting.
It's also a setting where giving people unlimited amounts of free shit made them evolve into a society of intellectuals and not into perverted fatasses who sit on their chairs like the niggas in Wall-E all day getting jerked off by their Sexatron 5000s.

If you think giving people free shit would give them the means to finally achieve their full potential, you are leftwing. That is literally the logic that justifies welfare and migration. It's not that Star Trek has leftwing ideas, it's that you can't write it without the core of it being leftwing.
>you are just one of those "right-wing is whatever i consider bad" retards
The irony. I'm literally ignoring every low haning fruit and focusing just on the core premise and ideas that, if removed, would make it not Star Trek. In Trek, shit happens because someone is fucking up the peace for one reason or another. In Warhammer, war is the default. Peace has to actively be worked for. Peace in Trek ends when it is sabotaged. Peace in Warhammer ends when people stop maintaining it. War in Trek is the result of a backward custom, difference in culture, or aberration to be exploited. War in Warhammer is how you say hi.

I'm not even scratching the surface here, but a significant chunk of the plotlines derive from these basic assumptions. This causes leftwing tinged ideas to be impossible to seperate from Trek while rightwing ones impossible to seperate from Warhammer, much as some writers may try. In both cases, the throughline is present before the writer even gets to write his first word.

>>215560569
probably, yeah

>>215560581
So capitalism is right, at least up until the point where hypothetical magic technology arrives?
And this is a left wing show?

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>>215560559
Not sure if you're playing dumb or just sheltered.
If you want to know what modern lefties think society should be like, then check nu-trek shows like the picard one. Everyone is an ugly, racially mixed drug addict that constantly swears.
Rodenberry's oldschool gentlemen sensibilities would be considered outdated and classist.

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>>215560577
All this nitty gritty about the economic situation on Earth has almost nothing to do with what Star Trek actually is though.
This stuff isn't even in the original Star Trek. We don't get confirmation that Earth doesn't use money until STIV.
There's maybe one actual episode of TNG that references this as some kind of factor in a story-line.

Star Trek is about men serving on a star ship, and firing the phasers.

>>215560594
yup. that’s why it’s fiction. me correctly pointing out the fictional 24th century is a communist utopia is not some validation of communism. furthermore, actually breaking the limit of light speed would require a near infinite amount of energy, to accelerate infinitely increasing weight of mass. if we ever actually explore the stars with such spaceships, it would unironically require no scarcity, no money, and a lot of communism

>>215560624
If you don't choose one of those you're a fencesitting faggot pussy. You can't win here.

>>215560647
Sounds like what we actually need is some hypothetical technology that solves all of our problems for us.
Communism didn't create warp drive in the ST universe either. That was one guy who was really smart and stuff, and he built a rocket in a moonshine shack.

>>215560613
no. you’re mistaking the current mandate at paramount with actual real life liberals and conservatives. real life liberals still watch tng. it is still among the top ten most watched shows on netflix. I know it’s easy to confuse modern normies and their consumer identities with politics but that just means you’re brainwashed by corporate marketing and a vague culture war. of which, tng has no part in

>>215559535
The difference between old Trek and nu-Trek is that old Trek would take an issue and present all sides of it so you could understand the various points of view, while nu-Trek is preaching one side through a black and white lens.

>>215559535
>Women can't have right wing beliefs
Lmao

>>215560675
The fact that modern libshits make grotesque products that not even other libshits consume is not in question, it also has no impact on who is making these decisions and why.
Do you think shows like Rings of Power, nu-trek, nu-star wars, nu-doctor who etc. were made by conservatives for conservative sensibilities?

>>215560671
no, ww3 built the first warp drive. cochrane just hobbled the pieces together from defective missiles. in this fiction, the source of infinite energy are the dilithium crystals. I’m not a big enough trek nerd to know where cochrane got those

>>215560536
The "no scarcity" society is a result of technological progress, not political ideology. There isnt even any room for socialist ideas inside Star Trek.
Meanwhile people still own land and try to get more land through colonizing, People also archive star fleet ranks through inherent ability not quotas.

You cant just claim Star Trek as socialist just because you like the economic implications of that setting and find it in accordance with socialist goals. EVERYONE wants a future where magical 3d-printers can give you shit for free. Its how we get there that makes it a political topic.

>>215560637
I disagree, it informs every aspect of the setting. Nimoy came up with the idea of the Vulcan nerve pinch from the idea that wacking someone over the head was "primitive" and the Vulcans would have "moved beyond" such concepts.

Every social aspect of the setting is "oh yeah, we're beyond such things now" which is just the same reasoning applied to social behaviors instead of economics.

>>215560700
Hardcore racist Lauren Southern ended up marrying some Filipino lmao

Right wing beliefs are just a way for conservative men to find other conservative men. Mostly for gay shit.

>>215559535
The only things trektards ever managed to conserve was their life long virginity.

>Let’s imagine a future utopia of infinite technology. Robotic factories produce far more wealth than anyone could possibly need. The laws of Nature have been altered to make crime and violence physically impossible Infinitely loving nurture-bots take over any portions of child-rearing that the parents find boring. And all traumatic events can be wiped from people’s minds, restoring them to a state of bliss. Even death itself has disappeared. What policies are useful for this happy state?

First of all, we probably shouldn’t have a police force. Given that crime is impossible, at best they would be useless and at worst they might go around flexing their authority and causing trouble.

>Second, religion seems kind of superfluous. Throughout history, richer civilizations have been less religious and our post-scarcity society should be no exception. What would you pray for? What fear is there for faith to allay? With vast supercomputers that know all things, what lingering questions are there for the Bible to answer?

Third, assuming people still have jobs or something, we should probably make them as nice as possible. It doesn’t matter if it hurts productivity; we’re producing far more than we need anyway.

>Fourth, interest in the environment. We have no shortage of material goods; if our lives lack anything it is beauty and connection to nature. So it will be nice to have as many pleasant green spaces as possible; and if this means a little less oil, it’s not like our Oil-Making-Machines can’t make up the extra.

Fifth, free love. There’s no worries about STDs, the family unit isn’t necessary for any kind of economic survival, and the nurture-bots and trauma-erasure-centers can take care of the kids of anything goes wrong. And since we don’t have anything else to do, we might as well enjoy ourselves with infinite sex.

>This world of infinite abundance is a great match for leftist values.

not my idea, but an idea star trek represents leftism

>>215560706
unironically? yes. they assumed, conservative or not, that you’re such a corporately brainwashed consumer that you’d watch anything with the correct brand label on it. and they were wrong, because these specific shows were greenlit and developed by mbas who perceive you only as a number on some graph of revenue. real life liberals and actual trek nerds are just as pissed as you nutrek sucks. tng probably gave them the liberal values in the first place. I don’t blame you though. honestly. it is extraordinarily easy to confuse modern real life liberals with the consumers who frequent r/startrek. an honest and desperately easy mistake to make

if I may ask a question, as you did; you would likely think a person with a degree in literature and a box set of tng be a liberal. right? that’s an assumption but still. do you think the guy who wrote his doctoral thesis on the odyssey and has a starfleet uniform in his closet, actually likes nutrek? honestly, I am honestly asking. if the answer is yes, then perhaps your perspective on liberals and modern trek consumers is askew

>>215560195
Based Nancy, such a dick sucking legend

>>215560773
Seems like a lot of conceit, that goes against what most of the show actually is (which is high concept space adventures, where either there's a bad guy to beat, or some weird space anomaly happens).
The fact that people like Nimoy had some input on what they though Star Trek should be is all well and good, but what that amounts to onscreen is that he knocks someone out by pinching them instead of by punching them. They still get knocked out.
Spock doesn't read them their rights, and reward them with compensation and free housing for having been wronged by imperialism, and then calmly explain to Jim that they need to stand back and allow them a peaceful if firey protest in the mess hall.

>>215560824
>you would likely think a person with a degree in literature and a box set of tng be a liberal. right?
I'd assume the were a pedophile.

>>215560824
>you’re such a corporately brainwashed consumer that you’d watch anything with the correct brand label on it
I have 0 idea what argument you're even making here. They assumed I would watch anything so they pozzed everything in the ass for what purpose exactly? To appease people that didn't watch these shows anyways?
>it is extraordinarily easy to confuse modern real life liberals with the consumers who frequent r/startrek
It is also extraordinarily easy to use the no true scottsman fallacy.
>do you think the guy who wrote his doctoral thesis on the odyssey and has a starfleet uniform in his closet, actually likes nutrek?
A guy like that is likely in his 40's and probably would disagree with you on whether or not dudes that cut their dicks off are women so therefore would also be considered far right by most modern leftists.

>>215560637
Leftwing Futurism is when men don't rape in the future
Rightwing Futurism is when men don't rape in the future because the Castrator Bot 9000 will cut your dick off if you try

You can like both stories. It is just that the left and right tackle even when tackling the same idea, do so from very different angles.

>>215560324
Israel doesn’t represent all Jews. The right wing fundamentalist government wants it to be that way because it isn’t true. Some of the most vocal protesters against Israel’s genocide in Gaza have been Jews.

>>215560195
>frequently had orgies and was extremely sexual and basically perverted with all the women in his life
He's literally me? A Dionysian Facist.

>>215560878
What percentage of Jews in America do you believe identify as zionists?

Conservatives really are desperate to co-opt everything in order to feel cool.

>>215560866
> They assumed I would watch anything so they pozzed everything in the ass for what purpose exactly?

for one, engagement. if you haven’t noticed oh say, the last twenty years of culture… pissing people off, and pissing people off on the internet, is how companies get your eyes on their product. and it obviously works. how many fucking black little mermaids and black elf threads have I fucking seen on /tv/, alone? let alone the rest of the fucking internet. why is it so difficult for modern citizens to correctly deduce the motivation of the media perpetually played in front of their eyeballs? and now you’ve confused idiot normies who confuse the products they consume with actual political ideology. normies consuuuume. always have always will. they will always find reasons to enjoy it, even if it’s shit. the culture war swings back and forth and you nunazi fucks half heartedly pretend the weirdest and newest CoNsErVaTiVe movie is the greatest thing since meth

>>215560939
>and it obviously works
Except it doesn't, especially since all the TV shows I mentioned previously have flopped massively.
>and now you’ve confused idiot normies who confuse the products they consume with actual political ideology
Yeah of course, the only leftists on earth are the intellectuals with a PhD on the Odyssey. The mouthbreathers on plebbit that repeat all the prog idpol are just normies. Obviously. Duh.

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>>215560939
>how many fucking black little mermaids and black elf threads have I fucking seen on /tv/
You should get a job in marketing. Once your resume gets out you'll have tons of offers!

>>215560981
you’re right, they eventually flopped. but the first week ratings for discovery and rings of power were actually quite high. it was everyone, liberals and conservative, actually giving it a try and finding out their mediocre before stopping. the hypothetical doctoral thesis man would’ve watched the first couple episodes of discovery then realized, oh this is shit. there is actually a reason discovery was most watched premier on netflix, even after stranger things, before netflix stopped carrying the show entirely

but they do still have tng. it is still in the top ten most watched shows. these are the real liberals, and maybe even conservatives. Also, I don’t know what we’re arguing anymore. you seemed angry that I am correctly pointing out paramount has actively tried to make you angry. it’s just a lot of angry on top of angry

Kind of. It’s supposed to be a semi nudist (think starship troopers) quasi militarist, socialist utopia in which all material needs and issues have been solved. Rightists like the nudist and militarist shit while leftcucks obsess over the vague commie shit that is never properly defined. Ironically enough Lower Decks (a Biden era leftist project) handled this dichotomy the best.

>>215561033
>these are the real liberals
I know you think this but it's not less of a fallacy the more you repeat it.
>Also, I don’t know what we’re arguing anymore.
I believe you. lol

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>>215559993
>Star Trek
>based on being truthful
>leftwing
Be honest dude, you don't believe your drivel yourself, right? Libshits lie so fucking much I wouldn't even trust them to tell me the right time.

>>215561083
It’s leftist, not liberal. It’s basically a world in which free love and the USSR won. Liberals all died during the eugenics wars they started

>>215561083
Solid gold. Saved, based and thank you.

>>215561052
real life liberals both made and watched tng. presumably, many of these people still exist. made during the clinton administration, actually, who was a democrat, and ended his two terms with a budgetary surplus. literally the only time in history an outgoing president did so. whereas the orange man added two trillion in under a year, the fastest debt accumulation in american history

I feel you’re an angry man desperately finding reasons to be mad at LiBeRaLs but you actually cant find a specific reason. like an algorithm failing to find the appropriate data to resolve a foregone equation

>>215561083
Was legit disappointed when I learned this was fake

>>215561107
You're genuinely a very low IQ and emotional person and you're projecting your emotions onto me. You're also seething about Trump for no reason even though I never brought him up.

I already told you that I believe Roddenberry was a leftie.

>Fantasy about humanity post scarcity and post human conflicts
>Conservative
lmao, what a retard

>>215561158
I understand what you’re saying but if you actually read my posts in this thread, I have conveyed absolutely no emotion. seriously. not a single adjective or descriptive term for my emotional state. nor have I insulted you. I have plainly and entertainingly conversed and articulated with you star trek. You are truly an angry man, and that’s okay. I’m sure you have a lot to be angry about in life. we all do, fren. but you are angry, and that is self evident with your insult. I accept your insult, anon, and love you as I would any human being in pain

>>215561107
>and ended his two terms with a budgetary surplus.
presidents dont set budgets, newt gingrich made that happen
but take more credit for stuff democrats didn't do
al gore created the internet as well, right?

>>215561195
>nor have I insulted you
Oh? This wasn't you, then?
>you nunazi fucks

>>215561083
>based on being truthful
When the fuck did I say that?
>Libshits lie so fucking much
Point me to where in my post I called them honest. I'll wait.

>>215561195
>how many fucking black little mermaids and black elf threads have I fucking seen on /tv/, alone? let alone the rest of the fucking internet. why is it so difficult for modern citizens to correctly deduce the motivation of the media perpetually played in front of their eyeballs? and now you’ve confused idiot normies who confuse the products they consume with actual political ideology. normies consuuuume. always have always will. they will always find reasons to enjoy it, even if it’s shit. the culture war swings back and forth and you nunazi fucks half heartedly pretend the weirdest and newest CoNsErVaTiVe movie is the greatest thing since meth
>I have conveyed absolutely no emotion. seriously. not a single adjective or descriptive term for my emotional state. nor have I insulted you. I have plainly and entertainingly conversed and articulated with you star trek

>>215561199
no canadians actually created the internet, fun fact

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>>215561144
But it isn't. Voy 7x13

Did a speed dating event tonight and was asked if I would rather live in the Star Wars or Star Trek universe. Every time I said Star Trek the women would immediately dismiss me as a chud.

>>215561231
this guy got it wrong because nowhere do I describe my emotional state and instead articulate the inundation of angry engagement on the internet

>>215561226
this guy got it right because I am clearly exasperated with said nunazi fucks

fair. fair. still love you though anon

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There's an entire TOS episode about how hippies are cringe and gay.

Yes, OG Trek was Republican.

>>215561255
Fun fact anon, my quote which you said was right was included in his. You can't even read properly lol.

>>215561257
It was anti racist and anti sexist (to a degree.) Otherwise yeah it was pretty traditional.

>>215561257
You can't believe in linear history and be right-wing. At best, Old Trek was left-wing, just by 60s standards.

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>>215559535
Trek was always Anti-Racist, you green-blooded hobgoblin.

>>215561273
then you should’ve done what the other guy did and include just that. simple as

>>215559535
Maybe some sort of nationalism... support for the nation... combined with socialism... support for the people?

>>215560213
In DS9 we learn that there are full Vulcan Federation ships. I just assume that mixing difference races with different needs for gravity and atmosphere causes too many problems. One or two crewmembers are fine, but a full on mixture would screw up environmentals.

>>215561277
You have no idea what you're talking about. There's another entire episode about how the Vietnam War is a good thing.

TOS was Nixon conservatism.

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>>215560877
That was Ice Pirates

The main problem is that contemporary writers can’t write storylines with nuance since that might mean that audiences will take the “wrong”side of a given issue. The racism episode of OG trek is a great example of this. If today’s writers were in charge on of the races would be essentially a stand in for le oppressed black people while the other would be privileged whites somehow .

Holy shit this is making leftshits mad lol. It’s always funny to think that the best example of communism ever put to film (TNG) was also a great example of a militaristic dictatorship that might as well be fascist (because it basically was.)

>>215561283
Star Trek is ultra racist. Vulcans are logical. Klingons are violent. Romulans are devious. Orions are pirates. Etc.

>>215561034
I always liked the personal excellence thing where everybody in the federation is this super disciplined renaissance man that can fight, fuck, play a musical instrument, and discover a subatomic particle. It's part of why the unprofessional office comedy stuff in nutrek is so irritating.

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>>215561229
>you need to be a liar to be a libshit
Thanks bro, don#t worry, we know that you don't understand what you just said.

>>215561366
Maybe back in the 60s. Things have been a lot more nunaced than that since the 90s.

>>215559535
>Is Star Trek really conservative?
It's literally the exact opposite, Trumptards are just spinning out about everything in their culture war flameout.

>>215559535
Is the overton window so hard to grasp? It was far-left 30 years ago, which makes it "far-right" by today's standards. Do not tell me you think this could be made after 2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BBOWsWODX4

>>215561366
I'm well aware. If Blacks hadn't been taken out of Africa, Pakleds would be our metaphor for the indigenous tribes of the Subsaharan region

>>215560459
>if Star Trek is so leftist where are the government workers constantly trying to manipulate society into something else?
Both right and left-wing governments have done this. Which is predicated on why. Trek believes in linear history, therefore left-wing. Done. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200. It is a setting where people got free gibs and those gibs (somehow) didn't turn them into lazy pieces of shit but into disciplined intellectuals who's idea of fun is doing calculus. Would you consider a free range parent more likely to be left-wing or right-wing? Probably right-wing. Even if they are otherwise right-wing, free range parenting is a left-wing parenting style. Would you consider a strict parent left-wing or right-wing? Same logic; even if left-wing, they are right-wing in this respect and more likely to hold right-wing positions based on their choice to be strict.

Now apply that to sociology. I give infinite free gibs to everyone to do whatever they want. Will…
1. the overwhelming majority use these resources to become the best they can be?
2. the notable majority use these resources to become the best they can be?
3. an insignificant majority, minority, or a net difference of 0 people use these resources to become the best they can be?
4. the notable majority turn into coomers and degenerates and spend all these resources to support them as they lazy around in their goon cave?
5. the overwhelming majority turn into coomers and degenerates and spend all these resources to support them as they lazy around in their goon cave?

1. Far left
2. Center left
3. Moderate
4. Center right
5. Far right

Trek is firmly in camp 1, therefore Trek is far left. A Trek that didn't pick option 1 wouldn't be recognizable as Star Trek.

The only good thing about old trek was that it was super horny and sexist. Otherwise it was woke as fuck

>>215561295
I did, which is why I told you that you said my post was right.

>>215561397
They aren't. Modern leftists seethe about racial traits in DnD.

>>215561447
OG trek has small businesses still in operation on earth and on space stations. It was still capitalist

>>215561447
my quibble with this is that I think a vision of personal excellence is inherently anti-left. They naturally want to disempower individuals, like being afraid of guns and cars and loving dense living. They're not going to want a vision of the future where people can be trusted with their own home nuclear reactor and go off to a different planet to live on their own and do things without being watched because it's a culture without weakness.

>>215561512
So you don't actually believe those traits in Star Trek are racist. You're just bitching about it so you can make a bad faith argument lol

>>215561512
No we just remove the term “race” because we didn’t want to keep breeding chuds. The goal is to make it harder for you to brainwash innocent little suburban incels like you did the 2010. So far it’s worked wonderfully since the average age of you freaks keeps going up. Also, species is a far more appropriate term anyways.

>>215561533
Explaining behavioral traits by calling upon nature instead of nurture is not leftist. Leftists seethe at that when it comes to everything. Hell they even defend pitbulls with the same reasoning.
>>215561552
The newer editions did more than that. Didn't they also remove the inherent evil alignment for dark elves?

>>215560459
Government jobs are EXTREMELY hierarchical.
The difference is, rightwingers view hierarchy as something borderline animalistic.
>I know that guy for 10 seconds, but that guy is the big dog, I follow big dog.

Whereas leftwingers think hierarchy and leadership is something to be earned or received as reward.
>I was a good boy for 5 years, therefore i get to be promoted.

>>215561374
>I like autism and hate normality
We get it. You're a TNGeezer.

>>215560906
this is just part of the mass culture that everyone grew up with. Your presumption that conservatives just exist in a pod somewhere watching Fox News and Red Dawn is your misapprehension.
Also, what constitutes a "conservative" has completely shifted in the past ten years, not to mention the past 50.

>>215561435
Nothing in Star Trek was "far left" in the 1960s. It was moderate Nixonian right.

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>>215561330
>storylines with nuance
Television and Star Trek has never been big on nuance. What you’re describing is you as a child not picking up shit that you easily do as an adult and not understanding it’s YOU who has changed, not writing.

>>215561599
Neither side was objectively good. Did you even watch the episode?

>>215561447
>Trek believes in linear history, therefore left-wing.
What the fuck is "linear history"? Did you learn that in some gay shitlib college class?

>>215559535
Shut up, Paul

>>215561562
Again, you don't believe they're racist traits so why call Star Trek ultra racist? Do you get off making up doublespeak arguments to own the libs?

>>215561531
Because leftists think peace, cooperation, and success are the default. They don't need to be maintained, imposed, or enforced. Conservatism is when you think happiness is predicated on working your ass off to stay happy. Liberalism is when you assume you are just innately happy by default, and everytime you feel sad it's because someone is fucking with you. It's also why leftists are so violent. They are the most depressed. Since, in their mind, life is a paradise by default, their depression must mean the system that bullies them is particularly aggressive.

Leftists do not see a need for personal excellence because they believe everything is already perfect except for the chuds who break their utopia. Rightists know nothing is free, and recifnize they must aspire to personal excellence because life won't give them anything for free.

>>215561604
It's the opposite of the postmodernist approach you're taking to declare the "actual" values in Star Trek. In this scenario YOU are gay shitlib college fag lol

>>215561623
I never said Star Trek is ultra racist and I'm not even the anon you replied to initially. I simply said that things aren't more nuanced nowadays and people seethe at the same things. I then gave you an example of that.

>>215561593
>Your presumption that conservatives just exist in a pod somewhere watching Fox News and Red Dawn is your misapprehension.

I make no such presumptions. I’m talking about how conservatives like something and then have such cope about its politics they should hate that they have to play mental gymnastics about how it’s actually hecking based and red pilled to justify why they like it and trying to rebrand it as always having been conservative. That’s why you have entire websites dedicated to check and argue why popular films and shows are actually conservative in nature and not liberal.

>>215561645
>I-im not THAT anon, I just replied accordingly to your post like I was him h-haha
Fag.

>>215561629
>Leftists do not see a need for personal excellence

Have you performed your personal excellence quota for the day, anon?

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>>215559595
Oh, you mean the series that had a black woman, a russian, and an asian in the main cast, and constantly hamfisted equality and minority's rights in excruciatingly long monologues by Kirk, the only TV series that Martin Luther King Jr approved of his kids to watch, a series where the entire earth is an anti-capitalist paradise?
THAT series?
lmao
Pic related. An entire episode about back/white racism.

>>215561647
Leftists for the past ten years have been very clear that all culture that all of us grew up with from before 2010 was terribly racist, sexist, fascist, and white-man centric.
They were the ones saying that shit, not me.
>but there were black characters!
They were uncle Toms.

>>215561671
It's so based and masculine that you survived such rough times, man. Your ancestors must be proud of you.

>>215561604
Tell me anon, how nuanced was the theme of the story? Black/White, White/Black, what could that mean? I suppose we need an entire college course to dig into this ambiguity and what it means.

>>215560226
delusional. He was born in 1921. There are things that he would not understand or agree with when talking about your modern politics. For example MLK jr wouldn’t be pro homosexuals, trannies, or abortion. Why would people born in the 1920’s think like someone born nearly a century later?

>>215561667
>dude, Uhura (who definitely wasn't just an exotic sexy lady for people to gawp at)
>dude, that one episode that was about racism
You should watch all of TOS some day.

>>215560659
Talk about missing the point entirely

Conservatives only liked the original trek because it was horny and patriarchal. They also liked TNG because it was autistic and generally not as woke as it was supposed to be thanks to Roddenberry’s death (seriously who the fuck would want to live like the crew of the enterprise? No booze, 8 hour shifts , doing boring ass shit while Riker fucks all the hot girls and aliens? Fuck that.)

>>215561695
>I-Is that a freaking sexualization of a black woman????
Funny how you fags turn against sexy women on TV when it's convenient.

>>215561319
You are an absolute moron. A Taste of Armageddon and A Private Little War were blatantly anti-war.

>>215561680
>no argument
By modern standards TOS is outright chud-shit. Uhura essentially gives Abe Lincoln an N word pass. There's a whole episode about a hysterical woman trying to steal Jim's ship.

>>215561605
>What the fuck is "linear history"?
tl;dr: old bad, new good

ts;wm: Jews believe in this idea called Tikkun Olam. That shit is the foreign and alien idea that time is moving in a specific, moral, direction. This direction is toward greater equality, greater social freedom, more globalized, less nationalistic, all in service of reunifying humanity back into Adam Kadmon. This is the backbone of all progressivism. The majority of civilizations before the jews introduced this idea thought time went in cycles, and there were both good times and bad. Tikkun Olam had dozens of offspring ideaologies. The most famous of these is Marxism, but the most influential today is Whig history. Trek lives and breathes Whig history, therefore it is leftwing. Roddenbury would be cancelled for being a sexpest today, but it wouldn't matter; his odeas are predicated on the idea that history is something in the past that man can 'beat', therefore he was a libcuck.

>>215561671
Plenty of old media ages poorly because it shows all kinds of biases and discriminatory views that no longer are considered entirely acceptable. That’s how media works, it depicts attitudes from the era it was created in and as we progress forward as a society a lot of it ends up being sexist, racist, bigoted, etc. from modern perspective. That doesn’t change the more progressive media from being progressive for its time. Or that you can’t enjoy them. But you clearly can’t grasp that given how mad you get about it

>>215561687
Both sides were fucking stupid. That was the point. Were it made today one would be le oppressed and objectively in the right. That’s all I meant. They were willing to give whites the benefit of the doubt in their hamfisted racism metaphor back then.

>>215561715
You're doing that thing again where you argue against something you clearly support in every other context. Who gives a shit if the show sexualized the women? Of course it did, it's the fucking 60s. It doesn't mean it was made for racists or misogynists.

>>215561711
I'm neither for or against it. I'm just saying a lot of this narrative around TOS being crazy progressive and ahead of it's time simply for having black people in it is a fiction.
James Bond movies were doing that stuff from the very beginning. There's an episode of the Twilight Zone from the 50's that has a majority black cast. Star Trek blows it's own trumpet too much.

>>215561716
This is such cope. Jews and all subsequent abrahamic religions essentially invented linear time. Most pagan cultures believed that time was somehow cyclical (in before muh ragnarok that was like a Christfag invention.)

>>215561748
>honestly discussing a subject means you support a particular side.
No, not really. I don't strongly identify as a conservative.

>>215561662
Yup, and I didn't back when I was a registered Democrat. Merely being leftwing sucked any motivation out of me.

>>215561754
It was more progressive than most shows at the time. That doesn't mean it had people talking about reparations or colorism, but anti-war and anti-racist rhetorics were present. You can play the hypocrisy game all you like, it won't change what the show actually was. Too bad for you.

>>215561769
>I'm like a centrist or something bruh I just listen to what makes sense!!!
So conservative. Thanks for the concession.

Idk man Star Trek is some faggot nerd shit

I like the original series because men had sex. Meanwhile in the commie TNG most men were basically sexless automatons. Even the android got laid more than the actual bio men (at least while Roddenberry was still alive)

>>215561763
>"You fucking idiot! Don't you know literally everything you said is correct?"
I'm glad we agree? Did you read my post? Where is this imaginary person you see to be arguing with?

>>215561716
Not everything is about the Jews. Star Trek isn't some kind of Jewish propaganda. It's just a TV show.

>>215561798
Jews aren’t special. That’s all I am saying. Also they are correct. It’s why Christianity (the true religion and the source of socialism) has the same perspective

>>215561776
>anti-war
There's an entire episode about how the Vietnam War is necessary. "A Private Little War." It expressly endorses Vietnam and Korea. "The brush wars."

>>215561776
I think Star Trek fans suck Star Trek's dick over how supposedly forward thinking it was, because it's easier than admitting they like the hokey sci-fi stuff.
Uhura was there to be sexy and not really do much. Chekhov was a comic relief character with a funny accent.

>>215561789
I'm not a centrist. I'm a leftist, if anything.

>>215561734
It was making a point about racism being stupid.

TNG ruined Star Trek honestly. It went from a tolerable progressive future based solely on competency to a full of commie military dictatorship with AA and other bullshit.

>>215561793
Riker was fucking all the time, and even Picard did it a few times. only Jordi is an incel.

>>215561793
You are a retard who has never watched TNG. There is a shitton of sex and romance.

>>215559535
>conservative women dont exist

>>215561826
>Jews aren’t special. That’s all I am saying.
You literally just repeated my arguement about pre-christian cultures and how the jews introduced faggot progressive ideas about how history worked that upended them.
>What about the christians?
I already mentioned the jews. Why would I distinguish between specific types of jew?
>>215561812
>Not everything is about the Jews.
TOP KEK
>Star Trek isn't some kind of Jewish propaganda.
Kekius Maximus
It's Roddenbury's coomer fantasies taken and reworked solely to be jewish propaganda. Literally everything that preaches linear history is preaching jewish dogma. Most western sociopolitical theory is repackaged kikeshit.

>>215561932
Liberal women fuck and marry conservative men and vice versa. Women don’t give a shit about politics. They also hate sci fi.

>>215561754
>I'm just saying a lot of this narrative around TOS being crazy progressive and ahead of it's time simply for having black people in it is a fiction.

But it’s true. You’re talking about an era where it was considered controversial for Kirk to just kiss a black woman on screen. Black people didn’t get to appear in television shows as competent professional people because of the racist attitudes of the time. Films did tons of censorship to limit what black characters could do and say, even going as far as erase depictions of interracial relationships. Uhura just being there every week on TV was considered a major win in black people breaking barriers, that’s why MLK talked Nichols to stay on the show.

>>215561944
Yet trannies love scifi. Anyone want to explain that to me?
Actually, on that topic, why are there so many trannies into coding, speedrunning, and modding? How many biological women do any of these things? Trannies gravitate to them though. Mind explaining that one? Why are trannies porn addicted coomers? Most femcoomers read books for that shit. Women evolved to be 'taken' and thus need the additional context to get off, which is why they coom to books. Men evolved to take, the mere sight of tits can get them turned on.

If trannies were women, they'd watch celebrity gossip and shitty romance shoes all day. They wouldn't code, mod, or speedrun shit. And they certainly wouldn't flood the porn scene, they'd be reading shitty romance books about fucking bears or whatever femoids shlick it to these days. Any trannies wanna explain this discrepancy to me, cause you fuckers don't seem very woman-like to me.

I'm left wing, not socially conservative but more conservative in the sense that I don't want anything to do with certain kinds of things
I loved Star Trek
I like how everyone acts in a very human, professional and dignified way
That's something that can only happen when people are no longer concerned about having enough food to survive and having a roof over their head

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>>215561812
>Not everything is about the Jews.
>Star Trek isn't some kind of Jewish propaganda.

I don't know any Star Trek fans

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>>215559993
>He didn't intend it, but Star Wars is and has always been a story about overthrowing a godless mechanical empire to restore the rightful religion and the magic ubermensch to their rightful position of power.

>yeah it's not about oppressed people and peacekeepers of the galaxy overthrowing evil oppressive people, what's important is that god and the ubermensch get back into power.

>yeah it's a "godless mechanical empire," it's not ruled by two magic religious guys at all

>>215561985
i think there's a narrative that it was controversial, but basically everyone was okay with it, otherwise it wouldn't have been aired.

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>>215561812
>Not everything is about the Jews.
>Star Trek isn't some kind of Jewish propaganda.

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>>215559535
Star Trek is Communist, but like Soviet Communist.
Right wingers can brush away the Communist aspects of it because it exists in space in the future. But Right wingers also appreciate values such as hard discipline, teamwork, stoicism, hard civicism, athleticism, heirarchy and intellectualism that Trek/Communism pushes.

>>215562018
No one is concerned with having food or a roof over their heads on a military vessel either, because the military provides it.

>>215562075
This is where the thread should end. Also nu trek writers should read this shit

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>>215562066
It's about the redemption of the human soul, actually. The whole overarching narrative is that Vader did terrible things, but even his soul was saved in the end because he accepted "the light side" (Jesus).

>>215562106
Anakin killed kids dude. He also never expressed remorse for it. He just didn’t want to kill his own kid.

>>215560855
>he knocks someone out by pinching them instead of by punching them. They still get knocked out.
Nerve pinch leaves no lasting damage compared to a punch

>>215562130
It's implicit.
It was actually a really good piece of subtle storytelling that Lucas did, that I guess people were too dense to pick up on.
Throughout the whole series Palpatine is whispering in his ear telling him the dark side has the answers to everything, and right when he's about to kill his son he wakes up and realises the whole thing has been bullshit.

>>215561995
Because they're dudes still.
Male's literally view the world differently from women and think far more analytically, women think almost entirely socially. Only way Chicks ever really "think" in a male fashion is when they autistic.
This means the average mtf troon still has his male brain pattern of thinking, along with a lifetime of male socialization.
I've brought this up numerous times, every time i'm in my GW store, I see male trans, yet i've been playing the game since 1996 and honestly the amount of female players ive seen come into that store in almost 30 years you could count on my fingers. Why is it that literally seems like about 30-50% of the audience for Warhammer, a scifi wargaming franchise, are male trans who think they are women? Oh right, because trans is autism based body dysphoria that has turned into "Gender dysphoria"/AGP through social contagion and anime/moe sol/porn addiction.
I worked in the music industry for a label for a very long time and it's basically considered fact in the industry women listen to music for the social aspect, not really to analyse music itself, there is a saying "Play to the women" which really means "make a poppy, simple melodic, social, melodramatic track" that women can go "YAAAASS I LOVE THIS SOONG" and run onto the dancefloor with, with their friends. No saying like this for guys, because guys will approach complex music with analytical thinking, women 90% of the time won't. Again showing how men and women thinking differs. It's also pretty much considered fact in the industry the reason mainstream music has gone to shit in terms of quality is because women, low IQ blacks and teens who want to be low IQ blacks are the primary consumers now.

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>>215562177
Dubs of basedness

>>215562070
It was just one year after the supreme court said banning interracial marriages was unconstitutional. Interracial relationships, let alone kissing in television wasn’t common practice. There was a clear reason why executives at the time were concerned about it.

>>215562234
Not concerned enough to stop it.
If it was even an F word, they would have stopped it. Hence profanity was more of a taboo to people at the time than anything Star Trek did.

>>215561654
>I just replied accordingly
You might want to reread my reply. I never insinuated that I believe what you claimed I do.

anyone that genuinely thinks og star trek was conservative is literally mentally retarded.

Trek at it's core is egalitarian. But because ToS "pushed the boundaries" in the 60's (interracial kiss, harmony among different nationalities/races/sexes, etc), modern writers have taken that as a signal for taking whatever is considered liberal at the time and taking that to the extreme even if it's extreme already.
That's why in Nu-Trek, white males have been all but written out, women must outnumber men, "fat acceptance" is a thing even though obesity wouldn't exist in such a future, nitpicking about things like mansplaining, pushing excessive faggotry, wealth disparity exists for some reason (that scene in Picard where he gets scolded for his family winery) etc.

>>215562313
At this point in time, it's more fundamentally conservative than it isn't.
Left wingers today want anyone but Captain Kirk as their representative.

>>215562248
That’s why it’s considered a milestone moment, dipshit. They did something progressive that was considered potentially highly controversial and they still went on and did it. That’s pushing the envelope rather than being conservative and just going “we can’t do something like that because it just isn’t normal to do”

>>215559629
True. It's just tits and ass disguised as a sci fi program.

>>215562353
So the doors were left open, and everyone accepted what they did, but it was "radical" because everyone said it was?
It might have been radical if they were all fired for it. Then I would respect it.

Starfleet is a conservative organization albeit

>>215562403
I guess you should respect Jimmy Kimmel then

>>215562331
no it's not

>>215562403
>Unless you get fired it doesn’t count

That’s not how that works, buddy

>>215559535
At its core Star Trek is just Horatio Hornblower in space. It's not about preaching about society its about a guy living out his Royal Navy larp fantasies but set in space. Starfleet is just the Royal Navy without things like flogging.

>>215562477
moreso than Star Trek.

>>215562490
You can't just say "no it's not", when I'm obviously right.
It's a relic of bigoted ass 20th century America. It's basically Mein Kampf, as far as leftists are concerned.

>>215562506
So what cost was paid for this radical act? A loyal fanbase and a lifelong career for all of the actors involved?
It was not that edgy. Edgy shit gets people talked about in hushed terms.

>>215562157
Friendly reminder that God told Abraham to kill his own son

>>215559993
you just know this poster maintains a star trek themed twitter account

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>>215559993
I like what you're saying here

star trek has been kinda jewish from the start. But TNG had this 90s Clinton "everything is gonna be great forever because smart rational people prevail diplomacy and rationality always works" way about it. It was optimistically progressive.
Frankly, the left has run far far away from this attitude. I wouldve considered TNG leftwing back in '04 or '08. But now?
Not enough blacks
White male straight captain
military meritocracy
The holodeck coomer degen is portrayed as a bad thing
alien races have innate ethnic weakness flaws
borg compliance is seen as bad
a modern leftist would struggle with all of this.

I think ever since constitutionalists/ enlightenment Americans got run out of the Left, the Right has more people who actually like old Trek stuff. Only thing a leftist would like about TNG now is all-knowing whoopi Goldburg and "its post-scarcity so its communist and the ferrengi are capitalists and BAD"

nutrek though? its woke slop through and through.

>>215559993
The urge to claim it for a political orientation is banal, Esp when the world is more complex than a horse race, and the left moved away from the center that many ex-libs are now considered rightwing.

>>215559535
I always thought that it was Libertarian at its core, not really right or left. I mean you serve aboard a ship, you get to do whatever you want in your free time. You can even have your religion as long as you aren't a preaching faggot about it or it prevents you from doing your duties. And the people within the Federation basically get to do whatever they want. The currency is basically excellence but nothing is preventing you from being a weirdo in a shed somewhere, like Noonian Soong.

>>215562578
You’re a pretty stupid person

Conservatives never had any values proven by their loyalty to a senile authoritarians tweets.